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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:20 pm

Ulls wrote:I need to start the domestication of rice to increase the variety of food for Ego.

We will need to somehow get rice to North America though.

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The Holy Dominion of Inesea
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Postby The Holy Dominion of Inesea » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:28 pm

Revlona wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
OOCly, going east is your best chance of linking up with supply lines in the Imperium.

ICly, not everybody is going to be happy with the idea of forcibly integrating people. The Imperium is a polity founded on idealism, fundamentally, and not every military man wants to confront the dirty parts of war and hegemony that exist in the wide world.


Ok.

I hope what i said doesn't get Robert branded a rebel.

Robert's Rebellion
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:41 pm

The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:
Revlona wrote:
Ok.

I hope what i said doesn't get Robert branded a rebel.

Robert's Rebellion


Field of Fire.
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Postby Revlona » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:45 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Holy Dominion of Inesea wrote:Robert's Rebellion


Field of Fire.


A Dance of Dragons
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Holy Tedalonia
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:26 pm

Revlona wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Field of Fire.


A Dance of Dragons

Duchy of Brittany's Revolt for independence
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Postby Ulls » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:30 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Ulls wrote:I need to start the domestication of rice to increase the variety of food for Ego.

We will need to somehow get rice to North America though.

It already grows in the Great Lakes Region. Just haven't domesticated it yet.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:31 pm

Revlona wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Field of Fire.


A Dance of Dragons

A Clash of Kings.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:31 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Revlona wrote:
A Dance of Dragons

Duchy of Brittany's Revolt for independence


Ew, feudalism. It smells funny.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:33 pm

Ulls wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:We will need to somehow get rice to North America though.

It already grows in the Great Lakes Region. Just haven't domesticated it yet.

Really? Rice grew in the Great Lakes Region back then?

Do you have a source for this?
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Duchy of Brittany's Revolt for independence


Ew, feudalism. It smells funny.

Says the guy with the largest feudalist nation in the world...

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:34 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Ulls wrote:It already grows in the Great Lakes Region. Just haven't domesticated it yet.

Really? Rice grew in the Great Lakes Region back then?

Do you have a source for this?
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Ew, feudalism. It smells funny.

Says the guy with the largest feudalist nation in the world...


Nah, the Imperium isn't really feudal. Hierarchical and centralized totalitarianism, sure, but there aren't any hereditary titles outside of the lineage of House Nemtsov, and even that title is more elective than it may appear.
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Postby Ulls » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:39 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Ulls wrote:It already grows in the Great Lakes Region. Just haven't domesticated it yet.

Really? Rice grew in the Great Lakes Region back then?

Do you have a source for this?
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Ew, feudalism. It smells funny.

Says the guy with the largest feudalist nation in the world...

http://www.mooselakewildrice.com/store/aboutwildrice.php

Dating back 12,000 years would mean that some are around in the Great Lakes Region and can be cultivated for farming. Can also probably work in Greenland around fertile ground.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:39 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Really? Rice grew in the Great Lakes Region back then?

Do you have a source for this?

Says the guy with the largest feudalist nation in the world...


Nah, the Imperium isn't really feudal. Hierarchical and centralized totalitarianism, sure, but there aren't any hereditary titles outside of the lineage of House Nemtsov, and even that title is more elective than it may appear.

How exactly is the Imperium structured?

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:44 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Duchy of Brittany's Revolt for independence


Ew, feudalism. It smells funny.

Speaking of feudalism, in ck2 I'm in a civil war and the manpower is equal and all my good generals left. Crossing my fingers for the Fabian Strategy to make me win.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:48 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Nah, the Imperium isn't really feudal. Hierarchical and centralized totalitarianism, sure, but there aren't any hereditary titles outside of the lineage of House Nemtsov, and even that title is more elective than it may appear.

How exactly is the Imperium structured?


The Hegemon appoints an Emperor from his lineage. The Emperor appoints Governor-Generals and Lord-Commanders. Governor-Generals appoint Brightlords, Brightlords appoint Citylords, and Citylords appoint Firstmen. Lord-Commanders appoint Commanders, Commanders appoint Captains, Captains appoint Lieutenants and Squadleaders. Each tier is responsible for the behavior of their appointees and beholden to the will of the tier above them, serving at their overlord's pleasure, but may appeal what they feel to be an unjust dismissal to the tier above that of their overlord.

Appointments in civilian affairs are traditionally renewed every five to ten years as a sign of the continuing faith of the overlord for the populace to see, while military positions are generally appointed for either life, until a soldier is promoted, or until a soldier musters out of their service.

It's a very top-down flow of power, but theoretically rewards meritorious appointment and prevents nepotism and abuse by dint of oversight from the tier above that of an appointer- if, for instance, a Brightlords chooses to appoint his corrupt cronies as Citylords, he can be dismissed by the Governor for his actions, a dismissal which can only be contested by personal appeal to the Emperor.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:56 pm

Ulls wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Really? Rice grew in the Great Lakes Region back then?

Do you have a source for this?

Says the guy with the largest feudalist nation in the world...

http://www.mooselakewildrice.com/store/aboutwildrice.php

Dating back 12,000 years would mean that some are around in the Great Lakes Region and can be cultivated for farming. Can also probably work in Greenland around fertile ground.

Wow, I did not actually know this was a thing.

This rice crop should definitely be domesticated. According to the article, it's fairly nutritious, and will last indefinitely if stored in a cool, dried place and kept stored in containers.
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:How exactly is the Imperium structured?


The Hegemon appoints an Emperor from his lineage. The Emperor appoints Governor-Generals and Lord-Commanders. Governor-Generals appoint Brightlords, Brightlords appoint Citylords, and Citylords appoint Firstmen. Lord-Commanders appoint Commanders, Commanders appoint Captains, Captains appoint Lieutenants and Squadleaders. Each tier is responsible for the behavior of their appointees and beholden to the will of the tier above them, serving at their overlord's pleasure, but may appeal what they feel to be an unjust dismissal to the tier above that of their overlord.

Appointments in civilian affairs are traditionally renewed every five to ten years as a sign of the continuing faith of the overlord for the populace to see, while military positions are generally appointed for either life, until a soldier is promoted, or until a soldier musters out of their service.

It's a very top-down flow of power, but theoretically rewards meritorious appointment and prevents nepotism and abuse by dint of oversight from the tier above that of an appointer- if, for instance, a Brightlords chooses to appoint his corrupt cronies as Citylords, he can be dismissed by the Governor for his actions, a dismissal which can only be contested by personal appeal to the Emperor.

This systems seems a lot better than feudalism. As you stated, it prevents nepotism and rewards the most skilled.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:03 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
Ulls wrote:http://www.mooselakewildrice.com/store/aboutwildrice.php

Dating back 12,000 years would mean that some are around in the Great Lakes Region and can be cultivated for farming. Can also probably work in Greenland around fertile ground.

Wow, I did not actually know this was a thing.

This rice crop should definitely be domesticated. According to the article, it's fairly nutritious, and will last indefinitely if stored in a cool, dried place and kept stored in containers.
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Hegemon appoints an Emperor from his lineage. The Emperor appoints Governor-Generals and Lord-Commanders. Governor-Generals appoint Brightlords, Brightlords appoint Citylords, and Citylords appoint Firstmen. Lord-Commanders appoint Commanders, Commanders appoint Captains, Captains appoint Lieutenants and Squadleaders. Each tier is responsible for the behavior of their appointees and beholden to the will of the tier above them, serving at their overlord's pleasure, but may appeal what they feel to be an unjust dismissal to the tier above that of their overlord.

Appointments in civilian affairs are traditionally renewed every five to ten years as a sign of the continuing faith of the overlord for the populace to see, while military positions are generally appointed for either life, until a soldier is promoted, or until a soldier musters out of their service.

It's a very top-down flow of power, but theoretically rewards meritorious appointment and prevents nepotism and abuse by dint of oversight from the tier above that of an appointer- if, for instance, a Brightlords chooses to appoint his corrupt cronies as Citylords, he can be dismissed by the Governor for his actions, a dismissal which can only be contested by personal appeal to the Emperor.

This systems seems a lot better than feudalism. As you stated, it prevents nepotism and rewards the most skilled.


To be fair, it is essentially feudalism, just with the hereditary nature of titles stripped out to ensure that "lords" are chosen for ability and loyalty rather than being placed in a position on account of bloodlines. There will probably be some nepotism eventually, as rich families educate their sons and daughters well and thus present a majority of attractive candidates, but it should at least work better than any other system I can think of for now. The whole house of cards rests on a benign immortal Hegemon raising up good and just Emperors who then choose good Governors, and so on and so forth.
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Diostia
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Postby Diostia » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:24 pm

I got three things to ask you about:

1. Anyone in or around the Indus valley yet?
2. How long is a good rp sample?
3. How did I not find something like this sooner?

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:44 pm

Diostia wrote:I got three things to ask you about:

1. Anyone in or around the Indus valley yet?
2. How long is a good rp sample?
3. How did I not find something like this sooner?

1. I don't think any valleys been taken, but check map for near by people regardless
2. Ask G
3. You haven't seen the depths of the RP world
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:51 pm

Diostia wrote:I got three things to ask you about:

1. Anyone in or around the Indus valley yet?
2. How long is a good rp sample?
3. How did I not find something like this sooner?


1) Eh, we've had a few folks, but not for ages. She's essentially a blank slate, ditto with the Ganges.

2) A few paragraphs is nice; you can take a gander at the IC if you want a gauge of the expected post length.

3) I make sure to have [violet] delist this RP every Thursday so no riff-raff wanders in too often.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:02 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:Wow, I did not actually know this was a thing.

This rice crop should definitely be domesticated. According to the article, it's fairly nutritious, and will last indefinitely if stored in a cool, dried place and kept stored in containers.

This systems seems a lot better than feudalism. As you stated, it prevents nepotism and rewards the most skilled.


To be fair, it is essentially feudalism, just with the hereditary nature of titles stripped out to ensure that "lords" are chosen for ability and loyalty rather than being placed in a position on account of bloodlines. There will probably be some nepotism eventually, as rich families educate their sons and daughters well and thus present a majority of attractive candidates, but it should at least work better than any other system I can think of for now. The whole house of cards rests on a benign immortal Hegemon raising up good and just Emperors who then choose good Governors, and so on and so forth.

I'd imagine that if your Author was taken out of the equation, the system wouldn't last very long.

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Postby Ulls » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:03 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
To be fair, it is essentially feudalism, just with the hereditary nature of titles stripped out to ensure that "lords" are chosen for ability and loyalty rather than being placed in a position on account of bloodlines. There will probably be some nepotism eventually, as rich families educate their sons and daughters well and thus present a majority of attractive candidates, but it should at least work better than any other system I can think of for now. The whole house of cards rests on a benign immortal Hegemon raising up good and just Emperors who then choose good Governors, and so on and so forth.

I'd imagine that if your Author was taken out of the equation, the system wouldn't last very long.

It actually depends if the Emperor is capable enough to lead the Imperium after the death of the Hegemon.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:14 pm

Ulls wrote:
The Orson Empire wrote:I'd imagine that if your Author was taken out of the equation, the system wouldn't last very long.

It actually depends if the Emperor is capable enough to lead the Imperium after the death of the Hegemon.


Aye, just so. The system then becomes essentially a quirky version of a regular Empire, rising or falling as her leader is good or bad.
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Postby Ulls » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:03 pm

Once Ego starts utilizing iron, I will probably start to mine and mint gold and silver to form a currency.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:05 pm

Ulls wrote:Once Ego starts utilizing iron, I will probably start to mine and mint gold and silver to form a currency.

Really? Paper is best.
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The Orson Empire
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Postby The Orson Empire » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:09 pm

So G-Tech, does this RP have an endpoint, or will it continue indefinitely? Will all of the Authors just wake up back in their homes in the original timeline, after some period of time has passed?

I imagine at some point in the future, all of our nations will be so advanced that it will resemble modern day life.

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