Tales of Two Horizons OLD OOC

[Senkaku]

Wu should have about 35 million homeland, Qi about 20 million, inquire if you want the method (not going to the effort if nobody cares tho)

Actually I'm quite curious, that seems even lower than I'd've expected

[Darksworth]

Aye, so did Spain in our timeline. But we don't see Americans donning Spanish influence now too much do they? I'm thinking maybe Britain nicked the Spanish when the Spanish Empire was in decline.

The Iberian Union (Portugal led Union of Western part of Iberia) was the primary colonizer of the state you are looking at. That would be the major culture base of the area, with influence possibly from Wu in the far West on your demographics and Dutch in the North from Batavia. Timeline and role is similar though to rl, as far as an apt comparison to the united states is concerned.

Got you fam'

Also, kindly extend my reservation please? I'm nearly done with the American Federal Commonwealth App and I just need a few more hours!

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

The Iberian Union (Portugal led Union of Western part of Iberia) was the primary colonizer of the state you are looking at. That would be the major culture base of the area, with influence possibly from Wu in the far West on your demographics and Dutch in the North from Batavia. Timeline and role is similar though to rl, as far as an apt comparison to the united states is concerned.

Got you fam'

Also, kindly extend my reservation please? I'm nearly done with the American Federal Commonwealth App and I just need a few more hours!

Most certainly

[Emilio Aguinaldo]

Generic Info
Nation Name: Saxony, Kingdom of Saxony, Saxon, Saxons "Sachsen, Königreich Sachsen, ]Sachsen, ]Sachsen")
Symbols: Saxon Flag
Coat of Arms
Anthem
Location: 8
Population: 6 million
Capital City: Potsdam

Government Info
Government Type: Saxon Constitutionalism.
Brief Explanation of Government: A far cry from the governments of Paris and Westminster, it still shares a few commonalities with them. Like their "parliaments" the Saxon Government has a House of Lords and a House of Commons, an Upper and Lower house if you will. The glaring difference would be that the King of Saxony, Wilhelm Frederick, is the head of the Parliament meaning that the Head of the Government would always be in the hands of the King. Furthermore, the lower classes, the poor and uneducated lot cannot be trusted in running the government. The Lower House would always serve as a distraction to these lot, we pretend to listen to them as we, the educated and enlightened people, lead the Kingdom towards prosperity.
Ideology: Interventionism, conservatism, Monarchism, Absolutism, Reactionarism
Leader/s: Elector of Saxony, King of Saxony, Wilhelm Frederick von Wettin
Relations
France: Saxony has always eyed the French with suspicion and a hint of hate. Since time immemorium, Germans and French have clashed and after Napoleon, the French should always be kept an eye on.

Commonwealth/Austria: The Austrians and the Poles are good friends, for now especially considering how much the two sides clashed.The Holy alliance is an alliance of necessity, an alliance that aims to break revolutionary fervor under the boots of imperialism.

UK: Good relations ever since the seven years war, but still eyes her with caution. The UK is getting to big for its good, it might set her sights to Saxony.

Bohemia: Though they are adopting a pro-Saxon stance now. Saxony is always weary of its Bohemian neighbour, for it tries to serve many masters as it tries to better its standing in the world. Positive rekations now, but can easily change
Population Info
Brief Description of your people:We are Saxons
Religion:80% of the country are Roman Catholics, 15% are Protestans, 2% are Eastern Orthodox, 3% other.
Ethnicity: Germans
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Germans
Other Cultures: Poles, Askenazi Jews
Military Info
Military Organisation: The Royal Military Academy at Potsdam have long since learned the errors of having a rigid system that refuses to bend even a little bit. As such, each and every officer, of high enough ranking of course, operates with a certain degree of freedom.
Army: 80,000 well armed and well trained men
Saxony has long standing tradition that every home must have at the very least own a weapon of some sort. In the Reneisance this meant that some of the poorer parts of Saxont had spears or halberds to complement the Arquebusiers. However, now every household has a firearm, be it an old matchlock passed down from father to son or a rifle used for hunting game. Every and all small arms owner must come to a muster every few weeks for a drill. This resulted in a swelling of number of the army to 230,000 should the Kingdom need more bodies.
Navy: Saxony never was an ocean going kingdom. Nor never did he focus on it in the entirety of his history, as a result it has a meagre fleet that just makes sure that the Danes dont close the sound on them. With only 30 large ocean going vessels and the rest are merchant-marines.

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: The infrastructure of Saxony needed to be great by necessity, for it is hard to transport troops and artillery quickly to the frontline if the roads that they will travel on are not in pristine condition. This in turn resulted in a highly urbanised Saxony, for its time, with 17% of its population living in cities.
Goals: Survive the century
History:
1618: The elector of Brandenburg dies and due to the Sallic Law, the heir of the electorate was the elector of Saxony.
1629: Saxony enters the 30 years war against the Austrians
Napoleonic wars: Early efforts against Revolutionary France broke the myth of "Saxon invincibility" but Saxony recovered their military prestige later on in the war.
RP Sample: whale oil beef hooked
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[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Also a reminder to everyone, 1848 is a glorious year for a certain sort of thing, specially in Germany and Europa, but it doesn't have to be limited there.

[Rygondria]

I distinctly remember Shandong having around six million people last time around. Can't be bothered to work on app so that will come later

e: also we're still looking for Europeans that want a port in shandong proper

The League is up for it.

[Sharko Federation]

Reservation:
Location: 70.
Nation Name: The Sultanate of Johor
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Application coming soon

[Western Pacific Territories]

Generic Info
Nation Name: Kingdom of Qi (Chinese: 齊 Pinyin: Qí guó)
Symbols: The color most closely associated with the Kingdom of Qi would be blue, which is represented on their flag: A simply blue banner with the 齊 character written in white in the center.
Location: 53
Population: 22,300,000
Capital City: Weicheng

Government Info
Government Type: Absolute monarchy
Brief Explanation of Government: Emperor as sole ruler of the nation makes decisions, head of government and the bureaucracy of Qi (based on classical Confucian bureaucracy) carries out said decisions to the best of their ability. Simplistic in nature.
Ideology: Traditional conservatism/Monarchism/Nationalism
Leader/s:

• Head of State: Yin Shuohuang, the Aizheng Emperor (愛正). Aged 31, Aizheng is a relatively effective ruler, having only ascended to the throne six years ago when his father (the Yuantong Emperor) suffered a stroke and died soon afterwards. The most notable achievements of Aizheng's current reign are his financing of a project aiming to build a railroad across the entirity of Qi which previously had stalled due to lack of funds. Currently his rule has characterized as well by his relatively minor reformations of the military's command apparatus, to the annoyance of the generals he didn't have sacked. This risky move still led to several protests from lower-ranking officers which were put down.
• Head of Government: Song Lingxin. Lingxin, 43 years old is a relatively senior member of the Emperor's court in Weifang. He came from a relatively minor trading family from the town of Yantai and chose to take the civil service exams after being removed from his inheritance by his father, who preferred a brother of his. From there, Lingxin held various posts and thanks to greasing wheels with relatives of the Yuantong Emperor was given a position in the court itself. After a few years, he found himself being considered for the post and was appointed by the new Aizheng Emperor.

Relations: Qi is generally either friendly with or neutral towards most of the Chinese states. With the neighboring Kingdom of Yan, the Qi generally have good relations with and some trade agreements. The states of Northern and Southern Zhou have earned it's relative neutrality however, and the State of Ming as well as Wu are both states Qi has a very strong interest in being/staying friendly with. Yue meanwhile has earned a neutral, though relatively uneasy relationship with Qi. Qian has managed to become the subject of hate from Qi's diplomats, and Qi has a vested interest in stopping Qian's expansion. As for other world powers, Qi is also neutral in general but is friendly towards the USCA, where a sizable Qi minority exists.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The people generally speak the Jinan or Jiaoliao dialects of Mandarin and are Han Chinese, making Qi a generally homogeneous state in terms of demographics. There are a number of various other ethnicities (i.e. Wu, Yue, Ming, Min, etc.) that hold mostly specialized roles in society but do not really have a effect upon the culture of Qi as a whole. Europeans are rare in number but can be sighted in larger cities.
Religion: Confucianism/Taoism/Chinese folk religion with some Mohism.
Ethnicity: Majority Han Chinese. Mentioned in the brief description.
Main/Accepted Culture(s): Han Chinese.
Other Cultures: See Brief Description.

Military Info
Army: The army, which collectively is referred to as the Army of the Blue Banner (Chinese: 蓝旗军 Pinyin: Lan Qi Jun) in reference to the insignia used by the Qi government consists of about 362,000 soldiers who perform various roles such as border defense, civil control, policing and the like. The army all-around is decently equipped with fairly modern weaponry, though at great cost to the Treasury and to the annoyance of some bureaucrats. It, however suffers from extreme corruption and lack of moral quality of the troops. Among the Imperial Court, there is genuine concern that if Qi were to enter a war the majority of the military would simply desert or flee if engaged in combat. This has lead to the Aizheng Emperor considering the recruitment of foreign advisors to reform the military further, although given the military's influence in court it's hard to guess if this would have a effect.
Navy: The navy on the other hand, though smaller than the navies of it's neighbors is rather superior in quality and loyalty thanks to previous emperors taking pains to improve it in a attempt to project it's power. This was especially important because of Qi's colonial history in Central America and closer by in the Andaman Islands (Songbiaxing). In terms of numbers, it consists of about three dozen junks of moderately "average" armament and construction. Quality of it's sailors is overall decent though gunnery skills are rather subpar.

Other Info
Brief Description of your Economy: Qi's economy is primarily based on trade with powers in China and the rest of the world. Qi is a exporter of goods, primarily being fruits and vegetables but rather more surprisingly also items such as wine and deer skins, which often are traded to places such as Jyutdou for things like clothing and fabrics and such.
Goals: expand, assert authority in the region and become a dominant player in the trade market
as well probably do something about the Qian blob assuming Qi becomes big enough
History: The collapse of the Tang Dynasty resulted in the Shandong Peninsula and surrounding territory being occupied by various warlords for the next fifty years, ending when the Song Dynasty re-established control and then collapsed afterwards. The region returned to warlord control until in 1162 the Huihuang Dynasty established itself as a upstart dynasty in the region claimed by Qi as well as the majority of Yan. It lasted until around 1264 when Mongol armies captured the Emperor and, upon his refusal to surrender his titles, was executed. Afterwards the remnants of the Dynasty were killed and the region wasn't conquered by another single rulers for a long period of time after the Yuan Dynasty's collapse a few decades later. By 1406 however, a warlord by the name of Yin Zhong had acquired a large sum of money from looting his enemy's territories and with a ally (whose name would later be expunged from records by Zhong's order) and with this ally conquered the lands originally held by the Huihuang Dynasty. The unnamed ally however attempted to assassinate Yin Zhong and take the throne for himself. The attempt failed, and Zhong responded by going on a campaign of damnatio memoriae against said ally after killing his family. The disgraced ally fled and died in exile.

Shortly after Yin Zhong's death in 1421, a seafarer named Cao Lipei, under employment of Wu discovered the coastline of British Columbia and upon returning to China reported his discoveries. Although he was later executed on a whimsical charge of treason, the Chinese colonization of the Americas began soon afterwards. Qi in particular invested a epic proportion of it's money in sending explorers, and then colonists and soldiers to Costa Rica to push out barbarian tribes. This would continue for the next two hundred years, while in 1639 a Qi fleet conquered the mostly uninhabited Andaman Islands and established it as a naval base. In time it became a relatively strategic location, a suitable place for Qi vessels heading west to resupply as well as a Chinese stronghold in a otherwise Malay region, being named 'Songbiaxing' by the military.

Entering into the 1700s, Qi's Golden Age was mostly at a end as it's colonies in Costa Rica and Panama were taken over by the Spanish, and it's emperors were entering a lifestyle of decadence that previously had only been staved off by Emperors more well-versed in the works on Confucius and such. Taxation was increased as the Xianchun Emperor attempted to finance a increasingly more expensive lifestyle, until ultimately a peasant uprising snowballed into the Chaigouzen Rebellion. In the course of five years of on-and-off fighting, hundreds of thousands perished and the Qi's back was broken after they only just managed to put it down. This forced the Qi emperors, previously uneasy about external interference in national affairs, to allow European merchants and other Chinese ones to trade in the nation's cities.
RP Sample: you know me loser
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[The Assorted Saharan Outposts]

So...we're allowed to do a bit of alternate history, right? How much does that expand to, exactly? Specifically for the minor nations

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

So...we're allowed to do a bit of alternate history, right? How much does that expand to, exactly? Specifically for the minor nations

Like what are you aiming for and where?

[The Assorted Saharan Outposts]

So...we're allowed to do a bit of alternate history, right? How much does that expand to, exactly? Specifically for the minor nations

Like what are you aiming for and where?

Just wanted my nation to have a bit of a jumping pad towards industrialization, y'know? Looking into it or something. Just not sure if small Sikkim can do that very well, though, and not entirely sure how.

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Like what are you aiming for and where?

Just wanted my nation to have a bit of a jumping pad towards industrialization, y'know? Looking into it or something. Just not sure if small Sikkim can do that very well, though, and not entirely sure how.

Your mountain states very likely not, unfortunately. It is a bit too isolated and probably without the resources/ populace. You could try for other states though. Many of the Chinese states could do a little bit of industry at least, as could many small ones in Europe, unless your heart is set on Sikkim.

[The Assorted Saharan Outposts]

Just wanted my nation to have a bit of a jumping pad towards industrialization, y'know? Looking into it or something. Just not sure if small Sikkim can do that very well, though, and not entirely sure how.

Your mountain states very likely not, unfortunately. It is a bit too isolated and probably without the resources/ populace. You could try for other states though. Many of the Chinese states could do a little bit of industry at least, as could many small ones in Europe, unless your heart is set on Sikkim.

I kinda really wanna do it. Don't know why. Maybe because odds of failure is high. Perhaps I could make that a long term goal. Besides that I'm not entirely sure what to do as some short term goal. Sikkim doesn't provide too many opportunities. Perhaps I pull a Switzerland and be neutral the whole time.

[Alleniana]

Why does Qi want a European port?

(I mean, a European holding a port in Qi. I can see perfectly clear why Qi would want to hold a port in Europe...)

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Your mountain states very likely not, unfortunately. It is a bit too isolated and probably without the resources/ populace. You could try for other states though. Many of the Chinese states could do a little bit of industry at least, as could many small ones in Europe, unless your heart is set on Sikkim.

I kinda really wanna do it. Don't know why. Maybe because odds of failure is high. Perhaps I could make that a long term goal. Besides that I'm not entirely sure what to do as some short term goal. Sikkim doesn't provide too many opportunities. Perhaps I pull a Switzerland and be neutral the whole time.

It happens you know. I think the first thing I ever rp'd was the People's Republic of Greece

[The Assorted Saharan Outposts]

Oh man wait I could totally have a revolution at some point.
communist buddhists, huh?

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

Oh man wait I could totally have a revolution at some point.
communist buddhists, huh?

Any case, I am going to see starwars, be back in a bit

*Edit that will be more around 945 est it appears

[Senkaku]

Your mountain states very likely not, unfortunately. It is a bit too isolated and probably without the resources/ populace. You could try for other states though. Many of the Chinese states could do a little bit of industry at least, as could many small ones in Europe, unless your heart is set on Sikkim.

I kinda really wanna do it. Don't know why. Maybe because odds of failure is high. Perhaps I could make that a long term goal. Besides that I'm not entirely sure what to do as some short term goal. Sikkim doesn't provide too many opportunities. Perhaps I pull a Switzerland and be neutral the whole time.

Sikkim is a lil baby- do Dali or something instead, give us an inland China player!

[Rygondria]

Generic Info
Nation Name: The Hanseatic League, Hanse in German.
Symbols: Flag: https://orig00.deviantart.net/def5/f/20 ... 4j0gun.png
COA: http://clipground.com/images/hanseatic- ... part-3.jpg
Location:
Population: 300,000
Colonial Population: I guess about 75,000
Capital City: Lübeck

Government Info
Government Type: League
Brief Explanation of Government: The Hanseastic league is made up of representatives from the member cities of Lubeck, Hamburg, and Bremen along with the varity of guilds and major company's that make up the economic and political landscape of the League. These Representatives together are called The Hansa and elect and Syndic who was to act as the head of the Hansa in both Domestic and international affairs along with approval of the Hansa of course. The Free citites of the league tend to be governed by Burgermister's who in turn answer directly to the Hansa Itself. To obtain any power in the League one must be part of the wealthy class or be in high standing with one of the powerful guilds in the league, mainly the trading guilds but recently with industrialization and new company slowly overtaking the guilds in power it is found that the New Money have been increasingly finding their way into seats traditionally held by City nobility and influential guilds men. But even with good standing with the city or Guilds one must be elected by those they which to represent, it is different for every body of the league with the guilds and corporations doing a simple Majority vote while the cities tend to send multiple representatives from the different quarters of the cities in a system similar to the British parliamentary system but slightly descaled for a city.
Ideology: Free Trade, Colonialism, Capitalism.
Leader/s: Syndic Otto Von Hennenberg, The 1848 Hansa.
Relations The League tends to abide by strict neutality but has opened many trade deals across the baltic and Atlantic oceans with vested intrest in extending their trade routes across the Atlantic to the New World and into Asia towards the wealthy states of China. It is a member of the German confederation but the restrictive economic policy is slowly building discontent among the league.

Population Info
Brief Description of your people: The People of the Legue tend to be mainly made up of
Religion:
Ethnicity:
Main/Accepted Culture(s): (ex. IRL-UK would be English, Scottish; only cultures that are dominant and the gov't favors)
Other Cultures: (ex. IRL-UK would have been Irish, Welsh, etc ; cultures that aren't accepted by the gov't/people)

Military Info
Army: (branches, number of troops, quality of army, etc,)
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Other Info
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Goals:
History:
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WIP

[Hippie Kiwis]

What's the current date?

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

What's the current date?

January 1st 1848

[Hippie Kiwis]

danke

[The Industrial States of Columbia]

danke

No problemo

[Romanussia]

Any Prussia-like nations allowed or around? In case of yes, I went with the closest match, is there anything that could be better? Will get the full app out upon confirmation:

Reservation:
Location: 25
Nation Name: Duchy of Hohenzollern (Default), Kingdom of Prussia (Changed)
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[Hippie Kiwis]

I believe that there was a "Prussia" but it was changed to greater Saxony by the player.