Lets Build a Country ( OOC, Alt-his, Open )

[Iengal]

It's more of a half-baked ideology combining spreading St. Augustine's Rule to the lay people and implementing Rerum Novarum with a strong Church and State tie, generally something the Catholic Church supported.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristeo_Pedroza
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Reyes_Vega
Neither of these priests were excommunicated. I will concede that the Order of St. Augustine may remove his membership in the order but the Church overall wouldn't pay him that much attention.

Both men were general's true, but neither was calling for ideological revolution.

[Iengal]

He also formed a partisan group and is calling for ideological revolution, something the church did not approve of.

He's a part of a Christian organisation fighting for protection of the faithful and more recognition of Christian teachings within the State. That is not an excommunicable offence.

He has also formed a militant partisan group which is calling for theocracy it is not a mtater of dogma, so much as reputation. The church would not want to be associated with rebels and revolution.

They are also not really rebels. Well, rebels against a secular regime which the Church would've considered to be illegitimate anyway. The Church doesn't go about excommunicating rebels like it's 1507.

Calling for Revolution in the name of the Catholic church most certainly is worthy of excommunication.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

He's a part of a Christian organisation fighting for protection of the faithful and more recognition of Christian teachings within the State. That is not an excommunicable offence.


They are also not really rebels. Well, rebels against a secular regime which the Church would've considered to be illegitimate anyway. The Church doesn't go about excommunicating rebels like it's 1507.

Calling for Revolution in the name of the Catholic church most certainly is worthy of excommunication.

Thing is, he doesn't call for revolution. He calls for reform. Like every catholic priest in every nation does. Do you have historical precedents where the Church excommunicated people because of internal politics? In the 20th century? That's not how the Catholic church does things.

[Camelone]

Oh an ideology where Christ is the center of all people's lives, that every human being is treated with human dignity very, and that no one attacks the Catholic Church... Yeah I'm not seeing that the Bishops or the Pope would excommunicate a man leading others in establishing a state that is a model of what the Catholic Church teaches. Plus if the Order of St. Augustine revoke his membership then he isn't clergy anymore, a friar isn't ordained they just take Vows, literally the only thing that separates the laity from friary so if the Order of St. Augustine Florent would technically not be a friar but he would still act like one because that's just who is as a person, a friar is attached to a Mendicant Order anyways.

EDIT: The only reason they are armed is because it would be suicidal not to be armed when you are surrounded by enemies, both government and anti-Catholic partisans. Maybe the real point of conflict here is using the term partisan. Though I do not know the term that should be used to describe them, like they want to expand their movement but preferably without having to fire a shot but prepared to do so if they are attacked.

[Iengal]

Oh an ideology where Christ is the center of all people's lives, that every human being is treated with human dignity very, and that no one attacks the Catholic Church... Yeah I'm not seeing that the Bishops or the Pope would excommunicate a man leading others in establishing a state that is a model of what the Catholic Church teaches. Plus if the Order of St. Augustine revoke his membership then he isn't clergy anymore, a friar isn't ordained they just take Vows, literally the only thing that separates the laity from friary so if the Order of St. Augustine Florent would technically not be a friar but he would still act like one because that's just who is as a person, a friar is attached to a Mendicant Order anyways.

EDIT: The only reason they are armed is because it would be suicidal not to be armed when you are surrounded by enemies, both government and anti-Catholic partisans. Maybe the real point of conflict here is using the term partisan. Though I do not know the term that should be used to describe them, like they want to expand their movement but preferably without having to fire a shot but prepared to do so if they are attacked.

Let me ask b you something, is he going to participate in the transition council?

[Camelone]

It's more of his thing of wanting to reform society separate from government so as long as the government meets his standards then he will be fine, he may give an idea in a public publication but other then that he wouldn't seek out power that way. The only way he would take power would be if he saw the Church in danger of being persecuted again and even then he would try and get out of power as fast as he could.

[Iengal]

It's more of his thing of wanting to reform society separate from government so as long as the government meets his standards then he will be fine, he may give an idea in a public publication but other then that he wouldn't seek out power that way. The only way he would take power would be if he saw the Church in danger of being persecuted again and even then he would try and get out of power as fast as he could.

Oh, so he's not really a partisan, so much as a local leader. That's fine. Just make him a bit older and we will be fine

[Camelone]

Yeah that fits way better thanks for that. 27?

[Iengal]

Yeah that fits way better thanks for that. 27?

Would prefer 30

[Iengal]

Name: Florent Nayal
Appearance: WIP
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Franco-Mayan
Religion: Roman Catholic
Occupation: Catholic friar of the Order of St. Augustine
Bio: Florent was born in Cancun, the only child, to a scholarly father proud of his Mayan descent and a French mother, his upbringing was one of ease as his father was a respected figure in academia, if not also controversial for his participation and founding of Mayan inspired occult groups. When young Florent was only baptized because his grandparents refused to let their grandson not be baptized and so his only familial exposure to Catholicism came from both his Mayan and French grandparents while both of his parents were heavily involved in the occult. With the onset of the Great War and subsequent installation of General Castanzo the life of Florent took a sharp turn towards the worse as his father was killed by authorities a mere six months after General Castanzo took power because of his outspoken critiques of the new government and his mother soon disappeared as well leaving Florent in the care of his grandparents of Mayan descent, both of who were poor farmers forced to work in the fields but they still tried to shield Florent from the worst of their situation, even though he was 17 at the time. Soon after both his grandfather and grandmother died from old age and exhaustion, mere weeks apart from each other, and Florent's grandmother gave him her rosary as a parting gift telling him to always pray for the world. After this his grandparents in France were able to find him and smuggle him out of the country and back to France where he lived with them for a year in their estate where he embraced the Catholic faith entirely and joined the Order of St. Augustine on his 19th birthday. Throughout his studies he traveled as a pilgrim starting with Rome and sailed to Jerusalem, where he became recognized as a mystic, until he was 22 when he returned back to Mexico with the permission of his superiors to minister to the suffering. Back in Mexico Florent was appalled that conditions seemed to have gotten even worse from when he last there, going to the Augustinian monastery of San Agustin of Yuiria to reestablish the prominence of the Augustinian Order he began organizing groups of people, farmers, clergy, factory workers, and even some policemen to resist the abuses of the government which earned him a jail sentence and was sentenced to be executed, the execution was supposed to take place next week but the uprising began, led by the group he formed, and they stormed the prison where Florent was held. Before the bloodshed could continue Brother Florent took control of the situation and halted the fighting, able to negotiate the surrender and fair treatment of his former captives. Soon after he led his group into battle, armed with only his rosary and a banner of the Holy Family and secured almost all of Guanajuato beginning to set up a Kingdom of God on Earth, one where Jesus Christ would be the center of all people's lives, where all are afforded the dignity of being brothers and sisters in Christ, where the state nor corporations would oppress the Holy Mother Church, and no people would find themselves destitute.
Current location: San Agustin of Yuriria, Guanajuato

Group name: Knights of St. Anthony of Padua
What kind of organization are you? ( business, partisan... ): Armed reform movement
Who is in charge?: Brother Florent Nayal
Participating membership ( be reasonable, subject to change pending OP ): 250
Current situation: Control most of the state Guanajuato

Accepted at 30

[Iengal]

bump

[Krumbia]

Going to drop in an app for a Communist leader tomorrow.

[Iengal]

So, if it's cold with yall, once ic starts I plan on being the one who invites the faction leaders to the meeting. That coolio

[Puertollano]

So, if it's cold with yall, once ic starts I plan on being the one who invites the faction leaders to the meeting. That coolio

I'm chill with that.

[Puertollano]

Also, should we put a limit on factions? Just so it doesn't become too crowded?

[Iengal]

Also, should we put a limit on factions? Just so it doesn't become too crowded?

Once we have one of everything, then I will start capping things.

[Iengal]

Since nobody asked, here is what a full fledged PFF fighter's uniform looks like:

A yellow beret with this symbol

it is a traditional Mayan sun , with a reversible poncho ( one side black, the other green ). Underneath this poncho can be worn anything, but in terms of ceremony a black or green military fatigues are used.

[Iengal]

Oh, questions

are there any about the current state of South Mexico? Or even the world?

[Kelmet]

Oh, questions

are there any about the current state of South Mexico? Or even the world?

I was working on the assumption that south mexico is very much like post war Germany (ww1)

[Iengal]

Oh, questions

are there any about the current state of South Mexico? Or even the world?

I was working on the assumption that south mexico is very much like post war Germany (ww1)

Correctomundo.

[Iengal]

Think of North Mexico as the slightly more successful of the Mexico's ( to put it IRL terms, they were South Korea in the 70's ). They are a bit more stable, mainly because their dictator wasn't a tyrant - just an uncharismatic jerk who doesn't rock the boat too much.

[Kelmet]

Think of North Mexico as the slightly more successful of the Mexico's ( to put it IRL terms, they were South Korea in the 70's ). They are a bit more stable, mainly because their dictator wasn't a tyrant - just an uncharismatic jerk who doesn't rock the boat too much.

What does the border between north and south mexico look like?

[Iengal]

Think of North Mexico as the slightly more successful of the Mexico's ( to put it IRL terms, they were South Korea in the 70's ). They are a bit more stable, mainly because their dictator wasn't a tyrant - just an uncharismatic jerk who doesn't rock the boat too much.

What does the border between north and south mexico look like?

Then again, up until a week ago both countries were American puppets so that could quickly change into what is depicted below if we are too belligerent.

[Kelmet]

Besides the partitioning of Mexico are there any other changes to the treaty of versailles?

And the year is 1926 so the great depression hasn't happened yet correct?

[Iengal]

Besides the partitioning of Mexico are there any other changes to the treaty of versailles?

And the year is 1926 so the great depression hasn't happened yet correct?

No and not yet