1850: Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC-OPEN]

[Axis Asteroid]

It could come up earlier, but I do believe that it will much more difficult for nations to come to an agreement in regards to sharing colonies when compared to real life, and you also have the Vandals who would hate such a conference xD

Why let some pesky savage vandals get in the way of some colonization

Better keep the conference inland.

Nothing would trigger Carthage more lol. That would be enough to have the might of the entire Vandal navy descend on the host country to light the coastline aflame in an outright declaration of war.

[Tracian Empire]

Why let some pesky savage vandals get in the way of some colonization

Better keep the conference inland.

Nothing would trigger Carthage more lol. That would be enough to have the might of entire Vandal navy descend on the host country and light the coastline aflame in an outright declaration of war.

Remember, the moment in which the Vandals take most of their navy out from the Mediterranean is the moment when Carthage will burn

[Intermountain States]

Oh damn, I fogot to claim Liberia

[Sveya]

Better keep the conference inland.

Nothing would trigger Carthage more lol. That would be enough to have the might of entire Vandal navy descend on the host country and light the coastline aflame in an outright declaration of war.

Remember, the moment in which the Vandals take most of their navy out from the Mediterranean is the moment when Carthage will burn

Let's host this somewhere in Northern Europe then

[Axis Asteroid]

Better keep the conference inland.

Nothing would trigger Carthage more lol. That would be enough to have the might of entire Vandal navy descend on the host country and light the coastline aflame in an outright declaration of war.

Remember, the moment in which the Vandals take most of their navy out from the Mediterranean is the moment when Carthage will burn

A reserve fleet would probably be kept within the capital's harbors for defense, while the rest sally forth. I based Carthage along the lines of how the city developed in Hannibal's Children by John Maddox Roberts (historical fiction, average book at best lol) with its massive walls and gaping harbors, not unlike the Golden Gate and the Theodosian in Constantinople.

The Shophet will probably bet on those walls and the guns that straddle its length to last until the navy finished their business and returned home. Carthage would not fall in a day after all, much less even after a lengthy siege even.

Of course, this is all just a hypothetical scenario for now.

[Tracian Empire]

Remember, the moment in which the Vandals take most of their navy out from the Mediterranean is the moment when Carthage will burn

A reserve fleet would probably be kept within the capital's harbors for defense, while the rest sally forth. I based Carthage along the lines of how the city developed in Hannibal's Children by John Maddox Roberts (historical fiction, average book at best lol) with its massive walls and gaping harbors, not unlike the Golden Gate and the Theodosian in Constantinople.

The Shophet will probably bet on those walls and the guns that straddle its length to last until the navy finished their business and returned home. Carthage would not fall in a day after all, much less even after a lengthy siege even.

Of course, this is all just a hypothetical scenario for now.

Well, the Romans would be more than alright with simply throwing some Greek fire inside your walls and pillaging all the coast on their way back

[The Traansval]

Time to modernize the Dutch Navy then. Scandi, can i get some help here brotha.

Remember, the moment in which the Vandals take most of their navy out from the Mediterranean is the moment when Carthage will burn

Let's host this somewhere in Northern Europe then

This is basically me plan for the Dutch Colonial African territory by the 20th century

[Sveya]

Time to modernize the Dutch Navy then. Scandi, can i get some help here brotha.

Let's host this somewhere in Northern Europe then

This is basically me plan for the Dutch Colonial African territory by the 20th century

That doesn't sit with Ireland too well. You're kinda cutting in on our space there, buddy.

[Axis Asteroid]

A reserve fleet would probably be kept within the capital's harbors for defense, while the rest sally forth. I based Carthage along the lines of how the city developed in Hannibal's Children by John Maddox Roberts (historical fiction, average book at best lol) with its massive walls and gaping harbors, not unlike the Golden Gate and the Theodosian in Constantinople.

The Shophet will probably bet on those walls and the guns that straddle its length to last until the navy finished their business and returned home. Carthage would not fall in a day after all, much less even after a lengthy siege even.

Of course, this is all just a hypothetical scenario for now.

Well, the Romans would be more than alright with simply throwing some Greek fire inside your walls and pillaging all the coast on their way back

Couldn't help but remember this piece of history when I read that:

"When King Philip II of Macedon threatened Sparta, he declared. 'If I win this war, you will be slaves forever.'

The Spartan’s sent back a single word in reply: 'if'.

Afterwards, Philip sent the decidedly more verbose threat, 'If once I enter into your territories, I will destroy ye all, never to rise again.'

Again, the Spartan’s recorded reply was simply the word 'If.'"

The Vandals would reply with the same.

[The Traansval]

Time to modernize the Dutch Navy then. Scandi, can i get some help here brotha.


This is basically me plan for the Dutch Colonial African territory by the 20th century

That doesn't sit with Ireland too well. You're kinda cutting in on our space there, buddy.

Well thats what the Conference is for...

Anyway, I at the very least want the Congo Basin along with South Africa.

[Axis Asteroid]

Time to modernize the Dutch Navy then. Scandi, can i get some help here brotha.


This is basically me plan for the Dutch Colonial African territory by the 20th century

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That doesn't sit with Ireland too well. You're kinda cutting in on our space there, buddy.

You guys sound like the Optimates rn lol.

Cooking rabbits

[The Brand New Salvatagard Republic]

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[Togeria]

Tag, I'm not going to post an app. I just wanna follow the RP and read up on lore and such.

[Heidi Girl of the Alps]

Better keep the conference inland.

Nothing would trigger Carthage more lol. That would be enough to have the might of entire Vandal navy descend on the host country and light the coastline aflame in an outright declaration of war.

Remember, the moment in which the Vandals take most of their navy out from the Mediterranean is the moment when Carthage will burn

Even if they tried, there would be a lot of Vandals at the bottom of the ocean because his hubris caused him to forget that Iberia controls gilbratar (rock). The Vandals can certainly leave, butnnot without a significant amount of ships and sailors at the bottom of the straits.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Scandinavia would actually be interested in dividing Africa into as many small chunks as colonially possible. It would back the Asian powers and the countries with a lesser presence at sea, should they pursue an African colony.

Rome, Scandinavia, Iberia, and the Netherlands are already there. If we can establish Russia, Korea, the Teuton-Livonians, the United States, and Japan as African colonial powers with at least small slices of the East African coast then the diplomatic situation for the Vandals become much more challenging.

The diplomatic situation becoming impossible for the Vandals is worth more to Scandinavia than getting more of Africa by kicking potential colonial powers off the table.

Sorry chap.

But with Romans starting to spread orthodoxy in Africa, I have to hurry up and develop the catholic fortress of South America.

Incan Crusades when?

[Heidi Girl of the Alps]

That doesn't sit with Ireland too well. You're kinda cutting in on our space there, buddy.

Well thats what the Conference is for...

Anyway, I at the very least want the Congo Basin along with South Africa.

Ah your really killing my mojo man. The Pink Map is real..

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Add Namibia, Botswana, and rest of Angola and you've got our ambitions.

[Novacom]

Scandinavia would actually be interested in dividing Africa into as many small chunks as colonially possible. It would back the Asian powers and the countries with a lesser presence at sea, should they pursue an African colony.

Rome, Scandinavia, Iberia, and the Netherlands are already there. If we can establish Russia, Korea, the Teuton-Livonians, the United States, and Japan as African colonial powers with at least small slices of the East African coast then the diplomatic situation for the Vandals become much more challenging.

The diplomatic situation becoming impossible for the Vandals is worth more to Scandinavia than getting more of Africa by kicking potential colonial powers off the table.

Sorry chap.

But with Romans starting to spread orthodoxy in Africa, I have to hurry up and develop the catholic fortress of South America.

Incan Crusades when?

Catholic Fortress in where? Crusades? I think someone is better off staying on the other side of the pond, you might get hurt trying to play with the grown ups in the big leagues...

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Sorry chap.

But with Romans starting to spread orthodoxy in Africa, I have to hurry up and develop the catholic fortress of South America.

Incan Crusades when?

Catholic Fortress in where? Crusades? I think someone is better off staying on the other side of the pond, you might get hurt trying to play with the grown ups in the big leagues...

You worry about the other grown ups to your north before you start bullying the little kids on the playground.

[Axis Asteroid]

Even if they tried, there would be a lot of Vandals at the bottom of the ocean because his hubris caused him to forget that Iberia controls gilbratar (rock). The Vandals can certainly leave, butnnot without a significant amount of ships and sailors at the bottom of the straits.

You do realize the entrance to the Mediterranean is eight miles wide right? No field gun or siege artillery has that effective range by 1850.

Also, the Vandals control the other half of the Pillars of Heracles that serve as the choke point. If I recall, Iberia and Carthage were not at war at the moment, so shooting at any passing Vandal ships would certainly lead to that.

Might I remind you in case you missed Trace's post, the discussion around the Vandal navy has been decided before the reboot of this RP even began in the forum of the previous iteration.

Well, considering the unrealistic level to which the Vandal Navy has decided to dominate throughout the region, it would make sense then for very stiff resistance against them to form.

I can assure you that the strength of the Vandal Navy is perfectly realistic, especially considering the historical basis it was built on. The OP board will of course, be careful over the IC to ensure that all conflicts, whether naval or terrestrial will be as balanced and possible, but we consider that the situation surrounding the Vandals is balanced, if we take into account all the advantages and disadvantages of their position.

Don't be so butthurt because I corrected you earlier with your population debacle and your misinterpretation surrounding the pirate situation. The childish way you reacted with the historical revisionism regarding the Huns and the Black Death and right now show that you took that entire thing way too personally.

[Sveya]

Sorry chap.

But with Romans starting to spread orthodoxy in Africa, I have to hurry up and develop the catholic fortress of South America.

Incan Crusades when?

Catholic Fortress in where? Crusades? I think someone is better off staying on the other side of the pond, you might get hurt trying to play with the grown ups in the big leagues...

In Brazil by the time I'm done with it. If my Teutonic Catholic brethren wish to aid the holy mission then they are more than welcome

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Catholic Fortress in where? Crusades? I think someone is better off staying on the other side of the pond, you might get hurt trying to play with the grown ups in the big leagues...

In Brazil by the time I'm done with it. If my Teutonic Catholic brethren wish to aid the holy mission then they are more than welcome

I WANT A MASSIVE STATUE OF JESUS ERECTED THERE!!!!!!!

[Sveya]

Time to modernize the Dutch Navy then. Scandi, can i get some help here brotha.


This is basically me plan for the Dutch Colonial African territory by the 20th century

(Image)

That doesn't sit with Ireland too well. You're kinda cutting in on our space there, buddy.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

My WLAN died. No post from me today.

[The Traansval]

I mean, it is kind of odd seeing Vandal Carthage with a navy to match that of Europeans...

[The Traansval]

That doesn't sit with Ireland too well. You're kinda cutting in on our space there, buddy.

I'm open to meeting you have Gabons, but you the Land of the modern day DRC and Republic of the Congo I really want...