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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:04 pm

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"Representative....you are aware that the the First Amendment...that it only prevents the, erm, government from censoring speech? Not private entities?"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:07 pm

Prolieum wrote:
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"Representative....you are aware that the the First Amendment...that it only prevents the, erm, government from censoring speech? Not private entities?"


"The government should have a role in protecting free speech, and I believe that it establishes the freedom of speech everywhere in the United States. The internet should also fall in that domain."

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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:11 pm

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Rossi muses over a strategy.

"Representative why is the, uh, fee, not the same amount? For everyone?"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:14 pm

Prolieum wrote:
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Rossi muses over a strategy.

"Representative why is the, uh, fee, not the same amount? For everyone?"


"It is a flat rate, something I thought your party supported. Unless of course, you think that taxes should be a flat sum for everyone I do not think you will take issue with that. That way it hurts large corporations and not so large corporations the same amount. It prevents the relatively small business from going bankrupt over a mistake and it also prevents large corporations from just shrugging off the hit."

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
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"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:17 pm

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"So are you saying that when things are, um, different, it, you should, um, they should pay different amounts?"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:18 pm

Prolieum wrote:
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"So are you saying that when things are, um, different, it, you should, um, they should pay different amounts?"


"Can you elaborate on the question?"

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
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"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:20 pm

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"They don't all pay the same....so some have greater and some lesser...revenues and then, um, different fee amounts. You think this, you think this is a good system? It is...you think it is better than everyone paying the same amount?"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:22 pm

Prolieum wrote:[align=centerHouse Floor[/align]

"They don't all pay the same....so some have greater and some lesser...revenues and then, um, different fee amounts. You think this, you think this is a good system? It is...you think it is better than everyone paying the same amount?"


"Representative the main purpose of this system is to punish everyone fairly for violations. If say for instance we charged a flat 1 million dollar rate the large corporations will just shrug it off while the smaller corporations would not be able to pay. In charging a flat rate we ensure that violators get a free amount of punishment."

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
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Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:25 pm

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"That...so you think that is a good system?"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:27 pm

Prolieum wrote:
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"That...so you think that is a good system?"


"Yes, for the sake of punishment."

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:29 pm

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"Why should it, um, just be punishment?"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:31 pm

Prolieum wrote:
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"Why should it, um, just be punishment?"


"Representative, taxes are not punishment if that is what you are getting at irrelevant to this bill. I will refuse to answer any further questions down that rabbit hole as they have nothing to do with the bill on hand."

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:35 pm

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"No, not taxes....um, Representative, you, this bill makes different companies pay different amounts? That is, um, that's what this bill actually bans. If that, different proving, if it so, uh, bad, then why does your bill do it? And if, uh, it is good, why is it banned?"

"So if someone else they...they decided to charge on five percent of income? That would be illegal. But Representative, that's what you are doing."
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Postby Pantorrum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:35 pm

Parsons had just finished reading over some notes at his seat when he looked up.

"Representative, do you not trust the FCC to make a good decision on what is best for the internet? Because if you do not think the FCC can handle a problem like net neutrality on their own, then why do we even have the FCC?"
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Postby Dentali » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:36 pm

Brennan: "Why not just instruct the FCC to regulate it like other utilities? Why do we need this bill with additional guidelines?"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:38 pm

Prolieum wrote:
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"No, not taxes....um, Representative, you, this bill makes different companies pay different amounts? That is, um, that's what this bill actually bans. If that, different proving, if it so, uh, bad, then why does your bill do it? And if, uh, it is good, why is it banned?"

"So if someone else they...they decided to charge on five percent of income? That would be illegal. But Representative, that's what you are doing."


"This bill is meant to punish corrupt ISPs we are not providing a service here, we are not providing a product here, we are imposing a punishment. I am pretty certain that ISPs are not imposing a punishment on their consumers. And it is my opinion that in order for penalties and fines to work they must severely impact and punish everyone equally."

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:41 pm

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"Representative, so, so you think the poor should have to pay more...proportionately...by their income for internet, um, usage and packages than the rich?"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:56 pm

Pantorrum wrote:Parsons had just finished reading over some notes at his seat when he looked up.

"Representative, do you not trust the FCC to make a good decision on what is best for the internet? Because if you do not think the FCC can handle a problem like net neutrality on their own, then why do we even have the FCC?"


"Representative currently the FCC has the ability to just shutdown net neutrality if the wrong people get in. Furthermore, Title II the thing that protects net neutrality is not a law, and the FCC can repeal it at any time. Keep in mind that net neutrality is something supported by almost everyone in the country. If we want to maintain a free and open internet we must make sure that net neutrality becomes law, so that such a pivotal concept can be codified into law.

The thing is that the internet is not like the other utilities, for the other utility companies it is almost impossible to get away with bad practices without the public noticing, but for the internet, it is very much possible. Throttling is something that is a very big deal, and due to the unique nature of the internet, it cannot be regulated like the other utilities.

Representative Rossi, the poor have not committed any crimes, the sum of money is to extract punishment from the ISP providers. Unfortunately, the poor paying more of their income for basically anything is basically the system since the beginning of time. That is why we have welfare programs to help the poor, since we understand that they use more of income than the rich in just doing anything."

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Pantorrum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:01 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Pantorrum wrote:Parsons had just finished reading over some notes at his seat when he looked up.

"Representative, do you not trust the FCC to make a good decision on what is best for the internet? Because if you do not think the FCC can handle a problem like net neutrality on their own, then why do we even have the FCC?"


"Representative currently the FCC has the ability to just shutdown net neutrality if the wrong people get in. Furthermore, Title II the thing that protects net neutrality is not a law, and the FCC can repeal it at any time. Keep in mind that net neutrality is something supported by almost everyone in the country. If we want to maintain a free and open internet we must make sure that net neutrality becomes law, so that such a pivotal concept can be codified into law.

The thing is that the internet is not like the other utilities, for the other utility companies it is almost impossible to get away with bad practices without the public noticing, but for the internet, it is very much possible. Throttling is something that is a very big deal, and due to the unique nature of the internet, it cannot be regulated like the other utilities.

Representative Rossi, the poor have not committed any crimes, the sum of money is to extract punishment from the ISP providers. Unfortunately, the poor paying more of their income for basically anything is basically the system since the beginning of time. That is why we have welfare programs to help the poor, since we understand that they use more of income than the rich in just doing anything."


"So basically, you do not trust the FCC and are afraid they will repeal net neutrality protections? Why is it that you believe the FCC would make a decision that is bad for the nation? Do you not trust them to regulate the internet in such a way that is beneficial to America?"
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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:04 pm

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"Representative...that is not, is not answering the question. Representative, do you realize your bill makes giving discounts to the poor illegal?"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:05 pm

"I believe that every agency needs to have a directive, and this bill is expanding that directive. I did not say that I believe that the FCC will end net neutrality, but is said it was a possibility that it would happen. Now we may disagree on how much the FCC needs to regulate and how much it needs to get out of the way, but right now I hope that us two can agree that a fair and open internet be a bipartisan effort."

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:07 pm

Prolieum wrote:
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"Representative...that is not, is not answering the question. Representative, do you realize your bill makes giving discounts to the poor illegal?"


"That is red herring and you know it is Representative, ISPs have never given discounts to the poor."

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:08 pm

House Floor


Rossi firmed her voice a bit, thought it still held its night-omnipresent semi-quaver.

"Why should giving discounts to the poor be illegal Representative Johnson?"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:09 pm

Prolieum wrote:
House Floor


Rossi firmed her voice a bit, thought it still held its night-omnipresent semi-quaver.

"Why should giving discounts to the poor be illegal Representative Johnson?"


"Why are you utilizing a red herring Representative?"

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Prolieum » Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:12 pm

House Floor


"I...I am asking the questions here Representative. Your bill makes giving discounts to the poor illegal. Why?"
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"We are the Canadian Borg. Resistance would be impolite. Please wait to be assimilated. Pour l'assimilation en Francais, appuyer le numero deux."

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