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The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune
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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:09 pm

Ormata wrote:
The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:The planet went dark before the machine rebellion. Following Saturn's initial secession the entire Solway network which was the interplanetary communication method before the war went down, as Saturn had been the core of it. The machines rose up around 5 monthes later when it was deemed an optimal strike time. Saturn just never went back online.


So...why did Earth, or for that matter most of everyone else, send vessels, a cruiser, or some other nice little thing (Say, a probe) to investigate and why wasn't this constant loss of vessel, if such a thing occurred, logged, noted, and known? I mean, if one has five months to react to an entire planet suddenly not talking, which is a big thing, why wouldn't someone do that...?


No no, every planet went silent. Basically, the Solway network was an extremely efficient method of interplanetary communication based out of Saturn, where it's prime AI was housed. When the war started, Saturn was the third to secede, and disconnected the Solway network. From that point on, each Solway AI acted on it's own before a preset strike time, deemed optimal in the war between 5-7 monthes was achieved, and the machines rose up. Do you want me to make a timeline based on events from people's apps?


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The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:
The planet went dark before the machine rebellion. Following Saturn's initial secession the entire Solway network which was the interplanetary communication method before the war went down, as Saturn had been the core of it. The machines rose up around 5 monthes later when it was deemed an optimal strike time. Saturn just never went back online.

It would probably be better to assume that, if Earth knows, then that information has gotten out to some extent or another. Perhaps not to the general populace of the entire system, but certainly to significant enough numbers. It'd be hard to keep a machine uprising and subsequent genocide on a major former colony, lack of communication notwithstanding, under wraps for several decades. It'd be likely that, even if people weren't sure what happened, that there'd be political pressure from the populace to investigate. Conspiracy theories about what happened to Saturn would abound while select groups who knew the truth would likely be dismissed as cranks.

Saturn truthers, if you would. Just, you know, not actually full of shit like regular conspiracy truthers.

You don't have to go with the absolute dark option to keep the idea interesting. Compromising that actually makes it more interesting from a narrative perspective.


I do like this though. If you want some people to know go ahead, as well as larger governments keeping the truth secret.

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Postby New Grestin » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:13 pm

The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:It would probably be better to assume that, if Earth knows, then that information has gotten out to some extent or another. Perhaps not to the general populace of the entire system, but certainly to significant enough numbers. It'd be hard to keep a machine uprising and subsequent genocide on a major former colony, lack of communication notwithstanding, under wraps for several decades. It'd be likely that, even if people weren't sure what happened, that there'd be political pressure from the populace to investigate. Conspiracy theories about what happened to Saturn would abound while select groups who knew the truth would likely be dismissed as cranks.

Saturn truthers, if you would. Just, you know, not actually full of shit like regular conspiracy truthers.

You don't have to go with the absolute dark option to keep the idea interesting. Compromising that actually makes it more interesting from a narrative perspective.


I do like this though. If you want some people to know go ahead, as well as larger governments keeping the truth secret.[/quote]
I think that would make the most sense. If Saturn was the center of the Solway network and it seceding and suddenly going dark cut that network off, then at least a few governments would have looked into it. Earth knows, but never went public for fear of causing a panic. It's likely other worlds in the general orbital area know as well, to some extent or another. The machine uprising is likely known to most governments, but not as much to the public.
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Postby The Williams Empire » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:16 pm

Hmm interesting...

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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:17 pm

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I do like this though. If you want some people to know go ahead, as well as larger governments keeping the truth secret.

I think that would make the most sense. If Saturn was the center of the Solway network and it seceding and suddenly going dark cut that network off, then at least a few governments would have looked into it. Earth knows, but never went public for fear of causing a panic. It's likely other worlds in the general orbital area know as well, to some extent or another. The machine uprising is likely known to most governments, but not as much to the public.


Well there goes the whole point of making that acceptance message subtle. Goodbye Solar Congress ambitions.
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Postby Ormata » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:18 pm

Dammit people fix your quote formats lol.

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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:20 pm

NS's auto-quote appears to be broken.

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Postby Beiarusia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:22 pm

New Grestin wrote:I think that would make the most sense. If Saturn was the center of the Solway network and it seceding and suddenly going dark cut that network off, then at least a few governments would have looked into it. Earth knows, but never went public for fear of causing a panic. It's likely other worlds in the general orbital area know as well, to some extent or another. The machine uprising is likely known to most governments, but not as much to the public.

I mean, unless ADVENT had some incentive not to go public with such information we probably would have given that a machine uprising kinda threatens a reunification of humanity under one banner.

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Postby Ulls » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:24 pm

I'm going to try and aim for Nibiru, will see if it's the same "twin-tail planet" that is said in the legends.

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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:25 pm

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New Grestin wrote:I think that would make the most sense. If Saturn was the center of the Solway network and it seceding and suddenly going dark cut that network off, then at least a few governments would have looked into it. Earth knows, but never went public for fear of causing a panic. It's likely other worlds in the general orbital area know as well, to some extent or another. The machine uprising is likely known to most governments, but not as much to the public.

I mean, unless ADVENT had some incentive not to go public with such information we probably would have given that a machine uprising kinda threatens a reunification of humanity under one banner.


Considering Advent is a company unless I'm mistaken at the most god forsaken corner of humankind, you probably wouldn't be in on the conspiracy.

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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:30 pm

I'm probably going to try and colonize Tau Ceti, beginning with Tau Ceti C.

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Postby The Hierophancy » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:33 pm

What's the FTL we're using?

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Postby Beiarusia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:35 pm

The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:
Beiarusia wrote:I mean, unless ADVENT had some incentive not to go public with such information we probably would have given that a machine uprising kinda threatens a reunification of humanity under one banner.


Considering Advent is a company unless I'm mistaken at the most god forsaken corner of humankind, you probably wouldn't be in on the conspiracy.

We're not a company. We were a research station utilized by the Confederacy that became independent only because we were cut off from Earth. I guess we sorta fit into that role, but we don't consider ourselves a corporations, something more like Aperture Science but a lot less crazy.

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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:36 pm

Beiarusia wrote:
The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:
Considering Advent is a company unless I'm mistaken at the most god forsaken corner of humankind, you probably wouldn't be in on the conspiracy.

We're not a company. We were a research station utilized by the Confederacy that became independent only because we were cut off from Earth. I guess we sorta fit into that role, but we don't consider ourselves a corporations, something more like Aperture Science but a lot less crazy.


That's close enough, I think. Also you are on Pluto, so news would likely be slow to reach you. You can do what you want though.

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Postby Ulls » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:38 pm

The Hierophancy wrote:What's the FTL we're using?

Guessing Alcubure since it would see the most realistic approach.

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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Tue Jul 04, 2017 9:44 pm

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The Hierophancy wrote:What's the FTL we're using?

Guessing Alcubure since it would see the most realistic approach.


That, or Psionic, or wormhole. I personally prefer a good ole fashioned unexplained Warp Drive.

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Postby Bereia » Tue Jul 04, 2017 10:16 pm

NS Name: Bereia.
Nation Name: Crown Dominion of Ganymede.
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Capitol Planet Ganymede.
Territorial Claims: Ganymede + claims to Jupiter's resources which may or may not be contested.
Leader: Her Royal Majesty Queen Victoria I Enki, Tyrant & Dominatrix of Ganymede.
Leader Biography: Born fifteen years before the war's end to the leaders of an uprising by genetically engineered miners revolting against what amounted to indentured servitude by large-scale interplanetary corporations, Victoria Enki is the first formally inaugurated monarch of the nascent Crown Dominion, though her father was King in all but name. Now thirty-five, she has served in her nation's military as required by law, rising to the rank of Major in the Dominion Marines before leaving the service in 2126 to take up her crown at her father's death. Well-educated and calm, her demeanor is naturally quiet and reserved. As well as her military qualifications, she has an MBA from Enki Catena University.
Governing Ideology: Timocracy/Rule of Virtue. The upper house of the national legislature, the Senate, is closed to all who have not served in the national military forces, as is the office of the President, which is elected by veterans. The monarch and the monarch's children also must serve.
Population (Total): Approx. 2,000,000,000 total.
Military Personnel (Total): 100,000,000*.
Weaponry & Equipment: Based on their no frills, form after function ideology, the weapons and military hardware of the Crown Dominion are very rugged, based on proved technologies and some hands-on, whatever works brand ingenuity. Missiles with chemical explosive warheads, autocannon, mass accelerator cannon, basic but very well-fueled lasers, and even blades see service and are honed to a fine edge of effective lethality. Old mining equipment was sometimes re-purposed for military use in the past, and some such ideas were built upon into the present.

Psionics are almost nonexistent in the Crown Dominion due to the genetic engineering program which created the bulk of the local populace having deliberately sought to weed it out. Exceptions have been known to occur, such as the current royal family, and a few others, but most psionics in the Crown Dominion are of immigrant stock, and those in service are husbanded carefully.
Fleet Size (Total):
Starship Types: As with their military kit and weapons, the warships of the C.D.N. follow a very function-first mentality. They are notoriously ugly, but also very well-built, heavily armored, and heavily laden with missile tubes, auto-cannon turrets, MAC positions, and the like.

Of note, as of 2127 the Crown Republic operates no dedicated carriers, however every ship large enough to do so carries a small compliment of strike craft, ranging from half a dozen or less on destroyers, to aerospace wings on battleships large enough to equal the small carriers of rival navies.
Nation History: The people of Ganymede were slaves. Well, not strictly speaking slaves, but the indenture contracts they were born into were close enough to irk. Engineering to be stronger, live longer have greater physical endurance, but have an almost zero occurrence of psionics, they were meant to run the enormous mining complexes of Ganymede and Jupiter, which they call Jove and speak of with semi-reverence.

During the mass outbreak of civil wars, they did the obvious thing and rose up. Post-war, they formed a government based largely on the old Roman Republic.

They seek to build the Crown Dominion into a powerhouse which dominates the system from Sol out to the Kuiper Belt, and will stop at nothing to achieve this goal.
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Postby The Central Shadow Nation » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:05 pm

Whats happening in the IC
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Postby PLESSUR » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:07 pm

Would somebody be able to have a look at my app? :unsure:

EDIT I see I've been added to the roster, so I'll assume I've been accepted. *Sulphurous smells intensify*
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Veskesh wrote:Jeez if Turkey keeps having these coups they'll be kicked out of NATO and won't be able to join the EU....

The USA was in NATO when the American Civil War happened, but the Confederacy coup didn't cause it to be kicked out, did it?

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Postby The Hierophancy » Tue Jul 04, 2017 11:19 pm

NS Name: The Hierophancy
Nation Name: Interim Government of the Sol Confederacy
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Capitol Planet Ceres
Territorial Claims: Ceres, surrounding asteroids and small stations (officially claims the entire Solar System)
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General Administrator Robert Lebedev, Viceroy of the Belt, Governor of Ceres & Interim Consul of the Solar Confederation
Leader Biography: [spoiler]Robert Lebedev was born into privilege, fathered by the famed John-Ivan Lebedev - governor and colonial representative of the Cereian Commonwealth, who in turn was son of Joseph-Iosif Lebedev, a member of the European Parliament who himself claimed descent from various Russian, English, French, and Romanian noblemen. Robert spent his childhood - from his birth in 2078 to 2090 - living in his family's secluded Siberian estate, raised for the most part by governesses after his mother's return to Ceres in 2082 with only infrequent visits from his far removed parents. After 12 years on Earth, however, Robert's father deemed his son ready to learn the family trade, moving the young boy from his idyllic life in the oxygen wilderness of Earth to the cold, white and sterile existence that was life upon Ceres. There Robert would finish his education, forge early ties and relationships with Ceres political establishment, and eventually attend the local Confederate Naval Academy. After a few years of study, Robert entered the ranks of the Cereian Self Defense Force at the age of 20 as First Officer of t*he C.D.F Giuseppe Piazzi Beta-class interceptor, though such a title isn't incredibly impressive when your ship crew totals 3. Robert's tour of duty would be relatively brief and quite uneventful, and though he received some distinction for his part in the termination of the Black Star Cartel the Long Peace offered very little in the way of military action, even as its sun began to set. In 2100, Robert was released from military service and promptly ran for a seat in the Cereian Senate, seeking to represent the trade station of Port Cuthbert on a thoroughly ordinary platform advocating staying the course so far as personal freedoms and deregulating much if the Cereian economy to entice corporate investment and trade. Due to an effective advertising campaign and general lack of organized or particularly well known opposition, the 22 year old veteran would win by a respectable margin. Some 5 years later, just prior to the Cereian elections for governor, John-Ivan Lebedev announced that he would not be running for another term, instead finding contentment in spending the rest of his years on Earth, in retirement. To succeed him, John endorsed his son, Robert, who at roughly the same time declared his own intention to run for Governor, vowing to stay his fathers course. Thanks mainly to his father's general popularity and a clean - though relatively bland - track record, Robert would be sworn in as Governor of the Cereian Commonwealth in 2105. At first his reign looked to be uneventful enough, until, of course, the complete breakdown of the Sol Confederacy. Rebellion on Ceres was, compared to some other colonies, relatively minor, though both it and the civil war as a whole came as a complete surprise to Robert, who wasn't exactly in touch with the common people. Largely unacquainted with unrest and obstacles in general, Robert stood idyll as Alpha, Yule, Bianjiang and Orion Station fell to dissatisfied militiamen - mainly former freighter pilots and dockworkers whose jobs had been rendered mostly obsolete with the complete collapse of the interplanetary economy. With the Unions organizing a general strike, attempts by the Cereian Senate to officially declare independence and accept rebel demands, and military unrest in the face of a Governor seemingly unwilling to act and a federal government unable to help, Robert Lebedev didn't seem likely to survive till months end. However, after a few months, Lebedev's confusion and indecision gave way to wroth, and by the end of 2108 the Senate had been dissolved and a good third of Cere's population had been slaughtered (As detailed in National History...) Since then, Lebedev has ensured that Democracy and good old Solar values would be preserved, at least on Ceres if nowhere else, looking upon the various traitors, tyrants, and upjumped thieves scrambling over the remains of a once glorious Confederacy with nothing but disdain and a simmering rage.

Governing Ideology: Reactionary Democracy
Population (Total): 658,000
Military Personnel (Total): 56,000 (not including Automated Infantry Units)
Weaponry & Equipment (Including Vehicles): Due to a relatively low population and military strength mainly focused upon it's fleet, nearly all Cereian ground forces are robotic in nature.
Solar Space Command Marine
CA23 Kinetic Rifle
Vengeance Class AIU
Xuannu Mark 3 (X3) Heavy AIU
AX144 Atmospheric Gunship
H21 Rubicon Hovertank
U327 Interceptor
Pegasus 2 Transport
Fleet Size (Total): 171 Warships
Starship Types:
Beta-Class Interceptor
Alpha-Class Battleship
Theta-Class Battleship
Gaia-Class Carrier
Longmarch Class Superheavy Capital Ship
Gnat-Class Harasser
Harpy-Class Heavy Assault Craft
Tiger-Class Assault Craft
Nation History:
The Interim Government of the Sol Confederacy, or as it's more commonly referred to the Cereian Commonwelath, is a direct continuation of the Cereian colonial government and, depending on who you ask, the last bastion of the Sol Confederacy. Ceres was one of the first bodies in the Belt colonized, and for decades acted as a major trade and production hub - the beating heart of both Belt industry and trade between the Outer and Inner system. It's people, long enamored and content with the easy profits, lax law and general good times to be found working and living in the Belt, were staunch supporters of the government and ideology that had led to the fabled Long Peace and glorious golden age of trade, personal freedom and high wages available on Ceres. Historic issues with belter pirates and illegal prospectors lead to what was at the time a relatively large stellar fleet, and the regions strategic importance meant one of the most extensive Confederate garrisons of the Long Peace. However, all good things must come to an end, and when the economy took a major downturn, Ceres - so reliant on taxing trade and selling products to the other members of the Confederacy - was hit hard. Though it remained relatively wealthy through in-belt trade and Cere's domestic economy, the planet's lower class, most of whom worked in industries related to the flow of trade, found themselves jobless, souring the previously flawless opinion of the Feds. The attempted military coup of 2107 proved to be the final straw, and the workers of some 5 Cereian stations rose in revolution, demanding independence and, depending on the revolutionary group, a Workers State, Military Dictatorship, or complete anarchy. With the governorship simply allowing station after station to fall to rebellion and the Self Defense Force set to garrisoning only the capital, the Cereian Senate was inclined to meet rebel demands and secede from the Confederacy, which wasn't exactly in a position to aid Ceres at the time. It seemed Ceres was like to go the way of her sister colonies, and within a few months of the revolutions start the Cereian Senate was ready to vote on surrendering to the rebels and seceding from the Confederacy. It was then that Governor Robert Lebedev, previously inert and forgotten in his private station orbiting Ceres, took action, deploying military forces across the Commonwealth. It only took a few days for the loyalist army to secure the various asteroids and small mining stations pledged to Ceres, and the "ground" campaign proved near as quick, with 3 of previously largest Cereian residential stations - those that had taken up arms against the Confederacy - abruptly flooded with a delightful blend of neurotoxin and engineered superviral soups, their air filtration and dispersion systems captured and used against them. The remaining revolutionaries laid down their arms within a few days of that, though even after surrendering Bianjiang Station was purged as an example to the rest. Known rebels and the entire Cereian senate were promptly detained by the Governor and his federally aligned military forces. Lebedev, vowing to remain loyal to the Confederates, launched a campaign to purge the nearby Belt of rebel forces, though after a few months of chasing guerrillas and a failed siege of Vesta, the Governor relegated himself to holding onto Ceres itself. After suspending elections, Lebedev would rule as governor of Ceres for some 10 years, though exactly who he was loyal too was unclear considering the total destruction of the Sol Confederacy even on Earth. With the formation of the Second Earth Confederacy, Lebedev grew disillusioned with this new Confederation and its right wing, tyrannical ways. As such, he announces that this "Confederation" is by no means related to the old Sol Confederacy, citing the Terran civil war and the years long stretch of a disunited Earth without even a claimant to the Sol Confederacy, and declares that Ceres - as the only region to remain uninterrupted in its loyalty to the Sol Confederacy and her ideals, is the sole remnant of the old pan-human nation, and as such the old colonial government was all that remained of the Sol Confederacy. As the only remaining high-level government official in the Sol Confederacy, Lebedev assembled a cabinate, reformed the "Solar Space Command" and declared himself Interim Consul until such a time as all citizens of the Sol Confederacy are able to take part in fair elections.
Despite the stain of genocide and the bloody yet brief crackdown on revolutionaries and general disdain towards malcontents, the Sol Confederacy has remained largely loyal to its founding ideals, save perhaps elected officials. Social freedoms remain considerably greater than say those found in the Earth Confederacy, with generally lax legal restrictions and a strict adherence towards progressive thought and society.

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Postby Sha Mobutia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:27 am

I have a question related to my claim, which is sort of like the "9th Planet" issue that was discussed a few pages back.

Some scientists theorize that Sedna has a moon as dims and brightens again roughly every 20 days. This is much slower than it is felt it should for its projected size and mass, so the popular theory among many is that it has a moon which it shares a relationship with much like Charon and Pluto. That is to say that at some point in its early life Sedna may have had a much faster rotation before it managed to capture. This unnamed heavenly body did to Sedna what Charon did to Pluto and what the Moon is doing to Earth: gradually slowing its rotation by gravitational influence. In this case until it was slowed to an approximately 20-day long orbit that more or less means Sedna's moon would seem to be in more or less the same spot over the planet at any particular time (on one side of the planet the moon would be there day and night while on the other it essentially would never appear).

Four theories exist about why we haven't seen the moon despite Sedna behaving like it has one.

  • Reason 1)
      We've just really managed to luck out and hit the roughly 1-in-100 numerical chance that the moon is hiding behind Sedna and thus can't be seen from Earth.
  • Reason 2)
    • The most likely, if the Kuiper Belt is composed of the various things we believe, is that the moon is far more faint than we went in expecting. Its believed by many members of the scientific community that many bodies in the Kuiper Belt have incredibly dark/faint surfaces compared to those bodies closer to the center of the system.
  • Reason 3)
    • More likely than Reason 1 but less likely than Reason 2: it could be that the moon is gone. Its possible that the moon in question was destroyed in an impact of some kind (though that would likely to lead to a more pock-marked and damaged surface than Sedna seems to have) or it could have been stripped away in a close encounter with another planetoid. Though this isn't suspected as the most likely theory by some.
  • Reason 4)
    • It could be circumstantial. It is plausible that we measured wrong and that there isn't actually any alteration in Sedna's brightness. We can't really observe it at present any longer because its far too close to the sun to observe safely.
    • The second explanation could be that it (admittedly unlikely) has a rotation cycle roughly equivalent to Earth in the range of twenty five hours. For perspective: lets say you could only look at a clock once every 25 hours. On day 1 it says 12:00, on day 2 it says 13:00, and so on and so forth. If you didn't know any better to say otherwise then you might deduce that the clock only moves a little bit every twenty or more hours. The measurements of Sedna's brightness were taken every twenty four hours so it is in the realm of possibility that Sedna actually has a rotation similar in speed to that of Earth - though this isn't likely.
So long as it doesn't upset anybody too much then I would like to operate on the assumption of Reason 2. To say that Sedna has a moon that is roughly 3/4 to 1/2 the size of Sedna and an eight to a tenth as dense. I'd need to do some digging to find out what minerals or elements would likely be appropriate for it to appear so dark from Earth that it would scarcely show up even when directly in view. Does anybody disapprove? Or if not and you are for it would you have any suggestions? I'm mainly asking for flair and flavor in my posts regarding the Collective's home.
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Postby Ulls » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:31 am

Quick question, do we already have enough information of the Sol local cluster to start the first stages of colonization or are we expected to start doing the exploration?

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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:33 am

Ulls wrote:Quick question, do we already have enough information of the Sol local cluster to start the first stages of colonization or are we expected to start doing the exploration?


We can't leave the system right now, nor for a little while until the Solar Storms abate.

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Postby The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:35 am

Sha Mobutia wrote:I have a question related to my claim, which is sort of like the "9th Planet" issue that was discussed a few pages back.

Some scientists theorize that Sedna has a moon as dims and brightens again roughly every 20 days. This is much slower than it is felt it should for its projected size and mass, so the popular theory among many is that it has a moon which it shares a relationship with much like Charon and Pluto. That is to say that at some point in its early life Sedna may have had a much faster rotation before it managed to capture. This unnamed heavenly body did to Sedna what Charon did to Pluto and what the Moon is doing to Earth: gradually slowing its rotation by gravitational influence. In this case until it was slowed to an approximately 20-day long orbit that more or less means Sedna's moon would seem to be in more or less the same spot over the planet at any particular time (on one side of the planet the moon would be there day and night while on the other it essentially would never appear).

Four theories exist about why we haven't seen the moon despite Sedna behaving like it has one.

  • Reason 1)
      We've just really managed to luck out and hit the roughly 1-in-100 numerical chance that the moon is hiding behind Sedna and thus can't be seen from Earth.
  • Reason 2)
    • The most likely, if the Kuiper Belt is composed of the various things we believe, is that the moon is far more faint than we went in expecting. Its believed by many members of the scientific community that many bodies in the Kuiper Belt have incredibly dark/faint surfaces compared to those bodies closer to the center of the system.
  • Reason 3)
    • More likely than Reason 1 but less likely than Reason 2: it could be that the moon is gone. Its possible that the moon in question was destroyed in an impact of some kind (though that would likely to lead to a more pock-marked and damaged surface than Sedna seems to have) or it could have been stripped away in a close encounter with another planetoid. Though this isn't suspected as the most likely theory by some.
  • Reason 4)
    • It could be circumstantial. It is plausible that we measured wrong and that there isn't actually any alteration in Sedna's brightness. We can't really observe it at present any longer because its far too close to the sun to observe safely.
    • The second explanation could be that it (admittedly unlikely) has a rotation cycle roughly equivalent to Earth in the range of twenty five hours. For perspective: lets say you could only look at a clock once every 25 hours. On day 1 it says 12:00, on day 2 it says 13:00, and so on and so forth. If you didn't know any better to say otherwise then you might deduce that the clock only moves a little bit every twenty or more hours. The measurements of Sedna's brightness were taken every twenty four hours so it is in the realm of possibility that Sedna actually has a rotation similar in speed to that of Earth - though this isn't likely.
So long as it doesn't upset anybody too much then I would like to operate on the assumption of Reason 2. To say that Sedna has a moon that is roughly 3/4 to 1/2 the size of Sedna and an eight to a tenth as dense. I'd need to do some digging to find out what minerals or elements would likely be appropriate for it to appear so dark from Earth that it would scarcely show up even when directly in view. Does anybody disapprove? Or if not and you are for it would you have any suggestions? I'm mainly asking for flair and flavor in my posts regarding the Collective's home.


I would say with the size of Sedna, any moon would likely be negligble for anything, considering Sedna has a regular orbit for a kuiper belt object, unlike the binary system of Charon and Pluto. So you can do it, but be prepared to make that thing a glorified asteroid.

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Postby Ulls » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:46 am

You know, they could've made an ecosystem inside the asteroid, would be something to see.

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Postby Sha Mobutia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 5:50 am

The Anarcho-Syndicalist Commune wrote:-snip-


Actually they say Sedna's rotation - if we've measured it accurately - is significantly slower than it should be. And its orbit is far more elliptical than much of the rest of the Belt.

Though yeah in comparison to literally any actual planet's, Sedna's "moon" would be little more than a dark clump of rock. In comparison to Sedna it'd probably be rather sizeable (but then again you just have to be roughly comparable to Pluto to claim that).

I was mostly asking for flavor and setting. The most I could imagine a body of that size being any good for would be a refueling point for short-range cutters and similar ships and a communication relay for ships and sites within the Collective's sphere of influence. A handful of folks with the cyberpunk equivalent of a vegetable patch, a HAM radio, and a diesel pump.
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