New Civilizations [OOC | Open]

[G-Tech Corporation]

That would be amusing.

Still wonder how the Imperium view Ego other than pagan force that must be subjugated.

Less subjugating than taming. It is natural that men should work together for the greater good, under the benevolent guidance of the Hegemon and his lineage, rather than striving for vapid personal gain or the glory of constructed social deliberations and cultural artifacts. Eventually all men will come to accept this truth, so long as it is made known to them.

Ego might draw the Imperium’s ire because of directly attempting to keep her people ignorant of the truth of salvation, and mired in the ignorant ways of their forefathers. It is the duty of upright men to remove backward leaders so that their people may be enlightened, if such leaders prove intractable.

[Ulls]

Still wonder how the Imperium view Ego other than pagan force that must be subjugated.

Less subjugating than taming. It is natural that men should work together for the greater good, under the benevolent guidance of the Hegemon and his lineage, rather than striving for vapid personal gain or the glory of constructed social deliberations and cultural artifacts. Eventually all men will come to accept this truth, so long as it is made known to them.

Ego might draw the Imperium’s ire because of directly attempting to keep her people ignorant of the truth of salvation, and mired in the ignorant ways of their forefathers. It is the duty of upright men to remove backward leaders so that their people may be enlightened, if such leaders prove intractable.

I can see that, and Ego would see that the Imperium's passive assimilation is actually forced through propaganda and listen to the "ramblings of an immortal madman" as it would be their duty to keep this sort of "truth" away from Ego as it poisons anything it touches in their eyes.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Less subjugating than taming. It is natural that men should work together for the greater good, under the benevolent guidance of the Hegemon and his lineage, rather than striving for vapid personal gain or the glory of constructed social deliberations and cultural artifacts. Eventually all men will come to accept this truth, so long as it is made known to them.

Ego might draw the Imperium’s ire because of directly attempting to keep her people ignorant of the truth of salvation, and mired in the ignorant ways of their forefathers. It is the duty of upright men to remove backward leaders so that their people may be enlightened, if such leaders prove intractable.

I can see that, and Ego would see that the Imperium's passive assimilation is actually forced through propaganda and listen to the "ramblings of an immortal madman" as it would be their duty to keep this sort of "truth" away from Ego as it poisons anything it touches in their eyes.

Eh, forced might be stretching it. The Imperium rarely annexes peaceful neighbors save where economic/social/cultural/familial/religious ties have made such integration desireable to both parties.

[Ulls]

I can see that, and Ego would see that the Imperium's passive assimilation is actually forced through propaganda and listen to the "ramblings of an immortal madman" as it would be their duty to keep this sort of "truth" away from Ego as it poisons anything it touches in their eyes.

Eh, forced might be stretching it. The Imperium rarely annexes peaceful neighbors save where economic/social/cultural/familial/religious ties have made such integration desireable to both parties.

True, but their people would see the Imperial Christianity be undesirable against the Night Owl and his Mandate.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Eh, forced might be stretching it. The Imperium rarely annexes peaceful neighbors save where economic/social/cultural/familial/religious ties have made such integration desireable to both parties.

True, but their people would see the Imperial Christianity be undesirable against the Night Owl and his Mandate.

I don’t think you ever answered my TG, but other people probably want to know- what exactly does the Mandate offer to its believers?

[Ulls]

True, but their people would see the Imperial Christianity be undesirable against the Night Owl and his Mandate.

I don’t think you ever answered my TG, but other people probably want to know- what exactly does the Mandate offer to its believers?

The Mandate is the supposed commandments of the Night Owl. There are five of them in total with other bounds made in the Mandate's Tudi Codex.

The Five go as follows:

1.) The Night Owl is the heartbeat of creation, the light of the void which all energy go back to him as it is given a new life in the void.
2.) Respect the Night Owl and have no other divine gods above him in your heart.
3.) Respect the world and all creation that man touches for man is steward to the limited things.
4.) Respect your fellow man, for he is brother and sister to you.
5.) Spread the Mandate and the Codex throughout the world for the demons and the Other Things will tempt you away from the path created by the Night Owl himself.

The Tudi Codex goes deeper in the various rules and proceeds of similar teachings from other religions, mostly from the Bible since Jeb grew up listing to it. There will be stories and parables edited and modified from tribes and also teachings of the various servant spirits of the Night Owl that evolved from their shamanic roots.

Ego won't used this as a state guide, but will have a constitution that will be based of it to have a use of federalism to keep the theocratic parts of the state from becoming too overly powerful and halting the civilization's growth.

[Yatzatz]

Again, I'M NOT PAGAN!
I do want to beat the Christians though.


OK, you know what? I actually am pagan. Only if you help me though.


Yeah, and if you can also help me destroy Yekrenia, I'll ally with you. I'll help with your military plans in East Asia. Not with the Sunset Invasion though; too far away.

If you can hold out when I make the naval outpost in Russia then we can make talk about it.

About how long would that take?

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Benefits of the Church of Jesus Christ Our Saviour
-Nutritionally-balanced diets
-Advanced Medical Care
-Not dying of cuts or broken bones

[G-Tech Corporation]

I don’t think you ever answered my TG, but other people probably want to know- what exactly does the Mandate offer to its believers?

The Mandate is the supposed commandments of the Night Owl. There are five of them in total with other bounds made in the Mandate's Tudi Codex.

The Five go as follows:

1.) The Night Owl is the heartbeat of creation, the light of the void which all energy go back to him as it is given a new life in the void.
2.) Respect the Night Owl and have no other divine gods above him in your heart.
3.) Respect the world and all creation that man touches for man is steward to the limited things.
4.) Respect your fellow man, for he is brother and sister to you.
5.) Spread the Mandate and the Codex throughout the world for the demons and the Other Things will tempt you away from the path created by the Night Owl himself.

The Tudi Codex goes deeper in the various rules and proceeds of similar teachings from other religions, mostly from the Bible since Jeb grew up listing to it. There will be stories and parables edited and modified from tribes and also teachings of the various servant spirits of the Night Owl that evolved from their shamanic roots.

Ego won't used this as a state guide, but will have a constitution that will be based of it to have a use of federalism to keep the theocratic parts of the state from becoming too overly powerful and halting the civilization's growth.

Hmm, good. Yes, this will do nicely.

Benefits of the Church of Jesus Christ Our Saviour
-Nutritionally-balanced diets
-Advanced Medical Care
-Not dying of cuts or broken bones

Well, they didn't call him the Great Physician for nothing.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I don’t think you ever answered my TG, but other people probably want to know- what exactly does the Mandate offer to its believers?

The Mandate is the supposed commandments of the Night Owl. There are five of them in total with other bounds made in the Mandate's Tudi Codex.

The Five go as follows:

1.) The Night Owl is the heartbeat of creation, the light of the void which all energy go back to him as it is given a new life in the void.
2.) Respect the Night Owl and have no other divine gods above him in your heart.
3.) Respect the world and all creation that man touches for man is steward to the limited things.
4.) Respect your fellow man, for he is brother and sister to you.
5.) Spread the Mandate and the Codex throughout the world for the demons and the Other Things will tempt you away from the path created by the Night Owl himself.

The Tudi Codex goes deeper in the various rules and proceeds of similar teachings from other religions, mostly from the Bible since Jeb grew up listing to it. There will be stories and parables edited and modified from tribes and also teachings of the various servant spirits of the Night Owl that evolved from their shamanic roots.

Ego won't used this as a state guide, but will have a constitution that will be based of it to have a use of federalism to keep the theocratic parts of the state from becoming too overly powerful and halting the civilization's growth.

I hope this is not the Jesus, "I have not come in peace, but with a sword," quote.

[The Olog-Hai]

The Mandate is the supposed commandments of the Night Owl. There are five of them in total with other bounds made in the Mandate's Tudi Codex.

The Five go as follows:

1.) The Night Owl is the heartbeat of creation, the light of the void which all energy go back to him as it is given a new life in the void.
2.) Respect the Night Owl and have no other divine gods above him in your heart.
3.) Respect the world and all creation that man touches for man is steward to the limited things.
4.) Respect your fellow man, for he is brother and sister to you.
5.) Spread the Mandate and the Codex throughout the world for the demons and the Other Things will tempt you away from the path created by the Night Owl himself.

The Tudi Codex goes deeper in the various rules and proceeds of similar teachings from other religions, mostly from the Bible since Jeb grew up listing to it. There will be stories and parables edited and modified from tribes and also teachings of the various servant spirits of the Night Owl that evolved from their shamanic roots.

Ego won't used this as a state guide, but will have a constitution that will be based of it to have a use of federalism to keep the theocratic parts of the state from becoming too overly powerful and halting the civilization's growth.

I hope this is not the Jesus, "I have not come in peace, but with a sword," quote.

No, number 2 is like the first 2 commandments: "I am the Lord thy god. You shall have no other god before me" (When I read that, it's in Leonard Nemoy's voice, because he voiced all the technology quotes for Civ 4)

[Holy Tedalonia]

I hope this is not the Jesus, "I have not come in peace, but with a sword," quote.

No, number 2 is like the first 2 commandments: "I am the Lord thy god. You shall have no other god before me" (When I read that, it's in Leonard Nemoy's voice, because he voiced all the technology quotes for Civ 4)

I know that, but I meant another passage where the Bible supported fighting for your beliefs. Could be interpreted from verbal to sword. Depends on how literally you take it. In the Bible is was labeled as "Sword of the Gospel." Somewhere in Mathews I think. I don't remember where exactly it is, but a good google search should get it done.

[Ulls]

The Mandate is the supposed commandments of the Night Owl. There are five of them in total with other bounds made in the Mandate's Tudi Codex.

The Five go as follows:

1.) The Night Owl is the heartbeat of creation, the light of the void which all energy go back to him as it is given a new life in the void.
2.) Respect the Night Owl and have no other divine gods above him in your heart.
3.) Respect the world and all creation that man touches for man is steward to the limited things.
4.) Respect your fellow man, for he is brother and sister to you.
5.) Spread the Mandate and the Codex throughout the world for the demons and the Other Things will tempt you away from the path created by the Night Owl himself.

The Tudi Codex goes deeper in the various rules and proceeds of similar teachings from other religions, mostly from the Bible since Jeb grew up listing to it. There will be stories and parables edited and modified from tribes and also teachings of the various servant spirits of the Night Owl that evolved from their shamanic roots.

Ego won't used this as a state guide, but will have a constitution that will be based of it to have a use of federalism to keep the theocratic parts of the state from becoming too overly powerful and halting the civilization's growth.

I hope this is not the Jesus, "I have not come in peace, but with a sword," quote.

Jeb would be the messiah figure since he was known as god made flesh then ascended to return as the heartbeat of creation.

[Skarten]

Oh, and Skarten? I'm going to unfortunately be returning to that question it seems I've been asking you all RP: how is all that Yaroshima is doing being accomplished? How is he motivating the villagers to spend the hours or days searching for copper ore that would be necessary to forge tools? How are these tools helping with rice farming in a significant way? How is Yaroshima converting the villagers to Christianity? (Just quoting a book they've never read at them, even if it is accurate, is unlikely to bear fruit.)

That's one of the most important parts of this RP, description of the how. I'm going to need you to start doing it.

Okay,i'm going to explain this, so we can finish.
Not many villagers are doing this. Let's say there's 300 or 400 People in the village. Around 70-90 of them are Christian. Then, around 10-20 People help Yaroshima. They help because they're made of metal (Of course, metal helps because, uh, it's metal. What i mean by that? They have higher quality. They're sharper, and the molds are more complex than the ones made of stones).
Also, he's converting them the Same way Jesus Did.
Jesus didn't write the bible.
(By that i mean he's converting them kinda the same way. Parables, stories,etc)

[Holy Tedalonia]

Oh, and Skarten? I'm going to unfortunately be returning to that question it seems I've been asking you all RP: how is all that Yaroshima is doing being accomplished? How is he motivating the villagers to spend the hours or days searching for copper ore that would be necessary to forge tools? How are these tools helping with rice farming in a significant way? How is Yaroshima converting the villagers to Christianity? (Just quoting a book they've never read at them, even if it is accurate, is unlikely to bear fruit.)

That's one of the most important parts of this RP, description of the how. I'm going to need you to start doing it.

Okay,i'm going to explain this, so we can finish.
Not many villagers are doing this. Let's say there's 300 or 400 People in the village. Around 70-90 of them are Christian. Then, around 10-20 People help Yaroshima. They help because they're made of metal (Of course, metal helps because, uh, it's metal. What i mean by that? They have higher quality. They're sharper, and the molds are more complex than the ones made of stones).
Also, he's converting them the Same way Jesus Did.
Jesus didn't write the bible.
(By that i mean he's converting them kinda the same way. Parables, stories,etc)

Don't worry about Ego crucifying you. That's for later.

[Skarten]

Okay,i'm going to explain this, so we can finish.
Not many villagers are doing this. Let's say there's 300 or 400 People in the village. Around 70-90 of them are Christian. Then, around 10-20 People help Yaroshima. They help because they're made of metal (Of course, metal helps because, uh, it's metal. What i mean by that? They have higher quality. They're sharper, and the molds are more complex than the ones made of stones).
Also, he's converting them the Same way Jesus Did.
Jesus didn't write the bible.
(By that i mean he's converting them kinda the same way. Parables, stories,etc)

Don't worry about Ego crucifying you. That's for later.

Boi, i just wanna get to the "Civilization" Point.
I have like a Giant text wall ready, and i even made graphics and all that stuff (I won't use them ICly of course), all to represent the society i'm making in japan.

[Ulls]

If you can hold out when I make the naval outpost in Russia then we can make talk about it.

About how long would that take?

Years at best, at least close to a decade.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Don't worry about Ego crucifying you. That's for later.

Boi, i just wanna get to the "Civilization" Point.
I have like a Giant text wall ready, and i even made graphics and all that stuff (I won't use them ICly of course), all to represent the society i'm making in japan.

So are you going to be shogun?

[Ulls]

Okay,i'm going to explain this, so we can finish.
Not many villagers are doing this. Let's say there's 300 or 400 People in the village. Around 70-90 of them are Christian. Then, around 10-20 People help Yaroshima. They help because they're made of metal (Of course, metal helps because, uh, it's metal. What i mean by that? They have higher quality. They're sharper, and the molds are more complex than the ones made of stones).
Also, he's converting them the Same way Jesus Did.
Jesus didn't write the bible.
(By that i mean he's converting them kinda the same way. Parables, stories,etc)

Don't worry about Ego crucifying you. That's for later.

I'm wandering if I should crusade in Japan but then I'm wandering if the Japanese won't crucify my missionaries trying to spread the Mandate.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Don't worry about Ego crucifying you. That's for later.

I'm wandering if I should crusade in Japan but then I'm wandering if the Japanese won't crucify my missionaries trying to spread the Mandate.

I was thinking Ego would pick up Skarten's Author and crucify him just like Jesus. Would be a ironic wouldn't it? Deja vu.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Oh, and Skarten? I'm going to unfortunately be returning to that question it seems I've been asking you all RP: how is all that Yaroshima is doing being accomplished? How is he motivating the villagers to spend the hours or days searching for copper ore that would be necessary to forge tools? How are these tools helping with rice farming in a significant way? How is Yaroshima converting the villagers to Christianity? (Just quoting a book they've never read at them, even if it is accurate, is unlikely to bear fruit.)

That's one of the most important parts of this RP, description of the how. I'm going to need you to start doing it.

Okay,i'm going to explain this, so we can finish.
Not many villagers are doing this. Let's say there's 300 or 400 People in the village. Around 70-90 of them are Christian. Then, around 10-20 People help Yaroshima. They help because they're made of metal (Of course, metal helps because, uh, it's metal. What i mean by that? They have higher quality. They're sharper, and the molds are more complex than the ones made of stones).
Also, he's converting them the Same way Jesus Did.
Jesus didn't write the bible.
(By that i mean he's converting them kinda the same way. Parables, stories,etc)

That's perfectly fine. I just think you're overestimating on several fronts- a Neolithic village is unlikely to include more than a half dozen families, so if we say there are ~50 people, that's cutting down the amount of Christians to like four or five, of which maybe one-three are helping Yaroshima, by your own logic. Though why those people would help Yaroshima you still haven't explained. Metals tools help, sure, but not really with farming. Especially not paddy farming, except for, say, digging a paddy itself, which really isn't something a copper shovel is up to doing.

That method of conversion is fine. But you need to RP out these developments. Don't tell, show. That's what I require.

[Ulls]

I'm wandering if I should crusade in Japan but then I'm wandering if the Japanese won't crucify my missionaries trying to spread the Mandate.

I was thinking Ego would pick up Skarten's Author and crucify him just like Jesus. Would be a ironic wouldn't it? Deja vu.

And make him a martyr and entrench the faith? I mean, that would be counterintuitive to trying to eliminate Christianity from Japan.

[G-Tech Corporation]

About how long would that take?

Years at best, at least close to a decade.

Yeah, getting ships around the NW passage will be a real doozie in this day and age. Even sailing vessels from the 1800s struggled, and metal-hulled ships were still lost on that route.

[Skarten]

Boi, i just wanna get to the "Civilization" Point.
I have like a Giant text wall ready, and i even made graphics and all that stuff (I won't use them ICly of course), all to represent the society i'm making in japan.

So are you going to be shogun?

Wrong. I'm going to be Tenno.
Shogun will be a war title to the Most powerfull daimyo.
Basically, lots of stuff will be centered around the Imperial Court.

[Holy Tedalonia]

I was thinking Ego would pick up Skarten's Author and crucify him just like Jesus. Would be a ironic wouldn't it? Deja vu.

And make him a martyr and entrench the faith? I mean, that would be counterintuitive to trying to eliminate Christianity from Japan.

But the irony...