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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:48 am

Pimps Inc wrote:Can we even interact with countries from other continents as like NPCs or something.

I don't believe so. It hasn't been clarified.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:49 am

Pimps Inc wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Assuming a 1.081% annual population growth rate, Texas has a population of 46,183,780 people.

Florida's population would have a population of more than 34 million.

Right, seems in place with online projections. Florida is separated from Texas by Alabama and Mississippi which means getting troops, supplies, and manpower from Florida to Texas is going to be a bit difficult. That leaves about 46 million Texans against 150 million of Mexico Plus whatever Latinos support Mexico.

Not really. You see, there is a limit to the number of people an economy can support and it is usually no more than 3% perform you start suffering economic consequences. Your draft base is 17-35 in most cases, which is also the majority of your prime workforce. You start drafting even small percentages of that, you start to see workforce shortages. Additionally, only about 20-30% of your population is draftable and most of those will end up washing out of recruit training due to the physical and psychological demands.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:52 am

Additionally, the global economy is fucked, especially Mexico and Canada. The destruction of the US and the collapse of NAFTA, NATO, the UN and other such organizations likely resulted in MASSIVE wars across the globe. Europe vs Russia, Asia versus China, North Korea vs South Korea, India vs Pakistan, Arabs vs Israel, Saudi Arabia vs Iran. The world is likely much more chaotic and many countries have likely been destroyed, further harming the global economy. In 2064, the world is probably barely recovered.
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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:54 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:Additionally, the global economy is fucked, especially Mexico and Canada. The destruction of the US and the collapse of NAFTA, NATO, the UN and other such organizations likely resulted in MASSIVE wars across the globe. Europe vs Russia, Asia versus China, North Korea vs South Korea, India vs Pakistan, Arabs vs Israel, Saudi Arabia vs Iran. The world is likely much more chaotic and many countries have likely been destroyed, further harming the global economy. In 2064, the world is probably barely recovered.

Oh God, poor Israel.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:58 am

Apror wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Additionally, the global economy is fucked, especially Mexico and Canada. The destruction of the US and the collapse of NAFTA, NATO, the UN and other such organizations likely resulted in MASSIVE wars across the globe. Europe vs Russia, Asia versus China, North Korea vs South Korea, India vs Pakistan, Arabs vs Israel, Saudi Arabia vs Iran. The world is likely much more chaotic and many countries have likely been destroyed, further harming the global economy. In 2064, the world is probably barely recovered.

Oh God, poor Israel.

Yep. Israel, The Middle East, much of Southeast Asia, Europe, and Central Asia has been royally fucked by nuclear, biological, chemical, and conventional weapons.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:58 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:28 million 2017 estimate.

Assuming a 1.081% annual population growth rate, Texas has a population of 46,183,780 people.

Florida's population would have a population of more than 34 million.


Tbf, those are modern figures.

Society falling apart might have involved some serious casualties. Ditto war.
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Postby South Vict » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:03 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Assuming a 1.081% annual population growth rate, Texas has a population of 46,183,780 people.

Florida's population would have a population of more than 34 million.


Tbf, those are modern figures.

Society falling apart might have involved some serious casualties. Ditto war.

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Postby Pimps Inc » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:04 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:Additionally, the global economy is fucked, especially Mexico and Canada. The destruction of the US and the collapse of NAFTA, NATO, the UN and other such organizations likely resulted in MASSIVE wars across the globe. Europe vs Russia, Asia versus China, North Korea vs South Korea, India vs Pakistan, Arabs vs Israel, Saudi Arabia vs Iran. The world is likely much more chaotic and many countries have likely been destroyed, further harming the global economy. In 2064, the world is probably barely recovered.

Aww, I wanted to buy Russian arms. Let's see what the conglomerate has in stock.
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Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:05 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Assuming a 1.081% annual population growth rate, Texas has a population of 46,183,780 people.

Florida's population would have a population of more than 34 million.


Tbf, those are modern figures.

Society falling apart might have involved some serious casualties. Ditto war.

Texas is practically a country already. It would probably fare pretty well. Same with California. Most of the rest of the country is fucked.
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Against: Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Liberalism, Theocracy, Corporatocracy.


By the Blood of our Fathers, By the Blood of our Sons, we fight, we die, we sacrifice for the Good of the Empire.

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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:05 am

Pimps Inc wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Additionally, the global economy is fucked, especially Mexico and Canada. The destruction of the US and the collapse of NAFTA, NATO, the UN and other such organizations likely resulted in MASSIVE wars across the globe. Europe vs Russia, Asia versus China, North Korea vs South Korea, India vs Pakistan, Arabs vs Israel, Saudi Arabia vs Iran. The world is likely much more chaotic and many countries have likely been destroyed, further harming the global economy. In 2064, the world is probably barely recovered.

Aww, I wanted to buy Russian arms. Let's see what the conglomerate has in stock.

You could always buy Texan arms! Oh wait, you guys don't like us. Nvm.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:06 am

Pimps Inc wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Additionally, the global economy is fucked, especially Mexico and Canada. The destruction of the US and the collapse of NAFTA, NATO, the UN and other such organizations likely resulted in MASSIVE wars across the globe. Europe vs Russia, Asia versus China, North Korea vs South Korea, India vs Pakistan, Arabs vs Israel, Saudi Arabia vs Iran. The world is likely much more chaotic and many countries have likely been destroyed, further harming the global economy. In 2064, the world is probably barely recovered.

Aww, I wanted to buy Russian arms. Let's see what the conglomerate has in stock.

Dude, AKs are everywhere.
For: Israel, Palestine, Kurdistan, American Nationalism, American citizens of Guam, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, Northern Mariana Islands, and US Virgin Islands receiving a congressional vote and being allowed to vote for president, military, veterans before refugees, guns, pro choice, LGBT marriage, plural marriage, US Constitution, World Peace, Global Unity.

Against: Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Liberalism, Theocracy, Corporatocracy.


By the Blood of our Fathers, By the Blood of our Sons, we fight, we die, we sacrifice for the Good of the Empire.

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Postby Pimps Inc » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:07 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:Right, seems in place with online projections. Florida is separated from Texas by Alabama and Mississippi which means getting troops, supplies, and manpower from Florida to Texas is going to be a bit difficult. That leaves about 46 million Texans against 150 million of Mexico Plus whatever Latinos support Mexico.

Not really. You see, there is a limit to the number of people an economy can support and it is usually no more than 3% perform you start suffering economic consequences. Your draft base is 17-35 in most cases, which is also the majority of your prime workforce. You start drafting even small percentages of that, you start to see workforce shortages. Additionally, only about 20-30% of your population is draftable and most of those will end up washing out of recruit training due to the physical and psychological demands.

In saying my draft pool and labor manpower are larger than Texas' because I have a larger population.
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2024: The Long Peace - United Mexican States


Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:08 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Tbf, those are modern figures.

Society falling apart might have involved some serious casualties. Ditto war.

Texas is practically a country already. It would probably fare pretty well. Same with California. Most of the rest of the country is fucked.


Eh, not really. Texas is pretty inextricably linked in with the rest of the country; hell, even if it weren't a state, most of the entire world would go tits up if the U.S. economy and political system just collapsed. Between refugees stretching resources, reactions against the movement of refugees, political warfare, resource warfare, the loss of international trade... nobody is going to be sitting pretty with no major losses, even if we're talking about, say, Iceland. The world is just too interconnected these days.
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Postby Pimps Inc » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:09 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:Aww, I wanted to buy Russian arms. Let's see what the conglomerate has in stock.

Dude, AKs are everywhere.

I'm not talking AKs but tanks, aircraft. Especially ships. Time to make do.
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2024: The Long Peace - United Mexican States


Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Postby Pimps Inc » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:09 am

Air defense weapons are also high on my list.
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2024: The Long Peace - United Mexican States


Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:10 am

Pimps Inc wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Dude, AKs are everywhere.

I'm not talking AKs but tanks, aircraft. Especially ships. Time to make do.


Blue Sky, of course, has tanks for sale. I've honestly considered putting together a bill of sale for the Conglomerate's wares. Maybe I'll do that if people start wanting to buy.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:10 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Texas is practically a country already. It would probably fare pretty well. Same with California. Most of the rest of the country is fucked.


Eh, not really. Texas is pretty inextricably linked in with the rest of the country; hell, even if it weren't a state, most of the entire world would go tits up if the U.S. economy and political system just collapsed. Between refugees stretching resources, reactions against the movement of refugees, political warfare, resource warfare, the loss of international trade... nobody is going to be sitting pretty with no major losses, even if we're talking about, say, Iceland. The world is just too interconnected these days.

Actually, economically speaking, Texas is rather independent from the rest of the country. Sure the first 20 or 30 years are gonna be a bitch but overall Texas will do fairly well. By now if figure most of the world is starting to stabilize and trade is picking up again.
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Against: Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Liberalism, Theocracy, Corporatocracy.


By the Blood of our Fathers, By the Blood of our Sons, we fight, we die, we sacrifice for the Good of the Empire.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:11 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Eh, not really. Texas is pretty inextricably linked in with the rest of the country; hell, even if it weren't a state, most of the entire world would go tits up if the U.S. economy and political system just collapsed. Between refugees stretching resources, reactions against the movement of refugees, political warfare, resource warfare, the loss of international trade... nobody is going to be sitting pretty with no major losses, even if we're talking about, say, Iceland. The world is just too interconnected these days.

Actually, economically speaking, Texas is rather independent from the rest of the country. Sure the first 20 or 30 years are gonna be a bitch but overall Texas will do fairly well. By now if figure most of the world is starting to stabilize and trade is picking up again.


How will Texas handle all the refugees from less fortunate states swarming across their borders looking for a slice of that relative prosperity?
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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:11 am

Pimps Inc wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Not really. You see, there is a limit to the number of people an economy can support and it is usually no more than 3% perform you start suffering economic consequences. Your draft base is 17-35 in most cases, which is also the majority of your prime workforce. You start drafting even small percentages of that, you start to see workforce shortages. Additionally, only about 20-30% of your population is draftable and most of those will end up washing out of recruit training due to the physical and psychological demands.

In saying my draft pool and labor manpower are larger than Texas' because I have a larger population.

Manpower=/= victory.
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:12 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Actually, economically speaking, Texas is rather independent from the rest of the country. Sure the first 20 or 30 years are gonna be a bitch but overall Texas will do fairly well. By now if figure most of the world is starting to stabilize and trade is picking up again.


How will Texas handle all the refugees from less fortunate states swarming across their borders looking for a slice of that relative prosperity?

Probably with rifles and 12 gauge shotguns.
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Against: Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Liberalism, Theocracy, Corporatocracy.


By the Blood of our Fathers, By the Blood of our Sons, we fight, we die, we sacrifice for the Good of the Empire.

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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:14 am

Apror wrote:
Pimps Inc wrote:In saying my draft pool and labor manpower are larger than Texas' because I have a larger population.

Manpower=/= victory.

Not anymore. Texas had several US military units to start with and Mexico's military doesn't really have anything special or up to date. Texas has a clear technological edge over Mexico.
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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:14 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
How will Texas handle all the refugees from less fortunate states swarming across their borders looking for a slice of that relative prosperity?

Probably with rifles and 12 gauge shotguns.

Uhh, uhh *begins sweating profusely*
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Postby The Manticoran Empire » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:14 am

Pimps Inc wrote:
The Manticoran Empire wrote:Dude, AKs are everywhere.

I'm not talking AKs but tanks, aircraft. Especially ships. Time to make do.

Russian ships are death traps.
For: Israel, Palestine, Kurdistan, American Nationalism, American citizens of Guam, American Samoa, Puerto Rico, Northern Mariana Islands, and US Virgin Islands receiving a congressional vote and being allowed to vote for president, military, veterans before refugees, guns, pro choice, LGBT marriage, plural marriage, US Constitution, World Peace, Global Unity.

Against: Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Liberalism, Theocracy, Corporatocracy.


By the Blood of our Fathers, By the Blood of our Sons, we fight, we die, we sacrifice for the Good of the Empire.

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Postby Apror » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:15 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:
Apror wrote:Manpower=/= victory.

Not anymore. Texas had several US military units to start with and Mexico's military doesn't really have anything special or up to date. Texas has a clear technological edge over Mexico.

Then there's our Robot Soldiers, not including the Mechas who are for Special occasions. I'm going to address them next post.
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2. Pro-Life
3. Pro 1st Amendment
4. Pro Second Amendment
5. Pro Equality between all people.

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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Jun 15, 2017 11:16 am

The Manticoran Empire wrote:
G-Tech Corporation wrote:
How will Texas handle all the refugees from less fortunate states swarming across their borders looking for a slice of that relative prosperity?

Probably with rifles and 12 gauge shotguns.


That's a good way to get everybody else trying to kill you, and a civil war to boot :P
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