Alternative History 2017-OOC-Open

[Apror]

That moment when you are the world super power in the region and everyone in Europe and most of Africa and Middle East is your area.

That moment your best friend is about to go full Imperial.

[Greater Slavic Union]

NS name: Rezina
IC Name: Romania
Government type: Authoritarian Democracy
Population: 49.7 Million
Capital: Bucharest
Leader: Ioana Maria Albescu
Position/title: President
Age: 32
Picture: https://images.alphacoders.com/189/189903.jpg
Active Duty military: 900,000
Reserve military: 2,100,000
Tanks: 6,200
Carriers: 0
Destroyers: 15
Cruisers: 13
Submarines: 27
Helicopters: 460 (150 are attack helicopters)
Fighter Jets: 398
Attack Aircraft (Includes bombers): 432
Nukes (Just yes or no will do): No (heavily developed nuclear program though - currently testing solid fuel LRBM's)
One paragraph History of your nation: Romania was able to remain free and prosperous as World War Two stayed away from its borders, because of the German invasion of the Soviet Union in 1943, which prevented any possible Soviet assault into Romania as they the Soviets were promptly ejected from Ukraine too, and the Soviet Union fragmented and collapsed. With this, Romania was able to continue its expansion as regional economic power by a mixture of regulated national industry for things such as heavy industry, arms manufacturing, water and energy but vast economic freedom for foreign corporations and investors which was able to boost employment and the salary of the workers without regulating the economy to the point where foreign investors would be scared away but also allowing its main and vital economic assets to become self sufficient and was also able to use its vast amount of natural resources such as its oil fields, new industries such as heavy industry and electronics and older industries such as agriculture to create a vastly superior economy to those of its European counterparts that had been involved in WW2 and by the 50's the economy was booming. This economic strength allowed Romania to vastly expand its military in all sectors, with Romania managing to produce the significant majority of its military equipment. Minorities such as the Hungarians, Jews, Ruthenians, Ukrainians, Russians, Bulgarians, Romani, Turks, Gagauzians, Czechs, Slovaks, Serbs, Croats, Slovenes, Poles, Greeks, Tatars, Armenians, Hutsuls and Albanians were deported in massive numbers, with 90% of them being ejected to their homelands through tense but peaceful deals with their states, whilst those that remained were heavily latinized and re-educated to the point where their previous heritage had been forgotten and flushed out, and were allowed to integrate into Romanian society. A large state-funded mandatory childbirth program was introduced in 1959 which began to significantly boost the population of Romania which continued until 1991, allowing there to be more children that had grown up and were now boosting the economic output of the state due to its larger workforce. Economic growth and prosperity has continued to this day, with Romania transitioning back into democracy in 1976.
One paragraph history of your leader: Distant relative of of Romanian Dictator Ion Victor Antonescu whom served until death in 1976, she was born in Calafat and was the daughter of a Romanian Army captain. She moved to Bucharest at the age of 7 where she would remain. From a young age, she became interested in the military but also politics. At university she studied military science, politics, law, and economics and passed all with thee highest honours at the age of 22. At the age of 23, with her fathers help, she re-established the National Christian Party in 2008 which won 33% of the seats in 2008, 42% of the seats in 2012 and 82% of the seats in a landslide election in 2016, making her Romania's youngest ever ruler and the new face of Romanian Nationalism.

2000 - Do not remove

Oh and before Ukraine complains, all my stats have been based off a realistic estimation of population boosting, if conscription was introduced into a state with a boosted population, and the fact that Romania's economy has always been stronger than Ukraine's in real life and given the circumstances of the timeline, it would be even more favourable for Romania, and new economic growth translating into increased defence spending ;^)

You started being better off in 1999. I just looked in google "Ukraine GDP"

[Rezina]

You started being better off in 1999. I just looked in google "Ukraine GDP"

Well duh, 40+ years of Soviet oppression and the fact that they bombed Romania to shit, as well as the US. None of this happened, Romania was virtually untouched in accordance with the timeline. My economy is better than yours. Hell, even irl data from 1998 shows that the Romanian economy was still superior to the Ukrainian one. If Romania IC'ly started getting better before yours (which is did Irl too, and for the most part of the Cold War, generally was), we are better than yours full stop.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/romania/gdp

[Laeuwen]

Yeah this is some basic logic: if Romania's economy surpassed the Ukrainians irl after the collapse of Communism, if Romania got started way earlier than Ukraine did IC'ly then its economy would be better. Sorry Ukraine.

[Chewion]

What the heck is with all the young hot female leaders?

[Rezina]

Yeah this is some basic logic: if Romania's economy surpassed the Ukrainians irl after the collapse of Communism, if Romania got started way earlier than Ukraine did IC'ly then its economy would be better. Sorry Ukraine.

^

[Apror]

Yeah this is some basic logic: if Romania's economy surpassed the Ukrainians irl after the collapse of Communism, if Romania got started way earlier than Ukraine did IC'ly then its economy would be better. Sorry Ukraine.

Dayum.

[Rezina]

Yeah this is some basic logic: if Romania's economy surpassed the Ukrainians irl after the collapse of Communism, if Romania got started way earlier than Ukraine did IC'ly then its economy would be better. Sorry Ukraine.

Dayum.

Think about it; Legionary Romania wouldn't have had to blow through all of that money fighting off the Soviets. Our oil and other resource supplies wouldn't have been drained by the Germans or the Soviets or used in the war effort. We would have been way better to rapidly expand our economy than the Ukrainians, and we got started many years earlier compared to Ukraine. If Germany never invaded in 1941, Romania would never send troops to contribute in the Battle of Stalingrad etc, heck, my economy would be jumping from as soon as WW2 ended, gonna fix that in my app.

[Laeuwen]

Dayum.

Think about it; Legionary Romania wouldn't have had to blow through all of that money fighting off the Soviets. Our oil and other resource supplies wouldn't have been drained by the Germans or the Soviets or used in the war effort. We would have been way better to rapidly expand our economy than the Ukrainians, and we got started many years earlier compared to Ukraine. If Germany never invaded in 1941, Romania would never send troops to contribute in the Battle of Stalingrad etc, heck, my economy would be jumping from as soon as WW2 ended, gonna fix that in my app.

Yeah she has a point. Plus since you have oil you can expect to enjoy A M E R I C A D O L L A R S.

[Greater Slavic Union]

You started being better off in 1999. I just looked in google "Ukraine GDP"

Well duh, 40+ years of Soviet oppression and the fact that they bombed Romania to shit, as well as the US. None of this happened, Romania was virtually untouched in accordance with the timeline. My economy is better than yours. Hell, even irl data from 1998 shows that the Romanian economy was still superior to the Ukrainian one. If Romania IC'ly started getting better before yours (which is did Irl too, and for the most part of the Cold War, generally was), we are better than yours full stop.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/romania/gdp

Starting year in those graphs is 2007

By the way, you wanna compare to destruction in Ukraine during WW2?

Currently, Ukraine has a weak economy because of, well, 20 years of lacked occasions.
If it had not missed the chances to reform, it would be better than Poland. Which is... way better than Romania, to be fair...

[Apror]

Think about it; Legionary Romania wouldn't have had to blow through all of that money fighting off the Soviets. Our oil and other resource supplies wouldn't have been drained by the Germans or the Soviets or used in the war effort. We would have been way better to rapidly expand our economy than the Ukrainians, and we got started many years earlier compared to Ukraine. If Germany never invaded in 1941, Romania would never send troops to contribute in the Battle of Stalingrad etc, heck, my economy would be jumping from as soon as WW2 ended, gonna fix that in my app.

Yeah she has a point. Plus since you have oil you can expect to enjoy A M E R I C A D O L L A R S.

Why you so thirsty for European monies, back off, he's of Latin blood.

[Rezina]

Well duh, 40+ years of Soviet oppression and the fact that they bombed Romania to shit, as well as the US. None of this happened, Romania was virtually untouched in accordance with the timeline. My economy is better than yours. Hell, even irl data from 1998 shows that the Romanian economy was still superior to the Ukrainian one. If Romania IC'ly started getting better before yours (which is did Irl too, and for the most part of the Cold War, generally was), we are better than yours full stop.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/romania/gdp

Starting year in those graphs is 2007

By the way, you wanna compare to destruction in Ukraine during WW2?

Currently, Ukraine has a weak economy because of, well, 20 years of lacked occasions.
If it had not missed the chances to reform, it would be better than Poland. Which is... way better than Romania, to be fair...

You literally just ignored my entire point. Romania was not touched, we had more of an economic basis to start expanding on rapidly than Ukraine did. We would have achieved more prosperity than Ukraine and at a faster rate. If Germany didnt invade the Soviets in 1941, our economy would have been better from the offset.

[Laeuwen]

Starting year in those graphs is 2007

By the way, you wanna compare to destruction in Ukraine during WW2?

Currently, Ukraine has a weak economy because of, well, 20 years of lacked occasions.
If it had not missed the chances to reform, it would be better than Poland. Which is... way better than Romania, to be fair...

You literally just ignored my entire point. Romania was not touched, we had more of an economic basis to start expanding on rapidly than Ukraine did. We would have achieved more prosperity than Ukraine and at a faster rate. If Germany didnt invade the Soviets in 1941, our economy would have been better from the offset.

This.

[Rezina]

Yeah she has a point. Plus since you have oil you can expect to enjoy A M E R I C A D O L L A R S.

Why you so thirsty for European monies, back off, he's of Latin blood.

*She.

[Laeuwen]

Yeah she has a point. Plus since you have oil you can expect to enjoy A M E R I C A D O L L A R S.

Why you so thirsty for European monies, back off, he's of Latin blood.

Oy vey, money AND OIL makes the world go around.
If you had some shares in the oil I would invest in, you would also be profiting lol.

[Apror]

Why you so thirsty for European monies, back off, he's of Latin blood.

*She.

Well.......

*takes Shotgun and blows brains out*

She's of Latin blood Damnit! Romania is of Italia Bloc!

Why you so thirsty for European monies, back off, he's of Latin blood.

Oy vey, money AND OIL makes the world go around.
If you had some shares in the oil I would invest in, you would also be profiting lol.

Americans and their oil.......PFFFFT!

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

could I reserve Brazil?

[Greater Slavic Union]

Starting year in those graphs is 2007

By the way, you wanna compare to destruction in Ukraine during WW2?

Currently, Ukraine has a weak economy because of, well, 20 years of lacked occasions.
If it had not missed the chances to reform, it would be better than Poland. Which is... way better than Romania, to be fair...

You literally just ignored my entire point. Romania was not touched, we had more of an economic basis to start expanding on rapidly than Ukraine did. We would have achieved more prosperity than Ukraine and at a faster rate. If Germany didnt invade the Soviets in 1941, our economy would have been better from the offset.

Ukraine literally has the most fertile soil in Europe, it's the largest country, if we do not count Russia, on the continent, has a larger population than Romania, and more gas, coal, steel. It is also full with rivers from which to get idroelectric energy.

And Ukraine did not get burnt down TWICE during WW2, in this timeline.

And as you can see: even after having been burnt down TWICE, Ukraine had a better economy than Romania up until 1998
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY. ... view=chart

So, given that yes, you were virtually untouched, but also given that we were as well, according to World Bank data how do you think Romania could do better?

[Rezina]

could I reserve Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Bolivia?

Only one nation at at time, Chile is taken, Argentina is half occupied by Chile.
And touching Chile wouldn't be a smart move.

[Apror]

could I reserve Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Bolivia?

(Fascist South American Empire be coming)

No, you can't. You can reserve one, and Chile is already taken.

[The Imperial Warglorian Empire]

could I reserve Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Bolivia?

Only one nation at at time, Chile is taken, Argentina is half occupied by Chile.
And touching Chile wouldn't be a smart move.

Ah, changing then, how about Brazil?

[Laeuwen]

You literally just ignored my entire point. Romania was not touched, we had more of an economic basis to start expanding on rapidly than Ukraine did. We would have achieved more prosperity than Ukraine and at a faster rate. If Germany didnt invade the Soviets in 1941, our economy would have been better from the offset.

Ukraine literally has the most fertile soil in Europe, it's the largest country, if we do not count Russia, on the continent, has a larger population than Romania, and more gas, coal, steel. It is also full with rivers from which to get idroelectric energy.

And Ukraine did not get burnt down TWICE during WW2, in this timeline.

And as you can see: even after having been burnt down TWICE, Ukraine had a better economy than Romania up until 1998
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY. ... view=chart

So, given that yes, you were virtually untouched, but also given that we were as well, according to World Bank data how do you think Romania could do better?

You're literally missing the point. From the Soviet Union occupied Ukraine, your economy would have been going to shambles, combined with the fact that Romania would had realistically had since the end of WW1 now to essentially build up their economic might to something that Ukraine could never catch up with. Stop drawing parallels to irl data that doesn't apply here. Ukraine had a better economy irl because it was at the hub of Soviet heavy industry and shipbuilding.

[Laeuwen]

Can we please have an OP or Co-OP ruling on this so that's the end of it?

[Rezina]

Ukraine literally has the most fertile soil in Europe, it's the largest country, if we do not count Russia, on the continent, has a larger population than Romania, and more gas, coal, steel. It is also full with rivers from which to get idroelectric energy.

And Ukraine did not get burnt down TWICE during WW2, in this timeline.

And as you can see: even after having been burnt down TWICE, Ukraine had a better economy than Romania up until 1998
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY. ... view=chart

So, given that yes, you were virtually untouched, but also given that we were as well, according to World Bank data how do you think Romania could do better?

You're literally missing the point. From the Soviet Union occupied Ukraine, your economy would have been going to shambles, combined with the fact that Romania would had realistically had since the end of WW1 now to essentially build up their economic might to something that Ukraine could never catch up with. Stop drawing parallels to irl data that doesn't apply here. Ukraine had a better economy irl because it was at the hub of Soviet heavy industry and shipbuilding.

Thank. You.

[Republic Of Varra]

What the heck is with all the young hot female leaders?

Look at this hot young female leader: