ASoIaF: Rubies on a Red Ford [OOC/Open]

[Revlona]

Is my app still not up to scratch> I added more history as requested

[Utceforp]

Got it, thanks. Updated now

sidenote: do the Boltons have any vassals under them? The wiki just has the houses sworn to them following Roose being made LP, but I can't remember if they had some prior to that

I'd like to believe they did, but its implied the Boltons can only rely on the Dustins and Ryswells through marriage/dislike of the Starks. So maybe GRRM lumped any minor vassals they had into their regular forces, or they don't have any.

The Telltale GoT game has the Whitehills as Bolton vassals, maybe they could be incorporated for lack of any canonical options.

[Utceforp]

The Manderlys are a Northern house but they have knights rather than generic cavalry, how would this affect their numbers?

[Rygondria]

Fixed the app, what would happen if Jon Arryn were to pass suddenly? I doubt the Royces would allow Harrold to even pass the Gates of the Moon right?

Well you have to wait and see now will you. I could let him through or not..yet i could just easily have archers shoot at him from the Gates of the moon as well. Really depends on how the lord of Runestone is feeling toward Harrold at the moment.

[Lithra]

Fixed the app, what would happen if Jon Arryn were to pass suddenly? I doubt the Royces would allow Harrold to even pass the Gates of the Moon right?

Well you have to wait and see now will you. I could let him through or not..yet i could just easily have archers shoot at him from the Gates of the moon as well. Really depends on how the lord of Runestone is feeling toward Harrold at the moment.

Already the plotting begins. ;-p

[Krugmar]

The Manderlys are a Northern house but they have knights rather than generic cavalry, how would this affect their numbers?

I've added that to the ORBAT, it's +75 knights.

[Kargintina]

Can we do custom houses or are they a no-no?

I'm afraid they're a no.

@Karg, I'm going to accept you on the conditions that you merely add your correct forces. This should be akin to 7,000 directly levied forces, supplemented by 620 knights. Also, I'm a bit confused about why Harrold is declared leader, Jon Arryn I believe is perfectly functionable in his old-age. He might be getting close to death, but he still leads his house. Just fix that up for me whenever you can, thanks.

Harrold being was just a mistake I forgot to change, it's fixed now.

Numbers are fixed as well.

[Utceforp]

House Name: House Manderly
Culture: Reachman/Northerner blend
Leader: Lord Wylis Manderly
Lands: See the map
Sovereign: House Stark of Winterfell
Coat of Arms: Azure, a merman embowed Argent crined, bearded, and queued Vert sustaining a trident Sable
Direct Forces/Vassal Forces: 4,175 (175 knights)
History of the House since 282 AC

283 AC: In the chaos that followed the death of Robert Baratheon, Lord Wyman Manderly is slain by royalists at the Battle of the Trident. Lord Wylis Manderly is hastily named Lord of White Harbor, and is present for both Rhaegar's proclamation at Riverrun and the coup in King's Landing.

285 AC: Lord Wylis' second child is born, a son. He names him "Wyman" in honour of his departed father.

289 AC: Ser Wendel Manderly commands a small Northern fleet during the Greyjoy Rebellion.

290 AC: Lord Wylis' third child is born, a daughter. He names her "Wenda" in honour of his brother.

291 AC: "Little Wyman" is fostered at Winterfell. He befriends the Starks, but finds Asha Greyjoy strange and frightening.

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Name: Lord Wylis Manderly
Titles: Lord of White Harbor, Warden of the White Knife, Shield of the Faith, Defender of the Dispossessed, Lord Marshal of the Mander, and Knight of the Order of the Green Hand
Culture: Reachman/Northerner
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Appearance:

(Image)

Allegiance: House Stark of Winterfell
Profession: Nobleman
Religion: Faith of the Seven
Family Members/Household:

- Leona Manderly (née Woolfield), wife

- Ser Wendel Manderly, brother and master-at-arms

- Ser Marlon Manderly, uncle and commander of the garrison

- Donella Hornwood (née Manderly), aunt

- Wynafryd Manderly, daughter

- Wyman Manderly, son

- Wenda Manderly, daughter

- Theomore Lannister, Maester

Personal History since 282 AC:

283 AC: Lord Wylis Manderly is hastily named Lord of White Harbor after Lord Wyman's death, and is present for both Rhaegar's proclamation at Riverrun and the coup in King's Landing.

285 AC: Lord Wylis' second child is born, a son. He names him "Wyman" in honour of his departed father.

290 AC: Lord Wylis' third child is born, a daughter. He names her "Wenda" in honour of his brother.

291 AC: "Little Wyman" is sent to Winterfell.

Name: "Little" Wyman Manderly
Titles: Heir to White Harbor
Culture: Reachman/Northerner
Age: 13
Gender: Male
Appearance: A boy of average height for his age with a babyish round face, short blond hair, and bright blue eyes. He is noticeably chubby but is far from as fat as his father, uncle, or grandfather.
Allegiance: House Manderly of White Harbor, House Stark of Winterfell
Profession: Squire, Noble
Religion: Faith of the Seven
Family Members:

- Lord Wylis Manderly, father

- Leona Manderly (née Woolfield), mother

- Ser Wendel Manderly, uncle

- Ser Marlon Manderly, great uncle

- Donella Hornwood (née Manderly), great aunt

- Wynafryd Manderly, sister

- Wenda Manderly, sister

Personal History since 282 AC:

285 AC: Wyman is born in White Harbor. Lord Wylis names him for his departed grandfather, Lord Wyman.

291 AC: Wyman is fostered at Winterfell and is tutored by Ser Rodrik Cassel and Septon Chayle. He befriends Torrhen, Myrcella, and Alysanne Stark. As Wyman grows older he develops a crush on Alysanne.

295 AC: Wyman is taken on as a squire by Ser Rodrik Cassel.

298 AC: Wyman helps his master Ser Rodrik prepare for King Rhaegar's visit to Winterfell

I've edited the Manderly numbers and consolidated all my apps onto one post.

[Liecthenbourg]

Thanks very much, Utce. I'll amend the link in the roster to this one.

[Utceforp]

I was thinking I might do a third Manderly character, either retconning Wendel to have been sent to the Wall after Robert's Rebellion and having him participate in whatever the NW are up to, or having Wynafryd be betrothed to a southern lord and showing the south from her perspective. Any thoughts? Any offers for the hand of Wynafryd?

[Revlona]

I was thinking I might do a third Manderly character, either retconning Wendel to have been sent to the Wall after Robert's Rebellion and having him participate in whatever the NW are up to, or having Wynafryd be betrothed to a southern lord and showing the south from her perspective. Any thoughts? Any offers for the hand of Wynafryd?

Just tell me what year he joins the NW and ill put it in the history

[Lithra]

I was thinking I might do a third Manderly character, either retconning Wendel to have been sent to the Wall after Robert's Rebellion and having him participate in whatever the NW are up to, or having Wynafryd be betrothed to a southern lord and showing the south from her perspective. Any thoughts? Any offers for the hand of Wynafryd?

I had it that Roland Crakehall had been looking for a wife for his sons. So I can put up his two eldest if you want.

[Eraus]

House Name: House Velaryon
Culture: Westerosi Valyrian
Leader: Lord Monford Velaryon
Lands: The island of Driftmark
Sovereign: King Rhaegar Targaryen
Coat of Arms:

Direct Forces/Vassal Forces: 1,200 and countless ships
History of the House since 282 AC
282: Valarr and Daenys are conceived shortly after the end of the rebellion, Lord Monford who became Lord after the death of his father, Lord Lucerys Velaryon who vanished with most the royal fleet of House Targaryen, during the storm of which Princess Daenerys Targaryen was born

289: Lord Monford and his ships are apart of the Loyalists fleet that helps combat the Ironborn rebellion, Monford finds the sea to be deadlier than he recalls, stating his time in the mainland had tainted the Lord of Tides.

290: Aethon Waters is born to Aurane Waters, who asks his brother to take the boy in while Aurane ventures across the seas. Monford does, raising the young bastard as if he were his own. Monford finds the bastard to be too akin to his father, something Monford attempts to change.

293: Valarr and his sister unlike their father, find the mainland to their liking, a fact that disappoints Monford who's hellbent on ensuring Valarr is shaped into becoming the future Master of Ships after his father can no longer fill said position.

294: Monford sends his son on a voyage with his bastard brother Aurane, hoping the trip will teach Valarr something about the seas.

295: Monford begins to grow sick, asking the King to allow him to return home, taking his children and wife with him. Leaving his position open, which is sadly taken by an Ironborn.

297: His illness grows worse with time, leaving the once powerful man bedridden and broken.

298: Monford is incredibly still alive, bedridden and too weak to even feed himself. His days are numbered, while his son prepares to take over his father's position as Lord all be it reluctantly.

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Name: Monford Velaryon
Titles: Lord of the Tides, Master of Driftmark
Culture: Westerosi Valyrian
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Appearance: Monford was handsome with fair hair, now he's a skinny and sickly man unable to leave his bed.
Allegiance: King Rhaegar Targaryen
Profession: Lord of the Tides
Religion: The Seven
Family Members:
Valarr Velaryon (Son)
Daenys Velaryon (Daughter)
Aethon Waters (Nephew)
Aurane Waters (Brother)

Personal History since 282 AC:
289: Lord Monford and his ships are apart of the Loyalists fleet that helps combat the Ironborn rebellion, Monford finds the sea to be deadlier than he recalls, stating his time in the mainland had tainted the Lord of Tides.

290: Aethon Waters is born to Aurane Waters, who asks his brother to take the boy in while Aurane ventures across the seas. Monford does, raising the young bastard as if he were his own. Monford finds the bastard to be too akin to his father, something Monford attempts to change.

293: Valarr and his sister unlike their father, find the mainland to their liking, a fact that disappoints Monford who's hellbent on ensuring Valarr is shaped into becoming the future Master of Ships after his father can no longer fill said position.

294: Monford sends his son on a voyage with his bastard brother Aurane, hoping the trip will teach Valarr something about the seas.

295: Monford begins to grow sick, asking the King to allow him to return home, taking his children and wife with him. Leaving his position open, which is sadly taken by an Ironborn.

297: His illness grows worse with time, leaving the once powerful man bedridden and broken.

298: Monford is incredibly still alive, bedridden and too weak to even feed himself. His days are numbered, while his son prepares to take over his father's position as Lord all be it reluctantly.

Name: Valarr Velaryon
Titles: Ser
Culture: Westerosi Valyrian
Age: 16
Gender: Male
Appearance: Traditional Velaryon features, tall and handsome young man with long, fair hair and violet eyes
Allegiance: House Targaryen
Profession: Heir, Knight(?)
Religion: the Seven
Family Members:
Monford Velaryon (Father)
Daenys Velaryon (Sister/Twin)
Aethon Waters (Cousin)
Aurane Waters (Uncle)
Personal History since 282 AC:
282: Born with his sister, Daenys Velaryon. The Velaryon twins were born healthy and strong

293: Valarr and his sister unlike their father, find the mainland to their liking, a fact that disappoints Monford who's hellbent on ensuring Valarr is shaped into becoming the future Master of Ships after his father can no longer fill said position.

294: Sent with his uncle on a voyage to Essos, Valarr found the farther east they went, the more 'unique' the people grew. Aurane told the boy the tale of Valyria's ruins as they sailed nearby, reminding him to never attempt to sail too close.

298: As his father grew evermore sick, Valarr is currently preparing to take his father's position as Lord of the Tides and Master of Driftmark.

Name: Daenys Velaryon
Titles: Lady
Culture:
Age: 16
Gender: Male
Appearance: Like her twin brother, she has traditional Velaryon features, she is a gorgeous young lady with long, fair hair and violet eyes
Allegiance: House Targaryen
Profession: Heir, Knight(?)
Religion: the Seven
Family Members:
Monford Velaryon (Father)
Daenys Velaryon (Sister/Twin)
Aethon Waters (Cousin)
Aurane Waters (Uncle)

Name: Aethon Waters
Titles: Bastard of Driftmark
Culture: Westerosi Valyrian
Age: 8
Gender: Male
Appearance: Resembles his father with
silver gold hair and grey-green eyes
Allegiance: House Velaryon
Profession:
Religion: The Seven
Family Members:
Aurane Waters (Father)
Bella of Spicetown (Mother)
Valarr Velaryon (Cousin)
Daenys Velaryon (Cousin)
Monford Velaryon (Uncle)
Personal History since 282 AC:

[Liecthenbourg]

Is my app still not up to scratch> I added more history as requested

Did you not see my comments on taking up an alternative House?

House Name: House Velaryon
Culture: (Westerlander, Northerner, etc) Westerosi Valyrian
Leader: Lord Aenar Velaryon
Lands: The island of Driftmark
Sovereign: King Rhaegar Targaryen
Coat of Arms:

(Image)

Direct Forces/Vassal Forces: 1,200 and countless ships
History of the House since 282 AC
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Normally I'd direct you to the OP, but, we've decided that Velaryon will replace Rosby as a Crownland House that is applicable.

I'll note this down as a reservation, given its status as a WIP.

[Warg the Immortal]

Is my app still not up to scratch> I added more history as requested

Did you not see my comments on taking up an alternative House?

House Name: House Velaryon
Culture: (Westerlander, Northerner, etc) Westerosi Valyrian
Leader: Lord Aenar Velaryon
Lands: The island of Driftmark
Sovereign: King Rhaegar Targaryen
Coat of Arms:

(Image)

Direct Forces/Vassal Forces: 1,200 and countless ships
History of the House since 282 AC
429 - DO NOT REMOVE.
(REMOVE EVERYTHING IN BRACKETS, INCLUDING THIS)

Normally I'd direct you to the OP, but, we've decided that Velaryon will replace Rosby as a Crownland House that is applicable.

I'll note this down as a reservation, given its status as a WIP.

I thought we were using canon characters (apart from those affected by the point of diversion in history), so wouldn't either Lucerys or Monford be the head of the Velaryons?

[Revlona]

Is my app still not up to scratch> I added more history as requested

Did you not see my comments on taking up an alternative House?

House Name: House Velaryon
Culture: (Westerlander, Northerner, etc) Westerosi Valyrian
Leader: Lord Aenar Velaryon
Lands: The island of Driftmark
Sovereign: King Rhaegar Targaryen
Coat of Arms:

(Image)

Direct Forces/Vassal Forces: 1,200 and countless ships
History of the House since 282 AC
429 - DO NOT REMOVE.
(REMOVE EVERYTHING IN BRACKETS, INCLUDING THIS)

Normally I'd direct you to the OP, but, we've decided that Velaryon will replace Rosby as a Crownland House that is applicable.

I'll note this down as a reservation, given its status as a WIP.

You suggested i take another smaller house, (Don´t really know whats smaller than NW), you didnt order me to take another house, yall went straight to asking me to take another house without telling me what was wrong or asking me to fix it

[Krugmar]

You suggested i take another smaller house, (Don´t really know whats smaller than NW), you didnt order me to take another house, yall went straight to asking me to take another house without telling me what was wrong or asking me to fix it

The Night's Watch will have an integral part to play in this rp, hence why a higher standard is looked for, same as for Lord Paramount/Warden Houses. Your apps have been lacking that standard, which is why it was suggested you go for a smaller House.

[Revlona]

You suggested i take another smaller house, (Don´t really know whats smaller than NW), you didnt order me to take another house, yall went straight to asking me to take another house without telling me what was wrong or asking me to fix it

The Night's Watch will have an integral part to play in this rp, hence why a higher standard is looked for, same as for Lord Paramount/Warden Houses. Your apps have been lacking that standard, which is why it was suggested you go for a smaller House.

How was my app lacking for the NW? I have the same amount of history as everyone else and everything else is fine

[Lithra]

I am still looking to expand on the Westerlands history, more for House Crakewell, just wasn't sure on what to include.

[Krugmar]

The Night's Watch will have an integral part to play in this rp, hence why a higher standard is looked for, same as for Lord Paramount/Warden Houses. Your apps have been lacking that standard, which is why it was suggested you go for a smaller House.

How was my app lacking for the NW? I have the same amount of history as everyone else and everything else is fine

Note I said standard, not quantity. A large amount of history is not required, a short but well done bit will suffice. Everything else is not fine.

Most of it is to do with minor things which could normally be overlooked, but altogether they become concerning:
1 - Misspelt names and words (Jeor Mormont, Qhorin Halfhand, Rhaegar, disappear)
2 - Not leaving a space between the colon and the information given
3 - Improper punctuation and use of capitals in areas
4 - At least name the wildling leader they had a conflict with, otherwise what's the point of including it?

I understand I'm being harsh, but you didn't address any points I made on your Tyrell app, despite them being very minor things that could have been cleared up in five minutes, similar to these.

Usually we're pretty relaxed about this, hence why nobody else has really had any problems other than those I have caused for them (i.e the ORBAT), but in this case I'm also going to ask for a three paragraph rp sample along with your edited app.

[Kisinger]

House Name: House Frey of the Twins
Culture: Riverlander
Leader: 'the Late' Lord Walder Frey
Lands: The Crossing and the lands surrounding it, located primarily in the Neck.
Sovereign: House Tully
Coat of Arms: How lovely, two towers
Direct Forces/Vassal Forces: 4,000 + 200 Knights (Houses Charlton, Erenford, Haigh, are sworn houses to the Freys and make up part of that total)
History of the House since 282 AC

282 AC: Lord Walder having not pledged his troops wholeheartedly to the cause of the rebellion leaves most of his bannermen at the twins but still sends a few hundred to hold up his obligation somewhat to his liege lord.

283 AC: Following the defeat of Robert at the hands of Rhaegar, Walder Frey soon sent ravens to Rhaegar declaring his support for the Targaryen dynasty. Son Walder and his troops march South towards Riverrun, ambushing rebel patrols along the way.

289 AC: He names the Black Walder as his favored heir through him fighting admirably at the Siege of Pyke and leading what few Frey bannermen where sent there along with him, as well as the death of Stevron Frey though every god damn Frey in existence is vying for that spot and it looks as if any one of them could still get it.

290 AC: Walder sends a few of his grandchildren and children to King's Landing hoping to have them learn how to act at court but more importantly to gather information for himself.

295 AC: Walder in hope of further pleasing Rhaegar sends some of his younger sons to take the Black, greatly pleasing the rest of the family but inadvertently causes a rift in the family causing a few sides to splinter.

299 AC: The fracturing of the family comes to a head as Walder makes his intentions known that he has declared the Black Walder as the only 'Acceptable' Heir for him as he has spent the last 16 years grooming the Black Walder

(282-Present: so many kids, so many and the grand kids, and great grand kids, why don't they fucking stop fucking already?)

I don't see much else that they would do, unless you want me to make up something
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Name: 'the Late' Lord Walder Frey
Titles: Lord of the Crossing
Culture: Riverlander
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Appearance: I'll get up later but a skinny old dude who is creepy(i.e. work in progress)
Allegiance: House Tully (For now)
Profession: Lord
Religion: Faith of the Seven
Family Members: http://i.imgur.com/BzrWNOI.png there you go
Personal History since 282 AC: Basically look at the Frey History above and that's pretty much it.

[Revlona]

How was my app lacking for the NW? I have the same amount of history as everyone else and everything else is fine

Note I said standard, not quantity. A large amount of history is not required, a short but well done bit will suffice. Everything else is not fine.

Most of it is to do with minor things which could normally be overlooked, but altogether they become concerning:
1 - Misspelt names and words (Jeor Mormont, Qhorin Halfhand, Rhaegar, disappear)
2 - Not leaving a space between the colon and the information given
3 - Improper punctuation and use of capitals in areas
4 - At least name the wildling leader they had a conflict with, otherwise what's the point of including it?

I understand I'm being harsh, but you didn't address any points I made on your Tyrell app, despite them being very minor things that could have been cleared up in five minutes, similar to these.

Usually we're pretty relaxed about this, hence why nobody else has really had any problems other than those I have caused for them (i.e the ORBAT), but in this case I'm also going to ask for a three paragraph rp sample along with your edited app.

Finally, you tell me what i need to fix. Ill get right on to it.

are you asking for me to write something up or will you be ok with and RP example I have already written up?

[Krugmar]

Finally, you tell me what i need to fix. Ill get right on to it.

are you asking for me to write something up or will you be ok with and RP example I have already written up?

Either

[Liecthenbourg]

-snip-

A few points: The forces would be 4k + 150 in total (Vassals help make up that 4k)
You may wish to look at the family trees on the main page - I don't believe anything has changed, but its worth noting you're married into Darry, Lannister and Crakehall.
Furthermore, you might wish to year-date your history, but that's fine.
And finally, if you could list Walder and Stevron's wife/kids (not their grandkids, just that level of the family) family in the "Family Members" and perhaps a link to the full tree, that would be appreciated.

[Of the Quendi]

House Name: The Night's Watch
Culture: (Westerlander, Northerner, etc) Multicultural
Leader: Jeor Mormont, 997th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch
Lands: Brandon's Gift, New Gift and the Wall
Sovereign: None
Coat of Arms: Sable
Direct Forces/Vassal Forces: 2,500 men
History of the House since 282 AC During the tenure of Lord Commander Qorgoyle the Night's Watch, having struggled for years became the subject of renewed royal patronage by the new King Rhaegar Targaryen and saw a slow but steady growth of its recruitments. This continued following the death of Qorgoyle and the election of Jeer Mormont as 997th Lord Commander and in recent years the Nights Watch has begun to develop the gift lands and made plans for the refortification of the many abandoned castles on the Wall.
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Name: Jeor Mormont
Titles: Lord Commander of the Night's Watch
Culture: Northman
Age: 68
Gender: Male
Appearance: Lord Commander Mormont is an imposing figure in spite of his age. He has broad-shoulders and a stern gaze. He has lost most most of his hair save for his shaggy grey-white beard.
Allegiance: Night's Watch
Profession: Lord Commander of the Night's Watch
Religion: Old Gods
Family Members: Ser Jorah Mormont, Maege Mormont, Dacey Mormont, Alysane Mormont, Lyra Mormont, Jorelle Mormont, Lyanna Mormont,
Personal History since 282 AC: Some time before Roberts Rebellion Jeor Mormont abandoned his Lordship over Bear Island to join the Night's Watch. He advanced quickly through the ranks of the order being tasked to refortify the castle Stonedoor with exiles from Roberts Rebellion in 286 AC. After the death of Lord Commander Qorgoyle in 288 AC Mormont was elected as the 997th Lord Commander of the Night's Watch. Concerned with the rising threat of the Wildlings Lord Commander Mormont exploited the increasing patronage of the Night's Watch by the new King Rhaegar Targaryen to strengthen the Night's Watch. On the advice of his First Ranger, Benjen Stark, Mormont gave up the regular patrols used by his predecessor Lord Qorgyle in favor of a more random system, varying the number of patrols and the days of their departure, to make it more difficult for the wildlings to know their comings and goings. He also began to use the influx of new men and resources to develop the holdings of the Night's Watch further. At the time of his election the Night's Watch manned only four of their fortresses permanently; the Shadow Tower, Stonedoor, Castle Black and Eastwatch-by-the-sea. The Lord Commander made it a policy to man most of the castles on a part time basis and in 289 AC Woodswatch-by-the-Pool was given a permeant garrison. Icemark followed in 293 AC, followed by Long Barrow in 296 AC. Plans for the permanent fortification of Westwatch-by-the-Sea is currently under way.