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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:13 pm

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You mean all those companies that had already moved north during the instability leading up to the Fateful Day? That's what Blue Sky did. Oh, you probably had a few dilapidated factories left, and some of the contractors who weren't interested in being safe from the coming apocalypse. But before there was a Texan Empire, most of the defense contractors would have been years gone.



Certainly. Not to mention, even with a solid industrial capacity, time is definitely a factor. Building ships, in particular, will take a while.

Again, we'd have other resources to keep, plus that wouldn't have been allowed. Taking everything I mean. We'd also have kept a lot of US Equipment, and other Texans companies. Plus basically the know how of everything, so we'd be able to start our own stuff fairly easily in comparison to most countries.

Jesus. I'm almost tempted to ask for a Carrier, just cause I want to focuse on other stuff for the moment. Hmmmmm. Wait, you said you were up North Right?


Wouldn't have been allowed? Texas, as a state in the Union, operates on a capitalistic economy, unless I miss my guess. If a company shuts down a factory and relocates industrial capital and staff, I'm pretty sure state governments can't exactly stop them.

Sure, you'll have plenty of U.S. holdovers from the bases that were in Texas. But that's different from the know-how and machinery to manufacture them, in the same way as giving a man a fish is different from teaching him how to fish.

Aye, Blue Sky controls most of Canada, Greenland, and Alaska. It's cold up there, but nobody fucked about when the world went to shit, so in some ways, eh, what is a bit of weather worth?
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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:18 pm

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Apror wrote:Again, we'd have other resources to keep, plus that wouldn't have been allowed. Taking everything I mean. We'd also have kept a lot of US Equipment, and other Texans companies. Plus basically the know how of everything, so we'd be able to start our own stuff fairly easily in comparison to most countries.

Jesus. I'm almost tempted to ask for a Carrier, just cause I want to focuse on other stuff for the moment. Hmmmmm. Wait, you said you were up North Right?


Wouldn't have been allowed? Texas, as a state in the Union, operates on a capitalistic economy, unless I miss my guess. If a company shuts down a factory and relocates industrial capital and staff, I'm pretty sure state governments can't exactly stop them.

Sure, you'll have plenty of U.S. holdovers from the bases that were in Texas. But that's different from the know-how and machinery to manufacture them, in the same way as giving a man a fish is different from teaching him how to fish.

Aye, Blue Sky controls most of Canada, Greenland, and Alaska. It's cold up there, but nobody fucked about when the world went to shit, so in some ways, eh, what is a bit of weather worth?

I'd say we'd be able to have the material to start up our Defense Companies, not to mention we're definitely not short of smart people. But yeah, our past from the US military and such would have been a boom in comparison. We also probably would have had some loyal Texans who'd be willing to stay.

For the Canada, do you directly control them, or just have heavy influence there? Different things. Also, yeah, things were kinda immediate.

Finally, would you make the Carrier? I've got other plans for Texan harbors right now.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:21 pm

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Wouldn't have been allowed? Texas, as a state in the Union, operates on a capitalistic economy, unless I miss my guess. If a company shuts down a factory and relocates industrial capital and staff, I'm pretty sure state governments can't exactly stop them.

Sure, you'll have plenty of U.S. holdovers from the bases that were in Texas. But that's different from the know-how and machinery to manufacture them, in the same way as giving a man a fish is different from teaching him how to fish.

Aye, Blue Sky controls most of Canada, Greenland, and Alaska. It's cold up there, but nobody fucked about when the world went to shit, so in some ways, eh, what is a bit of weather worth?

I'd say we'd be able to have the material to start up our Defense Companies, not to mention we're definitely not short of smart people. But yeah, our past from the US military and such would have been a boom in comparison. We also probably would have had some loyal Texans who'd be willing to stay.

For the Canada, do you directly control them, or just have heavy influence there? Different things. Also, yeah, things were kinda immediate.

Finally, would you make the Carrier? I've got other plans for Texan harbors right now.


As it is, yes. Canada, to my knowledge, is basically a big mess of warlords, city-states, and various small communities. What the Conglomerate controls, it controls as surely as any other country.

Hmm. We don't generally go in for carrier designs, but it could be done. Blue Sky will have to retool a dockyard, but at the end of the day a carrier isn't too much different from a megafreighter. Aye, it could be done.
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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:25 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Apror wrote:I'd say we'd be able to have the material to start up our Defense Companies, not to mention we're definitely not short of smart people. But yeah, our past from the US military and such would have been a boom in comparison. We also probably would have had some loyal Texans who'd be willing to stay.

For the Canada, do you directly control them, or just have heavy influence there? Different things. Also, yeah, things were kinda immediate.

Finally, would you make the Carrier? I've got other plans for Texan harbors right now.


As it is, yes. Canada, to my knowledge, is basically a big mess of warlords, city-states, and various small communities. What the Conglomerate controls, it controls as surely as any other country.

Hmm. We don't generally go in for carrier designs, but it could be done. Blue Sky will have to retool a dockyard, but at the end of the day a carrier isn't too much different from a megafreighter. Aye, it could be done.

Okay, I see.

Okay, well, a couple of things. Would it be easier to put in an order for smaller ships? We kinda want those as well. We can immediately get to work on another Carrier, though we don't want to because we want to do other things. However if you could handle those things, that'd be good. Also, I'm having Texan manufacturers turn out 150 Stealth Fighter over the course of 1 and a half, to 3 years, could you do better in a peace time pace?
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:29 pm

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As it is, yes. Canada, to my knowledge, is basically a big mess of warlords, city-states, and various small communities. What the Conglomerate controls, it controls as surely as any other country.

Hmm. We don't generally go in for carrier designs, but it could be done. Blue Sky will have to retool a dockyard, but at the end of the day a carrier isn't too much different from a megafreighter. Aye, it could be done.

Okay, I see.

Okay, well, a couple of things. Would it be easier to put in an order for smaller ships? We kinda want those as well. We can immediately get to work on another Carrier, though we don't want to because we want to do other things. However if you could handle those things, that'd be good. Also, I'm having Texan manufacturers turn out 150 Stealth Fighter over the course of 1 and a half, to 3 years, could you do better in a peace time pace?


Absolutely. Blue Sky's fleet doctrines focus on cruisers and lighter, with particular attention paid to submarines. Battleships and carriers would require significant retooling, in contrast, while things like destroyers only have to be laid down to get on the way.

As for fighters, yes and no. Blue Sky would probably take longer to build your indigenous fighters than you do, pound for pound, simply because the Conglomerate's factories are kitted out to build Blue Sky designs, not Texan. In aggregate terms, sure, they could probably be built faster, but that would be inefficient. If you just want fighters to put in the air, Blue Sky export designs would probably fill your needs quicker, since, again, Blue Sky factories are already designed to produce them.
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Postby Hothnia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:38 pm

Just a question but where the hell does Texas have a shipyard that can create 4 Aircraft Carriers?

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Postby Pimps Inc » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:38 pm

With the Port of San Diego in Mexican hands, time to get the Mexican navy going. NASSCO would probably build some very advanced auxiliary and cargo vessels. And ships in port at the time for maintenance might have been captured. We also have the USS Midway which while outdated, could be a first step in Mexican indigenous designs.
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United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Postby Hothnia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:40 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:With the Port of San Diego in Mexican hands, time to get the Mexican navy going. NASSCO would probably build some very advanced auxiliary and cargo vessels. And ships in port at the time for maintenance might have been captured. We also have the USS Midway which while outdated, could be a first step in Mexican indigenous designs.


Time to send in the two fleets of the old republic to get everyone to calm down and rejoin the union.

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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:41 pm

Hothnia wrote:Just a question but where the hell does Texas have a shipyard that can create 4 Aircraft Carriers?

Umm, Houston? New Orleans? And it's Five by this point.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:43 pm

Hothnia wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:With the Port of San Diego in Mexican hands, time to get the Mexican navy going. NASSCO would probably build some very advanced auxiliary and cargo vessels. And ships in port at the time for maintenance might have been captured. We also have the USS Midway which while outdated, could be a first step in Mexican indigenous designs.


Time to send in the two fleets of the old republic to get everyone to calm down and rejoin the union.


Pish posh.

The union is gone, probably never to be reforged. And two fleets of ships two generations obsolete will be asking for dangerous occasions if they try to make others cling to their vanished union.
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Postby Pimps Inc » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:45 pm

Apror wrote:
Hothnia wrote:Just a question but where the hell does Texas have a shipyard that can create 4 Aircraft Carriers?

Umm, Houston? New Orleans? And it's Five by this point.

What's the biggest ship constructed in Houston and New Orleans?
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Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:45 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Apror wrote:Okay, I see.

Okay, well, a couple of things. Would it be easier to put in an order for smaller ships? We kinda want those as well. We can immediately get to work on another Carrier, though we don't want to because we want to do other things. However if you could handle those things, that'd be good. Also, I'm having Texan manufacturers turn out 150 Stealth Fighter over the course of 1 and a half, to 3 years, could you do better in a peace time pace?


Absolutely. Blue Sky's fleet doctrines focus on cruisers and lighter, with particular attention paid to submarines. Battleships and carriers would require significant retooling, in contrast, while things like destroyers only have to be laid down to get on the way.

As for fighters, yes and no. Blue Sky would probably take longer to build your indigenous fighters than you do, pound for pound, simply because the Conglomerate's factories are kitted out to build Blue Sky designs, not Texan. In aggregate terms, sure, they could probably be built faster, but that would be inefficient. If you just want fighters to put in the air, Blue Sky export designs would probably fill your needs quicker, since, again, Blue Sky factories are already designed to produce them.

Oh! That's good news then, that's good to hear.

As long as they're quality fighters, they don't have to be Texan designs. We'd like more Air power practically.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:48 pm

Apror wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Absolutely. Blue Sky's fleet doctrines focus on cruisers and lighter, with particular attention paid to submarines. Battleships and carriers would require significant retooling, in contrast, while things like destroyers only have to be laid down to get on the way.

As for fighters, yes and no. Blue Sky would probably take longer to build your indigenous fighters than you do, pound for pound, simply because the Conglomerate's factories are kitted out to build Blue Sky designs, not Texan. In aggregate terms, sure, they could probably be built faster, but that would be inefficient. If you just want fighters to put in the air, Blue Sky export designs would probably fill your needs quicker, since, again, Blue Sky factories are already designed to produce them.

Oh! That's good news then, that's good to hear.

As long as they're quality fighters, they don't have to be Texan designs. We'd like more Air power practically.


Yerp, if you're fine with export designs, they can be built. Swing a missive by in the IC when you figure out what you want to buy.

Maybe I'll have to go actually put together that product list.
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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:49 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:
Apror wrote:Umm, Houston? New Orleans? And it's Five by this point.

What's the biggest ship constructed in Houston and New Orleans?

Not sure, but I'm sure they're up to the task if they were asked to. A little increasing of capabilities, though I'm sure they can.
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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:50 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Apror wrote:Oh! That's good news then, that's good to hear.

As long as they're quality fighters, they don't have to be Texan designs. We'd like more Air power practically.


Yerp, if you're fine with export designs, they can be built. Swing a missive by in the IC when you figure out what you want to buy.

Maybe I'll have to go actually put together that product list.

A massive buy? A missive buy? I'm confused.

And yeah, that'd be helpful.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:52 pm

Apror wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Yerp, if you're fine with export designs, they can be built. Swing a missive by in the IC when you figure out what you want to buy.

Maybe I'll have to go actually put together that product list.

A massive buy? A missive buy? I'm confused.

And yeah, that'd be helpful.


A missive, as in a communique :P Swing one by, as in, send one along to the Conglomerate haha.
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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:55 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Apror wrote:A massive buy? A missive buy? I'm confused.

And yeah, that'd be helpful.


A missive, as in a communique :P Swing one by, as in, send one along to the Conglomerate haha.

Oh! Yeah, I'll send one in the next post. So you do Cruisers and Destroyers right?
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:58 pm

Apror wrote:
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A missive, as in a communique :P Swing one by, as in, send one along to the Conglomerate haha.

Oh! Yeah, I'll send one in the next post. So you do Cruisers and Destroyers right?


Yep, anything Cruiser tonnage or lower can be put together in good time. Anything larger, well, it can be done too, but will be expensive and slower to build.
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Postby Hothnia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:58 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:
Apror wrote:Umm, Houston? New Orleans? And it's Five by this point.

What's the biggest ship constructed in Houston and New Orleans?


Yeah. Neither of them really have a full blown naval base.

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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:59 pm

Hothnia wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:What's the biggest ship constructed in Houston and New Orleans?


Yeah. Neither of them really have a full blown naval base.

They could have in the past 40 years.
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Postby Pimps Inc » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:59 pm

Apror wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:What's the biggest ship constructed in Houston and New Orleans?

Not sure, but I'm sure they're up to the task if they were asked to. A little increasing of capabilities, though I'm sure they can.

Building cargo ships isn't the same as aircraft carriers. I dont think Houston and New Orleans even build military ships.
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Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:00 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:
Apror wrote:Not sure, but I'm sure they're up to the task if they were asked to. A little increasing of capabilities, though I'm sure they can.

Building cargo ships isn't the same as aircraft carriers. I dont think Houston and New Orleans even build military ships.

They do now. And yeah, they did in the past. Once duty called, they answered. Now, they're the main show.
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Postby Hothnia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:01 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Hothnia wrote:
Time to send in the two fleets of the old republic to get everyone to calm down and rejoin the union.


Pish posh.

The union is gone, probably never to be reforged. And two fleets of ships two generations obsolete will be asking for dangerous occasions if they try to make others cling to their vanished union.


It's possible and the ships aren't totally outdated. My ships at least have recently been refited by the Australians who are kinda the superpower of the world right now, considering their really the only ones who haven't been territorially effected by the collapse. Economically yes, territorially no.

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Postby Hothnia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:02 pm

Apror wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:Building cargo ships isn't the same as aircraft carriers. I dont think Houston and New Orleans even build military ships.

They do now. And yeah, they did in the past. Once duty called, they answered. Now, they're the main show.

But for five carriers and a massive fleet? I don't think Norfolk could that in forty years and it hasn't been through a second civil war.

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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 1:02 pm

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Apror wrote:Oh! Yeah, I'll send one in the next post. So you do Cruisers and Destroyers right?


Yep, anything Cruiser tonnage or lower can be put together in good time. Anything larger, well, it can be done too, but will be expensive and slower to build.

Okay, that sounds good. There's also the Fighter question. How long do you estimate for such orders to be fulfilled.
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