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[Holy Tedalonia]

Probably! That was due to a volcanic eruption, unless I misremember?

Hypothetically yes, since even though the earth was cooled the valcano theory was their theory since they didn't have any other way to explain it.

[Skarten]

Also, about the rice, you people happen to be wrong.
Even in Jomon period they already had rice. The villagers already knew rice.

Potentially had rice, yes. But it's not very likely that a tribe of presumably hunter-gatherers, since that's what you initially represented them as, had rice. Additionally, dry-field rice has all sorts of wonderful problems with drought and disease. Wet-field rice was not brought over from China until about 300 BCE

Yeah, so i introduced them to paddy rice farming.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Hypothetically yes, since even though the earth was cooled the valcano theory was their theory since they didn't have any other way to explain it.

Sure, we can do that. I doubt any major world-changing events, like the cooling of the Migration Period and the desertification of the Sahara, will be significantly effected by the Authors.

Though I am legitimately considering setting off an early Santorini or Vesuvius to lessen their destructive potential

[Skarten]

Wrong.
Yaroshima didn't say "yo accept my beliefs and train with the copper spears"
I just said in my lastest post that i was training them on USING Copper Weaponry.
Not only for Military stuff.

Is there a functional difference between training someone to use a copper weapon and training someone to use a copper weapon for military applications? Aside from, I suppose, group tactics, I don't see any. Either way you're asking people with their own lives and no extensive reasons to follow Yaroshima to give up time in their days to learn how to do something they already think they know how to do. Sure, you could probably get a lad or two just out of curiosity, but I doubt that's what you're aiming for.

Plus, i've just checked, and Jomon japanese didn't have a "religion".
The max would be the Usual things, like considering Nature stuff as Entities, but it wasn't so solid.
Also, it's just that i forgot to post about Yaroshima trying to convert them in-between harvests. As far as i know, my only option would be make a flashback or something like that.

Religion, no, form of spiritual belief, certainly. How do you intend to convert them aside from saying something like "my god is better"?

Will we have a bad crop event in 535-536? Crops failed a lot in this year due to sudden cooling and failed harvests. Besides could be fun.

Probably! That was due to a volcanic eruption, unless I misremember?

Potentially had rice, yes. But it's not very likely that a tribe of presumably hunter-gatherers, since that's what you initially represented them as, had rice. Additionally, dry-field rice has all sorts of wonderful problems with drought and disease. Wet-field rice was not brought over from China until about 300 BCE

I'm honestly willing to handwave that particular village having some small quantity of a type of rice for planting, since yearly rounds probably meant they got their hands on some. Not enough to plant fields upon fields with, or much of a cultivar, but possessing the plant itself is a small enough ask for me to be alright with it. As for being wet versus dry, that is somewhat of an issue- I'm not an expert of Japanese Neolithic history. Though this does illustrate why I ask people to apply with fields of knowledge they themselves possess; if Yaroshima applied wet-field cultivation methods to dry-field rice cultivars, he would be rather unlikely to see great success.

He did study Paddy-field Farming.
And i do know about it.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Is there a functional difference between training someone to use a copper weapon and training someone to use a copper weapon for military applications? Aside from, I suppose, group tactics, I don't see any. Either way you're asking people with their own lives and no extensive reasons to follow Yaroshima to give up time in their days to learn how to do something they already think they know how to do. Sure, you could probably get a lad or two just out of curiosity, but I doubt that's what you're aiming for.



Religion, no, form of spiritual belief, certainly. How do you intend to convert them aside from saying something like "my god is better"?



Probably! That was due to a volcanic eruption, unless I misremember?



I'm honestly willing to handwave that particular village having some small quantity of a type of rice for planting, since yearly rounds probably meant they got their hands on some. Not enough to plant fields upon fields with, or much of a cultivar, but possessing the plant itself is a small enough ask for me to be alright with it. As for being wet versus dry, that is somewhat of an issue- I'm not an expert of Japanese Neolithic history. Though this does illustrate why I ask people to apply with fields of knowledge they themselves possess; if Yaroshima applied wet-field cultivation methods to dry-field rice cultivars, he would be rather unlikely to see great success.

He did study Paddy-field Farming.
And i do know about it.

Which is great. A better farming technique, though, given the constraints of antiquity your Author is operating under, doesn't justify the level of social cooperation and personal authority you are presenting Yaroshima as possessing.

[The Olog-Hai]

Potentially had rice, yes. But it's not very likely that a tribe of presumably hunter-gatherers, since that's what you initially represented them as, had rice. Additionally, dry-field rice has all sorts of wonderful problems with drought and disease. Wet-field rice was not brought over from China until about 300 BCE

Though diseases for rice would evolve after its been domesticated for awhile.

By this point dry-field rice had likely existed for around 1000 years...

[Skarten]

He did study Paddy-field Farming.
And i do know about it.

Which is great. A better farming technique, though, given the constraints of antiquity your Author is operating under, doesn't justify the level of social cooperation and personal authority you are presenting Yaroshima as possessing.

Even better, Paddy rice farming is one of the best types of farming for japan, because of the acidic soil.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Hypothetically yes, since even though the earth was cooled the valcano theory was their theory since they didn't have any other way to explain it.

Sure, we can do that. I doubt any major world-changing events, like the cooling of the Migration Period and the desertification of the Sahara, will be significantly effected by the Authors.

Though I am legitimately considering setting off an early Santorini or Vesuvius to lessen their destructive potential

Yeah, I like historically accurate events happen. Its kinda cool and makes a persons response more dynamic in my opinion, but I don't know if I can endorse setting certain events off early. Certainly if you can explain it and its reasonable.

[Ulls]

I need to start the domestication of rice to increase the variety of food for Ego.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Even better, Paddy rice farming is one of the best types of farming for japan, because of the acidic soil.

Indeed. Paddy rice farming, with a selected cultivar, conducted with tools, done in areas with established paddies and fertilization procedures, is an excellent method of farming.

But that isn't what exists in the village where Yaroshima lives now, is it?

Yeah, I like historically accurate events happen. Its kinda cool and makes a persons response more dynamic in my opinion, but I don't know if I can endorse setting certain events off early. Certainly if you can explain it and its reasonable.

Theoretically, it is possible to trigger early eruptions of volcanic cavities/domes through drilling into said volcanic areas and either releasing pressure (a minor eruption versus a major one) or simply determining the time of an eruption so as to minimize the damage from it. Viktor could stockpile food, move trade-ships to distant ports, and evacuate areas at risk from volcanic eruption, then trigger those eruptions early so as to prevent the historical events from being so devastating/occurring at all.

I need to start the domestication of rice to increase the variety of food for Ego.

I'm personally more interested in cultivating nutrient-laden vegetables and root crops.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

In terms of nutrient density, potatoes and rice are near the bottom of the list. It's all calories no nutrients. Which is a ok for this time period.

[G-Tech Corporation]

In terms of nutrient density, potatoes and rice are near the bottom of the list. It's all calories no nutrients. Which is a ok for this time period.

I'll certainly take some potatoes, just for food security and agricultural resilience.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

In terms of nutrient density, potatoes and rice are near the bottom of the list. It's all calories no nutrients. Which is a ok for this time period.

I'll certainly take some potatoes, just for food security and agricultural resilience.

I'm gonna try and secure some Teff from Ethiopia and Sorghum from West Africa to augment the wheat/oats/barley we already have. Sorghum and Teff are amazing grains for nutrition.

[G-Tech Corporation]

I'll certainly take some potatoes, just for food security and agricultural resilience.

I'm gonna try and secure some Teff from Ethiopia and Sorghum from West Africa to augment the wheat/oats/barley we already have. Sorghum and Teff are amazing grains for nutrition.

Not a bad thought. They'll need a century or two of selective breeding to be extensively useful, but being an ageless immortal certainly does help with long term planning.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

I'm gonna try and secure some Teff from Ethiopia and Sorghum from West Africa to augment the wheat/oats/barley we already have. Sorghum and Teff are amazing grains for nutrition.

Not a bad thought. They'll need a century or two of selective breeding to be extensively useful, but being an ageless immortal certainly does help with long term planning.

Teff is potentially already domesticated or in the process thereof. It was one of the first domesticates.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Not a bad thought. They'll need a century or two of selective breeding to be extensively useful, but being an ageless immortal certainly does help with long term planning.

Teff is potentially already domesticated or in the process thereof. It was one of the first domesticates.

Interesting. I'm only a selectively-educated agricultural historian

There's a post for you, Rev, Aid. The host of Sevat Lionslayer is marching south to punish the men who dare offend Thebes.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Teff is potentially already domesticated or in the process thereof. It was one of the first domesticates.

Interesting. I'm only a selectively-educated agricultural historian

There's a post for you, Rev, Aid. The host of Sevat Lionslayer is marching south to punish the men who dare offend Thebes.

Teff is being pushed as the crop to save Ethiopia from terminal famine. It's been in the health news for awhile.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Even better, Paddy rice farming is one of the best types of farming for japan, because of the acidic soil.

Indeed. Paddy rice farming, with a selected cultivar, conducted with tools, done in areas with established paddies and fertilization procedures, is an excellent method of farming.

But that isn't what exists in the village where Yaroshima lives now, is it?

Yeah, I like historically accurate events happen. Its kinda cool and makes a persons response more dynamic in my opinion, but I don't know if I can endorse setting certain events off early. Certainly if you can explain it and its reasonable.

Theoretically, it is possible to trigger early eruptions of volcanic cavities/domes through drilling into said volcanic areas and either releasing pressure (a minor eruption versus a major one) or simply determining the time of an eruption so as to minimize the damage from it. Viktor could stockpile food, move trade-ships to distant ports, and evacuate areas at risk from volcanic eruption, then trigger those eruptions early so as to prevent the historical events from being so devastating/occurring at all.

I need to start the domestication of rice to increase the variety of food for Ego.

I'm personally more interested in cultivating nutrient-laden vegetables and root crops.

True, but some of the volcanoes you mentioned were from islands, and as such I doubt youll mine there unless trying to intentionally cause such a catastrophic event

[G-Tech Corporation]

Interesting. I'm only a selectively-educated agricultural historian

There's a post for you, Rev, Aid. The host of Sevat Lionslayer is marching south to punish the men who dare offend Thebes.

Teff is being pushed as the crop to save Ethiopia from terminal famine. It's been in the health news for awhile.

Cool beans. Apparently it doesn't tolerate any frost? That will limit its implementation in Europe, unless a hardier strain can be isolated, but it should do good things for calorie production in the Mediterranean Basin.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Teff is being pushed as the crop to save Ethiopia from terminal famine. It's been in the health news for awhile.

Cool beans. Apparently it doesn't tolerate any frost? That will limit its implementation in Europe, unless a hardier strain can be isolated, but it should do good things for calorie production in the Mediterranean Basin.

Yah, the frost tolerance is crap. But teff is not a single cut crop. You can cut multiple times in a growing season. The first cut is about 50 days after planting with following cuts made every 30 days. This allows for roughly 4 cuts per season, 3 in colder climates. You can get 1.5-2 tons of teff per acre per cut. Most grains(single cut) produce max 2 tons per season.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Cool beans. Apparently it doesn't tolerate any frost? That will limit its implementation in Europe, unless a hardier strain can be isolated, but it should do good things for calorie production in the Mediterranean Basin.

Yah, the frost tolerance is crap. But teff is not a single cut crop. You can cut multiple times in a growing season. The first cut is about 50 days after planting with following cuts made every 30 days. This allows for roughly 4 cuts per season, 3 in colder climates. You can get 1.5-2 tons of teff per acre per cut. Most grains(single cut) produce max 2 tons per season.

Not bad, not bad. Luckily I was planning to send ships to the Balearics and Gibraltar soon anyway, so voyages down the African west coast won't be impossible in the near future.

[The Holy Dominion of Inesea]

Yah, the frost tolerance is crap. But teff is not a single cut crop. You can cut multiple times in a growing season. The first cut is about 50 days after planting with following cuts made every 30 days. This allows for roughly 4 cuts per season, 3 in colder climates. You can get 1.5-2 tons of teff per acre per cut. Most grains(single cut) produce max 2 tons per season.

Not bad, not bad. Luckily I was planning to send ships to the Balearics and Gibraltar soon anyway, so voyages down the African west coast won't be impossible in the near future.

I plan on centrally planning which crops we grow to maximize nutrient density and calorie production.

[Revlona]

Why is the Imperium mad at me for going east? You told me i should go east G

[G-Tech Corporation]

Why is the Imperium mad at me for going east? You told me i should go east G

OOCly, going east is your best chance of linking up with supply lines in the Imperium.

ICly, not everybody is going to be happy with the idea of forcibly integrating people. The Imperium is a polity founded on idealism, fundamentally, and not every military man wants to confront the dirty parts of war and hegemony that exist in the wide world.

[Revlona]

Why is the Imperium mad at me for going east? You told me i should go east G

OOCly, going east is your best chance of linking up with supply lines in the Imperium.

ICly, not everybody is going to be happy with the idea of forcibly integrating people. The Imperium is a polity founded on idealism, fundamentally, and not every military man wants to confront the dirty parts of war and hegemony that exist in the wide world.

Ok.

I hope what i said doesn't get Robert branded a rebel.