1810 Age of Imperialism, Empires and Expansion OOC [OPEN]

[Chewion]

He'll trade with Britain once India becomes British India, eh?

"British India"
Nah boi, we gon be independent.
Now, i need to think of a way to Improve the country.
Economy's good, of course, due to trade.
Hmm

Your economy is shitty. Your only good is spices.

[Skarten]

"British India"
Nah boi, we gon be independent.
Now, i need to think of a way to Improve the country.
Economy's good, of course, due to trade.
Hmm

Your economy is shitty. Your only good is spices.

My economy isn't shitty.
Who said that?
It's good.
Trades, Resources.
Just because Independent india wasn't that great by the 18th century, that doesn't mean i'm not.

[Hothnia]

Your economy is shitty. Your only good is spices.

My economy isn't shitty.
Who said that?
It's good.
Trades, Resources.
Just because Independent india wasn't that great by the 18th century, that doesn't mean i'm not.

At this time, any economy that isn't in Europe or semi-industrialized is shitty. Your economy would be very shitty, worse than Russia's. Especially since no one is willing to trade with you.

[Skarten]

My economy isn't shitty.
Who said that?
It's good.
Trades, Resources.
Just because Independent india wasn't that great by the 18th century, that doesn't mean i'm not.

At this time, any economy that isn't in Europe or semi-industrialized is shitty. Your economy would be very shitty, worse than Russia's. Especially since no one is willing to trade with you.

"No one wants to trade with me"
Yeah, Worse for you people.
Are the people leading all the european countries so dumb that they won't trade with India because they Might be a future target?
That's like saying "Oh i'm not Trading with America, because one day i'll try to invade them."

[Alaroma]

My economy isn't shitty.
Who said that?
It's good.
Trades, Resources.
Just because Independent india wasn't that great by the 18th century, that doesn't mean i'm not.

At this time, any economy that isn't in Europe or semi-industrialized is shitty. Your economy would be very shitty, worse than Russia's. Especially since no one is willing to trade with you.

Actually, just going to point out the Chinese economy was pretty good, and the Indian ones were good in the 18th century. However they slowed down in the 19th century without Industrialization, and then events such as the Opium Wars occurred.

[Skarten]

At this time, any economy that isn't in Europe or semi-industrialized is shitty. Your economy would be very shitty, worse than Russia's. Especially since no one is willing to trade with you.

Actually, just going to point out the Chinese economy was pretty good, and the Indian ones were good in the 18th century. However they slowed down in the 19th century without Industrialization, and then events such as the Opium Wars occurred.

We're in early 18th Century.
India is independent as of now, and the Maharajah's (2 that have been leading it until now), Want to industrialize india.

[Alaroma]

Actually, just going to point out the Chinese economy was pretty good, and the Indian ones were good in the 18th century. However they slowed down in the 19th century without Industrialization, and then events such as the Opium Wars occurred.

We're in early 18th Century.
India is independent as of now, and the Maharajah's (2 that have been leading it until now), Want to industrialize india.

Wrong, we are in the 19th Century, the Century Europe dominates the market.

[Skarten]

We're in early 18th Century.
India is independent as of now, and the Maharajah's (2 that have been leading it until now), Want to industrialize india.

Wrong, we are in the 19th Century, the Century Europe dominates the market.

Oh yeah forgot that.
But that's because they colonized half the world.
They had india, they had America.
If they never colonized india in this timeline, my economy would be pretty Good.
Also,i feel like you people are basing my country too much on the British raj or Declining mughal empire.
It's not the same Poor crappy india,darnit.

[Hothnia]

We're in early 18th Century.
India is independent as of now, and the Maharajah's (2 that have been leading it until now), Want to industrialize india.

Wrong, we are in the 19th Century, the Century Europe dominates the market.

And, as said before, none of the major powers want to trade with you. ( Maybe Qing would)

Wrong, we are in the 19th Century, the Century Europe dominates the market.

Oh yeah forgot that.
But that's because they colonized half the world.
They had india, they had America.
If they never colonized india in this timeline, my economy would be pretty Good.
Also,i feel like you people are basing my country too much on the British raj or Declining mughal empire.
It's not the same Poor crappy india,darnit.

Not at this time, they didn't have America. And Europe still owns half of the world. And you've been getting no western investment, which equals no industry, which equals lagging economy

[Skarten]

Wrong, we are in the 19th Century, the Century Europe dominates the market.

And, as said before, none of the major powers want to trade with you. ( Maybe Qing would)

Oh yeah forgot that.
But that's because they colonized half the world.
They had india, they had America.
If they never colonized india in this timeline, my economy would be pretty Good.
Also,i feel like you people are basing my country too much on the British raj or Declining mughal empire.
It's not the same Poor crappy india,darnit.

Not at this time, they didn't have America. And Europe still owns half of the world. And you've been getting no western investment, which equals no industry, which equals lagging economy

And why woudn't they trade?
That doesn't seem to make any sense since Spices were still Pretty popular by that time.
You're all just not trading with me because you aren't being realistic and want to take over india.
Really, that doesn't make sense.
In the last RP I had of strategy, which this RP even got it's app from, It was the end of the 19th century and early 20th Century. I traded with my arch-nemesis for a long time, like.
We were THIS near of getting in war and we still traded, in a point where we made a blockade which sparkled a giant World-wide war.
So why woudn't the european powers trade with india?
Seems like foolishness to me.

[Hothnia]

And, as said before, none of the major powers want to trade with you. ( Maybe Qing would)



Not at this time, they didn't have America. And Europe still owns half of the world. And you've been getting no western investment, which equals no industry, which equals lagging economy

And why woudn't they trade?
That doesn't seem to make any sense since Spices were still Pretty popular by that time.
You're all just not trading with me because you aren't being realistic and want to take over india.
Really, that doesn't make sense.
In the last RP I had of strategy, which this RP even got it's app from, It was the end of the 19th century and early 20th Century. I traded with my arch-nemesis for a long time, like.
We were THIS near of getting in war and we still traded, in a point where we made a blockade which sparkled a giant World-wide war.
So why woudn't the european powers trade with india?
Seems like foolishness to me.

Why would we trade with a nation we are likely to invade? And like I believe Conquest said earlier, spices aren't nearly as popular as they were in the 17th century. So, the European nations (and Japan) don't really need you. Plus, spices can be found in massive quantities in Micronesia, the Philippine islands, and Indonesia, all potential colonies of Europe. (Or Japan). The fact of the matter is, you need us to trade with you wayyyy more than we need you. Europe doesn't need India. Why would we trade with a future colony?

[Skarten]

And why woudn't they trade?
That doesn't seem to make any sense since Spices were still Pretty popular by that time.
You're all just not trading with me because you aren't being realistic and want to take over india.
Really, that doesn't make sense.
In the last RP I had of strategy, which this RP even got it's app from, It was the end of the 19th century and early 20th Century. I traded with my arch-nemesis for a long time, like.
We were THIS near of getting in war and we still traded, in a point where we made a blockade which sparkled a giant World-wide war.
So why woudn't the european powers trade with india?
Seems like foolishness to me.

Why would we trade with a nation we are likely to invade? And like I believe Conquest said earlier, spices aren't nearly as popular as they were in the 17th century. So, the European nations (and Japan) don't really need you. Plus, spices can be found in massive quantities in Micronesia, the Philippine islands, and Indonesia, all potential colonies of Europe. (Or Japan). The fact of the matter is, you need us to trade with you wayyyy more than we need you. Europe doesn't need India. Why would we trade with a future colony?

So, you're telling me,
They just ceased trading with India suddenly,
Because an new, Christian,Pro-European Government has taken control of india, all because in the future you might try to colonize us?
God, i would understand from a OOC point that you just like Conquering other players just because, but for a IC point of view, this would be considered a Horrible decision, and any sensible ruler would agree with it.
Gotta say, you're looking this too much from a "I'll invade them Because i want to lol".

[Hothnia]

Why would we trade with a nation we are likely to invade? And like I believe Conquest said earlier, spices aren't nearly as popular as they were in the 17th century. So, the European nations (and Japan) don't really need you. Plus, spices can be found in massive quantities in Micronesia, the Philippine islands, and Indonesia, all potential colonies of Europe. (Or Japan). The fact of the matter is, you need us to trade with you wayyyy more than we need you. Europe doesn't need India. Why would we trade with a future colony?

So, you're telling me,
They just ceased trading with India suddenly,
Because an new, Christian,Pro-European Government has taken control of india, all because in the future you might try to colonize us?
God, i would understand from a OOC point that you just like Conquering other players just because, but for a IC point of view, this would be considered a Horrible decision, and any sensible ruler would agree with it.
Gotta say, you're looking this too much from a "I'll invade them Because i want to lol".

No, if you knew about Anglo-Saxon history (which it seems you do not), you would no that the subcontinent of India was one of Britain's early goals of colonization, just because of the massed amounts of natural resources. So no, I'm not trying to invade other players and it was wrong of you to assume that. If I was just looking to invade other players, would I be starting a coalition to attack an NPC? Would I look to help Hungary, Japan, and Sweden in territorial solidarity and gains, just to invade them later. No, I think not. I'm just trying to play historically accurate. So, what would an 1810 democratic imperial Britain do? Keep Anglo-Franco relations steady? Check. Keep Europe mostly intact? Check. End the reign of the Muslim world on Africa? Check. Establish yourself as the dominant naval power? Check. Colonize places with vast amounts of natural resources? Check. Avoid helping future colonies? Check. So, I really don't think I'm targeting player controlled nations, I'm just trying to keep with estimated alternate historical timelines.

[Skarten]

So, you're telling me,
They just ceased trading with India suddenly,
Because an new, Christian,Pro-European Government has taken control of india, all because in the future you might try to colonize us?
God, i would understand from a OOC point that you just like Conquering other players just because, but for a IC point of view, this would be considered a Horrible decision, and any sensible ruler would agree with it.
Gotta say, you're looking this too much from a "I'll invade them Because i want to lol".

No, if you knew about Anglo-Saxon history (which it seems you do not), you would no that the subcontinent of India was one of Britain's early goals of colonization, just because of the massed amounts of natural resources. So no, I'm not trying to invade other players and it was wrong of you to assume that. If I was just looking to invade other players, would I be starting a coalition to attack an NPC? Would I look to help Hungary, Japan, and Sweden in territorial solidarity and gains, just to invade them later. No, I think not. I'm just trying to play historically accurate. So, what would an 1810 democratic imperial Britain do? Keep Anglo-Franco relations steady? Check. Keep Europe mostly intact? Check. End the reign of the Muslim world on Africa? Check. Establish yourself as the dominant naval power? Check. Colonize places with vast amounts of natural resources? Check. Avoid helping future colonies? Check. So, I really don't think I'm targeting player controlled nations, I'm just trying to keep with estimated alternate historical timelines.

Sure, have fun
But if you try to put a hand on india, you'll meet the short end of my Talwar.

[Alaroma]

Side note, apparently the Philippines has a lot of good land= PLANTAIONS

[Skarten]

You all from europe just think you can invade India and get away with it out of nothing?
India is going to burn before you put your hands on it. And you won't get anything out of a burned india.

[Nuverikstan]

Why would we trade with a nation we are likely to invade? And like I believe Conquest said earlier, spices aren't nearly as popular as they were in the 17th century. So, the European nations (and Japan) don't really need you. Plus, spices can be found in massive quantities in Micronesia, the Philippine islands, and Indonesia, all potential colonies of Europe. (Or Japan). The fact of the matter is, you need us to trade with you wayyyy more than we need you. Europe doesn't need India. Why would we trade with a future colony?

So, you're telling me,
They just ceased trading with India suddenly,
Because an new, Christian,Pro-European Government has taken control of india, all because in the future you might try to colonize us?
God, i would understand from a OOC point that you just like Conquering other players just because, but for a IC point of view, this would be considered a Horrible decision, and any sensible ruler would agree with it.
Gotta say, you're looking this too much from a "I'll invade them Because i want to lol".

There is a very reasonable history that can be created, as to why Europe has begun cutting ties with you.

Europe originally traded with India during the 18th Century. However, as time passed, spices began to die in popularity. On top of this, both the Mughals and Maratha Confederations had fallen to a new empire from Cochin. This empire was attempting to be on equal footing with the Europeans. Not liking a shift in the balance of power, decided to begin trading more with Indonesia and less with this new Indian Empire.

[Nations United for Conquest]

[box]
Nation name: The Republic of Germany [RoG]

National Ideology: Ultranationalism

Nation's Leader(s): Prime Minister Alaro Kuhn, King Sigmund Graffen

National Government Type: Modified Parlimentry Democracy

National history: Unified in the late days of the 1600s, the Kingdom of Germany was a rising power in the European contient, quickly rising to the levels of her neighbors France and Poland, quickly growing into a hot spot of middle Europe, much to the dishust of the Swedish who had robbed the loose confederation of their rightful land years earlier. Then the 18th century rolled around and the face of Europe began to change. Hot on the heels of the Republican revolutions in the other parts of Europe, the German Kingdom, barely two centuries old found itself caught up in the frantic change. Republicans soon found their way to Germany at the middle of the revolutions to a pleasant surprise. The blood of a monarch was not needed to bring Germany into the light of the Republican way. The King, having seen other countries rip themselves apart to foster these new ideas agreed to enstate a government, and advicated power, loving his country more than his title. In response he was allowed to remain as a symbol of the country, despite having no power, and now rests, with no heirs, as the final King of Germany

Language: German

National Religion: Promedantly Secular governmentally, with lingering Catholic ideals still present in a majority of the population. Many Germans would consider themselves catholics, but few are regular attendies to chruch, and even fewer devote followers than present in other parts of Europe.

National Race/Culture/Identity: Mostly German with small percentages of Czech, Austrian, and French mixed in

Territory: I believe I already posted it

Capital City: Gesno

Population: 27 Million


MILITARY STATISTICS

Head General: Siegfried Von Junip

Generals Staff: General Edwin Mascit, General Heinricht Hunsburg, General Lutz Von Kiron

Military strength: 405,000 Total [1.5%]

1. List the Branches of your Military and their Manpower Size:

• German Republican Army: 205,000
• German Reublican Marine Corps: 50,000
• German Republican Navy: 100,000
• German Republican Guard[Cavalry]: 25,000
• German Republican Jäger Corps[Rifle Man]: 20,000

2. List size of naval forces if any:

• 1 1st Rate
• 2 2nd Rates
• 6 3rd Rates
• 10 4th Rates
• 20 some ships with lesser power than a 4th rate

3. List amount of artillery, if any: Some guns number well above 500

ARMAMENT


Infantry:

Primary Weapon: Model 1806 German Percussion Cap Musket | Model 1808 Schütze Rifle

Secondary Weapon: Percussion Cap pistol[Officers]

Melee Weapon: Bayonet | Saber[Officers]

Uniform: Best I could find

Pack gear: Third Days of Food | Sewing Kit | Water | 50 shot | Various indivisual items

Greatest Strengths: Extreme Discipline [Less likely to run off | More professional]

Greatest Weaknesses: Our bright blue uniforms are even bad at sea

Specialty: Fast Reload


Cavalry:

Primary Weapon: Model 1805 Percussion Cap Carbine

Secondary Weapon: Percussion Cap pistol

Melee Weapon: Saber | Spear

Uniform: I imagine they are charging Swedish Lines

Pack gear: 1 Days food | Sweing Kit | 15 shot | Sharpening kit

Greatest Strengths: Excellent melee fighters

Greatest Weaknesses: Headstrong

Specialty: Shock Tactics [Disrupting enemy formations]


Artillery:

Cannon Type(s): Various weighting from 4-20 pound cannons

Mortar Type(s): Yes

Rockets:(yes/no): Why not

Howitzer Type(s): 24 pound

Shell types: Standard, Grapeshot, explosive

Men per artillery crew: 3-5 depends

Mules/Horses: 2-6 Depends on type

Ships

1. Ship Class: 1st Rate
2. armament: 90 Cannons
3. Crew: 800

1. Ship Class: 2nd Rate
2. armament: 75 Cannons
3. Crew: 600

1. Ship Class: 3rd Rate
2. armament: 68 Cannons
3. Crew: 400

1. Ship Class: 4th Rate
2. armament: 55 Cannons
3. Crew: 300

A few Ironclads thrown in for good measure

Accompaniments: Some times

Please remember to post this to the Archive Thread

Fuck this app. Really. 1800s military research sucks

Anyways, I know I got a little lazy towards the end

[Skarten]

So, you're telling me,
They just ceased trading with India suddenly,
Because an new, Christian,Pro-European Government has taken control of india, all because in the future you might try to colonize us?
God, i would understand from a OOC point that you just like Conquering other players just because, but for a IC point of view, this would be considered a Horrible decision, and any sensible ruler would agree with it.
Gotta say, you're looking this too much from a "I'll invade them Because i want to lol".

There is a very reasonable history that can be created, as to why Europe has begun cutting ties with you.

Europe originally traded with India during the 18th Century. However, as time passed, spices began to die in popularity. On top of this, both the Mughals and Maratha Confederations had fallen to a new empire from Cochin. This empire was attempting to be on equal footing with the Europeans. Not liking a shift in the balance of power, decided to begin trading more with Indonesia and less with this new Indian Empire.

Well, people seem to be doing this just for the lolz.
But they'll regret it.
Oh,they will

[Nations United for Conquest]

There is a very reasonable history that can be created, as to why Europe has begun cutting ties with you.

Europe originally traded with India during the 18th Century. However, as time passed, spices began to die in popularity. On top of this, both the Mughals and Maratha Confederations had fallen to a new empire from Cochin. This empire was attempting to be on equal footing with the Europeans. Not liking a shift in the balance of power, decided to begin trading more with Indonesia and less with this new Indian Empire.

Well, people seem to be doing this just for the lolz.
But they'll regret it.
Oh,they will

Sure, sure

[Hothnia]

When the German Army and the British Army are almost the exact same thing, minus the uniforms.

[Nuverikstan]

[box]
Nation name: The Republic of Germany [RoG]

National Ideology: Ultranationalism

Nation's Leader(s): Prime Minister Alaro Kuhn, King Sigmund Graffen

National Government Type: Modified Parlimentry Democracy

National history: Unified in the late days of the 1600s, the Kingdom of Germany was a rising power in the European contient, quickly rising to the levels of her neighbors France and Poland, quickly growing into a hot spot of middle Europe, much to the dishust of the Swedish who had robbed the loose confederation of their rightful land years earlier. Then the 18th century rolled around and the face of Europe began to change. Hot on the heels of the Republican revolutions in the other parts of Europe, the German Kingdom, barely two centuries old found itself caught up in the frantic change. Republicans soon found their way to Germany at the middle of the revolutions to a pleasant surprise. The blood of a monarch was not needed to bring Germany into the light of the Republican way. The King, having seen other countries rip themselves apart to foster these new ideas agreed to enstate a government, and advicated power, loving his country more than his title. In response he was allowed to remain as a symbol of the country, despite having no power, and now rests, with no heirs, as the final King of Germany

Language: German

National Religion: Promedantly Secular governmentally, with lingering Catholic ideals still present in a majority of the population. Many Germans would consider themselves catholics, but few are regular attendies to chruch, and even fewer devote followers than present in other parts of Europe.

National Race/Culture/Identity: Mostly German with small percentages of Czech, Austrian, and French mixed in

Territory: I believe I already posted it

Capital City: Gesno

Population: 27 Million


MILITARY STATISTICS

Head General: Siegfried Von Junip

Generals Staff: General Edwin Mascit, General Heinricht Hunsburg, General Lutz Von Kiron

Military strength: 405,000 Total [1.5%]

1. List the Branches of your Military and their Manpower Size:

• German Republican Army: 205,000
• German Reublican Marine Corps: 50,000
• German Republican Navy: 100,000
• German Republican Guard[Cavalry]: 25,000
• German Republican Jäger Corps[Rifle Man]: 20,000

2. List size of naval forces if any:

• 1 1st Rate
• 2 2nd Rates
• 6 3rd Rates
• 10 4th Rates
• 20 some ships with lesser power than a 4th rate

3. List amount of artillery, if any: Some guns number well above 500

ARMAMENT


Infantry:

Primary Weapon: Model 1806 German Percussion Cap Musket | Model 1808 Schütze Rifle

Secondary Weapon: Percussion Cap pistol[Officers]

Melee Weapon: Bayonet | Saber[Officers]

Uniform: Best I could find

Pack gear: Third Days of Food | Sewing Kit | Water | 50 shot | Various indivisual items

Greatest Strengths: Extreme Discipline [Less likely to run off | More professional]

Greatest Weaknesses: Our bright blue uniforms are even bad at sea

Specialty: Fast Reload


Cavalry:

Primary Weapon: Model 1805 Percussion Cap Carbine

Secondary Weapon: Percussion Cap pistol

Melee Weapon: Saber | Spear

Uniform: I imagine they are charging Swedish Lines

Pack gear: 1 Days food | Sweing Kit | 15 shot | Sharpening kit

Greatest Strengths: Excellent melee fighters

Greatest Weaknesses: Headstrong

Specialty: Shock Tactics [Disrupting enemy formations]


Artillery:

Cannon Type(s): Various weighting from 4-20 pound cannons

Mortar Type(s): Yes

Rockets:(yes/no): Why not

Howitzer Type(s): 24 pound

Shell types: Standard, Grapeshot, explosive

Men per artillery crew: 3-5 depends

Mules/Horses: 2-6 Depends on type

Ships

1. Ship Class: 1st Rate
2. armament: 90 Cannons
3. Crew: 800

1. Ship Class: 2nd Rate
2. armament: 75 Cannons
3. Crew: 600

1. Ship Class: 3rd Rate
2. armament: 68 Cannons
3. Crew: 400

1. Ship Class: 4th Rate
2. armament: 55 Cannons
3. Crew: 300

A few Ironclads thrown in for good measure

Accompaniments: Some times

Please remember to post this to the Archive Thread

Fuck this app. Really. 1800s military research sucks

Anyways, I know I got a little lazy towards the end

Finally! This is accepted!

[Hothnia]

Well, people seem to be doing this just for the lolz.
But they'll regret it.
Oh,they will

Sure, sure

Will we now?

[Nations United for Conquest]

Sure, sure

Will we now?

Do I hear Crusade 2.0: India Edition?

[Nations United for Conquest]

When the German Army and the British Army are almost the exact same thing, minus the uniforms.

You mean number wise or like skills und weapons und shit?