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Camelone
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Postby Camelone » Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:23 pm

I did 1% of the population in the state I have control over with numbers from a 1930 census.
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Hastiaka
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Postby Hastiaka » Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:49 pm

Iengal wrote:
Hastiaka wrote:

Group name: Partido de la Unidad Nacional | abbreviated as the PUN (National Unity Party)

What kind of organization are you?: Partisan, Political Party | Nationalist, Conservative party that aims to unite South Mexico and repair and expand the damaged economy and to make Southern Mexico a functional, stable state with a capable moderate-sized military.
Who is in charge?: Maximiliano Realonda
Participating membership: 390
Current situation: The PUN controls Acapulco and the entire state of Gurrero. The PUN is currently using it's assets to expand beyond the state. The PUN is currently engaging in relief operations throughout the state and nearby areas.



Name: Maximiliano Realonda
Appearance:
Age: 30
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Mexican | Mestizo
Religion: Roman Catholicism
Occupation: Underground Journalist, Businessman and Former Plantation manager.
Bio: Maximiliano Realonda was born and raised in Acapulco to a financially wealthy family that owned several plantations prior to the war. He spent his education in an exclusive Catholic school. His family was very influential as his uncles were ranking officers of the Mexican military and had close ties with the now-fallen Mexican government. During the war, Maximiliano and his family hid in a basement-turned-underground shelter where they waited off the war. For months, they cut off all contact from the outside world. But one day, an American unit raided their house and discovered the secret door that led to the basement. They were caught and rounded up by the Americans. His father was identified as the brother of several high-ranking Mexican officers and was rounded up- he would never return.

Maximiliano and his mother were all that was left. He was already a learned man and was capable of finding a job. When the Castanzo regime came into power, Maximiliano became a plantation manager. For three years, he was managing a farm that powered an oppressive and backwards regime. It took him three years to realize that what he was doing was only helping the regime and oppresses the poor, financially deprived farmers. After three years of being a plantation manager he quit his job and found a new one by being a businessman. He sold shoes, glassware, garments and for a time he was homeless after mortgaging his family estate to the Castanzo regime. Eventually, Maximiliano's family friends helped him and his business soon prospered. The Realonda Products Corporation was born.

Despite being successful in his business career, he wanted to help those being oppressed by the Castanzo regime and give back to the poor. He started the underground newspaper the El Dilema Diario (The Daily Dilemma) and propagated anti-Castanzo editorials throughout the province of Guerrero. Maximiliano founded the Partido de la Unidad Nacional on the ideals of the previous Mexican government and to unite a seemingly divided nation. During the revolution, Maximiliano fought the Castanzo loyalists in Acapulco based in the province and gained control. After Castanzo's death, he began consolidating power in the state and began reconstruction efforts and relief operations.
Current location: Acapulco


I am hesitant to accept this - mainly because we already have a nationalist/fascist partisan group.


Changed it to a nationalist social democratic party (center-left Christianity) with some traditionalist views on certain issues that involves religion.

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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:08 pm

Kelmet wrote:
Iengal wrote:Sure, that would be fine

How high would be acceptable?


1500 would be pretty decent

My own PFF will only be 1100

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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:08 pm

Hastiaka wrote:
Iengal wrote:
I am hesitant to accept this - mainly because we already have a nationalist/fascist partisan group.


Changed it to a nationalist social democratic party (center-left Christianity) with some traditionalist views on certain issues that involves religion.


ACCEPTED

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Camelone
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Postby Camelone » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:19 pm

Iengal wrote:
Kelmet wrote:How high would be acceptable?


1500 would be pretty decent

My own PFF will only be 1100

So my method is a no go then?
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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:22 pm

Camelone wrote:
Iengal wrote:
1500 would be pretty decent

My own PFF will only be 1100

So my method is a no go then?


Well, how many men would your method entail?

Edit: wait, weren't you just a local leader? I can't imagine you had any kind of conscription, and without out an ideological slant I don't think you would have zealous recruits joining rank en masse.
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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:12 pm

if no one apps soon, I am starting IC

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Camelone
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Postby Camelone » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:14 pm

It's half of a percent of the population of the state my faction controls based on a 1930 census minus 3000 from the actual total. The recruitment was more people flocking to the banner, but know that most of these people are peasants with poor weapons compared to actual partisans and rebels. You don't need conscription when your organizing people to defend their homes. Protecting your home and family are greater motivators then ideology for many people.
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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 2:22 pm

Camelone wrote:It's half of a percent of the population of the state my faction controls based on a 1930 census minus 3000 from the actual total. The recruitment was more people flocking to the banner, but know that most of these people are peasants with poor weapons compared to actual partisans and rebels. You don't need conscription when your organizing people to defend their homes. Protecting your home and family are greater motivators then ideology for many people.


What banner? You don't have an ideology, nor are you rebelling against the state. You are just a guy with a bunch of other guys defending a little area because you know that you are all wanted by the government. It's not exactly something people are inspired to join - basically, why would they join what are essentially a bunch of survivors, when they could join a partisan group which seeks national change?

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Postby Camelone » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:22 pm

It's an armed reform movement, armed only for their protection but still armed. Where did you get the idea that they were survivors? I never gave any indication of that. It was a movement beforehand with ideals and it still has ideals it holds, the same ideals that are spreading rapidly as they try and bring order to their state. The movement still seeks national change but not through force of arms, they would rather try and reform the citizens as well as reform the nation. I never hid this and I've always maintained that they weren't just going to sit back as an organization. The Knights of St. Anthony of Padua are an organization and are not just survivors.
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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:32 pm

Camelone wrote:It's an armed reform movement, armed only for their protection but still armed. Where did you get the idea that they were survivors? I never gave any indication of that. It was a movement beforehand with ideals and it still has ideals it holds, the same ideals that are spreading rapidly as they try and bring order to their state. The movement still seeks national change but not through force of arms, they would rather try and reform the citizens as well as reform the nation. I never hid this and I've always maintained that they weren't just going to sit back as an organization. The Knights of St. Anthony of Padua are an organization and are not just survivors.


So wait, it is a partisan group? If they are vying for national revolution, and are armed, then they indeed are a partisan group. They may not want violence, but the fact that they are both armed and have fought government forces does mean that they are indeed a partisan group. In which case we revert back to you being excommunicated.

Either you are a group of survivors ( people who are just trying not to get killed by the government ) with survivial concerned over revolution - or you are partisans with national revolution in mind and you get excommunicated. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Camelone
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Postby Camelone » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:02 pm

It's not a fucking violent group! They will not seek out fighting but they are armed because they are not dense idiots. They are trying to change the country yes, do they want to do it violently no, do they understand that they need to defend themselves yes. No one in their right mind would excommunicate a practical man who wishes to change the country and also not have his followers massacred! He's not even ordained, he can get kicked out of his order which severs all his political ties with the Catholic Church but he wouldn't get excommunicated.
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Iengal
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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:06 pm

Camelone wrote:It's not a fucking violent group! They will not seek out fighting but they are armed because they are not dense idiots. They are trying to change the country yes, do they want to do it violently no, do they understand that they need to defend themselves yes. No one in their right mind would excommunicate a practical man who wishes to change the country and also not have his followers massacred! He's not even ordained, he can get kicked out of his order which severs all his political ties with the Catholic Church but he wouldn't get excommunicated.


They are armed and they have killed people, if that is not violent what do you consider violent?

Fine, whatever, but he will not be receiving any kind of blessing from the church.

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Puertollano
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Postby Puertollano » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:13 pm

Can we just start the IC now?
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Postby Camelone » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:15 pm

Almost every single one of those engagements have not been offensive besides supporting other Knights under attack or friendly areas that need assistance. They take control over areas after being asked to come and I wasn't even planning on having any blessings from the Church, I expected them to ignore my character. Thank you.
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Iengal
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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:16 pm

Puertollano wrote:Can we just start the IC now?


Give it like two more hours and yeah, we will begin.

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Iengal
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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:14 pm

IC incoming

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Kelmet
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Postby Kelmet » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:32 pm

I would like to put forward the idea of having an archive so the factions have a place to be further fleshed out as the game goes on.
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Iengal
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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:42 pm


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Postby Iengal » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:43 pm

Kelmet wrote:I would like to put forward the idea of having an archive so the factions have a place to be further fleshed out as the game goes on.


I love this idea, will do

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Kelmet
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Postby Kelmet » Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:45 pm

Iengal wrote:
Kelmet wrote:I would like to put forward the idea of having an archive so the factions have a place to be further fleshed out as the game goes on.


I love this idea, will do

And depending on how it goes, it would be ideal to have the political party positions on actions the government takes
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Iengal
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Postby Iengal » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:21 am

Invitacion is sent, come if you dare!

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Postby Iengal » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:38 am

Cuprum - buddy, pal, homedog, mi amigo, mi hermano.

Its only been a week since Castanzo's death - I really doubt that in that time you have declared independence, created a new constitution, new government, a cabinet, legal system, and created a new language system.

I said in the OP that I didn't wanna see a summary run down of what has happened, I wanted to see events unfold from character perspective. Lets start small and work our way up, huh? Perhaps your party just declares independence in it's first post? Hm? That would be possible in a week. As it stands, you did like a decades worth of work in two weeks ( unopposed ).
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Kelmet
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Postby Kelmet » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:57 am

Iengal wrote:Invitacion is sent, come if you dare!

I dare, hoping to win some goodwill to.
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Postby Iengal » Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:04 pm

Kelmet wrote:
Iengal wrote:Invitacion is sent, come if you dare!

I dare, hoping to win some goodwill to.


OOOOOhh, you will.

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