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[G-Tech Corporation]

a) tone back your expansions or b) really get fucked by instability.

If I may, it actually doesn't sound that bad if the league were to split in the expansion, due to the individuals being spaced out and acting under the belief that they didn't need the league anymore, which puts the author is a position to play internal politics and go through a nice conquer, expand, develop kind of roleplay if that's something they're into.

That's not a bad shout. Fragmentation in to subsidiary Leagues or kingdoms might work too.

[Conwy-Shire]

That's not a bad shout. Fragmentation in to subsidiary Leagues or kingdoms might work too.

When I said we're getting a little long-winded, I wasn't saying that we should stop, and I'm still unconvinced on a number of your premises and generalisations, just as you appear to be with mine.

[G-Tech Corporation]

That's not a bad shout. Fragmentation in to subsidiary Leagues or kingdoms might work too.

When I said we're getting a little long-winded, I wasn't saying that we should stop, and I'm still unconvinced on a number of your premises and generalisations, just as you appear to be with mine.

Ah, my apologies. What else would you like to discuss? Like I said at the end, my objections are all partially grounded in fairness in a subject that is hard to quantify- I don't want to stiff you, or Ulls.

[Ulls]

When I said we're getting a little long-winded, I wasn't saying that we should stop, and I'm still unconvinced on a number of your premises and generalisations, just as you appear to be with mine.

Ah, my apologies. What else would you like to discuss? Like I said at the end, my objections are all partially grounded in fairness in a subject that is hard to quantify- I don't want to stiff you, or Ulls.

Stiff me how?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ah, my apologies. What else would you like to discuss? Like I said at the end, my objections are all partially grounded in fairness in a subject that is hard to quantify- I don't want to stiff you, or Ulls.

Stiff me how?

I though a bit of instability for doubling your territory in ten years was logical. It wouldn't be very fair of me to let Conwy quadruple his territory in the same period of time without at least equal ramifications, if not more.

[Leninist South Africa]

G-Tech, may you please adjust the world map, and give St. Petersburg to me?

[Conwy-Shire]

I though a bit of instability for doubling your territory in ten years was logical. It wouldn't be very fair of me to let Conwy quadruple his territory in the same period of time without at least equal ramifications, if not more.

At the same time Jeb has no field of expertise whilst mine is in Development Theory

[G-Tech Corporation]

I though a bit of instability for doubling your territory in ten years was logical. It wouldn't be very fair of me to let Conwy quadruple his territory in the same period of time without at least equal ramifications, if not more.

At the same time Jeb has no field of expertise whilst mine is in Development Theory

Mm, even so. One man is still one man, not all of humanity within his purview. I would be content to double the size of Helios with only minor instability, as a compromise to your Author's skill and his perhaps better designed governmental system.

[G-Tech Corporation]

G-Tech, may you please adjust the world map, and give St. Petersburg to me?

Sure, I'll make that change right now. Any color you prefer?

[Ulls]

At the same time Jeb has no field of expertise whilst mine is in Development Theory

Mm, even so. One man is still one man, not all of humanity within his purview. I would be content to double the size of Helios with only minor instability, as a compromise to your Author's skill and his perhaps better designed governmental system.

That's what I expect with the constant rebellions.

[Leninist South Africa]

G-Tech, may you please adjust the world map, and give St. Petersburg to me?

Sure, I'll make that change right now. Any color you prefer?

Just a colour that represents Russia well.

[Leninist South Africa]

Thanks G-Tech.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Been thinking about your succession laws... Why don't you just make the law that immortals can't be in political offices or something like that? Seems like a better solution then outright killing them...

[Conwy-Shire]

Mm, even so. One man is still one man, not all of humanity within his purview. I would be content to double the size of Helios with only minor instability, as a compromise to your Author's skill and his perhaps better designed governmental system.

That's no compromise at all compared to your last suggestion, and I'm not saying that I'm skilled or better at designing government; and the point of this RP is that one person can change the world, or have I misinterpreted your statement?

[G-Tech Corporation]

Been thinking about your succession laws... Why don't you just make the law that immortals can't be in political offices or something like that? Seems like a better solution then outright killing them...

The trouble is that laws only effectively bind those who choose to be bound by them. Simply by dint of their wealth of experience and knowledge, immortals are an existential danger to any country they set their courses against. You'll likely see what I mean soon in Ego, if I read that situation aright.

Mm, even so. One man is still one man, not all of humanity within his purview. I would be content to double the size of Helios with only minor instability, as a compromise to your Author's skill and his perhaps better designed governmental system.

That's no compromise at all compared to your last suggestion, and I'm not saying that I'm skilled or better at designing government; and the point of this RP is that one person can change the world, or have I misinterpreted your statement?

No compromise at all? I think it is a very fair compromise between the two possibilities of quadrupled land size with no appreciable instability and doubling land size with heavy instability.

Certainly one person can change the world- but one person's impact on the world is akin to a man turning a giant ship by hauling at the steering wheel. It will move as he steers it, but slowly, over time. It took six years for Viktor to proclaim the Imperium, ten for Norsca to develop longships. A fully fledged new system of government will take time to implement- and as far as I am concerned, ten years is too little time for that system to become so popular and universally accepted as to swallow up all polities around it within a hundred miles.

[Aidannadia]

How does time work in this roleplay exactly? Is it just inching along or are there regular time skips.

[G-Tech Corporation]

How does time work in this roleplay exactly? Is it just inching along or are there regular time skips.

For now, just inching. It has been particularly slow right now, but should pick up soon- we'll get a few years covered in the next couple IC pages. Once everyone feels that they've done enough setup/plotting and all that, we'll make a big timeskip of 10-25 years.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh, Aid? I'm not sure if you know this, but if your character has copper ore, it'll melt over even a simple campfire. That's the virtue of copper tools- they're very easy to soften and repair, as well as make in the first place.

[Leninist South Africa]

He's in Egypt, yeah?

[G-Tech Corporation]

He's in Egypt, yeah?

Closer to Nubia/Alodia, but yes.

[Aidannadia]

How does time work in this roleplay exactly? Is it just inching along or are there regular time skips.

For now, just inching. It has been particularly slow right now, but should pick up soon- we'll get a few years covered in the next couple IC pages. Once everyone feels that they've done enough setup/plotting and all that, we'll make a big timeskip of 10-25 years.

That makes sense.

I judging the possibility of the voyage up the white nile have died, or are just exploring the lakes. I'm unsure which is more fun.

Also I'm unsure what to do about a paranoid elder class with restless young people waiting for change. Such a time of change would have the elder's reigning it in no doubt, but where's the limit for the youth, where they decide they're just done.

Oh, Aid? I'm not sure if you know this, but if your character has copper ore, it'll melt over even a simple campfire. That's the virtue of copper tools- they're very easy to soften and repair, as well as make in the first place.

I was looking to make bronze in a few years, but the actual availability of copper ore is limited, as its all the way in what is today Ethiopia while I'm in Sudan. I didn't know copper was that easy, but what about tin or something.

Sure, I can send regular expeditions to supply us with it, and use the copper we have to some effectiveness- no doubt burning the dickens out of my hands in doing so.

[G-Tech Corporation]

For now, just inching. It has been particularly slow right now, but should pick up soon- we'll get a few years covered in the next couple IC pages. Once everyone feels that they've done enough setup/plotting and all that, we'll make a big timeskip of 10-25 years.

That makes sense.

I judging the possibility of the voyage up the white nile have died, or are just exploring the lakes. I'm unsure which is more fun.

Also I'm unsure what to do about a paranoid elder class with restless young people waiting for change. Such a time of change would have the elder's reigning it in no doubt, but where's the limit for the youth, where they decide they're just done.

Oh, Aid? I'm not sure if you know this, but if your character has copper ore, it'll melt over even a simple campfire. That's the virtue of copper tools- they're very easy to soften and repair, as well as make in the first place.

I was looking to make bronze in a few years, but the actual availability of copper ore is limited, as its all the way in what is today Ethiopia while I'm in Sudan. I didn't know copper was that easy, but what about tin or something.

Sure, I can send regular expeditions to supply us with it, and use the copper we have to some effectiveness- no doubt burning the dickens out of my hands in doing so.

I'll let you in on a dirty little geological secret- copper and iron ore occur in trace deposits almost everywhere worldwide, with few notable exceptions. So, though your Author's region of the world lacks close deposits of any depth or long term viability, it is completely within the realm of possibility that there are small retrievable sources of ore in their immediate vicinity.

Granted, you won't be able to build an industry off of them. But it should be plenty for a village's needs, and enough to impress some stodgy elders. Of course, that relies on your character knowing how to find ore deposits, but at the end of the day a few months/years of wandering around and burning rocks in campfires will see you through.

Tin is the real bitch for bronze. It only occurs in tightly specific geological regions, which Africa lacks at the surface depth that is easiest to retrieve.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Been thinking about your succession laws... Why don't you just make the law that immortals can't be in political offices or something like that? Seems like a better solution then outright killing them...

The trouble is that laws only effectively bind those who choose to be bound by them. Simply by dint of their wealth of experience and knowledge, immortals are an existential danger to any country they set their courses against. You'll likely see what I mean soon in Ego, if I read that situation aright.

That's no compromise at all compared to your last suggestion, and I'm not saying that I'm skilled or better at designing government; and the point of this RP is that one person can change the world, or have I misinterpreted your statement?

No compromise at all? I think it is a very fair compromise between the two possibilities of quadrupled land size with no appreciable instability and doubling land size with heavy instability.

Certainly one person can change the world- but one person's impact on the world is akin to a man turning a giant ship by hauling at the steering wheel. It will move as he steers it, but slowly, over time. It took six years for Viktor to proclaim the Imperium, ten for Norsca to develop longships. A fully fledged new system of government will take time to implement- and as far as I am concerned, ten years is too little time for that system to become so popular and universally accepted as to swallow up all polities around it within a hundred miles.

I guess, but you said your society is merit based right? Then why dont you judge a immortal by his actions and besides you have a secret police force. You can watch em 24/7 and if they do something you deem way to heretical or something of ilk. Kill em.

[G-Tech Corporation]

The trouble is that laws only effectively bind those who choose to be bound by them. Simply by dint of their wealth of experience and knowledge, immortals are an existential danger to any country they set their courses against. You'll likely see what I mean soon in Ego, if I read that situation aright.



No compromise at all? I think it is a very fair compromise between the two possibilities of quadrupled land size with no appreciable instability and doubling land size with heavy instability.

Certainly one person can change the world- but one person's impact on the world is akin to a man turning a giant ship by hauling at the steering wheel. It will move as he steers it, but slowly, over time. It took six years for Viktor to proclaim the Imperium, ten for Norsca to develop longships. A fully fledged new system of government will take time to implement- and as far as I am concerned, ten years is too little time for that system to become so popular and universally accepted as to swallow up all polities around it within a hundred miles.

I guess, but you said your society is merit based right? Then why dont you judge a immortal by his actions and besides you have a secret police force. You can watch em 24/7 and if they do something you deem way to heretical or something of ilk. Kill em.

Actually, the secret police are more like the "extremely obvious police to discourage sedition"

I'll think about it. Offhand the dangers of delegitimacy seem hard to get around, but it might merit a second look.

[Aidannadia]

Tin is the real bitch for bronze. It only occurs in tightly specific geological regions, which Africa lacks at the surface depth that is easiest to retrieve.

It seems the Egyptians got their tin by trading with other middle eastern groups. This creates a difficult situation for the village because that makes what would be Thebes the closest trading partner that would have it, given we don't have enough camels to send an expedition the the red sea, cross it, and trade with, say, what would become Persian groups or the like that would have it. Thebes is canonically established as having slaves from this very tribe. This also means that the only way to really retrieve the tin is through force, since I doubt a 'sophisticated city-state' like ancient Thebes would trade with us when they would be more likely to just take it from us, and winning such a battle would be even more difficult with a lack of bronze weapons.

Real sticky situation.