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Postby Blackledge » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:04 pm

Warg the Immortal wrote:Very well. Though the number of 3000 troops had a only listed for Aegon's First Test, which (I believe) occurred after he had landed and established the Aegonfort. He would've left some garrison at Dragonstone, Driftmark, Claw Isle and the Aegonfort, so I believe his total forces were higher than 3000. Also, Driftmark is the largest of the three islands, with two towns, so I believe it would have a larger number than 900. Though I'll agree 4000 is too high.

Edit: Also, I don't think Sunglass, Massey or Bar Emmon are sworn to him yet, so I don't think their forces were part of the 3000 in Aegons first test


The Masseys and Bar Emmons were with him when he landed. Sunglass isn't mentioned, and it could have been, but all we know is that by the time of the WotFK all they had to offer was three galleys.
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Postby Nuxipal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:08 pm

@Val

Regarding Steffon Darke, he was supposed to be a minor character in the last RP, I don't think I ever made a character app for him he just was filling the role of Westerosi Knight in the guards of Naerys. I was just hoping to make him a little more interesting by having him gain a minor backstory. He is on Dragonstone because of a minor dispute between him and one of the Darklyns. I didn't want to push to far as to say he was there to make an alliance with the Targaryens to free the Riverlands, which he would love to do, because I didn't want to step on the toes of anyone wishing to play as House Darklyn...

Hint..Hint.. all you custom House people out there.. House Darklyn holds the largest Westerosi Settlement on the Eastern Side of the Continent.. they are effectively a major power in this time period.. they had the misfortune of meeting the Dragon early however.


Edit: House Darklyn was also Kings as recently as 300 years ago before the second King of the Trident of House Justman decided to invade them.. Same for Mooton and Maidenpool too.
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Postby Blackledge » Fri Jun 23, 2017 2:29 pm

Nuxipal wrote:Hint..Hint.. all you custom House people out there.. House Darklyn holds the largest Westerosi Settlement on the Eastern Side of the Continent.. they are effectively a major power in this time period.. they had the misfortune of meeting the Dragon early however.


The largest after Gulltown and White Harbor. It is described as the "principal" port, but given its lack of numbers in terms of troops and complete absence of a navy, I would say we shouldn't confuse that as meaning "largest". It had value as a port given its location near the Blackwater Rush, in the same way Maidenpool does with the approaches to the Trident. But that area didn't actually *produce* anything of note, so it's clearly more for receiving from the Free Cities.

Given their stranglehold of the bay I'd actually have thought the towns on Driftmark would be bigger if AWOIAF didn't say otherwise.
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Postby Warg the Immortal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:07 pm

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Warg the Immortal wrote:Very well. Though the number of 3000 troops had a only listed for Aegon's First Test, which (I believe) occurred after he had landed and established the Aegonfort. He would've left some garrison at Dragonstone, Driftmark, Claw Isle and the Aegonfort, so I believe his total forces were higher than 3000. Also, Driftmark is the largest of the three islands, with two towns, so I believe it would have a larger number than 900. Though I'll agree 4000 is too high.

Edit: Also, I don't think Sunglass, Massey or Bar Emmon are sworn to him yet, so I don't think their forces were part of the 3000 in Aegons first test


The Masseys and Bar Emmons were with him when he landed. Sunglass isn't mentioned, and it could have been, but all we know is that by the time of the WotFK all they had to offer was three galleys.

Do you know somewhere that they're mentioned as being there. All I can find just mentions celtigar and velaryon
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Postby The Valyria Empire » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:10 pm

Warg the Immortal wrote:
Blackledge wrote:
The Masseys and Bar Emmons were with him when he landed. Sunglass isn't mentioned, and it could have been, but all we know is that by the time of the WotFK all they had to offer was three galleys.

Do you know somewhere that they're mentioned as being there. All I can find just mentions celtigar and velaryon

I figured it was just Velyaron, Celtigar, Sunglass and Targaryen. I've always assumed Sunglass is a Valyrian House.

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Postby Warg the Immortal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:27 pm

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Warg the Immortal wrote:Do you know somewhere that they're mentioned as being there. All I can find just mentions celtigar and velaryon

I figured it was just Velyaron, Celtigar, Sunglass and Targaryen. I've always assumed Sunglass is a Valyrian House.

Looking on their wiki page it seems they were made specifically to be zealous followers of the seven. I don't think they're valyrian. We don't see "two-word" valyrians surnames until branch houses like Blackfyre and Longwaters emerge.
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Postby Blackledge » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:37 pm

Warg the Immortal wrote:Do you know somewhere that they're mentioned as being there. All I can find just mentions celtigar and velaryon

Page 34 of A World of Ice and Fire. On paper they were sworn to Storm's End, but in reality their ties were closer to Dragonstone. When Aegon summoned his bannermen and allies, they came. You could read into it that they saw themselves as the former, the latter, or both. House Sunglass is small, its seat not even important enough to be noted on maps yet. They could have been another Blackwater Bay house that things in common with the Targaryens and rallied to them from the start (which could make sense since they're one of the principal houses sworn to Dragonstone later). Or they could be a johnny-come-lately.
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Postby Warg the Immortal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:38 pm

Blackledge wrote:
Warg the Immortal wrote:Do you know somewhere that they're mentioned as being there. All I can find just mentions celtigar and velaryon

Page 34 of A World of Ice and Fire. On paper they were sworn to Storm's End, but in reality their ties were closer to Dragonstone. When Aegon summoned his bannermen and allies, they came. You could read into it that they saw themselves as the former, the latter, or both. House Sunglass is small, its seat not even important enough to be noted on maps yet. They could have been another Blackwater Bay house that things in common with the Targaryens and rallied to them from the start (which could make sense since they're one of the principal houses sworn to Dragonstone later). Or they could be a johnny-come-lately.

Ah, that explains it. Don't have that book
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Postby Blackledge » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:43 pm

Warg the Immortal wrote:Ah, that explains it. Don't have that book


If you ever want me to check something, just let me know. It's a great read.
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Hmm. No idea who I'll app for, so I guess time to go wiki-diving for interesting people.
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Postby Warg the Immortal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:52 pm

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Warg the Immortal wrote:Ah, that explains it. Don't have that book


If you ever want me to check something, just let me know. It's a great read.

Thank-you, will do.

Btw, Val, whats your decision on the forces for Driftmark?
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Lunas Legion wrote:Hmm. No idea who I'll app for, so I guess time to go wiki-diving for interesting people.



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Postby The Valyria Empire » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:10 pm

Warg the Immortal wrote:
Blackledge wrote:
If you ever want me to check something, just let me know. It's a great read.

Thank-you, will do.

Btw, Val, whats your decision on the forces for Driftmark?

I would say they have 2,000. Dragonstone will have 1,200 and Claw Isle will have 400. Massey Hook will be 150

I'd say the fleet is about the size of 30.

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Postby Warg the Immortal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:36 pm

The Valyria Empire wrote:
Warg the Immortal wrote:Thank-you, will do.

Btw, Val, whats your decision on the forces for Driftmark?

I would say they have 2,000. Dragonstone will have 1,200 and Claw Isle will have 400. Massey Hook will be 150

I'd say the fleet is about the size of 30.

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Postby Blackledge » Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:55 pm

Dentali wrote:Do house durrandon

I almost went with them, tbh. The Durrandon empire of old has some interesting history. I think the book even describes it at its height as the largest realm in Westeros until the coming of the Targaryens.
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Postby Warg the Immortal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:00 pm

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Dentali wrote:Do house durrandon

I almost went with them, tbh. The Durrandon empire of old has some interesting history. I think the book even describes it at its height as the largest realm in Westeros until the coming of the Targaryens.

Didn't they at one time own the modern crown lands and the river lands, so with the Stormlands that'd be bigger than the amount of land Harren has rn
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Postby Nuxipal » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:05 pm

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Lunas Legion wrote:Hmm. No idea who I'll app for, so I guess time to go wiki-diving for interesting people.



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Lunas as Durrandon and we might not see an invasion of Westeros.. instead, we'd see a Kingdom of the Dragon and a reinstatement of the Storm Kings over the Trident.
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Hey Val I fixed my app. Am I accepted?
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Postby Blackledge » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:08 pm

Warg the Immortal wrote:Didn't they at one time own the modern crown lands and the river lands, so with the Stormlands that'd be bigger than the amount of land Harren has rn

Yup. They probably had an army to call on as big as the Reach's. But those borders... A few weak kings in a row, which the line of Durrandon got, and that's all it takes to lose it.

Nuxipal wrote:Lunas as Durrandon and we might not see an invasion of Westeros.. instead, we'd see a Kingdom of the Dragon and a reinstatement of the Storm Kings over the Trident.

I'd enjoy seeing that.
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Postby Jhet » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:34 am

Blackledge wrote:If you ever want me to check something, just let me know. It's a great read.

I found that it was very bare bones, with lots of copy-paste sections and/or missing sections. Honestly (especially the War of the Usurper section) just reads like an embellished wiki/summary page meant to jog GRRM's memory while jerking him off. Beyond the ironborn intervention I don't remember reading anything else in that war (Robert's Rebellion), despite an entire year between Stoney Sept/Eddard's marriage and the Trident being vague as hell. Though it was nice to see that the iron fleet is a modern invention by Balon, so it is funny when fans claim that the ironborn are the most powerful fleet in the west. They have lost their only fleet battle that they participated in. Half, if you want to include the sneak attack on the Lannister fleet which was like twenty galleys strong.

Though it is funny: the ironborn are a joke, the northmen are gauls/germans/saxons, the vale has a fetish for women leaders, the south is boring, and GRRM really ran out of creativity when he went to Essos. Not that we got much in Westeros but at least it was fleshed out.

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Cuprum banned from the start lolwut :p
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Slakonian wrote:Cuprum banned from the start lolwut :p

Why is that?
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Postby The Valyria Empire » Sat Jun 24, 2017 6:48 am

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Blackledge wrote: and GRRM really ran out of creativity when he went to Essos. Not that we got much in Westeros but at least it was fleshed out.

Martin has stated that he will not reveal everything. Just like Dark Souls there will be some things that are never answered.

However about the Essos complaint. Martin actually didn't write about anything past the Bone Mountains and had little involvement in the history and explaination of some of the free cities. Other authors wrote a lot but came to Martin who either gave the thumbs up or down.

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Even when OPs told him to stop or fix his shit he would refuse. He would insult the OP and continue what he was doing. The last straw came when I made my first RP, "A Century of Blood" if you want all the details of that a link is in my signature.

In a nutshell, he tried to power game as Dany. Saying that what happened in Season 6 is going to happen in the books and made it so that everything Dany did was perfect and had little repercussions. I retconned many of his posts, until finally I banned him. To this day, he continues to do the same stuff I've listed. While he is a pretty good writer, he has no respect for others thus he remains banned.
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Well thought as much myself, remember that time he believed that Westeros was the size of England despite GRRM saying being that of Latin/South America
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