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G-Tech Corporation wrote:There we go, I've gone through and updated the map with everything people have sent me.

Ooh, shiny new post. I'm interested in Scythian cotton. The stuff the Imperium grows in Greece is still a few hundred generations away from good productivity.

How would the Imperium like Ego's hemp clothing?

Ulls wrote:

G-Tech Corporation wrote:There we go, I've gone through and updated the map with everything people have sent me.

Ooh, shiny new post. I'm interested in Scythian cotton. The stuff the Imperium grows in Greece is still a few hundred generations away from good productivity.

How would the Imperium like Ego's hemp clothing?

Hmm. It'd probably be traded for, certainly. I'm not personally aware of its merits or lack thereof as compared to wool.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:

Ulls wrote:How would the Imperium like Ego's hemp clothing?

Hmm. It'd probably be traded for, certainly. I'm not personally aware of its merits or lack thereof as compared to wool.

Hemp is also weed( which is smoked) but its apparently better grown than cotton in terms of water usage, time, and general uses. Ego massively grows it because of its uses and its effectiveness as a medicine.

However, once they discover cotton then they will probably switch to that when living in colder places because of wools insulation. Also there are no sheep in the New World.

Ulls wrote:

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Hmm. It'd probably be traded for, certainly. I'm not personally aware of its merits or lack thereof as compared to wool.

Hemp is also weed( which is smoked) but its apparently better grown than cotton in terms of water usage, time, and general uses. Ego massively grows it because of its uses and its effectiveness as a medicine.

However, once they discover cotton then they will probably switch to that when living in colder places because of wools insulation.

Yes, I think hemp makes a fairly light fabric, which might limit its implementation. Also, it's worth noting that most domestic plants we know today haven't been domesticated in 3000 BCE; hemp won't be as hardy/productive/durable due to not having hundreds of generations of selective breeding behind it like our modern varieties.

Though, industrial hemp is what you would use for weaving and textiles, which is different from hemp as a drug.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:

Ulls wrote:Hemp is also weed( which is smoked) but its apparently better grown than cotton in terms of water usage, time, and general uses. Ego massively grows it because of its uses and its effectiveness as a medicine.

However, once they discover cotton then they will probably switch to that when living in colder places because of wools insulation.

Yes, I think hemp makes a fairly light fabric, which might limit its implementation. Also, it's worth noting that most domestic plants we know today haven't been domesticated in 3000 BCE; hemp won't be as hardy/productive/durable due to not having hundreds of generations of selective breeding behind it like our modern varieties.

Though, industrial hemp is what you would use for weaving and textiles, which is different from hemp as a drug.

Good to know, though I'm sure Ego would have some form of light clothing but they don't use it for gambesons since it would be impossible to have padded shirts that won't be ripped by a stone age weapon, hence leather jerkins/vests to make up. Still will let the two be able to grow and try to domesticate to make them stronger and more varied like corn.

Still no wife for the man that would be a god?

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Still no wife for the man that would be a god?

He doesn't like how most people treat him as a god. His own inner circle are married( his marshal and adviser) or are basically his adopted daughter. He'll probably try to once he goes to Europe.

Ulls wrote:

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Still no wife for the man that would be a god?

He doesn't like how most people treat him as a god. His own inner circle are married( his marshal and adviser) or are basically his adopted daughter. He'll probably try to once he goes to Europe.

Hmm, that should be interesting to see, given people think of him as a god. The foreigners won't have such ideas though. Just another fleabitten savage

G-Tech Corporation wrote:

Ulls wrote:He doesn't like how most people treat him as a god. His own inner circle are married( his marshal and adviser) or are basically his adopted daughter. He'll probably try to once he goes to Europe.

Hmm, that should be interesting to see, given people think of him as a god. The foreigners won't have such ideas though. Just another fleabitten savage

That will be a breath of fresh air to Jeb as he sees himself being Human keeps him from getting a god complex and so he can rule Ego better. It's actually one of the main things he's looking for in a potential mate and why he keeps instilling his humanity in his student.

That post took far too long to complete, but here's an updated map of the League in compensation
http://i.imgur.com/UGauZ3w.png

Conwy-shire wrote:That post took far too long to complete, but here's an updated map of the League in compensation
http://i.imgur.com/UGauZ3w.png

Hmm. You quadrupled in size in a decade. You know that will lead to major stability issues, no?

G-Tech Corporation wrote:

Conwy-shire wrote:That post took far too long to complete, but here's an updated map of the League in compensation
http://i.imgur.com/UGauZ3w.png

Hmm. You quadrupled in size in a decade. You know that will lead to major stability issues, no?

In comparison, will that be just as bad as Ego or worse?

Ulls wrote:

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Hmm. You quadrupled in size in a decade. You know that will lead to major stability issues, no?

In comparison, will that be just as bad as Ego or worse?

Oh definitely worse. You only gained a thin corridor the Hudson, vaguely doubling your territory, annexing tribes.

Conwy has a space-filling empire cut from vaguely civilized city-states and petty kingdoms, due to the proximity of Scythia. And he quadrupled. That's going to be ufffff.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Oh definitely worse. You only gained a thin corridor the Hudson, vaguely doubling your territory, annexing tribes.

Conwy has a space-filling empire cut from vaguely civilized city-states and petty kingdoms, due to the proximity of Scythia. And he quadrupled. That's going to be ufffff.

Yarp,
though to be salty - I did have an integration post half-done before you cut off the last RP and forced a timeskip

Conwy-shire wrote:

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Oh definitely worse. You only gained a thin corridor the Hudson, vaguely doubling your territory, annexing tribes.

Conwy has a space-filling empire cut from vaguely civilized city-states and petty kingdoms, due to the proximity of Scythia. And he quadrupled. That's going to be ufffff.

Yarp,
though to be salty - I did have an integration post half-done before you cut off the last RP and forced a timeskip

Ah, apologies. Still, integration post or no integration post, it's a very dramatic expansion.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Ah, apologies. Still, integration post or no integration post, it's a very dramatic expansion.

It's also a neat solution to the combined demands for more urban/pastoral land as evidenced by the disaster thingy from New Civ IV

Conwy-shire wrote:

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Ah, apologies. Still, integration post or no integration post, it's a very dramatic expansion.

It's also a neat solution to the combined demands for more urban/pastoral land as evidenced by the disaster thingy from New Civ IV

Well, except much of the land you seized is marginal for even pastoralist desires

Edit: I should clarify that that contention was about land close to cities, where agriculture was expanding in to pastoral lands, not pastoralists wanting more exterior lands.

Hmm, Cristo, how much cotton do you think will being supplied from Scythia to Imperial markets? Artisanal amounts?

Conwy-shire wrote:That post took far too long to complete, but here's an updated map of the League in compensation
http://i.imgur.com/UGauZ3w.png

Hey, we need to discuss the history between Holy Scythia and Ego.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:Hmm, Cristo, how much cotton do you think will being supplied from Scythia to Imperial markets? Artisanal amounts?

This initial shipment will only be about 3 cartfulls - enough to entice local markets. As the product becomes more and more known and plantations take root in the east, we can expect amounts sufficient for mass production ( in the comparison to early industrial states such as yourself ).

Ulls wrote:

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Hmm. It'd probably be traded for, certainly. I'm not personally aware of its merits or lack thereof as compared to wool.

Hemp is also weed( which is smoked) but its apparently better grown than cotton in terms of water usage, time, and general uses. Ego massively grows it because of its uses and its effectiveness as a medicine.

However, once they discover cotton then they will probably switch to that when living in colder places because of wools insulation. Also there are no sheep in the New World.

WAT? Did you say, invade Ego? WAT?

Republic of the Cristo wrote:

Conwy-shire wrote:That post took far too long to complete, but here's an updated map of the League in compensation
http://i.imgur.com/UGauZ3w.png

Hey, we need to discuss the history between Holy Scythia and Ego.

Ego is in North America- you're thinking of the Confederation of Helios.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Hey, we need to discuss the history between Holy Scythia and Ego.

Ego is in North America- you're thinking of the Confederation of Helios.

Yeah, I just figured that out a minute ago.

Republic of the Cristo wrote:Hey, we need to discuss the history between Holy Scythia and Ego Helios.

So, around the time you integrated the Bhumidol I integrated Kutaizsur, who would have been neighbours and traders through the narrow mountain passes of the Caucasus. Its unlikely that the League would have sent diplomatic envoys to Scyth and even more unlikely that Scythian explorers/traders and the like would be given access to League territory, and any trade (official or otherwise) would probably happen in small Caravanserai situated in no-mans land on the border.

If you want there to have been sustained diplomatic contact I'm okay with that, but I'm not sure what you're expecting to have happened over that time period.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Hey, we need to discuss the history between Holy Scythia and Ego.

Ego is in North America- you're thinking of the Confederation of Helios.

Yeah, was thinking that Scythia was going to kill Ego weed traders from Scotland.