Game of Thrones: A Rite of Conquest (Concluded) [OOC]

[Sil Arion]

What about a major/rich lord bannerman? Hightower, Reyne, Bolton, Royce, Blackwood, Bracken, Rowan, etc. There's quite a few.

We do need a Tully IIRC.

Oh?! Thanks for the suggestions. House Reyne sounds interesting. Hightower even more. Not sure about Tully.

I'll likely app for Hightower then later tonight. Til then, cheers!

Edit: Scratch that. App up tomorrow. Got to get to bed. Early morning and busy day ahead.

[Albertae]

I'd like to be a Knight for a house, a master-of-arms, swornsword for a house, or a mercenary captain.

Is anyone looking for any of the aforementioned?
Are all of the aforementioned ideas currently acceptable under this RP's rules?
And am I allowed to be an organization or group instead of a house noble?

House Lannister would hire you, we are looking for aid in an upcoming fight

Great, what exactly are you looking for? A knight, a man with great military skill and knowledge (master-at-arms), or a swornsword? Seems mercenary captain isn't big with Valyria since there won't be any ongoing conflicts at the start of the RP, which I have to agree would prompt no need for mercenaries in Westeros.

[The Valyria Empire]

Loren I Lannister

Much better, however there isn't any weapons so I guess he isn't a fighter? Accepted

House Name: Highfalls

Accepted

Mern IX Gardener

Accepted

Argilac Durrandon

Accepted

Meria Martell, Princess of Dorne

I know this has been a great debate but I ask that you lower Dorne's manpower to just 30K. Also are you not going to control other family members of House Martell? That's what the notes section is for.

Character Roster

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Aegon and Aenar of House Targaryen-The Valyria Empire
Rhaenys, Naerys of House Targaryen and Ser Steffon Darke-Nuxipal
Daemon of House Velaryon and Aurion Varezys of Spicetown-Warg The Immortal
King Torrhen of House Stark and Prince Arthur of House Stark-Eraus
King Loren of House Lannister-Dentali
Queen Regent Sharra and Keeper of the Moon Gates Osric of House Arryn-Blackledge
Lord Karl of House Highfall-Ism
King Argilac of House Durrandon-Lunas Legion
King Mern IX of House Gardener-Jhet
Lord Alaric of House Dayne, The Sword of the Morning-Krugmar

[Dentali]

@Val he knows how to fight but it's not his focus at all. He's got the standard military equipment but nothing crazy or iconic

[Jhet]

With regards to characters to APP there is also the High Septon. You know, the guy who has the loyalty of the Faith Militant and a good chunk of pious lords across Westeros. Though that does raise the question why there was no religious campaign against the ironborn for the riverlands, when there was one against the beautiful foreign gods who rode fire-breathing monsters.

Decent is subjective. I consider 25,000 decent compared to less than 20,000. The "Seven Kingdoms" is a reference to the seven kingdoms that existed when Aegon conquered Westeros (sans Dorne). There are nine constituent regions in the AGOT era.

Aye 25k is fair enough, since they were able to field 10k reluctantly.

It relates to the seven kingdoms that existed during Aegons time: North, Mountain and Vale, Isles and Rivers, Westerlands, Stormlands, Reach, Dorne. Thats the Seven. However in more modern times the Seven (when discussing them individually) appears to set the iron isles aside in favour of the riverlands and leaves out the Crownlands (which is easily argued as a political thing since they are treated separately to other nobles). Which makes sense given that the riverlands is where the ironborn settled and tried to rule from as opposed to the bleak isles, and reinforces the idea that the iron isles really are separate from the mainland both culturally and traditionally.

"Dornishmen and Northmen alike are derided as savages by the ignorant of the five civilized kingdoms. The Dornishmen boast that theirs is the oldest of the Seven Kingdoms of Westeros."

[Of the Quendi]

Meria Martell, Princess of Dorne

I know this has been a great debate but I ask that you lower Dorne's manpower to just 30K. Also are you not going to control other family members of House Martell? That's what the notes section is for.

Fair enough, the arguments made for less than the North and Vale numbers are convincing, I stand corrected.

Yes I would of course wish to RP other members of the family if no one else signs up as them.

[The Vekta-Helghast Empire]

House Name: House Clarifont.

House Sigil: Sigil. Banner.

House Words: The Bay is our Bastion.

Allegiance Paid to: House Durrandon.

House Seat: Location. The Estate. - Blackwater Keep.

Approx Number of military at command: One-Hundred Retainers.

History of the House (At least two well written paragraphs please): When discussing the history of house Clarifont, it’s important to understand that there are two versions of their tale. One mythological, that you’d tell your children when they’re too young to understand or appreciate the political and military undertones of the real tale. The real tale being one of blood and iron.

The mythical tale - is precisely that. It has no basis in reality and is simply there to assist in the education of children - to teach them important values and ideals of the family. It tells the tale of a young-woman walking along the banks of Blackwater Bay, gazing out over calm waters - holding her son close to her bosom - then, from the dark depths of the bay, a figure began to arise. An old, worn man made his way up the beach to her side and whilst extending a single finger, he pointed to the child, uttering the word - “Clarifont.” He told the woman of a great destiny before the child. And of a future in which he’d do a great many deeds. The story continues with a number of prose and mini-tales of morality, such as helping those in need, donating to the church, etcetera. But the important part comes later - when the boy Clarifont is fully grown and has just defeated a mighty giant in single combat and on that spot, they erected Clarifont manor, as an eternal reminder of his noble deeds and of his great quest.

The real story however, is far less exciting. House Clarifont came to Westeros with the Andal invasion - their clique just so happened to swear loyalty to the right people. Long ago, they were far more significant than they are today - owning an actual castle, rather than just a manor, some even say they were able to field a thousand men in the day. But in the anarchy following the Andal invasion - their lands were ravaged by war. Their former holding nothing more than a mound of dirt. With Blackwater Manor as the last bastion of Clarifont power in the realm. Currently held by Ser Alexander Clarifont, the only true-born son of Richard Clarifont and the last of the main Clarifont bloodline - though that’s not to say others don’t exist, scattered throughout the lands, some even having forgotten their noble heritage and taken up common life. But they, they have very little significance in the brave new world.

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Name: Ser Alexander Clarifont.

House: House Clarifont.

Age: Twenty-Five.

Gender: Male.

Titles: Lord of Blackwater Keep, Knight of the Stormlands.

House Seat: Blackwater Keep.

House Sigil: Sigil. Banner.

Allegiance paid to: House Durrandon.

Appearance: As per request.

Personality: Alexander is a hard man to describe, charming as he is handsome and humble to his core. He’s a good man and a generous one, even in times of personal difficulty, he can never do enough to help others. It was by the grace of these virtues that he acquired his Knighthood. He enjoys the company of others but can tolerate the odd moment of isolation, especially when he needs to reflect on recent events or to evaluate his options. However, despite these things - he’s not necessarily an absolute paragon, he’s willing to participate in intrigues behind closed doors and he’ll do anything to protect -his- people. Even if that means leaving someone else’s to die.

Skills: Alexander is an excellent swordsman, having participated in a great number of tournaments and won his fair share of prizes. He’s not the best in the realm, by any stretch of the imagination - but he’s certainly among the greats of Westeros, and may perhaps some day become the best - his youth playing to his advantage, giving him plenty of time to learn. He’s also known for his charismatic nature, making him a bit of a diplomat in some ways. And thankfully, he has his charming assistance Rosie Waters to handle most issues of governance and housekeeping. Because although he’s incredibly able when it comes to Mathematics, he’s not exactly interested by it and often he just wants it over-with.

Weaponry: A steel longsword and a recurve bow (usually for sportly hunting, rather than actual battle usage).

Military Strength: One hundred retainers from his estates, at a push.

Biography: (At least two well written paragraphs please): Alexander inherited his seat at the age of Eighteen, his father meeting his end in a sailing accident. Before his father’s death, he’d spent almost all of his time by his side, learning the matters of court and warfare. But they were never close. Although they were never apart, Alexander couldn’t ever say he truly knew who his father was or what he was like, only ever seeing this facade he put on for the court, very rarely did you get a glimpse of the man beneath. And in some regards, Alexander’s similar, although he desires someone he can trust and let his guard down around, his lackluster position and isolation often makes this difficult. His only true friends his household Mistress and guard. And even they aren’t truly his friends.

Since coming of age, Alexander’s also been surrounded by tournaments, now this is when he’s truly in his element. At fifteen he squired for the first time and by sixteen, following the injury of his Uncle, he participated in his first list, knocking two men off their horses before being knocked himself. Planting a seed in his mind, this great desire and lust for glory in the lists and a two years and a half later he won his first tournament at Bronzegate, at only Eighteen years old. Raising the brows of many and making him a person of interest in some of the local courts - a young Knight of Twenty from a hall they’d barely even heard of, putting some of the best fighters in the region to shame. He’s continued to build on this legacy, taking part whenever he can, and more often than not - winning. But never quite reaching that Legendary status. Often due to his love of partying and courtship distracting him from his practice.

RP Example: Most recent example.

Notes: Rosie Storm, Mistress of the House (29 Years Old).

[The Valyria Empire]

With us having a good selection of players, the IC will be up on Wednesday.

[Dentali]

With us having a good selection of players, the IC will be up on Wednesday.

I was about to ask, looking forward to it thanks!

[The Intergalactic Russian Empire]

Tag for interest.

[Sil Arion]

Here we are! And spoilered for your convenience.

Name: Manfred the Mariner.

House: Hightower.

Age: Fifty years.

Gender: Male.

Titles: Lord of the Hightower, Lord of the Port, Voice of Oldtown, Defender of the Citadel, Beacon of the South.

House Seat: The Hightower, Oldtown.

House Sigil: A white tower crowned with flames on smoke grey. Cendrée, a tower argent, beacon inflamed gules.

Allegiance: House Gardener, Lords of Highgarden and Kings of the Reach.

Appearance: Appears much as his House's namesake, like the Hightower. Towers a head and more over most men, but also built as a bull; broad-shouldered and thick-necked with immense muscles. White-blond hair and beard, straight, smooth and shot with silver; the former worn long and free and the latter trimmed short and neat. High and furrowed forehead above a heavy and bushy brow, square features, cleft chin and thin lips, red as heart's blood. Skin sun-kissed bronze and criss-crossed with scars, silver and violet alike. Hands calloused hard, yet also ink-stained dark as a scribe and surprisingly dextrous despite their enormous size. Grey-eyed, as steel in sheen and sharpness.

A hale man, and handsome in a plainer, well-worn way.

Personality: Overall, Manfred is renowned across Westeros as a vigilant, virtuous and disciplined lord of serious disposition. Also an honest, honorable and courteous family man, but practical, prudent and stubborn too in his beliefs as a steadfast follower of the Faith of the Seven. Otherwise very loving and serving of family and friends, if reserved in affection. Fiercely defends his holdings and the Faith by any means necessary, but isn't terribly ambitious besides his duties as a lord. That is, in enforcing the peace and ensuring the prosperity of his people and holdings.

Additionally, an adventurer and lover of learning since childhood, if less obsessively in the last decade. Manfred holds a deep fondness for history, arithmetic, geometry, astronomy and music, as well as medicine, architecture, and ancient artifacts. And alchemy and magic as well.

When interacting, he remains gentle, generous and slow to anger, much in part due to his naturally great strength. Manfred learned well as boy to restrain himself so as to not inadvertently harm his family or retainers. Such restraint extends to his mindset too; Manfred often says only what he thinks needs to be said and nothing more. Also takes great care before speaking, ensuring thoughts are well formed and complete before opening his mouth. Likewise, his approach to problems is a methodical and measured one.

This carefulness, combined with Manfred's towering stature, usually gives others the impression that he's somewhat slow of wit. However, his cautious way of thinking avails him such insight that scheming nobles mistake his straightforward manner for one of extreme craftiness that he's intentionally disguised with a simplistic veneer. That Manfred is an extraordinarily adept tactician tends to reinforce this image.

And while indeed slow to anger, Manfred can become an implacable foe when roused, sometimes falling to a brutal frenzied state in battle against his only hated enemies: pirates, particularly the Ironborn and those of the Stepstones. Over time though, he's learned to better control his strength and power; how to go through life without holding himself back while not harming others.

For those who know him well, he is thought of as a good and godly man; one sharp, shrewd and wise, yet distant from political matters beyond his lands due to his distaste for wastefulness and unnecessary conflict. Grows grim and gruff at times when overly weary or disappointed; turning almost to stone. And when roused by betrayal or family suffering, a temper terrible as an inferno.

Manfred expects no less than excellence in efforts from his subordinates - and his sons especially. While unforgiving of ignorance, laziness or any unwillingness to learn, he is oddly understanding of failure and even disobedience. Perhaps patient above all else. And possessing a certain ruthless intelligence and resourceful ingenuity in pursuit of retribution.

Skills: Famed for the excellent administration of his holdings, and as an extraordinary tactician and warrior of substantial experience in leadership, logistics and mastery of weapons and plans on land or at sea through two decades of battle abroad or within Westeros. Too, an extremely fearsome swordmaster also known for his expertise as an able diplomat, in discrete counseling and in giving good advice.

Some mastery of intrigue in gathering information from abroad due to the Hightower fleet, his merchant marine and others in Oldtown. Very well-traveled and learned in book knowledge and the ways of the larger world. And something of an innovator in accounting, alchemy, architecture and various devices of his design. Though they don't always work as planned...

Weaponry: Vigilance, an ancient, hand-and-a-half longsword of Valyrian steel and ancestral weapon of House Hightower. Will also wield an arming sword and long dagger of finest castle-forged steel, alongside the lance, mace and an arbalest. Wears a full suit of ornate plate over mail, silvery-white fluting on steel-grey with an enamel coating giving a sheen as blood and fire in appearance.

Military Strength: Much more than nine thousand men-at-arms and sworn knights, as well as the Hightower fleet and merchant marine of Oldtown. Additionally, the might of House Hightower's five vassals: House Beesbury of Honeyholt, House Bulwer of Blackcrown, House Costayne of the Three Towers, House Cuy of Sunhouse and House Mullendore of Uplands.

Biography: Second son and third child of his lordly father, Manfred was one not destined to rule House Hightower. As a child, he instead spent his days studying obsessively in the Citadel, Starry Sept and guildhalls of Oldtown, to the point that others jested about his habits in reading, calculating and crafting devices of his own design, or discussing his studies with Maesters and Septons alike, who aided his mind to flourish. In these years, Manfred identified with the Smith as an aspect of the Seven, and rarely strayed from beside the Seneschal, High Septon and Archmaesters.

Despite his great strength, Manfred held no fondness for steel beyond his tomes, instruments and devices. Early on, he seemed unheeding of any wish from his father to train as a warrior and commander of men; a disappointing excuse for a son. Indeed, Manfred's only desire was to become an adventuring scholar; to travel far across the seas and find all the world had to offer. Often others unfavorably compared Manfred to his ancestor, Peremor the Twisted; sharing that insatiable thirst for knowledge about of the world at the expense of everything else.

However, when sent to foster at Highgarden under the Gardeners, Manfred apparently found need to seriously study warfare. But whatever prompted this change went unnoticed by others beyond one thing: an untitled, but massive volume always found at his bedside, old and faded.

Following a fast and deep friendship with a young Prince Mern, Manfred was knighted at seven-and-ten. Alongside his friend, he always distinguished himself well at tournaments, although seldom entering the lists; little love for lances over the melee. Many among his family praised on his swordsmanship in his melee victory, now likening him to the legendary King Uthor and worthy of wielding Vigilance. Here too he won the favor of Princess Gweneth, Mern's youngest sister, to whom Manfred was betrothed shortly thereafter and fell in love over coming months.

Through these years, Manfred remained the closest companion of Mern, accompanying the heir of Highgarden wherever went with his sword-arm and wise words. Rarely did he return home himself to see his family. And if not for his wife-to-be's affection and words, he might have missed them terribly. And still he dreamt to sail the seas afar...

Then, at nine-and-ten years in age, his father and elder brother both died suddenly, lost at sea under suspicious circumstances – last sighted in their area had been an Ironborn flotilla. Thus, Manfred ascended to lordship in trying times, initially unready for the transition to those duties if not for the support of the Septons and Maesters. But in time he proved most competent, leaving behind his childhood dream to thus commit himself fully in pursuing continued peace and prosperity for his holdings. And despite his relative youth, expanded these further than ever before.

Two weeks after Manfred turned twenty, his elder sister Margaery married Mern. Manfred in turn wedded Gweneth days later on her twentieth birthday.

Alongside his new wife, family and vassals, he established trade agreements by sea with several Free Cities previously receiving service from his fleets. Too, he sent merchantmen farther than ever before in the history of House Hightower. Thrice in as many years, Manfred personally led large and long trade expeditions abroad, finally fulfilling his dream; to Slaver’s Bay, Qarth, Moraq, and even Yi Ti and Asshai in the Furthest East. From each he returned with a new treasure trove, with spices, silks and other exotic luxuries to sell in Westeros. But business was not all Manfred pursued. He extended old routes, made new maps and sailed even to the Land of Always Winter. Thus he gained his epithet: the Mariner.

Of this newfound wealth, Manfred poured most into public works within Oldtown and his holdings, funding new additions and renewing the old; the Starry Sept, the Citadel, guildhalls and shipyards, roads and wharves, town-homes and taverns, among so much more. While strengthening his connections to the city and its inhabitants, he opened the gateway for further growth. Thousands immigrated from surroundings lands and faraway, come in hope of opportunity; of those who held a competent skill-set, commitment to their word or good character, he accepted. Others, though, failed entry; the Mariner turned away lazy fools, oath-breakers and heartless criminals. Thus did House Hightower prosper more than ever previously.

Soon, Manfred finally sought retribution. He commissioned a standing host and fleet of volunteers; recruited, trained and equipped by House Hightower, and whose families were provided benefits for their service based on contracts similar to those found in Essos. In coming months, Manfred hunted the petty pirates and sellsails among the Iron Isles, Stepstones and any seas he had been before too; no matter on open waters or raiding and besieging their lairs in a methodical and measured manner – and equally merciless.

Whether from some sense of common service or in pursuit of perceived vengeance for his House, father and brother – perhaps both or neither – he was soon reputed for a certain ruthless intelligence and resourceful ingenuity through these actions, as well as his fearsome swordsmanship. In those waters, the name of Manfred the Mariner was heard far and wide.

Here amidst blood and fire, Manfred identified most with the Warrior in his ways.

At six-and-twenty, conflict began again between the Reach and Stormlands. While unable to attend the Battle of Summerfield that started it all due to an expedition at that time, he soon followed his liege lord and closest friend, now King Mern IX after the death of King Garse VII. However, he limited the involvement and violent acts of House Hightower, hoping to avoid unnecessary losses in troops, ships and social ties - Manfred and his brothers thought they couldn't win the war, but mightn't lose it entirely either. Another worthless, meaningless war, as the High Septon said to him. One not supported by the Seven.

Therefore, Manfred fought, but did as little as possible to harm the other side, in order he obey the High Septon and his holdings suffer the least. By any means, Manfred sought to ensure House Hightower remained whole and well despite war. He advised the same of Mern IX, who listened to his closest friend and ended the conflict early on.

In the aftermath, his reasoning proved sound. Per his actions - or rather, deliberate inaction - Manfred and his fellow Reachmen felt little lasting losses in family members, manpower or materiel. House Hightower - and their liege lords - returned from the war stronger than before it began. That is, relatively, considering the devastation of some Marchers.

For six years, Manfred returned to raising his family, administrating his holdings and sailing the seas, staying distant and detached from most political matters outside of his patronage of the Faith, the Citadel and advising his closest and oldest friend, King Mern IX. Every year, he's sent or led himself expeditions afar to return with greater treasure each time to grow his holdings. Too, with deeper knowledge of the wider world while enriching the Citadel's records and spreading the Faith. And continuing his private pursuit of pirate folk and their ilk, utterly destroying any found.

Now, Manfred prays most to the Father; for wisdom, for peace, and the lasting prosperity of all he holds dear.

However, given recent events evolving, his detached stance may soon change...

RP Samples: Here you are! And have this too!

Notes: [WIP]

Tree of the Hightowers and Household Retainers [WIP]

• Lord Gwayne, Head of House Hightower(†)
  with his wife, Lady Alerie of House Rowan (†)
  
  • Lord Melvyn, Head of House Hightower(†)
    with his wife, Lady Bryanna of House Bulwer (†)
  • Queen Margaery (52)
    with her husband, King Mern IX, Head of House Gardener (52)
  • Lord Manfred the Mariner, Head of House Hightower (50)
    with his wife, Lady Gweneth of House Gardener (50)
    
    • Ser Martyn, Heir of House Hightower (32)
      with his wife, Elayne of House Redwyne (28)
      
      • Tryston (12)
      • other offspring
    • Septon Marwyn of the Starry Sept (30)
    • Lady Lynesse (30)
      with her husband, Lord Robyn, Head of House Reyne (40)
      
      • offspring
    • Ser Morgan, Captain of the Warrior's Sons (28)
    • Lysa (26)
      with her husband, Ser Morien, Heir of House Mullendore (25)
      
      • offspring
    • Ser Melvyn (24)
      with his wife, Ellyn of House Beesbury (22)
      
      • offspring
    • Lyanna (22)
      with her husband, Ser Arthur the Younger, Heir of House Cuy (30)
      
      • offspring
    • Merlyn, Acolyte of the Citadel (20)
    • Ser Modred (18)
    • Lara (16)
  • Ser Gaeryth, Commander of the Warrior's Sons (48)
  • Archmaester Mordwyn of the Citadel (44)
  • Septa Igrayne, Most Devout and White Mother of the Oldtown Motherhouse (40)
  • Ser Galath (39)
    with his wife, Gwenyvere of House Beesbury (33)
    
    • offspring
  • Ser Geraynt (36)
    with his wife, Morgayse of House Mullendore (24)
    
    • offspring
  • Lady Olenna (32)
    with her husband, Lord Quentyn, Head of House Yronwood (57)
  • Patrice (30)
• Lord Bedyvere, Head of House Beesbury, Hand of House Hightower (64)
• Ser Bors of House Bulwer, Master of Laws (68)
• Patrice of House Hightower, Master of Whisperers (30)
• Ser Caradoc of House Costayne, Master of Coin (52)
• Lord Arthur the Elder, Head of House Cuy, Master of Ships (55)
• Maester Alyver, Maester-at-Arts (73)
• Ser Morhold of House Mullendore, Master-at-Arms (53)

[Warg the Immortal]

@Sil Arion, forgot Manfred's younger sister, Patrice (I think she'd be in her mid-to-late twenties, since she was a potential suspect for the assassination of the High Septon in 44 AC, so she likely wasn't too old by that point in time), and one of Manfred's sons should be a septon, since one of his sons became high septon during Aegon's reign and was noted as being the uncle of Queen Ceryse

Also, should remove lady Morgayne, since she would've inherited the Hightower by Westerosi law. Males take precedence over females, but are not discounted from inheritance, and since she was the daughter of the heir, she would've inherited by law

EDIT: Also Modred, can't be a knight, Prince Maegor was the youngest knight in the history of the realm when he was knighted at 16. Doesn't make sense if there already was one

[The Valyria Empire]

@Sil Arion, forgot Manfred's younger sister, Patrice (I think she'd be in her mid too late twenties, since she was a potential suspect for the assassination of the High Septon in 44 AC, so she likely wasn't too old by that point in time), and one of Manfred's sons should be a septon, since one of his sons became high septon during Aegon's reign and was noted as being the uncle of Queen Ceryse

Also, should remove lady Morgayne, since she would've inherited the Hightower by Westerosi law. Males take precedence over females, but are not discounted from inheritance, and since she was the daughter of the heir, she would've inherited by law

EDIT: Also Modred, can't be a knight, Prince Maegor was the youngest knight in the history of the realm when he was knighted at 16. Doesn't make sense if there already was one

Also, he forgot that his youngest daughter (who I would assume is around 14-16)

Some say that Manfred also offered his youngest daughter's hand in marriage to Aegon I Targaryen, which Aegon declined so as not to offend his Queens.

So there should be an unmarried daughter.

[Nuxipal]

With us having a good selection of players, the IC will be up on Wednesday.

Wednesday sounds perfect. Depending on the time that day, I can get my first IC post up immediately. I'll be having Wednesday through Saturday off.. I have a bit of a medical procedure to be done on Friday that will keep me from working for at least a couple of days.

[Slakonian]

Although you have a valid point I think the main reason Stormlands were thinly populated was due they lords are very warlike people, I mean the Durrandos just years before the Conquest had involved themsleves in campaigns in the disputed lands while during ASOIF books, the reason why Stormlords cannot raise big hosts was due during Robert's Rebellion cost dearly as many soldiers were lost as a result to Robert's early defeats and subsquent Reach invasion on the Stormlands.

Yet again we do not have "detailed" accounts of population census during the Conquest, surely it is better than Robert's time but not that big either.

That does make sense. Like I said with Dorne in the last thread, successive wars do have an impact on populations for generations. Clever handling of the land and populace, like the Gardeners did, probably could have led to a larger pool of nobles and smallfolk. But I will agree the last few Durrandon kings haven't been that clever.

Exactly my point mate, and let us not forget from time to time into the history of Westeros some wars were pretty devastating. For example Brynden Rivers (the infamous) had Whitewalls put to the ground and the land salted and we all know that when a land as rich as that when destroyed to such magnitude; people leave forever.

My point is, Westeros is definately not the same throught it's history. Just look during the Dance of the Dragons that house Stark had the biggest host of all which means they had witnessed over-population.

[Dentali]

That does make sense. Like I said with Dorne in the last thread, successive wars do have an impact on populations for generations. Clever handling of the land and populace, like the Gardeners did, probably could have led to a larger pool of nobles and smallfolk. But I will agree the last few Durrandon kings haven't been that clever.

Exactly my point mate, and let us not forget from time to time into the history of Westeros some wars were pretty devastating. For example Brynden Rivers (the infamous) had Whitewalls put to the ground and the land salted and we all know that when a land as rich as that when destroyed to such magnitude; people leave forever.

My point is, Westeros is definately not the same throught it's history. Just look during the Dance of the Dragons that house Stark had the biggest host of all which means they had witnessed over-population.

The Starks had been absent the entire war so didn't suffer casualties. Plus the other regions all had multiple fronts while the starks could just throw everything south. Additionally Winter had arrived so the host included many more than normally would have gone.

As for the Stormlands, and regions of Westeros. post conquest Westeros was a lot more peaceful than pre conquest. I know it doesn't always seem that way and yea post conquest wars were larger but much less frequent. Its more likely that post conquest the regions could call upon larger populations

[Slakonian]

Exactly my point mate, and let us not forget from time to time into the history of Westeros some wars were pretty devastating. For example Brynden Rivers (the infamous) had Whitewalls put to the ground and the land salted and we all know that when a land as rich as that when destroyed to such magnitude; people leave forever.

My point is, Westeros is definately not the same throught it's history. Just look during the Dance of the Dragons that house Stark had the biggest host of all which means they had witnessed over-population.

The Starks had been absent the entire war so didn't suffer casualties. Plus the other regions all had multiple fronts while the starks could just throw everything south. Additionally Winter had arrived so the host included many more than normally would have gone.

As for the Stormlands, and regions of Westeros. post conquest Westeros was a lot more peaceful than pre conquest. I know it doesn't always seem that way and yea post conquest wars were larger but much less frequent. Its more likely that post conquest the regions could call upon larger populations

Look a bit carefully at the event, they hadn't been exactly absent(Rodrik the Ruin of House Dustin) had send a force ahead of the main Stark force and it said that the war was a perfect opportuinity for house stark to get rid of such a large population(especially males). I will provide a link about it. Bear in mind lands cannot be static for centuries on the row.

[Yaana Noore]

Hello again. Any houses needed?

[Dentali]

Hello again. Any houses needed?

House Hoare and some Riverlands houses would be nice

[Ism]

Hello again. Any houses needed?

House Hoare and some Riverlands houses would be nice

I think someone already has a wip app for Hoare.

[Dentali]

House Hoare and some Riverlands houses would be nice

I think someone already has a wip app for Hoare.

You're right it just has yet to be accepted

[The Valyria Empire]

I think someone already has a wip app for Hoare.

You're right it just has yet to be accepted

It has yet to be completed. Thus I haven't accepted it yet, I've also been on the fence on some of the other custom houses. A few of them aren't done but there are some I'm iffy about.

[The Vekta-Helghast Empire]

Was my application accepted?

[Warg the Immortal]

Was my application accepted?

1. The whole mythologized story thing seems kinda out of place, houses that. Come from the Andal invasion are all generally known to have come from the invasion
2. There isn't really a concept of "manors" in GoT, so it'd probably be called a keep, like the Cleganes
3. They don't really seem like full Lords, more like Landed Knights
4. Alexander seems kinda "Gary stu"; squiring for the first time at fifteen and suddenly being this amazing swordsman. Most knights have squired for years, and somehow this guy wins a tournament at such a young age against trained knights who've likely been pages and squires their entire lives before knighthood? Seems pretty suspect
5. Not exactly sure what a household mistress is, or why abastard would be entrusted with the duty
6. The crownlands haven't been created yet, so the bastard surname waters doesn't exist. Her surname would be Storm.
7. Where did this woman come from, why is she entrusted by the clarifonts?

[The Vekta-Helghast Empire]

Was my application accepted?

1. The whole mythologized story thing seems kinda out of place, houses that. Come from the Andal invasion are all generally known to have come from the invasion
2. There isn't really a concept of "manors" in GoT, so it'd probably be called a keep, like the Cleganes
3. They don't really seem like full Lords, more like Landed Knights
4. Alexander seems kinda "Gary stu"; squiring for the first time at fifteen and suddenly being this amazing swordsman. Most knights have squired for years, and somehow this guy wins a tournament at such a young age against trained knights who've likely been pages and squires their entire lives before knighthood? Seems pretty suspect
5. Not exactly sure what a household mistress is, or why abastard would be entrusted with the duty
6. The crownlands haven't been created yet, so the bastard surname waters doesn't exist. Her surname would be Storm.
7. Where did this woman come from, why is she entrusted by the clarifonts?

1. They know that's where they came from, the whole point of the story is to tell to children, rather than saying you came with the men who massacred the men who once lived there.
2. Adjusted, as stated. My bad.
3. Long ago they'd have been full-lords, by this point they have pretty much fallen into the same category as a Landed Knight. It's like in late Monarchist France, where you could be a lord but be exceptionally poor. It's just a title you've had. They'd probably be seen as on-par with Landed Knights, just with a sugar-coated title. I can change this if required.
4. Ages have all been upped, I did worry about this while writing it.
5. It's a title I made up, it wouldn't be in any formal sense - it's just my way of describing it. She just keep the houses' affairs in check. They're reasonably well off, but they can't really take on a nobleman or what have you to handle those affairs, people would probably scoff at them.
6. Ah, my mistake again. Used to post-conquest. And I always viewed the bastard titles as geographic, rather than Kingdom based. As it wouldn't make much sense if for example the reach annexes a part of the Stormlands - suddenly every bastard from that region needs to rename themselves to flowers.
7. She's, in essence - the head of the maids. If the pantry runs out of something, she's the one that handles it. When the servants need paid, she handles it. She would quite literally have been the most trusted servant in the household. Whether it be due to the length of her employment, her attention to detail, or whatever. It's not a formal title, it's just my way of trying to describe what she is.

This is my first time taking part in a GoT RP in a long while, so I thank you for your patience.