ASoIaF: Rubies on a Red Ford [OOC/Open]

[Lithra]

Knights included separate from the total or included?

Include them separately, for example '3,000 levy + 350 knights'

Edit made for House Crakehall
Direct Forces/Vassal Forces:

• Garrison: 100 Knights, 250 Men At Arms (Included in totals)
• Direct Forces that can be raised: 250 Knights/3,000 Men at Arms

[Eraus]

Tag.....I'll be looking about, idk what's open and whats not but I'll for sure try to figure out

[Utceforp]

The Manderlys are a Northern house but they have knights rather than generic cavalry, how would this affect their numbers?

[Rygondria]

I'm pretty sure they can find someone with a better claim than Bronze Yohn. House Royce's last marriage to an Arryn was ages ago, wasn't it?

This is fair enough.

I must confess that I'm not entirely excellent on the lineage of House Arryn. If this is the case, Rygondria, we can speculate the t h e B r o n z e Y o h n is at the forefront of the move to get these other claimants?

Yeah... and constantly remind them who got them on the throne on the first place, Possible mold his mind like clay to support him if it is a young child...then maybe just maybe marry into inheriting the vale. You know.. The game of thrones and everything.

[Lithra]

This is fair enough.

I must confess that I'm not entirely excellent on the lineage of House Arryn. If this is the case, Rygondria, we can speculate the t h e B r o n z e Y o h n is at the forefront of the move to get these other claimants?

Yeah... and constantly remind them who got them on the throne on the first place, Possible mold his mind like clay to support him if it is a young child...then maybe just maybe marry into inheriting the vale. You know.. The game of thrones and everything.

The Baelish Route

[Eraus]

They're aint no like regional player cap right?

so I can go House Dustin?

[Rygondria]

Yeah... and constantly remind them who got them on the throne on the first place, Possible mold his mind like clay to support him if it is a young child...then maybe just maybe marry into inheriting the vale. You know.. The game of thrones and everything.

The Baelish Route

Or if i have to...The Robert route.

[The Valyria Empire]

It can be speculated, due to both hostility in Robert's Rebellion and Rhaegar's ploy to get Harrold Hardyng as his groomed Lord of the Vale, the Vale Lords are rallying in secret (hopefully with Jon Arryn) to try to get Jon to appoint t h e B r o n z e Y o h n as his legal successor.

I'm pretty sure they can find someone with a better claim than Bronze Yohn. House Royce's last marriage to an Arryn was ages ago, wasn't it? There are cadet Arryn branches that could prove useful for the purposes of the Lords Declarant.

Yeah, there’s a cadet branch of Arryns in Gulltown. However they’re poor so everybody ignores them. However if Harrold died without issue I could see them taking the Eyrie.

Edit: Edited my forces. Hurts that my forces got knocked low, I would have though I would have at least 1,500 due to having some vassals. However if that’s what the consensus reached I can live with it.

[Jhet]

They're aint no like regional player cap right?

so I can go House Dustin?

Houses you can take are in the OP.

[Kargintina]

Fixed the app, what would happen if Jon Arryn were to pass suddenly? I doubt the Royces would allow Harrold to even pass the Gates of the Moon right?

[Caltarania]

Fixed the app, what would happen if Jon Arryn were to pass suddenly? I doubt the Royces would allow Harrold to even pass the Gates of the Moon right?

Perhaps not... but he could always go through Gulltown and just stay there, I guess.

[Lithra]

Fixed the app, what would happen if Jon Arryn were to pass suddenly? I doubt the Royces would allow Harrold to even pass the Gates of the Moon right?

Civil War in the Vale?

[Revlona]

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[Elepis]

House being reserved: Redwyne
Time stamp: 22:51
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[Warg the Immortal]

In an effort to try and balance troop numbers, and ensure that Lord Paramounts/Wardens remain both strong in their own right, but also dependent on their bannermen, We've revised the provisional ORBAT created by Lunas.

New ORBAT.

Please amend your troop numbers accordingly, and add in knights based on the scaling provided. We realise these numbers aren't completely akin to the numbers put by GRRM in his books, or additional material, so please don't point that out.

How does the 'bonus', 'tier 1-2' and 'add-on' stuff work?

I'm pretty sure they can find someone with a better claim than Bronze Yohn. House Royce's last marriage to an Arryn was ages ago, wasn't it? There are cadet Arryn branches that could prove useful for the purposes of the Lords Declarant.

Yeah, there’s a cadet branch of Arryns in Gulltown. However they’re poor so everybody ignores them. However if Harrold died without issue I could see them taking the Eyrie.

Edit: Edited my forces. Hurts that my forces got knocked low, I would have though I would have at least 1,500 due to having some vassals. However if that’s what the consensus reached I can live with it.

Actually the Gulltown Arryns are pretty rich:

House Arryn of Gulltown is a small cadet branch of House Arryn located in the city of Gulltown. They chose to marry merchants in Gulltown, making them richer than most of their cousins. However they are considered uncouth, and so they are not discussed by the rest of the family.[1]

[Lithra]

The way I did it is I am not the LP, but the first listed if that was filled, so figure I am a "tier 1" house. Used the range and picked in the middle. Then used the Westerlands bonus for a tier 1 house and against picked in the middle.

Figure a tier 2 house are ones that come after the the first two houses listed if the LP is taken.

[Krugmar]

In an effort to try and balance troop numbers, and ensure that Lord Paramounts/Wardens remain both strong in their own right, but also dependent on their bannermen, We've revised the provisional ORBAT created by Lunas.

New ORBAT.

Please amend your troop numbers accordingly, and add in knights based on the scaling provided. We realise these numbers aren't completely akin to the numbers put by GRRM in his books, or additional material, so please don't point that out.

How does the 'bonus', 'tier 1-2' and 'add-on' stuff work?

You get the bonus if you are a house from that region. My intent here was to provide additional knights/cavalry to regions known to excel in them, the Vale and Reach because of their focus upon chivalry, the Westerlands because their wealth enables them to have more, and the North because their cavalry requires less status.

Tier 1 refers to the playable Houses which are not LP/Warden and the houses with larger military forces, while tier 2 refers to the smaller houses, usually grouped under 'Other' in the document.

When putting it together, you choose your from your House category (LP/Warden, T1 or T2), and then check to see if you have any bonuses from your region.

[Warg the Immortal]

The way I did it is I am not the LP, but the first listed if that was filled, so figure I am a "tier 1" house. Used the range and picked in the middle. Then used the Westerlands bonus for a tier 1 house and against picked in the middle.

Figure a tier 2 house are ones that come after the the first two houses listed if the LP is taken.

ok, since the boltons are a tier one house I have the base levy (4000), plus tier 1 cavalry (200), and a tier 1 add-on of cavalry (200), making it 4,400 total. Is that how it works?

[Krugmar]

The way I did it is I am not the LP, but the first listed if that was filled, so figure I am a "tier 1" house. Used the range and picked in the middle. Then used the Westerlands bonus for a tier 1 house and against picked in the middle.

Figure a tier 2 house are ones that come after the the first two houses listed if the LP is taken.

ok, since the boltons are a tier one house I have the base levy (4000), plus tier 1 cavalry (200), and a tier 1 add-on of cavalry (200), making it 4,400 total. Is that how it works?

Aye, but make sure to separate them for clarity, i.e. 4,000 levy + 400 cavalry

[Warg the Immortal]

ok, since the boltons are a tier one house I have the base levy (4000), plus tier 1 cavalry (200), and a tier 1 add-on of cavalry (200), making it 4,400 total. Is that how it works?

Aye, but make sure to separate them for clarity, i.e. 4,000 levy + 400 cavalry

Got it, thanks. Updated now

sidenote: do the Boltons have any vassals under them? The wiki just has the houses sworn to them following Roose being made LP, but I can't remember if they had some prior to that

[Liecthenbourg]

Aye, but make sure to separate them for clarity, i.e. 4,000 levy + 400 cavalry

Got it, thanks. Updated now

sidenote: do the Boltons have any vassals under them? The wiki just has the houses sworn to them following Roose being made LP, but I can't remember if they had some prior to that

I'd like to believe they did, but its implied the Boltons can only rely on the Dustins and Ryswells through marriage/dislike of the Starks. So maybe GRRM lumped any minor vassals they had into their regular forces, or they don't have any.

[Lithra]

Got it, thanks. Updated now

sidenote: do the Boltons have any vassals under them? The wiki just has the houses sworn to them following Roose being made LP, but I can't remember if they had some prior to that

I'd like to believe they did, but its implied the Boltons can only rely on the Dustins and Ryswells through marriage/dislike of the Starks. So maybe GRRM lumped any minor vassals they had into their regular forces, or they don't have any.

I think they have petty lords/landed knights like the Manderlys but aren't listed.

[Liecthenbourg]

I'd also like to reference the hilarity of the Gulltown Arryns. They have the predicament of being directly in the lands of perhaps the most pro-Royalist House in the Vale; the Graftons. That might give some of the conspirators a pause in their plan.

EDIT: Ah the powderkeg that is Westeros.

[Ratveria]

Can we do custom houses or are they a no-no?

[Liecthenbourg]

Can we do custom houses or are they a no-no?

I'm afraid they're a no.

@Karg, I'm going to accept you on the conditions that you merely add your correct forces. This should be akin to 7,000 directly levied forces, supplemented by 620 knights. Also, I'm a bit confused about why Harrold is declared leader, Jon Arryn I believe is perfectly functionable in his old-age. He might be getting close to death, but he still leads his house. Just fix that up for me whenever you can, thanks.