The Awesome Pony Rp : Equestria Divided (OOC, CLOSED)

[The Flutterlands]

Well, wouldn't Celestia know?

Why? Diamondgrad is in the middle of Lethe, not Equestria. She's less likely to know about developments in other countries than in her own.

Further, the Diamond Dogs have always seemed to operate under the radar of virtually everyone, especially for something as world-changing as their own nation.

Well, why would Celestia go to a meeting she hardly knows anything about?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Well, why would Celestia go to a meeting she hardly knows anything about?

Because she's the host of the meeting?

[The Flutterlands]

Well, why would Celestia go to a meeting she hardly knows anything about?

Because she's the host of the meeting?

Why would she host a meeting not knowing what it would be about?

[Frenequesta]

Because she's the host of the meeting?

Why would she host a meeting not knowing what it would be about?

She knows it is about changelings. It will be about Diamondgrad too when the Diamond Dogs do declare independence--as in, "might as well address this while we are together."

[The Flutterlands]

Why would she host a meeting not knowing what it would be about?

She knows it is about changelings. It will be about Diamondgrad too when the Diamond Dogs do declare independence--as in, "might as well address this while we are together."

Ah.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Alright, I know it's taken a while, but I've gone ahead and made my opening post in the IC.

[Turmenista]

As a heads up, I put "one day before the RP's events" in my header just do it'll be more compatible with the plot.

[The Flutterlands]

I thought we weren't doing a Great War...

[Fascist Russian Empire]

I thought we weren't doing a Great War...

Well, it was my intention for the All-Maker's planned campaign against the Sand Changelings to be interrupted by the announcement of the diamond dogs declaring independence; I had written everything before seeing the whole "the day before the start" thing from Turmenista.

Either way, terrorist attacks and more massacres against changelings shouldn't start any kind of world war; I mean, after all, those things are already going on (you can see in Fren's OP that there was a recent attack around Vanhoover). The All-Maker's rhetoric of proclaiming a grand struggle against the changelings is more about inspiring his followers to engage in more independent anti-changeling massacres as opposed to a declaration of intent to start a massive war with Celestia and break the peace treaty.

[The Flutterlands]

I thought we weren't doing a Great War...

Well, it was my intention for the All-Maker's planned campaign against the Sand Changelings to be interrupted by the announcement of the diamond dogs declaring independence; I had written everything before seeing the whole "the day before the start" thing from Turmenista.

Either way, terrorist attacks and more massacres against changelings shouldn't start any kind of world war; I mean, after all, those things are already going on (you can see in Fren's OP that there was a recent attack around Vanhoover). The All-Maker's rhetoric of proclaiming a grand struggle against the changelings is more about inspiring his followers to engage in more independent anti-changeling massacres as opposed to a declaration of intent to start a massive war with Celestia and break the peace treaty.

Okay and the massacres should strictly remain in Lethe territory where therr should be few changelings left aside from the sand changelings...

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Okay and the massacres should strictly remain in Lethe territory where therr should be few changelings left aside from the sand changelings...

Eh, didn't you see Fren's post? Allow me to quote the specific segment.

"I hope they will," smiled Cadence. The two stood awkwardly silent for a moment, as if they realized they were getting off track. Finally, Cadence spoke up. "By the way, how are the investigations going on Baysie-Tackoma?"

"Lethe won't confirm or deny that the group crossed our borders, much less that it ordered the attack," said Smoky. "And they seem indifferent to the fact that those changelings were my citizens."

"I am not surprised," sighed Cadence. "But we shouldn't be turning a blind eye to wanton killings of changelings anywhere."

"I know. But Lethe's a real threat to us. Even Manehattan isn't going around looking for changelings to kill. It'll only be a matter of time before the All-Maker actually sends armies out to our hills and strike every colony and hive they know of."

"Well, if it does come to that, the Crystal Guard's there for you."

"Well, that's another thing," Smoky hesitated. "There's only one base in the Tackoma area, and a small one. Meanwhile there's several known sizable colonies around there, and a couple hundred Guards wouldn't be able to defend all of them fast enough. If you could send some more Guards to that area I'd greatly appreciate it. Believe it or not, one of the bigger candidates for the next presidential election is calling for Cataract raising its own army."

"I'll see what I can do," nodded Cadence. "My defense minister seems to think that an invasion of us is more likely than yours. You might want to talk to him, too." She then rubbed her chin with her hoof. "Although... we might wait until that summit that Princess Celestia's calling to see if we can't get Lethe to keep their massacres to themselves." She almost threw up upon saying that last phrase--compromise on genocide was just not tolerable to even contemplate. She knew she would do everything to cajole the All-Maker to stop calling for murder--and even that seemed like conceding too much.

There's already massacres outside of Lethe. The epilogue for the last thread also said that there is violence against changelings outside of Lethe.

[The Flutterlands]

Okay and the massacres should strictly remain in Lethe territory where therr should be few changelings left aside from the sand changelings...

Eh, didn't you see Fren's post? Allow me to quote the specific segment.

"I hope they will," smiled Cadence. The two stood awkwardly silent for a moment, as if they realized they were getting off track. Finally, Cadence spoke up. "By the way, how are the investigations going on Baysie-Tackoma?"

"Lethe won't confirm or deny that the group crossed our borders, much less that it ordered the attack," said Smoky. "And they seem indifferent to the fact that those changelings were my citizens."

"I am not surprised," sighed Cadence. "But we shouldn't be turning a blind eye to wanton killings of changelings anywhere."

"I know. But Lethe's a real threat to us. Even Manehattan isn't going around looking for changelings to kill. It'll only be a matter of time before the All-Maker actually sends armies out to our hills and strike every colony and hive they know of."

"Well, if it does come to that, the Crystal Guard's there for you."

"Well, that's another thing," Smoky hesitated. "There's only one base in the Tackoma area, and a small one. Meanwhile there's several known sizable colonies around there, and a couple hundred Guards wouldn't be able to defend all of them fast enough. If you could send some more Guards to that area I'd greatly appreciate it. Believe it or not, one of the bigger candidates for the next presidential election is calling for Cataract raising its own army."

"I'll see what I can do," nodded Cadence. "My defense minister seems to think that an invasion of us is more likely than yours. You might want to talk to him, too." She then rubbed her chin with her hoof. "Although... we might wait until that summit that Princess Celestia's calling to see if we can't get Lethe to keep their massacres to themselves." She almost threw up upon saying that last phrase--compromise on genocide was just not tolerable to even contemplate. She knew she would do everything to cajole the All-Maker to stop calling for murder--and even that seemed like conceding too much.

There's already massacres outside of Lethe. The epilogue for the last thread also said that there is violence against changelings outside of Lethe.

Then we should be having an international crisis and I should take back Celestia not going and have her threaten war should Lethe try that shit on her country... A World War is inevitable at this point.

[Fascist Russian Empire]

Then we should be having an international crisis and I should take back Celestia not going and have her threaten war should Lethe try that shit on her country... A World War is inevitable at this point.

You know, I've noticed a lot of going back and forth between ideas in this thread. I say that we really ought to develop a cohesive plan and stick to it, because it seems to me like everyone is going in contradictory directions, myself included. We never really established a concrete plan for how the IC would start; maybe we should correct that oversight, because it seems like everyone has a different idea for how things should kick off.

[Nocturniica]

Then we should be having an international crisis and I should take back Celestia not going and have her threaten war should Lethe try that shit on her country... A World War is inevitable at this point.

You know, I've noticed a lot of going back and forth between ideas in this thread. I say that we really ought to develop a cohesive plan and stick to it, because it seems to me like everyone is going in contradictory directions, myself included. We never really established a concrete plan for how the IC would start; maybe we should correct that oversight, because it seems like everyone has a different idea for how things should kick off.

All right, I agree. I'm all for planning and outlining.


Let's just sit down and look at the situation


1. We have characters that want revenge on King Phillip. They want him dead.

2. We have an All-Maker fellow who wants all the Changelings dead.

3. We have a political leaders who want peace, unity, or at the very least alliances.

4. Celestia, as far as we know, does NOT want war either

5. Diamondgrad just wants independence.

6. None of us want anyone dying too soon in the story, and we just had a major war, so we aren't sure if we want another war this soon.




All right, so we all agree these are the six things we want involved in the story, right? We don't want to kill anyone, but there will probably be killing involved somewhere, and there is potential for a war to start but we don't want one too soon.

Can we all agree that's what we want?

we can go from there.

[Ippeia]

In a geopolitical sense, it makes no sense to keep the current tensions from escalating into a war within the frame of this specific RP, unless some sort of Mutually Assured Destruction is enabled. The best case could be to achieve a situation similar to that of 1913 Europe, and even that is too good for this (Many were claiming that despite grudges and alliance blocs, there would be no great war...) and most likely, like the truces between Coalitions in the Napoleonic Wars.

From where I see it, either there is an incident that leads to a war between Equestria (and those states that are not friendly to Lethe) and Lethe (alongside Nubes-Synnefo), or the White Knight starts the war himself... There can be no Hitler-like expansion without a Chamberlain, and I see none here...

If we want this to avoid a full-blown war, and enter a "cold war" of sorts, we need MAD.

EDIT: please, let's not make this something worthy of George RR Martin, and keep our characters alive for most of the RP... lol

[The Flutterlands]

In the meeting, we should make an agreement to at least ether restrict the changeling killings to Lethe or end it all together. I don't care what All Maker, says or do. He can go fuck himself for all I care. If we don't want war then we should try restricting the killings or just ending it.

Ether that or we can actually make preventing the Great War an actual plot point as part of EquestrIan Reunification, how ever that could work.

[Ippeia]

In the meeting, we should make an agreement to at least ether restrict the changeling killings to Lethe or end it all together. I don't care what All Maker, says or do. He can go fuck himself for all I care. If we don't want war then we should try restricting the killings or just ending it.

Ether that or we can actually make preventing the Great War an actual plot point as part of EquestrIan Reunification, how ever that could work.

Well, maybe the development of MAD can become a plot point then?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

In the meeting, we should make an agreement to restrict the channeling killings to Lethe the. I don't care what All Maker wants, says or do. He can go fuck himself for all I care. If we don't want war then we should try restricting the killings.

Ether that or we can actually make preventing the Great War an actual plot point as part of EquestrIan Reunification, how ever that could work.

A treaty is only valid if people sign it, you know. Celestia can write bills all day long telling foreign countries what they can and can't do, and it would have absolutely no impact on those countries unless they actually agree to it. The United States could agree that China needs to stop persecuting the political opposition, and absolutely nothing would come out of it unless China also agreed to it.

In a geopolitical sense, it makes no sense to keep the current tensions from escalating into a war within the frame of this specific RP, unless some sort of Mutually Assured Destruction is enabled. The best case could be to achieve a situation similar to that of 1913 Europe, and even that is too good for this (Many were claiming that despite grudges and alliance blocs, there would be no great war...) and most likely, like the truces between Coalitions in the Napoleonic Wars.

From where I see it, either there is an incident that leads to a war between Equestria (and those states that are not friendly to Lethe) and Lethe (alongside Nubes-Synnefo), or the White Knight starts the war himself... There can be no Hitler-like expansion without a Chamberlain, and I see none here...

If we want this to avoid a full-blown war, and enter a "cold war" of sorts, we need MAD.

I agree that it would make a lot of sense to have superweapons of some kind create an artificial peace. Instead of conventional weapons, though, maybe something magical would fit the setting a bit better. Perhaps Celestia could discover the magic artifact that serves as the All-Maker's secret weakness, and that could be her ace in the hole against Lethe, and the All-Maker could invent some sort of magical super-spell which could wreak devastation against his enemies, and that could be his source of leverage against Celestia.

All right, I agree. I'm all for planning and outlining.


Let's just sit down and look at the situation


1. We have characters that want revenge on King Phillip. They want him dead.

2. We have an All-Maker fellow who wants all the Changelings dead.

3. We have a political leaders who want peace, unity, or at the very least alliances.

4. Celestia, as far as we know, does NOT want war either

5. Diamondgrad just wants independence.

6. None of us want anyone dying too soon in the story, and we just had a major war, so we aren't sure if we want another war this soon.




All right, so we all agree these are the six things we want involved in the story, right? We don't want to kill anyone, but there will probably be killing involved somewhere, and there is potential for a war to start but we don't want one too soon.

Can we all agree that's what we want?

we can go from there.

Sounds fine to me.

[Ippeia]

I agree that it would make a lot of sense to have superweapons of some kind create an artificial peace. Instead of conventional weapons, though, maybe something magical would fit the setting a bit better. Perhaps Celestia could discover the magic artifact that serves as the All-Maker's secret weakness, and that could be her ace in the hole against Lethe, and the All-Maker could invent some sort of magical super-spell which could wreak devastation against his enemies, and that could be his source of leverage against Celestia.

Great Artifact Hunt anyone?

[The Flutterlands]

In the meeting, we should make an agreement to restrict the channeling killings to Lethe the. I don't care what All Maker wants, says or do. He can go fuck himself for all I care. If we don't want war then we should try restricting the killings.

Ether that or we can actually make preventing the Great War an actual plot point as part of EquestrIan Reunification, how ever that could work.

A treaty is only valid if people sign it, you know. Celestia can write bills all day long telling foreign countries what they can and can't do, and it would have absolutely no impact on those countries unless they actually agree to it. The United States could agree that China needs to stop persecuting the political opposition, and absolutely nothing would come out of it unless China also agreed to it..

I don't care about that. I don't want a Great War, but you seem to insist on pushing my buttons with the Changeling subject. I'm not fooling around here. A treaty must be made to restrict Changeling killings and it must be followed. Otherwise, I will start a war and fuck up all our plans. No it's, ands, or buts. Unless we come to an agreement of how we can make it an actual plot point.

I am not kidding. I'm taking your insistence for Changeling killings and desire to prevent a war as bargaining chips t ol make sure things go smoothly for our first third of the plot at hand.

[Nocturniica]

A treaty is only valid if people sign it, you know. Celestia can write bills all day long telling foreign countries what they can and can't do, and it would have absolutely no impact on those countries unless they actually agree to it. The United States could agree that China needs to stop persecuting the political opposition, and absolutely nothing would come out of it unless China also agreed to it..

I don't care about that. I don't want a Great War, but you seem to insist on pushing my buttons with the Changeling subject. I'm not fooling around here. A treaty must be made to restrict Changeling killings and it must be followed. Otherwise, I will start a war and fuck up all our plans. No it's, ands, or buts. Unless we come to an agreement of how we can make it an actual plot point.

I am not kidding. I'm taking your insistence for Changeling killings and desire to prevent a war as bargaining chips t ol make sure things go smoothly for our first third of the plot at hand.

All right, I think we all need to just take a moment to breathe. *breathe deeply*


All right, Flutterlands does not want their Changelings killed off, and FRE knows that the All-Maker insists on killing Changelings. It's not FRE's fault, it is how the character is. To be true to the characters is important.

However, with no Changelings, we'd lose a huge part of our culture, and our protagonists/antagonists.

Hence, I think it would be best if we did find a way to NOT kill all the Sand...hey.

I know this is probably Deus-Ex-Machina, but what about this:

TOV TRIES to kill the Sand-Changelings, but Discord steps in and teleports all Sand Changelings far away to... .say.. .a Desert in... Ippeia. That would save the Sand-Changelings while establishing how serious the All-Maker is about killing off Changelings, and also find a way to bring in the nation of Ippeia and its characters into the plot.

Everyone goes home safe and happy.

...yes?

[Fascist Russian Empire]

I don't care about that. I don't want a Great War, but you seem to insist on pushing my buttons with the Changeling subject. I'm not fooling around here. A treaty must be made to restrict Changeling killings and it must be followed. Otherwise, I will start a war and fuck up all our plans. No it's, ands, or buts.

I am not kidding.

My plan kinda already had wrenches thrown into it with Turmenista revealing that the Diamondgrad declaration of independence took place the day before the IC start-date, and the sudden revelation that apparently Celestia's summit is going to be about Diamondgrad when I (and apparently Fren) had been under the impression that it would be about something else because I had been told that the independence debacle wouldn't happen until after the IC starts. I had based my entire post around the idea that there was going to be a summit about changelings or something, and that the diamond dogs would declare independence shortly after the IC start date; needless to say, that's been thrown out the window with these new developments.

Hell, I don't think any two of us actually had the same plan in mind, judging from the IC as it stands. All of plans are fucked up when you think about it, on account of them being contradictory to one another. We ought to have confirmed what we were going to do before the IC started, but we seemed to have overlooked that step and now we have a bit of a mess as a result.

I personally don't actually particularly mind the whole "Great War" idea. It wasn't what I intended, or what anyone else intended as far as I can tell, but it would still be a fun and exciting story to follow. It would actually be a satisfying story with a genuine conflict; nothing would be forced or coming out of nowhere. Having a magical peace treaty just cancel all the previously established details and character traits wouldn't be satisfying in the slightest; there's no buildup, there's no explanation for why it would happen other than the author wanting it to happen.

[Nocturniica]

I don't care about that. I don't want a Great War, but you seem to insist on pushing my buttons with the Changeling subject. I'm not fooling around here. A treaty must be made to restrict Changeling killings and it must be followed. Otherwise, I will start a war and fuck up all our plans. No it's, ands, or buts.

I am not kidding.

My plan kinda already had wrenches thrown into it with Turmenista revealing that the Diamondgrad declaration of independence took place the day before the IC start-date, and the sudden revelation that apparently Celestia's summit is going to be about Diamondgrad when I (and apparently Fren) had been under the impression that it would be about something else because I had been told that the independence debacle wouldn't happen until after the IC starts. I had based my entire post around the idea that there was going to be a summit about changelings or something, and that the diamond dogs would declare independence shortly after the IC start date; needless to say, that's been thrown out the window with these new developments.

Hell, I don't think any two of us actually had the same plan in mind, judging from the IC as it stands. All of plans are fucked up when you think about it, on account of them being contradictory to one another. We ought to have confirmed what we were going to do before the IC started, but we seemed to have overlooked that step and now we have a bit of a mess as a result.

I personally don't actually particularly mind the whole "Great War" idea. It wasn't what I intended, or what anyone else intended as far as I can tell, but it would still be a fun and exciting story to follow. It would actually be a satisfying story with a genuine conflict; nothing would be forced or coming out of nowhere. Having a magical peace treaty just cancel all the previously established details and character traits wouldn't be satisfying in the slightest; there's no buildup, there's no explanation for why it would happen other than the author wanting it to happen.

Time out!

*Points to above post*

[Turmenista]

I don't care about that. I don't want a Great War, but you seem to insist on pushing my buttons with the Changeling subject. I'm not fooling around here. A treaty must be made to restrict Changeling killings and it must be followed. Otherwise, I will start a war and fuck up all our plans. No it's, ands, or buts.

I am not kidding.

My plan kinda already had wrenches thrown into it with Turmenista revealing that the Diamondgrad declaration of independence took place the day before the IC start-date, and the sudden revelation that apparently Celestia's summit is going to be about Diamondgrad when I (and apparently Fren) had been under the impression that it would be about something else because I had been told that the independence debacle wouldn't happen until after the IC starts. I had based my entire post around the idea that there was going to be a summit about changelings or something, and that the diamond dogs would declare independence shortly after the IC start date; needless to say, that's been thrown out the window with these new developments.

Hell, I don't think any two of us actually had the same plan in mind, judging from the IC as it stands. All of plans are fucked up when you think about it, on account of them being contradictory to one another. We ought to have confirmed what we were going to do before the IC started, but we seemed to have overlooked that step and now we have a bit of a mess as a result.

I personally don't actually particularly mind the whole "Great War" idea. It wasn't what I intended, or what anyone else intended as far as I can tell, but it would still be a fun and exciting story to follow. It would actually be a satisfying story with a genuine conflict; nothing would be forced or coming out of nowhere. Having a magical peace treaty just cancel all the previously established details and character traits wouldn't be satisfying in the slightest; there's no buildup, there's no explanation for why it would happen other than the author wanting it to happen.

Woah, woah woah. I was under the impression that nobody really knew Diamondgrad even existed before my post in the RP. The whole "day before the IC start" thing isn't official yet, but I was just thinking about doing that since I saw someone had already posted about Diamondgrad in the IC before I did.

[Ippeia]

I don't care about that. I don't want a Great War, but you seem to insist on pushing my buttons with the Changeling subject. I'm not fooling around here. A treaty must be made to restrict Changeling killings and it must be followed. Otherwise, I will start a war and fuck up all our plans. No it's, ands, or buts.

I am not kidding.

My plan kinda already had wrenches thrown into it with Turmenista revealing that the Diamondgrad declaration of independence took place the day before the IC start-date, and the sudden revelation that apparently Celestia's summit is going to be about Diamondgrad when I (and apparently Fren) had been under the impression that it would be about something else because I had been told that the independence debacle wouldn't happen until after the IC starts. I had based my entire post around the idea that there was going to be a summit about changelings or something, and that the diamond dogs would declare independence shortly after the IC start date; needless to say, that's been thrown out the window with these new developments.

Hell, I don't think any two of us actually had the same plan in mind, judging from the IC as it stands. All of plans are fucked up when you think about it, on account of them being contradictory to one another. We ought to have confirmed what we were going to do before the IC started, but we seemed to have overlooked that step and now we have a bit of a mess as a result.

I personally don't actually particularly mind the whole "Great War" idea. It wasn't what I intended, or what anyone else intended as far as I can tell, but it would still be a fun and exciting story to follow. It would actually be a satisfying story with a genuine conflict; nothing would be forced or coming out of nowhere. Having a magical peace treaty just cancel all the previously established details and character traits wouldn't be satisfying in the slightest; there's no buildup, there's no explanation for why it would happen other than the author wanting it to happen.

Let's make this meeting about "testing waters" and avoid starting with an attack on anything... an actual treaty can be made if, say, we establish MAD, or similar