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by Tallahassee News Station » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:14 pm

by Imperial Esplanade » Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:59 pm
But the Lord stood by me, and gave me strength. (2 Timothy 4:17)One of the keys to happiness is a bad memory. (Rita Mae Brown)

by Prolieum » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:06 pm
"We are the Canadian Borg. Resistance would be impolite. Please wait to be assimilated. Pour l'assimilation en Francais, appuyer le numero deux."

by Tumblrena » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:24 pm


by Prolieum » Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:26 pm
"We are the Canadian Borg. Resistance would be impolite. Please wait to be assimilated. Pour l'assimilation en Francais, appuyer le numero deux."

by Velahor » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:14 pm
Prolieum wrote:House Floor-Chair
"With all votes tallied, the motion passes. The chair invites the Representative from Illinois to lay out the bill."
Safe American Firearm Evaluation and Transportation Act (SAFE-T Act)
Introduction: In memory of the 417 victims of mass shootings since 2004, and 9,000 victims of gun-related homicide every year, we recognize the epidemic that is gun violence in America. We, the Congress of the United States of America, recognize the need to prevent further lives lost by taking action while maintaining the 2nd amendment rights guaranteed in the US Constitution.
Section 1: Defines “assault firearms" as:
Semi-automatic rifles that fire rounds of .17 caliber or greater and are able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following: folding or telescoping stock, pistol grip, bayonet mount, flash suppressor, threaded barrels designed to accommodate barrel attachments and suppressors, and grenade launcher mounts.
Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following: magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip, threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor, barrel shroud, a weight of 50 oz or more, or a semi-automatic adaptation of a normally fully automatic weapon
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following: folding or telescoping stock, pistol grip, detachable magazine
Any and all weapons with “bump fire” or “hellfire trigger” features.
All weapons designed to fire 5.56x45mm NATO rounds.
"Universal Background Checks" refer to a nationally standardized database and criteria for licensure for personal gun ownership.
Section 2:
Amends the National Firearms Act of 1934 to include the previously defined "assault weapons" as a separate category of Title II weapons, subject to the same rules and regulations as weapons currently covered by the act.
Section 3:
Requires current owners of “assault firearms” to register said weapons with the BATF by 6 months after this bill’s passage
Section 4:
Institutes a national background check system for the purchase of all firearms not covered by the NFA. Allocates funds to be directed to states for the implementation of Universal Background Checks. States will be monitored for cooperation with Universal Background Checks by the BATF, and reprimanded accordingly for non-cooperation.
Section 5:
Requires that all interstate trade of firearms, both "standard" and "assault", are required to have both parties passing a background check.
Section 6:
Enforces this act by classifying non-compliant ownership of an "assault firearm" as a Class E Felony, and non-compliant sale of an assault firearm as a Class D Felony
This bill is then honorably presented to the United States House of Representatives for consideration in order to restrict ownership of dangerous weapons to improve the United States Law and is backed by Representative Nicole Tasha Smith on _____

by Prolieum » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:16 pm
"We are the Canadian Borg. Resistance would be impolite. Please wait to be assimilated. Pour l'assimilation en Francais, appuyer le numero deux."

by Dentali » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:25 pm

by Velahor » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:30 pm

by Prolieum » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:31 pm
"We are the Canadian Borg. Resistance would be impolite. Please wait to be assimilated. Pour l'assimilation en Francais, appuyer le numero deux."

by Velahor » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:36 pm
Prolieum wrote:House Floor-Chair
Speaker Eberhardt caught the gaze of Representative Smith, making a rare gesture in raising his own voice in comment.
"Representative Smith, the 5.56x45mm round, specifically targeted in your bill, is the round for which the most widely owned self-defense and hunting rifle in the United States is chambered, with ownership estimated in the millions. Under the bill as written, these owners of these rifles would be forced to register their weapons, and, under the National Firearms Act, pay a tax credit of $200. Noting the significance of this cost, the prevalence of weapons of such caliber for home defense purposes in high-crime areas, the unfortunate circumstances under which African-Americans are more likely to suffer from poverty and live in a high-crime area both, and the current state of the United States prison system, given that by your bill's categorizations, these legal firearm owners who are unable to pay the $200 fine will be charged as Class E felons, do you not believe that your bill would impose a significant burden on those persons most suffering from poverty and in need of self-defense, and in doing so, discriminate against the equal civil right of African Americans to keep and bear arms without fear of being charged as felons under your law?"

by Dentali » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:37 pm

by Velahor » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:42 pm
Dentali wrote:
"Representative Smith last year there were 267 incidents involving assault-style rifles. Including reported weapons thefts, crimes in which the guns were brandished, arrests for illegal possession and other legal interventions in which they weren’t fired. The Gun Violence Archive accounts assault-style rifles for about 2% of gun deaths and 1% of gun injuries. If your goal is safety and preventing gun violence why does your bill focus on weapons involved in such a small percentage of incidents?"

by Tallahassee News Station » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:54 pm

by Velahor » Tue Nov 07, 2017 6:58 pm
Tallahassee News Station wrote:"Are mass shootings much more of a deadly problem in America than in all our peer countries who have much more sensible gun control restrictions in place?" -Jared


by Dentali » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:04 pm
Velahor wrote:Tallahassee News Station wrote:"Are mass shootings much more of a deadly problem in America than in all our peer countries who have much more sensible gun control restrictions in place?" -Jared
Smith picks up a large posterboard sitting next to her.
"This, my friends, is America vs. the world from 1966-2012. America has had more mass shooters, and has more guns. Guns are the X-axis, mass shootings are the y-axis. That's us in the top right corner, every other country with over 10 million people is in the bottom left corner."

by Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:05 pm

by Dentali » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:13 pm
Velahor wrote:Tallahassee News Station wrote:"Are mass shootings much more of a deadly problem in America than in all our peer countries who have much more sensible gun control restrictions in place?" -Jared
Smith picks up a large posterboard sitting next to her.
"This, my friends, is America vs. the world from 1966-2012. America has had more mass shooters, and has more guns. Guns are the X-axis, mass shootings are the y-axis. That's us in the top right corner, every other country with over 10 million people is in the bottom left corner."

by Velahor » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:24 pm
Dentali wrote:Velahor wrote:Smith picks up a large posterboard sitting next to her.
"This, my friends, is America vs. the world from 1966-2012. America has had more mass shooters, and has more guns. Guns are the X-axis, mass shootings are the y-axis. That's us in the top right corner, every other country with over 10 million people is in the bottom left corner."
Brennan: "A study last year by the Congressional Research Service found that from 1999 to 2013 assault rifles were used in 27 percent public mass shootings, which it defines as the killing of four or more people in a relatively public place. Dating back to 1982, the rate is 24 percent. So again why are we focusing on the minority if your goal is to reduce mass shootings?"

by Velahor » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:27 pm
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:De Nieto: "How would your measures reduce mass shootings?"

by Dentali » Tue Nov 07, 2017 7:46 pm
Velahor wrote:Dentali wrote:
Brennan: "A study last year by the Congressional Research Service found that from 1999 to 2013 assault rifles were used in 27 percent public mass shootings, which it defines as the killing of four or more people in a relatively public place. Dating back to 1982, the rate is 24 percent. So again why are we focusing on the minority if your goal is to reduce mass shootings?"
Smith: "We can go back and forth on the numbers, but that is utterly meaningless. Again, the research I cited has the criteria of their being at least four victims, not including the perpetrator, the crimes were carried out by two or less shooters, and they occurred in a public place.
Your data also deals with different sample sizes and years viewed.
But either way, whether the number 24 percent or 27 percent or any other number you come up with, or if it is the greater than 60% total that I found in the FBI research, the fact is that the law prevents a significant amount of the perpetrators from committing these crimes.
Also, the number of shooters who used these weapons is an irrelevant statistic when compared to the number of people on average killed in mass shootings when assault weapons are used versus when "standard" weapons are used. Assault firearms are more effective killing machines, and when one is used in a mass shooting, more people die than when a regular firearm is used."

by Velahor » Tue Nov 07, 2017 10:54 pm
Dentali wrote:Velahor wrote:Smith: "We can go back and forth on the numbers, but that is utterly meaningless. Again, the research I cited has the criteria of their being at least four victims, not including the perpetrator, the crimes were carried out by two or less shooters, and they occurred in a public place.
Your data also deals with different sample sizes and years viewed.
But either way, whether the number 24 percent or 27 percent or any other number you come up with, or if it is the greater than 60% total that I found in the FBI research, the fact is that the law prevents a significant amount of the perpetrators from committing these crimes.
Also, the number of shooters who used these weapons is an irrelevant statistic when compared to the number of people on average killed in mass shootings when assault weapons are used versus when "standard" weapons are used. Assault firearms are more effective killing machines, and when one is used in a mass shooting, more people die than when a regular firearm is used."
Brennan:"... No.... Firstly you never gave your data, your sample sizes or metrics, hence my comment on your terrible graph, its not labeled at all or has cited sources. So how was I supposed to know your sample sizes sources or any information?"
"Secondly the specifics certainly do matter, heck last year 37,000 people died in car crashes, we could stop all deadly car accidents in the country today if we made the speed limit 5 miles per hour universally, but we don't because of the burden it places on citizens. The number of people harmed by assault rifles, and the total number of incidents need to be statistically significant enough to warrant placing such a massive burden on legal and responsible gun owners."

by Prolieum » Wed Nov 08, 2017 5:16 am
"We are the Canadian Borg. Resistance would be impolite. Please wait to be assimilated. Pour l'assimilation en Francais, appuyer le numero deux."

by Prolieum » Wed Nov 08, 2017 6:00 am
"We are the Canadian Borg. Resistance would be impolite. Please wait to be assimilated. Pour l'assimilation en Francais, appuyer le numero deux."

by Prolieum » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:47 am
"We are the Canadian Borg. Resistance would be impolite. Please wait to be assimilated. Pour l'assimilation en Francais, appuyer le numero deux."
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