The 115th Congress-Washington 2017

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Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1155
Monday
27 February
2017

"This sounds like philosophy instead of facts. An attachment is an attachment and we do not need philosophy to understand that. If I attach a grip to my firearm that does not make a grip an arm. A bump stock is a stock. It is not a firearm itself. But it can be used to make a firearm much more deadly and that is the reason we must take action." McGareth says.

[The Portland Territory]

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1155
Monday
27 February
2017

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"This sounds like philosophy instead of facts. An attachment is an attachment and we do not need philosophy to understand that. If I attach a grip to my firearm that does not make a grip an arm. A bump stock is a stock. It is not a firearm itself. But it can be used to make a firearm much more deadly and that is the reason we must take action." McGareth says.

Te question at hand is whether to not banning, or sevely regulating, bump stocks and other automatic simulators is constitutional. Admittedly, Senator, I am beginning to see your side. However I still do not see the need to simply classify them as a "Machine Gun". It's a matter of semantics but does this bill not say that it will classify automatic simulators, on their own mind you, as "Machine guns"?

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Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1156
Monday
27 February
2017

"Yes, because the machine gun ban is obviously Constitutional and since machine guns are arms that makes making the same ban apply to automatic simulators also obviously Constitutional." McGareth answers.

[The Portland Territory]

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1156
Monday
27 February
2017

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"Yes, because the machine gun ban is obviously Constitutional and since machine guns are arms that makes making the same ban apply to automatic simulators also obviously Constitutional." McGareth answers.

How exactly is the machine gun ban Constitutional?

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Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1157
Monday
27 February
2017

"The Supreme Court has said so." McGareth answers.

"That is why it has been around for thirty years." He adds.

[The Portland Territory]

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1157
Monday
27 February
2017

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"The Supreme Court has said so." McGareth answers.

"That is why it has been around for thirty years." He adds.

*Egazarian vehemently hated that resolution, however it would be suicide to strike against the Supreme Court at a time like this*

I see. So I guess that settles it.

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Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1157
Monday
27 February
2017

McGareth is pleased.

"Yes it does." he agrees.

[The Portland Territory]

Senator McGareth? Mr. President? Allow me a moment to regain my thoughts before we call the bill into question.

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Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1158
Monday
27 February
2017

McGareth waits.

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Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1208
Monday
27 February
2017

As the chamber is silent and still waiting for Lane María Antonieta clears her throat.

"Mr. President I object to the motion and intend to filibuster the bill."

[Dentali]

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1153
Monday
27 February
2017

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McGareth sees that Locklear is handling Stacey and answers Egazarian's question on guns not going into Nazism.

"Well Senator Egazarian if you have already said that you think ammunition is not Constitutionally protected then I am not going to argue with you over that. But what is important is that automatic simulators are not protected. Automatic weapons made after 1986 are arms and have been banned legally and since automatic simulators are not arms there is no problem in banning them and I think it is silly if you want to protect a scam Senator as you say they are unless there is a scammer lobby that I do not know about." McGareth says,

*Egazarian nodded at McGareth noting his change of subjects, though also scratching his chin*

I see it like this, Senator: A bump stock is not merely just an attachment, it becomes a part of a rifle, just as a scope does. An integral part, that is. While quite obviously still an attachment, a bump stock or anything along those lines of upgrades does become one with the firearm, does it not? And due to that should they not also receive the same levels of protection as does the firearm it becomes a part of?

Fowler "Senator Egazarian, you are a collector and enthusiast. Senator McGareth served in Naval Intelligence and the Navy SEALs for over fifteen years, receiving the Purple Heart, before being discharged with the rank of Commander. He joined the Honolulu Police Department, and served in the SWAT division. McGareth was commended for a hostage rescue situation in which he neutralized four gunmen. McGareth was named Chief of the Honolulu Police Department, and under his direction, Honolulu was ranked as the safest city in the United States. McGareth was commended for successfully stopping a major drug smuggling and human trafficking ring."

"I do not believe a single person here believes you have more experience on knowledge of firearms or law enforcement than McGareth. I think he is probably the most knowledgeable person in the room on the matter. So when it comes to technical aspects of firearms and law I believe you should defer to him on the matter."

"On a separate note I do not have any issue with you collecting firearms from WW2, however your comparison of the United States to the Nazi regime deserves is unacceptable, indisputable and warrants an apology. Even if the comparison was unintentional and poorly worded you still said it, especially on the floor of the Senate chamber. I will not defend every action the United States took in the Vietnam war but if you cannot tell the difference between that and the genocide committed by the Nazi's you do not deserve to be a Senator."

[The Portland Territory]

*after thinking, Egazarian stood up*

Firstly, I would just like to issue an apology for my earlier comments. While not intended or directed towards, many thought I compared our nation's government to that of Nazi Germany's. With that, I apologize for my lack of clarity in my comments which led to that conclusion. In no way does or should America compare to Hitler's totalitarian regime.

*pausing for a moment to not let it seem ingenuine*

Secondly, many here have said that I am not the most reliable source in regards to this field as compared to Senator McGareth. And while his reputation is quite honorable, allow me to defend my own. I'm not merely just some gun enthusiast. My entire life I have been exposed to them. At a young age, my father taught me their importance to me in public and familial society. I began hunting at a young age was trained the proper procedures in cleaning them, reloading, repairing, and upgrading them at around age 9. I understand how guns intrinsically work and have been drilled in understanding from a young age their utmost importance in preserving our ways of life and liberty. This bill, it's not common sense. It is so so simple to do the exact same things performed by automatic simulators by just holding it a specific way or even making your own automatic simulator! For those killers who want to commit mass murders, if they want to make their semi-auto fire faster, they will find a way and it will, sadly, be quite easy. This bill will only taken certain upgrades out of the hands of many good citizens while would-be criminals would merely work their way around the law in very simplistic ways. You can go online and search "DIY Bump stock" and within a second find how to make one for real cheap. Senator Lane, Senator McGareth, Senator Fowler, and all those listening in this chamber, do know that in terms of violent crimes and homicides, banning automatic simulators from a portion of the population will do nothing to stop their use in mass shootings. If criminals want to use automatic simulators, mainly bump stocks, then they will find a quick and easy way to. Please keep this in mind when voting on this bill. Thank you.

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Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1229
Monday
27 February
2017

"Senator Egazarian did you know that it is possible to make a deadly bomb with simple components such as home cleaning supplies?" McGareth asks.

[Rauterra]

Senator Butner waits until after Senator Egazarian answers Senator McGareth's question before he begins. "Mr. President, I would ask my honorable colleague to consider his line of argument. If, at the end of the day, any gun control measures short of something as unspeakable and practically impossible as repealing the Second Amendment and confiscating all firearms are ineffective in preventing mass shootings because, and I quote, 'Someone will always find a way', then I ask the honorable gentleman from Rhode Island, what is the point of legislating against bomb making? As my honorable colleague, Senator McGareth has hinted at, Mr. President, materials to make bombs can nowadays be found in a Home Depot. And yet, Mr. President, we don't see a spate of bombings in this country, not at the same rate as gun violence at least, because we have laws and regulations concerning the purchasing of those very materials. So, here is my question for the honorable gentleman from Rhode Island, Mr. President: if these regulations and laws have prevented mass bombings in this country, why can't responsible regulation at the very least mitigate the possibility and damage of a potential mass shooting?"

[The Free Territory of Makhnovia]

Blyth speaks: "Mr. President, I'd like to present this petition for cloture."

[The Portland Territory]

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1229
Monday
27 February
2017

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"Senator Egazarian did you know that it is possible to make a deadly bomb with simple components such as home cleaning supplies?" McGareth asks.

That is correct, however there is no non-violent reason for a citizen to own deadly explosives either. of course excluding industrial explosives.

[Tumblrena]

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1231
Monday
27 February
2017

"That is not the point Senator even though I am sure we could think of reasons. You said that it was pointless to ban automatic simulators because criminals could make knockoffs. So you should also say that we should sell grenades and high explosives freely without background checks or any restrictions because you can make homemade explosives. That is a crazy opinion and it is also proof that the opinion on automatic simulators is also crazy. The ban will keep many criminals from obtaining the devices and stopping 95% is better than stopping 0% just like we put bans on high explosives even though some criminals can make homemade versions." McGareth says.

[The Portland Territory]

Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1231
Monday
27 February
2017

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"That is not the point Senator even though I am sure we could think of reasons. You said that it was pointless to ban automatic simulators because criminals could make knockoffs. So you should also say that we should sell grenades and high explosives freely without background checks or any restrictions because you can make homemade explosives. That is a crazy opinion and it is also proof that the opinion on automatic simulators is also crazy. The ban will keep many criminals from obtaining the devices and stopping 95% is better than stopping 0% just like we put bans on high explosives even though some criminals can make homemade versions." McGareth says.

"So you should also say that we should sell grenade." False Equivalence, Senator. Had this been my only argument, then yes it would be quite hypocritical of me. But it is not as there are very legitimate reasons as to why we should ban explosives, as well as very legitimate reasons as as to why bump stocks should remain legal.

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Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1234
Monday
27 February
2017

"You said they are scams Senator so it is not that. Then you claim they are useless but Dillon and understanding guns shows that is false. Then you said that a ban might not be Constitutional but the Supreme Court disagrees so it is not that. Then you said that criminals could make knockoffs but they can do that with explosives too and you are claiming you do not want them to be legal so it is not that. All of your arguments are failures and you are arguing from nothing and by doing that working to keep these deadly devices in the hands of criminals who will use them to kill again and without even a clear reason for it, and I think that is an awful thing, Senator Egazarian." McGareth finishes.

[Prolieum]

Senate Floor-Chair

"The clerk shall read the petition."

We, the undersigned Senators, in accordance with the provisions of rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the Senate, hereby move to bring to a close the debate upon the bill to enact Common Sense gun reforms.

"This Senate stands in recess until the day next."

[Prolieum]

Senate Floor-Chair

"This Senate shall come to order. The floor is open to motions."

[Prolieum]

Senate Floor

"Mr. President, ah'd move to suspend all necessary rules and take up the resolution to censure Senator Kramer." Kingsley stated.

[The Portland Territory]

*Egazarian remained silent, deadeye'ing McGareth*

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Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1002
Tuesday
28 February
2017

"Seconded!" McGareth says while ignoring Egazarian.

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Washington D.C.
United States Senate
1059
Tuesday
28 February
2017

Ella comes into the chamber and goes over to her desk on the left side and then sits down and takes out a pen and paper to start writing.