Washington 2017 Political RP [CLOSED] OOC Pt. VII

[Tallahassee News Station]

Dude, gun reform was not even his topic.

He completely killed the plan he laid out by insulting her and walking out on her

Didn't insult her, was I rude, sure. But if you seriously are offended by that then.... no comment.

Why on earth would I be offended? I'm just pointing out that it was a dumb move

[Dentali]

Pro mediated this before and we reached a compromise, now Xath is pulling the same exact shit

A compromise that we restarted and Fowler went back to help.

I accepted and outlined at while he went back, she refused his help.

End of story.

No not at all true, the refusal of help was never outlined or established, all that was agreed on was that your staging made no sense and we had to rewind, then it made no sense for fowler not to react to her crying out. Fowler went back to help her and that was the last post on the incident

[Meelducan]

Hush

[Federal States of Xathuecia]

A compromise that we restarted and Fowler went back to help.

I accepted and outlined at while he went back, she refused his help.

End of story.

No not at all true, the refusal of help was never outlined or established, all that was agreed on was that your staging made no sense and we had to rewind, then it made no sense for fowler not to react to her crying out. Fowler went back to help her and that was the last post on the incident

I mean, if you want to RP it, we can. But she/her staff, will refuse to let you near her after you pushed her.

[United Christian]

Didn't insult her, was I rude, sure. But if you seriously are offended by that then.... no comment.

I don't know why you think people are personally offended when something transpires between characters...

I don't know why you think I'm thinking about any of this in the personal context. OOC or IC if you thought what I did was offensive it doesn't make sense. Was I rude, yeah and I will always admit that. My character is a Jackass but that's not offensive at all.

[Imperial Esplanade]

I don't know why you think people are personally offended when something transpires between characters...

I don't know why you think I'm thinking about any of this in the personal context. OOC or IC if you thought what I did was offensive it doesn't make sense. Was I rude, yeah and I will always admit that. My character is a Jackass but that's not offensive at all.

Clearly, it was offensive to SL.

[Dentali]

No not at all true, the refusal of help was never outlined or established, all that was agreed on was that your staging made no sense and we had to rewind, then it made no sense for fowler not to react to her crying out. Fowler went back to help her and that was the last post on the incident

I mean, if you want to RP it, we can. But she/her staff, will refuse to let you near her after you pushed her.

Of course I want to RP it! their is still a million thing Fowler could do. But it happened weeks ago now both in the RP and in Real life, Fowler has gotten interview questions on it. Its not fair to suddenly pull this out when it should have been handled weeks ago

[Main Nation Ministry]

Meed, when should Johnson get kidnapped?

[Prolieum]

That Stafford would refuse Fowler's help is no issue. It would have been preferable to continue the roleplay from that point, but that is a comparatively minor detail.

Two points, however, must be made elsewise.

1. That there was not a camera in the area was both established, and central to Stafford's plan. Were circumstances reversed, it would surely be argued that there was not a second camera. With no mention of said camera at any point in or out of character prior to the published accusation, it is not there.

2. For reinforcement, even in such a case that it is assumed that there was a camera present, it would not be of particular use. It was specifically mentioned in the post of Stafford's fall that she threw herself against the shelf, shown previously to be inside her office. A camera would show nothing but Fowler departing the room, then returning.

It is well within Stafford's rights to lie about the incident, or place a particular spin on it, and acceptable that she refuse aid. The manifestation of the never-before mentioned camera, however, is not.

[Argentarino]

Hey Pro, while you're here, do we know what turnout was for the 2016 election?

[Dentali]

That Stafford would refuse Fowler's help is no issue. It would have been preferable to continue the roleplay from that point, but that is a comparatively minor detail.

Two points, however, must be made elsewise.

1. That there was not a camera in the area was both established, and central to Stafford's plan. Were circumstances reversed, it would surely be argued that there was not a second camera. With no mention of said camera at any point in or out of character prior to the published accusation, it is not there.

2. For reinforcement, even in such a case that it is assumed that there was a camera present, it would not be of particular use. It was specifically mentioned in the post of Stafford's fall that she threw herself against the shelf, shown previously to be inside her office. A camera would show nothing but Fowler departing the room, then returning.

It is well within Stafford's rights to lie about the incident, or place a particular spin on it, and acceptable that she refuse aid. The manifestation of the never-before mentioned camera, however, is not.

Pro I know you're going to be impartial about all of this and I will trust your judgement. But I do not think it is a minor detail at all, Fowler 100% intended to do several actions following Stafford's fall regardless of whether or not help was refused.

[Prolieum]

That Stafford would refuse Fowler's help is no issue. It would have been preferable to continue the roleplay from that point, but that is a comparatively minor detail.

Two points, however, must be made elsewise.

1. That there was not a camera in the area was both established, and central to Stafford's plan. Were circumstances reversed, it would surely be argued that there was not a second camera. With no mention of said camera at any point in or out of character prior to the published accusation, it is not there.

2. For reinforcement, even in such a case that it is assumed that there was a camera present, it would not be of particular use. It was specifically mentioned in the post of Stafford's fall that she threw herself against the shelf, shown previously to be inside her office. A camera would show nothing but Fowler departing the room, then returning.

It is well within Stafford's rights to lie about the incident, or place a particular spin on it, and acceptable that she refuse aid. The manifestation of the never-before mentioned camera, however, is not.

Pro I know you're going to be impartial about all of this and I will trust your judgement. But I do not think it is a minor detail at all, Fowler 100% intended to do several actions following Stafford's fall regardless of whether or not help was refused.

Very well, I suppose if certain actions were intended, I will considered reopening that, if they are not possible to add by addendum. What actions would Fowler have performed?

[Prolieum]

Hey Pro, while you're here, do we know what turnout was for the 2016 election?

I do not. I divested myself from election results, that would be TNS's purview.

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Williams should have his trial by now.

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Speaking of which when he gets out Williams will cut the public defender program in Mississippi.

[Prolieum]

Williams should have his trial by now.

Lawyers ought to be arranged. With it being a Special Event however, we await the conclusion of the DUC.

[Dentali]

Pro I know you're going to be impartial about all of this and I will trust your judgement. But I do not think it is a minor detail at all, Fowler 100% intended to do several actions following Stafford's fall regardless of whether or not help was refused.

Very well, I suppose if certain actions were intended, I will considered reopening that, if they are not possible to add by addendum. What actions would Fowler have performed?

Fowler was incredibly suspicious of Stafford, if she suddenly took a fall and blamed him his suspicions would be confirmed. He would go immediately to the security room to gain copies of any and all tapes, he would take pictures of the entire scene and then immediately go to multiple media sources, he would hire a lawyer. Get out ahead of the whole thing and get into contact with everyone else Stafford has fucked over to destroy her credibility. Meanwhile he would go to the hospital and get recorded statements from all doctors involved with his lawyer present regarding the nature of her injuries. He would also take records of every single police office in the building especially the several that would be assigned to Stafford personally due to her important position, and establish how unbelievably stupid it would be to attack someone that well guarded and powerful. He would have gotten eyewitness statements from everyone he could to refute the narrative Fowler was yelling at Stafford. That and a dozen other things

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Williams should have his trial by now.

Lawyers ought to be arranged. With it being a Special Event however, we await the conclusion of the DUC.

I am still trying to complete my keynote it is nearing completion, expect it tomorrow afternoon.

[Prolieum]

Very well, I suppose if certain actions were intended, I will considered reopening that, if they are not possible to add by addendum. What actions would Fowler have performed?

Fowler was incredibly suspicious of Stafford, if she suddenly took a fall and blamed him his suspicions would be confirmed. He would go immediately to the security room to gain copies of any and all tapes, he would take pictures of the entire scene and then immediately go to multiple media sources, he would hire a lawyer. Get out ahead of the whole thing and get into contact with everyone else Stafford has fucked over to destroy her credibility. Meanwhile he would go to the hospital and get recorded statements from all doctors involved with his lawyer present regarding the nature of her injuries. He would also take records of every single police office in the building especially the several that would be assigned to Stafford personally due to her important position, and establish how unbelievably stupid it would be to attack someone that well guarded and powerful. He would have gotten eyewitness statements from everyone he could to refute the narrative Fowler was yelling at Stafford. That and a dozen other things

Most of those actions would either not be possible, or could have been completes regardless. Security tapes, as noted, were not available, and would not have been provided regardless. It is highly doubtful that Stafford's staff would have allowed him free access to the office for the purpose of taking pictures. Capitol police are not posted in Senate offices. Recording from them would be rather useless. Presuming Stafford was brought to the hospital, and it was implied she was not, doctors would further have no obligation nor incentive to record statements to Fowler.

Hiring of a lawyer and attacking Stafford's credibility both are actions that can be taken presently, or could have been taken in the interim.

The roleplay of Stafford refusing help would almost invariably include him being removed from the office. From that point, he can only complete most of the noted actions through stalking Stafford, or breaking and entering.

At worst, a continued roleplay could have Stafford summon Capitol Police to remove him.

If Xathuecia agrees as well to reopening that portion of the roleplay, it can be done, but Fowler is in little position to enhance his position.

[Prolieum]

If you do truly wish to attempt such, that portion of the roleplay can be reopened if Xathuecia consents. I see little benefit, however.

[Meelducan]

Meed, when should Johnson get kidnapped?

Now?

[Dentali]

Fowler was incredibly suspicious of Stafford, if she suddenly took a fall and blamed him his suspicions would be confirmed. He would go immediately to the security room to gain copies of any and all tapes, he would take pictures of the entire scene and then immediately go to multiple media sources, he would hire a lawyer. Get out ahead of the whole thing and get into contact with everyone else Stafford has fucked over to destroy her credibility. Meanwhile he would go to the hospital and get recorded statements from all doctors involved with his lawyer present regarding the nature of her injuries. He would also take records of every single police office in the building especially the several that would be assigned to Stafford personally due to her important position, and establish how unbelievably stupid it would be to attack someone that well guarded and powerful. He would have gotten eyewitness statements from everyone he could to refute the narrative Fowler was yelling at Stafford. That and a dozen other things

Most of those actions would either not be possible, or could have been completes regardless. Security tapes, as noted, were not available, and would not have been provided regardless. It is highly doubtful that Stafford's staff would have allowed him free access to the office for the purpose of taking pictures. Capitol police are not posted in Senate offices. Recording from them would be rather useless. Presuming Stafford was brought to the hospital, and it was implied she was not, doctors would further have no obligation nor incentive to record statements to Fowler.

Hiring of a lawyer and attacking Stafford's credibility both are actions that can be taken presently, or could have been taken in the interim.

The roleplay of Stafford refusing help would almost invariably include him being removed from the office. From that point, he can only complete most of the noted actions through stalking Stafford, or breaking and entering.

At worst, a continued roleplay could have Stafford summon Capitol Police to remove him.

If Xathuecia agrees as well to reopening that portion of the roleplay, it can be done, but Fowler is in little position to enhance his position.

Look i'd rather drop the whole fucking thing. This is a dick move on Xath's part and I honestly don't see how it can be justified just pulling this out of his ass 2 weeks later. It's not like Xath and I haven't been active players.


But if Xath insists on going this route than I would sure as hell drag this out an go back. I need access to the crime scene immediately to clear my name, and if i need a lawyer to treat it as such I will

[Tallahassee News Station]

Very well, I suppose if certain actions were intended, I will considered reopening that, if they are not possible to add by addendum. What actions would Fowler have performed?

Fowler was incredibly suspicious of Stafford, if she suddenly took a fall and blamed him his suspicions would be confirmed. He would go immediately to the security room to gain copies of any and all tapes, he would take pictures of the entire scene and then immediately go to multiple media sources, he would hire a lawyer. Get out ahead of the whole thing and get into contact with everyone else Stafford has fucked over to destroy her credibility. Meanwhile he would go to the hospital and get recorded statements from all doctors involved with his lawyer present regarding the nature of her injuries. He would also take records of every single police office in the building especially the several that would be assigned to Stafford personally due to her important position, and establish how unbelievably stupid it would be to attack someone that well guarded and powerful. He would have gotten eyewitness statements from everyone he could to refute the narrative Fowler was yelling at Stafford. That and a dozen other things

Uh, dude, Fowler's not a private detective. He can't just go into hospitals and start recording statements from doctors, or set up a crime scene in someone else's office

[Main Nation Ministry]

Meed, when should Johnson get kidnapped?

Now?

Does Johnson have time or is available?

[Dentali]

Fowler was incredibly suspicious of Stafford, if she suddenly took a fall and blamed him his suspicions would be confirmed. He would go immediately to the security room to gain copies of any and all tapes, he would take pictures of the entire scene and then immediately go to multiple media sources, he would hire a lawyer. Get out ahead of the whole thing and get into contact with everyone else Stafford has fucked over to destroy her credibility. Meanwhile he would go to the hospital and get recorded statements from all doctors involved with his lawyer present regarding the nature of her injuries. He would also take records of every single police office in the building especially the several that would be assigned to Stafford personally due to her important position, and establish how unbelievably stupid it would be to attack someone that well guarded and powerful. He would have gotten eyewitness statements from everyone he could to refute the narrative Fowler was yelling at Stafford. That and a dozen other things

Uh, dude, Fowler's not a private detective. He can't just go into hospitals and start recording statements from doctors, or set up a crime scene in someone else's office

hence the lawyer, he wouldn't do all this himself but he would start a criminal investigation and get out ahead of it, not let Stafford control the scene and the narrative.