1900 : Alternative Divergence [AH][DEAD]

[Tracian Empire]

Well, while I certainly appreciate your enthusiasm - no one else has been writing their history as of now. We're two or three weeks away from when we plan to launch our roleplay, so there is a lot of time until any official reservations can be put in place. Old players can do their thing, as an example, I will put some effort into reorganizing my empire and developing my history with what I already have. But new players can't do that.

So it would be the best to just think of whatever idea you'd like to roleplay with the most, and leave the actual work for when the reservations will begin to be made.

Are Oscal, Eralian, and the others in the OP-board available for this?

Yes. Oscal, Elerian and Novacom have been discussing new colonial and claiming rules in the OP board chat for the past few days, and we are doing our best to start working on this.

[Axis Asteroid]

Are Oscal, Eralian, and the others in the OP-board available for this?

Yes. Oscal, Elerian and Novacom have been discussing new colonial and claiming rules in the OP board chat for the past few days, and we are doing our best to start working on this.

Nice. Has it been decided what year the reboot will take place yet?

[Arventum]

Yes. Oscal, Elerian and Novacom have been discussing new colonial and claiming rules in the OP board chat for the past few days, and we are doing our best to start working on this.

Nice. Has it been decided what year the reboot will take place yet?

I was told that it would be somewhere around 1850, but that might not be the final date. I asked the exact same question xD Trace deals with it every time someone shows up.

[Axis Asteroid]

Nice. Has it been decided what year the reboot will take place yet?

I was told that it would be somewhere around 1850, but that might not be the final date. I asked the exact same question xD Trace deals with it every time someone shows up.

Peculiar, considering that timeline has already been covered in previous incarnation of this RP. Sometimes returning to the roots might be the best way forward though.

[Tracian Empire]

Yes. Oscal, Elerian and Novacom have been discussing new colonial and claiming rules in the OP board chat for the past few days, and we are doing our best to start working on this.

Nice. Has it been decided what year the reboot will take place yet?

Not so far, unfortunately. There are multiple ideas, and from what I remember, 1850 was the one that was most plausible, but I haven't had the time to properly check the discussion in the past few days.

[Axis Asteroid]

Nice. Has it been decided what year the reboot will take place yet?

Not so far, unfortunately. There are multiple ideas, and from what I remember, 1850 was the one that was most plausible, but I haven't had the time to properly check the discussion in the past few days.

Well, there's plenty of time to hash it out. Debating whether to roleplay as the Goths again or go with the Vandals this time around.

Heavily leaning in favor of the latter though. Have a new rivalry between Rome and Carthage, a possible Punic War in the nineteenth/twentieth century and all that.

[Arventum]

Oh, wow. That's, like, a massive population. I'm gonna have to have done some kind of personal union or two between the Sikh and others. Maybe the Mysore and Sri Lankan. That is the only way that I would be able to control the entire country of this mega-Sikh Empire. Even the Sikh had their limits, I suppose.

"Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Lakshadweep Islands, the Maldives"

Q_Q Why tho? I mean, maybe I should just keep to Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, Lakshadweep Islands, and the Maldives, but then it looks weird.

I'll just cut the Maldives. Pakistan, India, and Afghanistan are completely necessary. Sri Lanka would be super nice to have, but... oh, wait, not IRL borders.

I don't have to worry about looks. Lemme do the cut down.

[Tracian Empire]

Not so far, unfortunately. There are multiple ideas, and from what I remember, 1850 was the one that was most plausible, but I haven't had the time to properly check the discussion in the past few days.

Well, there's plenty of time to hash it out. Debating whether to roleplay as the Goths again or go with the Vandals this time around.

Heavily leaning in favor of the latter though. Have a new rivalry between Rome and Carthage, a possible Punic War in the nineteenth/twentieth century and all that.

Such a rivalry could be interesting, but we might be a little too far away for a new and updated Punic War

[Axis Asteroid]

Well, there's plenty of time to hash it out. Debating whether to roleplay as the Goths again or go with the Vandals this time around.

Heavily leaning in favor of the latter though. Have a new rivalry between Rome and Carthage, a possible Punic War in the nineteenth/twentieth century and all that.

Such a rivalry could be interesting, but we might be a little too far away for a new and updated Punic War

Perhaps a rivalry would not exactly be guaranteed either. Constantinople might be willing to break bread with their neighbors in Africa, provided they could suffer the heresy of Arians lol.

[Arventum]

So, any suggestions for how to control large populations? I mean, most of India would be largely inferior to a combination of Sikh and Mysorean forces, but still.

I need to brush up on my control methods. The Sikh had a super easy time controlling things, even with a 70% Muslim majority, because of the nature of their religion (which led to pseudo-secular things being implemented), and also because they were badass af, but warfare is something that I've always been the worst at, tbh.

[Tracian Empire]

Such a rivalry could be interesting, but we might be a little too far away for a new and updated Punic War

Perhaps a rivalry would not exactly be guaranteed either. Constantinople might be willing to break bread with their neighbors in Africa, provided they could suffer the heresy of Arians lol.

Well, it would be kinda difficult for the Orthodox Church (The Romans will have the Patriarchies of Constantinople, Antioch and Jerusalem at least), to accept such a filthy heresy

But it will depend on the situation around the Mediterranean.

[Arventum]

Is it okay that I'm bad at warfare, tho, or is that super necessary? I'm not sure how war-focused you guys are.

[Axis Asteroid]

Perhaps a rivalry would not exactly be guaranteed either. Constantinople might be willing to break bread with their neighbors in Africa, provided they could suffer the heresy of Arians lol.

Well, it would be kinda difficult for the Orthodox Church (The Romans will have the Patriarchies of Constantinople, Antioch and Jerusalem at least), to accept such a filthy heresy

But it will depend on the situation around the Mediterranean.

At the very least, the Rashidun Caliphate will be stymied at a very early point when they cross North Africa, if the Romans and the Sassanids haven't already thoroughly crushed them from the get go.

[Axis Asteroid]

Is it okay that I'm bad at warfare, tho, or is that super necessary? I'm not sure how war-focused you guys are.

War is a large component of the RP, both on the ground and naval level.

EDIT: But diplomacy plays a significant, if not greater role too.

[Arventum]

Is it okay that I'm bad at warfare, tho, or is that super necessary? I'm not sure how war-focused you guys are.

War is a large component of the RP, both on the ground and naval level.

I'm not great at it, but I think I can manage. I just wish that I was better, but it's always been my worst area as a nation roleplayer. At least I'm not terrible, and have a rough understanding, I guess.

[Tracian Empire]

Well, it would be kinda difficult for the Orthodox Church (The Romans will have the Patriarchies of Constantinople, Antioch and Jerusalem at least), to accept such a filthy heresy

But it will depend on the situation around the Mediterranean.

At the very least, the Rashidun Caliphate will be stymied at a very early point when they cross North Africa, if the Romans and the Sassanids haven't already thoroughly crushed them from the get go.

That's the issue, I suppose. The situation of Islam is yet to be decided, but there is a certain dissatisfaction with the fact that Islam has been crushed so thoroughly. So we might see an Islamic Caliphate somewhere on the map in this iteration of the roleplay.

[Tracian Empire]

Is it okay that I'm bad at warfare, tho, or is that super necessary? I'm not sure how war-focused you guys are.

To be honest, we generally haven't had that many wars, but wars always remain a possibility.

[Axis Asteroid]

At the very least, the Rashidun Caliphate will be stymied at a very early point when they cross North Africa, if the Romans and the Sassanids haven't already thoroughly crushed them from the get go.

That's the issue, I suppose. The situation of Islam is yet to be decided, but there is a certain dissatisfaction with the fact that Islam has been crushed so thoroughly. So we might see an Islamic Caliphate somewhere on the map in this iteration of the roleplay.

*Deus Vult intensifies.

I think there is something poetic about the combined armies of Christ and Ahura Mazda crushing upstart desert nomads, but hey, that might just be me.

[Arventum]

In my nation, their seat of power will be extremely highly developed, with even the poor in their capital (Lahore) having wealth that the poor in other cities will find admirable, while other parts of the country are... well, not. To give an approximation, the seat of power of the Sikh Empire is known to be quite grand with beautiful cities that strive to be a paradise as grand as the Aztek cities of yore, while other parts of the country can be so undeveloped that disease can and will run rampant.

Is it okay that I'm bad at warfare, tho, or is that super necessary? I'm not sure how war-focused you guys are.

To be honest, we generally haven't had that many wars, but wars always remain a possibility.

Thanks ^_^ The Sikh Empire wasn't known to have super great relationships with some of its neighbors, and like India IRL will likely have problems with whatever China is here. In fact, one of the best relationships they had was with the French. They even had Europeans, largely from France, serving in the military.

[Arventum]

If the Sikh managed to use Mughal tech for running water, and Lahore stayed the gem that it had been at some points in time (it had the traits I mention about its wealth IRL; it was super lavish, and wealth ran rampant), then that's feasible, I guess.

[Axis Asteroid]

So, any suggestions for how to control large populations? I mean, most of India would be largely inferior to a combination of Sikh and Mysorean forces, but still.

I need to brush up on my control methods. The Sikh had a super easy time controlling things, even with a 70% Muslim majority, because of the nature of their religion (which led to pseudo-secular things being implemented), and also because they were badass af, but warfare is something that I've always been the worst at, tbh.

As was stated previously, take into account earlier history and the history of other player's both to allow yourself more freedom and give you a better handle of the area.

You could save yourself the trouble of dealing with a hostile Muslim population by preventing the invasion of the Timurids into India in the first place, thereby preventing the spread of Islam into the region.

It's also very likely you won't even have to worry about Islam in the area since the religion is usually suppressed by combined might of the Eastern Roman Empire and Sassanid Persia early on, the latter of which remains Zoroastrian. If anything, you might have to worry about a Zoroastrian and Zunist population in Afghanistan and the nearby area as a Sikh nation.

If you wanted, Buddhist and Jain populations would be relatively more docile than Hindu populations, and there was a period in the early middle ages where the three faiths vied for supremacy in the area. Provided the proper justifications in your history, Hinduism can also be reduced to one of the minor faiths to the advantage of the Sikhs.

Keep in mind that there are limits imposed on players for balance purposes though. Last time, no one player was allowed control of the entire Indian subcontinent, and colonial powers had to slice it up like a cake and divide it between themselves.

[Arventum]

So, any suggestions for how to control large populations? I mean, most of India would be largely inferior to a combination of Sikh and Mysorean forces, but still.

I need to brush up on my control methods. The Sikh had a super easy time controlling things, even with a 70% Muslim majority, because of the nature of their religion (which led to pseudo-secular things being implemented), and also because they were badass af, but warfare is something that I've always been the worst at, tbh.

As was stated previously, take into account earlier history and the history of other player's both to allow yourself more freedom and give you a better handle of the area.

You could save yourself the trouble of dealing with a hostile Muslim population by preventing the invasion of the Timurids into India in the first place, thereby preventing the spread of Islam into the region.

It's also very likely you won't even have to worry about Islam in the area since the religion is usually suppressed by combined might of the Eastern Roman Empire and Sassanid Persia early on, the latter of which remains Zoroastrian. If anything, you might have to worry about a Zoroastrian and Zunist population in Afghanistan and the nearby area as a Sikh nation.

If you wanted, Buddhist and Jain populations would be relatively more docile than Hindu populations, and there was a period in the early middle ages where the three faiths vied for supremacy in the area. Provided the proper justifications in your history, Hinduism can also be reduced to one of the minor faiths to the advantage of the Sikhs.

Keep in mind that there are limits imposed on players for balance purposes though. Last time, no one player was allowed control of the entire Indian subcontinent, and colonial powers had to slice it up like a cake and divide it between themselves.

Oh, okay. I understand. That's why I'm creating the "Rift". You have highly developed areas and military might from the Sikh Empire, while the rest of India is more comparable to Europe in the Dark Ages being contrasted against those benefiting from the Golden Age of Islam.

Maybe I should just have Northern India, Mysore, and Pakistan/Afghanistan. That works out best. I'll do that.

Thanks for the heads up. I don't want to be OP ^_^

I will take everything you've said into heavy consideration.

[Remnants of Exilvania]

Imma just quickly reserve myself Finland, Nowgorod, Estonia, Latvia, Schemaiten, Teutonic EU IV Eastern Prussia, Neumark and Hinterpommern.

Time for the Knights to rise once again hehehehehe...

[Arventum]

Immaculate just quickly reserve myself Finland, Nowgorod, Estonia, Latvia, Schemaiten, Teutonic EU IV Eastern Prussia, Neumark and Hinterpommern.

Time for the Knights to rise once again hehehehehe...

:c That sounds dangerous.

*Pushes the Knights off of a ledge.*

[Axis Asteroid]

Oh, okay. I understand. That's why I'm creating the "Rift". You have highly developed areas and military might from the Sikh Empire, while the rest of India is more comparable to Europe in the Dark Ages being contrasted against those benefiting from the Golden Age of Islam.

Maybe I should just have Northern India, Mysore, and Pakistan/Afghanistan. That works out best. I'll do that.

Thanks for the heads up. I don't want to be OP ^_^

I will take everything you've said into heavy consideration.

That's the spirit! Always here to help.

If I were you though, I would try shooting for more of India anyway and see where it goes. You have nothing to lose by aiming high at first, since if the initial app is rejected, you could always readjust your territory afterwards.