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[Arulean States]

I would propose an American Union which we might call the United Sovereign States of America. Each member state is independent and sovereign but pledges to protect each other in times of war.

We can have a constitution, and a Declaration of Independence, and everything!

[G-Tech Corporation]

Sometimes it's good to know when to lower ambition a bit.

One cannot drink a cup of water half-full of poison and call it healthy, or call a garment clean if it is half-covered in excrement. Compromise on matters of petty meaning is wise; compromise on matters of importance is foolishness.

[Arulean States]

To abandon any of God's creatures, his imagebearers, to ignorance, impoverishment, and eternal damnation would go against the fundamental principles of both the Hegemon and the Imperium's population.

Sometimes it's good to know when to lower ambition a bit.

One cannot drink a cup of water half-full of poison and call it healthy, or call a garment clean if it is half-covered in excrement. Compromise on matters of petty meaning is wise; compromise on matters of importance is foolishness.[/quote]
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

[The Orson Empire]

Then we shouldn't fight against each other, but talk this out and come to an agreement.



Or, or new plan;

The Imperium accepts that America isn't worth it and accept that Paganism is here to stay and trades with America.

To abandon any of God's creatures, his imagebearers, to ignorance, impoverishment, and eternal damnation would go against the fundamental principles of both the Hegemon and the Imperium's population.

Impoverishment? Ignorance?

We are doing just fine without the Imperium, thank you very much. I doubt the Hegemon really cares about his religion; he just wants to expand his power base.

[Ulls]

I would propose an American Union which we might call the United Sovereign States of America. Each member state is independent and sovereign but pledges to protect each other in times of war.

We can have a constitution, and a Declaration of Independence, and everything!

We wouldn't need a Declaration of Independence but a shared constitution I can get behind.

To abandon any of God's creatures, his imagebearers, to ignorance, impoverishment, and eternal damnation would go against the fundamental principles of both the Hegemon and the Imperium's population.

Impoverishment? Ignorance?

We are doing just fine without the Imperium, thank you very much. I doubt the Hegemony really cares about his religion; he just wants to expand his power base.

Jeb and Turner need to have a talk so we don't have this war.

[Arulean States]

To abandon any of God's creatures, his imagebearers, to ignorance, impoverishment, and eternal damnation would go against the fundamental principles of both the Hegemon and the Imperium's population.

Impoverishment? Ignorance?

We are doing just fine without the Imperium, thank you very much. I doubt the Hegemon really cares about his religion; he just wants to expand his power base.

The Hegemon is a tyrant who seeks to impose his rule upon humanity against the will of God. If God had meant man to be subservient, he would not have gifted him with free will!



@Ulls, yeah I know, just got a little caught up in the idea

[G-Tech Corporation]

To abandon any of God's creatures, his imagebearers, to ignorance, impoverishment, and eternal damnation would go against the fundamental principles of both the Hegemon and the Imperium's population.

Impoverishment? Ignorance?

We are doing just fine without the Imperium, thank you very much. I doubt the Hegemon really cares about his religion; he just wants to expand his power base.

Comparative, of course. If by moving North America forward a century a million future lives can be prevented from living in squalor and dying young and alone, almost any cost will be accounted worthwhile.

Actually, less of the power base, more of the Vladimir wanted to go off exploring. An Emperor can grow tired of ruling, and North America is just the wild and rugged sort of country to restore a man's faith in his fellows after the politicking and court of Mara.

Impoverishment? Ignorance?

We are doing just fine without the Imperium, thank you very much. I doubt the Hegemon really cares about his religion; he just wants to expand his power base.

The Hegemon is a tyrant who seeks to impose his rule upon humanity against the will of God. If God had meant man to be subservient, he would not have gifted him with free will!

Free will? What's that?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Jeb and Turner need to have a talk so we don't have this war.

Of course, it will probably be years until news of the landings in Virginia reaches Ego.

[Ulls]

Jeb and Turner need to have a talk so we don't have this war.

Of course, it will probably be years until news of the landings in Virginia reaches Ego.

But Jeb would know of the Imperium and he can guess that the Imperium would eventually become curious about the New World.

[The Orson Empire]

Impoverishment? Ignorance?

We are doing just fine without the Imperium, thank you very much. I doubt the Hegemon really cares about his religion; he just wants to expand his power base.

Comparative, of course. If by moving North America forward a century a million future lives can be prevented from living in squalor and dying young and alone, almost any cost will be accounted worthwhile.

Actually, less of the power base, more of the Vladimir wanted to go off exploring. An Emperor can grow tired of ruling, and North America is just the wild and rugged sort of country to restore a man's faith in his fellows after the politicking and court of Mara.

The Hegemon is a tyrant who seeks to impose his rule upon humanity against the will of God. If God had meant man to be subservient, he would not have gifted him with free will!

Free will? What's that?

The ability to be free of the tyranny of pig-fuckers like the Hegemon! Death to him and the Imperium!

[The Orson Empire]

I would propose an American Union which we might call the United Sovereign States of America. Each member state is independent and sovereign but pledges to protect each other in times of war.

We can have a constitution, and a Declaration of Independence, and everything!

We wouldn't need a Declaration of Independence but a shared constitution I can get behind.

Impoverishment? Ignorance?

We are doing just fine without the Imperium, thank you very much. I doubt the Hegemony really cares about his religion; he just wants to expand his power base.

Jeb and Turner need to have a talk so we don't have this war.

Jeb needs to get his ass back to Ego then, before a full-scale war can break out.

While he is off frolicking in good ole Europa, Ego is falling into chaos.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Of course, it will probably be years until news of the landings in Virginia reaches Ego.

But Jeb would know of the Imperium and he can guess that the Imperium would eventually become curious about the New World.

Certainly, eventually. Of course, he brought this threat to the New World himself, from his standpoint, by openly revealing the existence of Ego to the Sami and Norsca.

Comparative, of course. If by moving North America forward a century a million future lives can be prevented from living in squalor and dying young and alone, almost any cost will be accounted worthwhile.

Actually, less of the power base, more of the Vladimir wanted to go off exploring. An Emperor can grow tired of ruling, and North America is just the wild and rugged sort of country to restore a man's faith in his fellows after the politicking and court of Mara.



Free will? What's that?

The ability to be free of the tyranny of pig-fuckers like the Hegemon! Death to him and the Imperium!

What, and waste good bacon?

[Arulean States]

Of course, it will probably be years until news of the landings in Virginia reaches Ego.

But Jeb would know of the Imperium and he can guess that the Imperium would eventually become curious about the New World.

Just to point out, it’s almost impossible to prevent word of something like that spreading, especially now that there’s an Author there. It’s take, at most, a few weeks to reach Franklin, and a few months for word to reach Ego.

[G-Tech Corporation]

But Jeb would know of the Imperium and he can guess that the Imperium would eventually become curious about the New World.

Just to point out, it’s almost impossible to prevent word of something like that spreading, especially now that there’s an Author there. It’s take, at most, a few weeks to reach Franklin, and a few months for word to reach Ego.

You think tribes in Neolithic prehistory communicated across a thousand miles via word of mouth? Or even often with their neighbors at all?

[The Orson Empire]

Just to point out, it’s almost impossible to prevent word of something like that spreading, especially now that there’s an Author there. It’s take, at most, a few weeks to reach Franklin, and a few months for word to reach Ego.

You think tribes in Neolithic prehistory communicated across a thousand miles via word of mouth? Or even often with their neighbors at all?

I imagine tribes across eastern America would be very familiar with Ego by now. Ulls has stated that there is a large amount of immigrants coming in from lands beyond Ego's borders, and there are certainly well established trade networks across the region.

It is feasible that such information could spread quickly.

[Ulls]

We wouldn't need a Declaration of Independence but a shared constitution I can get behind.



Jeb and Turner need to have a talk so we don't have this war.

Jeb needs to get his ass back to Ego then, before a full-scale war can break out.

While he is off frolicking in good ole Europa, Ego is falling into chaos.

I'm time skipping a few weeks with Turner getting a message from the governor to head to Greenland, Jeb talks about the Imperium and we hastily assemble the other Authors and help others unite under a united cause. Skulk will probably get bolstered by Faceless Men and start coming up with ideas and let them in on their grand plan.

You think tribes in Neolithic prehistory communicated across a thousand miles via word of mouth? Or even often with their neighbors at all?

I imagine tribes across eastern America would be very familiar with Ego by now. Ulls has stated that there is a large amount of immigrants coming in from lands beyond Ego's borders, and there are certainly well established trade networks across the region.

It is feasible that such information could spread quickly.

There's the Skulk, but that'll take time. I also suggest we start making peace with the Bison Chasers and I know how on that part.

[Arulean States]

You think tribes in Neolithic prehistory communicated across a thousand miles via word of mouth? Or even often with their neighbors at all?

I imagine tribes across eastern America would be very familiar with Ego by now. Ulls has stated that there is a large amount of immigrants coming in from lands beyond Ego's borders, and there are certainly well established trade networks across the region.

It is feasible that such information could spread quickly.

Actually the placement of the major authors in the northeast is about as good as it could be for rapidly spreading news. They all share a common language base in the Algonquin language, and they are all at their roots migratory people. Even the Powhatan, a pretty sedentary people, ranged from where Franklin is down to the Carolinas and west to West Virginia in their migrations.

@ulls, just remember that you have no idea that I exist for now. I’ll make contact before too long, but I haven’t yet...

[The Orson Empire]

Jeb needs to get his ass back to Ego then, before a full-scale war can break out.

While he is off frolicking in good ole Europa, Ego is falling into chaos.

I'm time skipping a few weeks with Turner getting a message from the governor to head to Greenland, Jeb talks about the Imperium and we hastily assemble the other Authors and help others unite under a united cause. Skulk will probably get bolstered by Faceless Men and start coming up with ideas and let them in on their grand plan.

I imagine tribes across eastern America would be very familiar with Ego by now. Ulls has stated that there is a large amount of immigrants coming in from lands beyond Ego's borders, and there are certainly well established trade networks across the region.

It is feasible that such information could spread quickly.

There's the Skulk, but that'll take time. I also suggest we start making peace with the Bison Chasers and I know how on that part.

So, there will be no plot to kill Turner?

I imagine tribes across eastern America would be very familiar with Ego by now. Ulls has stated that there is a large amount of immigrants coming in from lands beyond Ego's borders, and there are certainly well established trade networks across the region.

It is feasible that such information could spread quickly.

Actually the placement of the major authors in the northeast is about as good as it could be for rapidly spreading news. They all share a common language base in the Algonquin language, and they are all at their roots migratory people. Even the Powhatan, a pretty sedentary people, ranged from where Franklin is down to the Carolinas and west to West Virginia in their migrations.

@ulls, just remember that you have no idea that I exist for now. I’ll make contact before too long, but I haven’t yet...

The Authors themselves also speak English, so we can communicate with each other easily.

Though, Turner hasn't spoken the language in years, and as even started to think more in the native language rather than English (since he uses it so often).

[G-Tech Corporation]

You think tribes in Neolithic prehistory communicated across a thousand miles via word of mouth? Or even often with their neighbors at all?

I imagine tribes across eastern America would be very familiar with Ego by now. Ulls has stated that there is a large amount of immigrants coming in from lands beyond Ego's borders, and there are certainly well established trade networks across the region.

It is feasible that such information could spread quickly.

Sure, immigrants. But not from a thousand miles away. Probably not even from a hundred miles away, really.

Well-established trade routes between Ego and Franklin, perhaps. Other examples of trade will be purely local, one hunter-gatherer tribe giving a good to another and that good slowly being traded across the intervening distance through a chain of transactions. That's an awful slow way to move both the news and commerce. Beside, we just discussed how Ego is mainly inward-facing.

So, there will be no plot to kill Turner?

Ah, a perfect chance to lull Turner into a false sense of security, excellent. Good job Ulls, uniting the continent "for the good of all Authors", very clever. And a good way to let the Skulk infiltrate the Faceless Men, I approve. You've thought of everything.

[Arulean States]

I'm time skipping a few weeks with Turner getting a message from the governor to head to Greenland, Jeb talks about the Imperium and we hastily assemble the other Authors and help others unite under a united cause. Skulk will probably get bolstered by Faceless Men and start coming up with ideas and let them in on their grand plan.



There's the Skulk, but that'll take time. I also suggest we start making peace with the Bison Chasers and I know how on that part.

So, there will be no plot to kill Turner?

Actually the placement of the major authors in the northeast is about as good as it could be for rapidly spreading news. They all share a common language base in the Algonquin language, and they are all at their roots migratory people. Even the Powhatan, a pretty sedentary people, ranged from where Franklin is down to the Carolinas and west to West Virginia in their migrations.

@ulls, just remember that you have no idea that I exist for now. I’ll make contact before too long, but I haven’t yet...

The Authors themselves also speak English, so we can communicate with each other easily.

Though, Turner hasn't spoken the language in years, and as even started to think more in the native language rather than English (since he uses it so often).

What I’m trying to say is that the people themselves all speak basically the same language.

My Author has a plan to discover if any other authors exist nearby. Once he’s established himself, he’ll send out runners in every direction, with order to travel a month in their given direction, and to leave anyone they come across with a message. To ensure they are Authors rather than just plain old English people (given he doesn’t know we are in the BC), the message will include phrases only 21st century people would understand.

[Arulean States]

I imagine tribes across eastern America would be very familiar with Ego by now. Ulls has stated that there is a large amount of immigrants coming in from lands beyond Ego's borders, and there are certainly well established trade networks across the region.

It is feasible that such information could spread quickly.

Sure, immigrants. But not from a thousand miles away. Probably not even from a hundred miles away, really.

Well-established trade routes between Ego and Franklin, perhaps. Other examples of trade will be purely local, one hunter-gatherer tribe giving a good to another and that good slowly being traded across the intervening distance through a chain of transactions. That's an awful slow way to move both the news and commerce. Beside, we just discussed how Ego is mainly inward-facing.

So, there will be no plot to kill Turner?

Ah, a perfect chance to lull Turner into a false sense of security, excellent. Good job Ulls, uniting the continent "for the good of all Authors", very clever. And a good way to let the Skulk infiltrate the Faceless Men, I approve. You've thought of everything.

Don’t listen to ‘im guys! He’s just tryin to divide us!

[The Orson Empire]

Damn G-Tech, now you are making me paranoid...

I'm already kind of weary of sending Turner so far away to Greenland.

[Ulls]

I imagine tribes across eastern America would be very familiar with Ego by now. Ulls has stated that there is a large amount of immigrants coming in from lands beyond Ego's borders, and there are certainly well established trade networks across the region.

It is feasible that such information could spread quickly.

Sure, immigrants. But not from a thousand miles away. Probably not even from a hundred miles away, really.

Well-established trade routes between Ego and Franklin, perhaps. Other examples of trade will be purely local, one hunter-gatherer tribe giving a good to another and that good slowly being traded across the intervening distance through a chain of transactions. That's an awful slow way to move both the news and commerce. Beside, we just discussed how Ego is mainly inward-facing.

So, there will be no plot to kill Turner?

Ah, a perfect chance to lull Turner into a false sense of security, excellent. Good job Ulls, uniting the continent "for the good of all Authors", very clever. And a good way to let the Skulk infiltrate the Faceless Men, I approve. You've thought of everything.

Not anymore, we got to get together and fight against the Imperium. Turner can't die as he is one of three who can help America manage to shrug off the Christian beast.

Damn G-Tech, now you are making me paranoid...

I'm already kind of weary of sending Turner so far away to Greenland.

There's a joke to this but it's not a false attack. Turner is needed and Ego gotta go into overdrive.

[Arulean States]

Damn G-Tech, now you are making me paranoid...

I'm already kind of weary of sending Turner so far away to Greenland.

How’s about this then. I will try and speed up my progress, and try to make my presence known. Once I know of the situation, I’ll invite you and Ulls to come to my nation, and then we can talk things out on neutral ground. How does that sound?

[The Orson Empire]

Damn G-Tech, now you are making me paranoid...

I'm already kind of weary of sending Turner so far away to Greenland.

How’s about this then. I will try and speed up my progress, and try to make my presence known. Once I know of the situation, I’ll invite you and Ulls to come to my nation, and then we can talk things out on neutral ground. How does that sound?

I honestly think this would be better Ulls.

I'm not comfortable with going to Greenland.