Washington 2016 Political RP [CLOSED] OOC Pt. VI

[Dentali]

I like Reed a little less now

[Chewion]

I like Reed a little less now

Why?

[Dentali]

I like Reed a little less now

Why?

Homophobia, I don't think businesses should be penalized for refusing service but I also think America has no right to treat gay couples any differently under the law. If he opposed the equality act from a rights perspective thatd be one thing, i get behind that but the "You don't love your husband as much as I love my wife" thought made me like him a little less.

[Dentali]

Kiser just did the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded room. "Urgent Matter of National Security" is not something you just throw around

[Prolieum]

Why?

Homophobia, I don't think businesses should be penalized for refusing service but I also think America has no right to treat gay couples any differently under the law. If he opposed the equality act from a rights perspective thatd be one thing, i get behind that but the "You don't love your husband as much as I love my wife" thought made me like him a little less.

That seems to be a rather confusing legal perspective there.

In any case, as noted, that was not the reason for his thoughts on that matter.

[Chewion]

Kiser just did the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded room. "Urgent Matter of National Security" is not something you just throw around

1 million people illegally crossing the border is a matter of national security.

[Prolieum]

Kiser just did the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded room. "Urgent Matter of National Security" is not something you just throw around

Not particularly. You could call it a "boy who cried wolf" situation, but it is moreso an exaggeration than an attempt to incite mass panic.

[Dentali]

Homophobia, I don't think businesses should be penalized for refusing service but I also think America has no right to treat gay couples any differently under the law. If he opposed the equality act from a rights perspective thatd be one thing, i get behind that but the "You don't love your husband as much as I love my wife" thought made me like him a little less.

That seems to be a rather confusing legal perspective there.

In any case, as noted, that was not the reason for his thoughts on that matter.

sorry im tired, it was really just the "You don't love your husband as much as I love my wife" thought that turned me off. Thats not a big thing I still like the guy, just a bit less

[Prolieum]

That seems to be a rather confusing legal perspective there.

In any case, as noted, that was not the reason for his thoughts on that matter.

sorry im tired, it was really just the "You don't love your husband as much as I love my wife" thought that turned me off. Thats not a big thing I still like the guy, just a bit less

I am not particularly vested into whether others like Reed. He is not a self-insert character, nor are we particularly aligned on every issue, including the one under discussion, I was simply noting that that comment was not primarily based off of Conti's homosexuality.

[Dentali]

Kiser just did the equivalent of yelling fire in a crowded room. "Urgent Matter of National Security" is not something you just throw around

Not particularly. You could call it a "boy who cried wolf" situation, but it is moreso an exaggeration than an attempt to incite mass panic.

Yea I suppose that's fair, i didn't want to use the "boy who cried wolf" because we haven't seen Kiser do this multiple times

And Chewie yes its important, yes its national security but it is not an emergency, its not an immediate situation, and its not something that needs to be handled without scheduling a meeting. Kiser is showing very little respect and regard for Reed and the office right now

[Dentali]

sorry im tired, it was really just the "You don't love your husband as much as I love my wife" thought that turned me off. Thats not a big thing I still like the guy, just a bit less

I am not particularly vested into whether others like Reed. He is not a self-insert character, nor are we particularly aligned on every issue, including the one under discussion, I was simply noting that that comment was not primarily based off of Conti's homosexuality.

I understand that, and i assumed that was the reason. apologies

[Chewion]

Not particularly. You could call it a "boy who cried wolf" situation, but it is moreso an exaggeration than an attempt to incite mass panic.

Yea I suppose that's fair, i didn't want to use the "boy who cried wolf" because we haven't seen Kiser do this multiple times

And Chewie yes its important, yes its national security but it is not an emergency, its not an immediate situation, and its not something that needs to be handled without scheduling a meeting. Kiser is showing very little respect and regard for Reed and the office right now

Kiser never called it an emergency. The assistant inferred that.

[Prolieum]

I am not particularly vested into whether others like Reed. He is not a self-insert character, nor are we particularly aligned on every issue, including the one under discussion, I was simply noting that that comment was not primarily based off of Conti's homosexuality.

I understand that, and i assumed that was the reason. apologies

He is still anti-homosexual, I should note, so your dislike likely still has some backing, simply not from that thought.

[Polvamaa]

Tag.

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Sippi is going to make Reed Persona Non Grata if he signs the Equality Act

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Fun fact: Mississippi actually hates gay marriage more than abortion

[Argentarino]

Sippi is going to make Reed Persona Non Grata if he signs the Equality Act

It has to pass Congress first, and if Conti chooses not to accept the "compromise" (because let's be honest, it puts most of the risk on Conti, not Reed), then Reed probably wouldn't sign it. Nonetheless, Conti will introduce it every year, much like the Democrats RL have done.


By the way, how will we RP Reed's Presidency? Will we RP through all four years? Up to 2018 for the midterms? Or would we skip ahead to 2020?

[Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi]

Sippi is going to make Reed Persona Non Grata if he signs the Equality Act

It has to pass Congress first, and if Conti chooses not to accept the "compromise" (because let's be honest, it puts most of the risk on Conti, not Reed), then Reed probably wouldn't sign it. Nonetheless, Conti will introduce it every year, much like the Democrats RL have done.


By the way, how will we RP Reed's Presidency? Will we RP through all four years? Up to 2018 for the midterms? Or would we skip ahead to 2020?

I would wait until 2022, that is the earliest year when the Democrats and progressives can form a collective majority in the HofR and Senate.

[Prolieum]

I suppose that the vote has been made, and having Yang formally close the questioning is largely dilatory, so we will move directly to the conviction vote.

[Argentarino]

It has to pass Congress first, and if Conti chooses not to accept the "compromise" (because let's be honest, it puts most of the risk on Conti, not Reed), then Reed probably wouldn't sign it. Nonetheless, Conti will introduce it every year, much like the Democrats RL have done.


By the way, how will we RP Reed's Presidency? Will we RP through all four years? Up to 2018 for the midterms? Or would we skip ahead to 2020?

I would wait until 2022, that is the earliest year when the Democrats and progressives can form a collective majority in the HofR and Senate.

There's no limit as to how many times a bill can be introduced, and putting it through Cingress on annual basis has a dual purpose. Yes, Conti knows that his bill won't get passed with a Republican majority. But it does two things: 1. It keeps the legislative fight alive; and 2. It acts as an annual measure of his colleagues' support for LGBT rights. For Republicans that picked up seats in competitive constituencies, it could play against them if they consistently vote on it. Even today, younger Republicans are more tolerant (I won't say "accepting" cause that simply isn't the case) than their older counterparts, and that could play against them in 2018 or 2020, especially if the Democrats focused on that. Or at least, that's my reasoning. I'm hardly a political strategist, so perhaps I am overplaying or even underplaying some aspects of this strategy.

[Prolieum]

I would wait until 2022, that is the earliest year when the Democrats and progressives can form a collective majority in the HofR and Senate.

There's no limit as to how many times a bill can be introduced, and putting it through Cingress on annual basis has a dual purpose. Yes, Conti knows that his bill won't get passed with a Republican majority. But it does two things: 1. It keeps the legislative fight alive; and 2. It acts as an annual measure of his colleagues' support for LGBT rights. For Republicans that picked up seats in competitive constituencies, it could play against them if they consistently vote on it. Even today, younger Republicans are more tolerant (I won't say "accepting" cause that simply isn't the case) than their older counterparts, and that could play against them in 2018 or 2020, especially if the Democrats focused on that. Or at least, that's my reasoning. I'm hardly a political strategist, so perhaps I am overplaying or even underplaying some aspects of this strategy.

It is not a particularly bad strategy, though rather more ineffective in a real-life scenario than here.

[Prolieum]

Given that voting on each article independently would take days, we are bundling them. Indicate your vote on each article, or you can simply note that you are voting "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" for all.

[Uttland]

Christ, Cuomo...

[Tallahassee News Station]

Gotta love how Johnson votes not guilty on a charge Winston pleaded guilty to

[Tallahassee News Station]

Interesting proposition by Reed. It definitely does put Conti at some risk, but I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. Conti's quite vulnerable in 2018, and its Maryland, where Reed is largely more popular than he is. Getting some free bipartisan publicity on introducing the thing isn't bad, and it is a proposition that most Democrats support-and linking himself loosely with Reed+working across the aisle isn't going to hurt his reelection bid.