ASoIaF: Rubies on a Red Ford [OOC/Open]

[Warg the Immortal]

Could've had Richard replace Jonothor Darry, and just say he died at the Trident like in canon

EDIT: plus I don't think Rhaegar would be too pleased with Jonothor being on the Kingsguard, what with him standing by while Aerys raped Rhaella

To quote our previous Lord Comannder,

You swore a vow to guard the king, not to judge him.

Also Jon had to stand by his vow. Yes, the Kingsguard must protect the royal family but the King has the highest priority. Thus, they had their hands tied. Rhaegar would understand this.

We are, but not from him

Either way, I don't think anyone would be particularly broken up if he'd died at the trident and was replaced by Richard Lonmouth

[Lithra]

Would be a fun little world building thing.

[Rygondria]

Reserve me house Royce if you can.

[Liecthenbourg]

Reserve me house Royce if you can.

Please use the format outlined on the first page.

Utceforp, Kar and BM, I'll get to reviewing your applications (or additions to your applications in the case of Utce) later on today.

[Liecthenbourg]

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The app is fine, but I have two minor points. Forces are a bit large (I had 16k down, but have lowered to 9k on revision and discussing feudal forces with Krugmar.) So I'd drop down below 10k, more around 8k, in that regard.

Secondly; Arryn's attachment to Harrold makes little sense to me. In my mind, Jon shouldn't even care about Harrold; all Harrold is is a boy who the Targs are going to replace him with when he dies if he doesn't do anything about it.

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Remove "THE HOSS" memes and you're good to go. Your forces, as per discussions with Krug, could be lower however, more around 5-6k. LPs rely on the support of their vassals.

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As long as this is fine with the Stark player, its accepted.

[Rygondria]

House being reserved: House Royce
Time stamp: 11:50 Est
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[Liecthenbourg]

House being reserved: House Royce
Time stamp: 11:50 Est
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Noted.

[Revlona]

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[Rygondria]

Any thing i should know about house Royce in this timeline before i start ?

[Liecthenbourg]

Any thing i should know about house Royce in this timeline before i start ?

It can be speculated, due to both hostility in Robert's Rebellion and Rhaegar's ploy to get Harrold Hardyng as his groomed Lord of the Vale, the Vale Lords are rallying in secret (hopefully with Jon Arryn) to try to get Jon to appoint t h e B r o n z e Y o h n as his legal successor.

[Rygondria]

Any thing i should know about house Royce in this timeline before i start ?

It can be speculated, due to both hostility in Robert's Rebellion and Rhaegar's ploy to get Harrold Hardyng as his groomed Lord of the Vale, the Vale Lords are rallying in secret (hopefully with Jon Arryn) to try to get Jon to appoint t h e B r o n z e Y o h n as his legal successor.

Hmmm, really now..should be fun if it gets to a point where everyone loses control of the situation. Nestor is still keeper of the gates of the moon right ?

[Yasuragi]

Any thing i should know about house Royce in this timeline before i start ?

It can be speculated, due to both hostility in Robert's Rebellion and Rhaegar's ploy to get Harrold Hardyng as his groomed Lord of the Vale, the Vale Lords are rallying in secret (hopefully with Jon Arryn) to try to get Jon to appoint t h e B r o n z e Y o h n as his legal successor.

I'm pretty sure they can find someone with a better claim than Bronze Yohn. House Royce's last marriage to an Arryn was ages ago, wasn't it? There are cadet Arryn branches that could prove useful for the purposes of the Lords Declarant.

[Liecthenbourg]

It can be speculated, due to both hostility in Robert's Rebellion and Rhaegar's ploy to get Harrold Hardyng as his groomed Lord of the Vale, the Vale Lords are rallying in secret (hopefully with Jon Arryn) to try to get Jon to appoint t h e B r o n z e Y o h n as his legal successor.

I'm pretty sure they can find someone with a better claim than Bronze Yohn. House Royce's last marriage to an Arryn was ages ago, wasn't it?

This is fair enough.

I must confess that I'm not entirely excellent on the lineage of House Arryn. If this is the case, Rygondria, we can speculate the t h e B r o n z e Y o h n is at the forefront of the move to get these other claimants?

[Revlona]

I'm pretty sure they can find someone with a better claim than Bronze Yohn. House Royce's last marriage to an Arryn was ages ago, wasn't it?

This is fair enough.

I must confess that I'm not entirely excellent on the lineage of House Arryn. If this is the case, Rygondria, we can speculate the t h e B r o n z e Y o h n is at the forefront of the move to get these other claimants?

Hows my nights watch app?

[The New Byzantine II]

House being reserved: House Yronwood of Yronwood
Time stamp: 48 hours
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[Utceforp]

Group Name: Nights Watch
Culture:All
Leader:Jeor Mormant
Lands:The wall, all its castles, and the Gift.
Sovereign:Rheagar Targeryan (Though they part in no wars south of the wall)
Coat of Arms: A Black Shield

(Image)

Direct Forces/Vassal Forces:2,500
History of the House since 282 AC
282 AC to present- The Nights Watch Prospers with Rheagar as king.
Sometime after Roberts Rebellion- Brynden Tully and Benjen Stark join the Nights watch

429 - DO NOT REMOVE.

I don't think the Night's Watch is sworn to the Iron Throne technically.

[Yasuragi]

Group Name: Nights Watch
Culture:All
Leader:Jeor Mormant
Lands:The wall, all its castles, and the Gift.
Sovereign:Rheagar Targeryan (Though they part in no wars south of the wall)
Coat of Arms: A Black Shield

(Image)

Direct Forces/Vassal Forces:2,500
History of the House since 282 AC
282 AC to present- The Nights Watch Prospers with Rheagar as king.
Sometime after Roberts Rebellion- Brynden Tully and Benjen Stark join the Nights watch

429 - DO NOT REMOVE.

I don't think the Night's Watch is sworn to the Iron Throne technically.

De facto, yes they are. De jure, no they aren't.

The NW serves the realm; if the Targaryens die and the Iron Throne collapses, the realm still exists (albeit fragmented, perhaps), and the NW continues to serve. Rhaegar, however, has made it very clear that the NW's current prosperity and power comes at his leisure, and Jeor Mormont has reciprocated by humoring Rhaegar when he asks for information on wildlings, rangers, expeditions, etc, etc. Rhaegar doesn't expect loyalty in Westerosi conflicts from the NW -- he does expect the NW to serve him when some unknown threat comes, though.

In short, it's kinda complicated.

[Lithra]

Sworn to the Realm as a whole, but not the Throne.

[Utceforp]

Sworn to the Realm as a whole, but not the Throne.

Technically the "Realms" - The Night's Watch is several millennia older than a unified Westeros, and the Targaryens never actually "conquered" it.

[Revlona]

Group Name: Nights Watch
Culture:All
Leader:Jeor Mormant
Lands:The wall, all its castles, and the Gift.
Sovereign:They are sworn to the protection the Realm
Coat of Arms: A Black Shield

(Image)

Direct Forces/Vassal Forces:2,500
History of the House since 282 AC
282 AC to present- The Nights Watch Prospers with Rheagar as king.
Sometime after Roberts Rebellion- Brynden Tully and Benjen Stark join the Nights watch

429 - DO NOT REMOVE.

Hows that?

[Lithra]

Sworn to the Realm as a whole, but not the Throne.

Technically the "Realms" - The Night's Watch is several millennia older than a unified Westeros, and the Targaryens never actually "conquered" it.

That's very true. I stand corrected.

[Liecthenbourg]

This is fair enough.

I must confess that I'm not entirely excellent on the lineage of House Arryn. If this is the case, Rygondria, we can speculate the t h e B r o n z e Y o h n is at the forefront of the move to get these other claimants?

Hows my nights watch app?

I think its certainly bare.

It could certainly use a greater history, relating to its strengthening, the rebuilding of castles, great ranging, the visits they've received from people before, the rising in the ranks of Benjen and Brynden, what the much larger manpower pool has done for them.

However, I'm going to suggest that perhaps you look for a minor house beneath one of the major ones of the ones remaining.

House being reserved: House Yronwood of Yronwood
Time stamp: 48 hours
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Noted.

[Krugmar]

In an effort to try and balance troop numbers, and ensure that Lord Paramounts/Wardens remain both strong in their own right, but also dependent on their bannermen, We've revised the provisional ORBAT created by Lunas.

New ORBAT.

Please amend your troop numbers accordingly, and add in knights based on the scaling provided. We realise these numbers aren't completely akin to the numbers put by GRRM in his books, or additional material, so please don't point that out.

[Lithra]

Knights included separate from the total or included?

[Krugmar]

Knights included separate from the total or included?

Include them separately, for example '3,000 levy + 350 knights'