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Should we introduce more magic into the Imperial Army?

Yes make it quite common but not too strong on average.
18
23%
No, it doesn't make sense and would ruin immersion.
4
5%
Only very rarely, but have mages be more powerful.
37
48%
Have magic opponents, but not part of the Imperial Army.
11
14%
No for other reasons.
2
3%
Other (say your idea in the OOC)
5
6%
 
Total votes : 77

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Postby Nations United for Conquest » Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:40 pm

Wolfenium wrote:I think having magic should at least be more common than the source material, but restricted to non-humans and for the most part, upper class imperials. Magic classes would probably be too expensive for the peasantry to afford, unless a child prodigy is lucky enough to be picked up and sponsored by a noble or scholar (likely for adoption). Non-humans would have different criteria for who can become a mage or not, ranging from none (for elves or mage factions) to caste system (goblins in orc factions, perhaps) or even outright banned (this one, I don't know, but may form once they realize Terran science is more than a match).


I can get behind this as well. My main concern is giving the Imperials someway to roll over the UN. They shouldn't really have the ability to have people who can do this [Giant Orges aside], as it kind of removes a key element from the way the interactions between the UN and Empire are supposed to go. They're not supposed to have anything readly avaible that can easily and directly counter the UN. Not some light counter should exist
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Postby Wolfenium » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:33 pm

Nations United for Conquest wrote:
Wolfenium wrote:I think having magic should at least be more common than the source material, but restricted to non-humans and for the most part, upper class imperials. Magic classes would probably be too expensive for the peasantry to afford, unless a child prodigy is lucky enough to be picked up and sponsored by a noble or scholar (likely for adoption). Non-humans would have different criteria for who can become a mage or not, ranging from none (for elves or mage factions) to caste system (goblins in orc factions, perhaps) or even outright banned (this one, I don't know, but may form once they realize Terran science is more than a match).


I can get behind this as well. My main concern is giving the Imperials someway to roll over the UN. They shouldn't really have the ability to have people who can do this [Giant Orges aside], as it kind of removes a key element from the way the interactions between the UN and Empire are supposed to go. They're not supposed to have anything readly avaible that can easily and directly counter the UN. Not some light counter should exist


Well, by limiting magic to the aristocracy, the manpower pool in which to obtain mages would be severely restricted. Most mages would be aristocrats or from wealthy merchants, but not all aristocrats and merchants could become mages. Far from it. It's how I styled an alternate Earth's magical community (for another story, of course) prior to the modern era, where the rise of the middle class would make magical education more freely available. Only factions aligned with the UN would be influenced enough to adopt universal education, including magical education, but that's further down the line.
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Postby Nations United for Conquest » Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:44 pm

Wolfenium wrote:
Nations United for Conquest wrote:
I can get behind this as well. My main concern is giving the Imperials someway to roll over the UN. They shouldn't really have the ability to have people who can do this [Giant Orges aside], as it kind of removes a key element from the way the interactions between the UN and Empire are supposed to go. They're not supposed to have anything readly avaible that can easily and directly counter the UN. Not some light counter should exist


Well, by limiting magic to the aristocracy, the manpower pool in which to obtain mages would be severely restricted. Most mages would be aristocrats or from wealthy merchants, but not all aristocrats and merchants could become mages. Far from it. It's how I styled an alternate Earth's magical community (for another story, of course) prior to the modern era, where the rise of the middle class would make magical education more freely available. Only factions aligned with the UN would be influenced enough to adopt universal education, including magical education, but that's further down the line.


This is pretty reasonable. It makes sense due to the study time. And of course lesser people can get an education if they get an apprentince ship with a good magician of course, just to balance it out a little. This places more of an dependency on Non-Humans which will no doubt create some interesting tension between Imps and Non-Humans due to their positions in typical Imperial society. My main concern again is the over use of mages, even with weak magic. A few wind magician with decent power could easily fuck over a group of Air Cav. But that type of magic is again for non-humans. Still though, if decently proficent mages become extremely common it will get really tiring really fast
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Postby Wolfenium » Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:21 pm

Nations United for Conquest wrote:
Wolfenium wrote:
Well, by limiting magic to the aristocracy, the manpower pool in which to obtain mages would be severely restricted. Most mages would be aristocrats or from wealthy merchants, but not all aristocrats and merchants could become mages. Far from it. It's how I styled an alternate Earth's magical community (for another story, of course) prior to the modern era, where the rise of the middle class would make magical education more freely available. Only factions aligned with the UN would be influenced enough to adopt universal education, including magical education, but that's further down the line.


This is pretty reasonable. It makes sense due to the study time. And of course lesser people can get an education if they get an apprentince ship with a good magician of course, just to balance it out a little. This places more of an dependency on Non-Humans which will no doubt create some interesting tension between Imps and Non-Humans due to their positions in typical Imperial society. My main concern again is the over use of mages, even with weak magic. A few wind magician with decent power could easily fuck over a group of Air Cav. But that type of magic is again for non-humans. Still though, if decently proficent mages become extremely common it will get really tiring really fast


Sounds good.

Anyway, I finished my app. Made some changes to make things more understandable.

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Postby Kassaran » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:35 pm

Versus sniper!
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Postby Monfrox » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:43 pm

Kassaran wrote:Versus sniper!

No. Get out of here.
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Postby Kassaran » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:46 pm

Aww, but Mooooooon. Eh, doesn't matter anyways. This should get interesting at a later point in time. OGA vs CGA for one subplot.

CIA hostage recovery as a second.

German hostage recovery as yet another. They just keep going on and on.
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Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.

"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
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Postby Kassaran » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:48 pm

Other reasons for me include:

Powerful magic usually requires a user be made rather vulnerable. Given that they do appear, using these powerful magics might be recommended to come at a mobility penalty.
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Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.

"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:You keep that cheap Chinese knock-off away from the real OG...

bloody hell, mate.
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Postby Sindrya » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:58 pm

Wolfenium wrote:Non-humans would have different criteria for who can become a mage or not, ranging from caste (for elves or mage factions) to caste system (goblins in orc factions, perhaps) or even outright banned (this one, I don't know, but may form once they realize Terran science is more than a match).


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Postby Wolfenium » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:59 pm

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Wolfenium wrote:Non-humans would have different criteria for who can become a mage or not, ranging from caste (for elves or mage factions) to caste system (goblins in orc factions, perhaps) or even outright banned (this one, I don't know, but may form once they realize Terran science is more than a match).


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Postby Bentus » Sat Jun 03, 2017 3:04 am

Wolfenium wrote:WIP. I actually had this saved with Althea's app previously, but it poofed when I posted Althea's alone, but it gave me room to rethink the character.

Done. :3

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Looks good, accepted.

As for the magic, it looks like the poll is overwhelmingly in favour of bringing it up more in the RP - although it looks like we're pretty neck-and-neck on how common we want it to be. NUC's tier system looks pretty good as a general guideline, and I quite like Wolf's idea of limiting it mostly to the upperclasses, helps reinforce the caste divides present within the SR. I may bend the rule on having some more powerful magic users in the Imperial Army, but they'll be few and far between and will still likely not be able to put up much of a challenge to anything more than a squad or so.
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Postby Nations United for Conquest » Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:49 am

Kassaran wrote:Aww, but Mooooooon. Eh, doesn't matter anyways. This should get interesting at a later point in time. OGA vs CGA for one subplot.

CIA hostage recovery as a second.

German hostage recovery as yet another. They just keep going on and on.


Oh its going to be a great time when we run into the first Earth Hostages
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When we run into them, he's under orders to retrieve them. No methodology, no timeframe, simply recover them. It's a mission he's intending to carry out promptly.
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"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
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Postby Nations United for Conquest » Sat Jun 03, 2017 7:43 pm

Kassaran wrote:When we run into them, he's under orders to retrieve them. No methodology, no timeframe, simply recover them. It's a mission he's intending to carry out promptly.

Same with Fischer. Or anyone who's country lost people. I'm just saying its not gonna end well for the Imps when it happens
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Postby Monfrox » Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:49 pm

I'll make a post soon
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Nations United for Conquest wrote:
Kassaran wrote:When we run into them, he's under orders to retrieve them. No methodology, no timeframe, simply recover them. It's a mission he's intending to carry out promptly.

Same with Fischer. Or anyone who's country lost people. I'm just saying its not gonna end well for the Imps when it happens


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Monfrox wrote:I'll make a post soon

Cool. I'm expecting stabbings :p
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Postby Vahltunskhja » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:45 pm

I'm back again. Life's been busy, but I'm hoping to get back on board.

I'll read through what I've missed, but in the meantime is there anyone who wants to do some character interaction? That's my surefire way to get my hype back up for an RP after a period of downtime.

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'My character'?

You'll have to be more specific, who are you in the RP and how do you think you'd likely be interacting with on the trip?
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Zarkenis Ultima wrote:Tristan noticed footsteps behind him and looked there, only to see Eric approaching and then pointing his sword at the girl. He just blinked a few times at this before speaking.

"Put that down, Mr. Eric." He said. "She's obviously not a chicken."
The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
The United Remnants of America wrote:You keep that cheap Chinese knock-off away from the real OG...

bloody hell, mate.
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Postby Nations United for Conquest » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:26 pm

Kassaran wrote:'My character'?

You'll have to be more specific, who are you in the RP and how do you think you'd likely be interacting with on the trip?

They're Crossroads 2-3, our medic. She's in the same Iveco as you and Karev and anyone else on Crossroads 2. As far as I know the Dwarf and Giant are still following by foot, and Orisa is in the other Iveco. The FO is in the IFV because I haven't assigned him to a fire team yet. He'll probably end up on 2 to balance it out though




I'm pretty intrigued with the happenings going on with the Imps
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Postby Bentus » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:45 pm

Vahltunskhja wrote:I'm back again. Life's been busy, but I'm hoping to get back on board.

I'll read through what I've missed, but in the meantime is there anyone who wants to do some character interaction? That's my surefire way to get my hype back up for an RP after a period of downtime.


G'day Vahl, good to see you again!

Sorry for being lacklustre on posting myself all, hopefully I'll have some time next week (as long as a final project doesn't implode on me at the last minute) before finals kick in. I'll try at the very least to get a post for the Imp characters up so I stop holding you up.
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Postby Nations United for Conquest » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:47 pm

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Vahltunskhja wrote:I'm back again. Life's been busy, but I'm hoping to get back on board.

I'll read through what I've missed, but in the meantime is there anyone who wants to do some character interaction? That's my surefire way to get my hype back up for an RP after a period of downtime.


G'day Vahl, good to see you again!

Sorry for being lacklustre on posting myself all, hopefully I'll have some time next week (as long as a final project doesn't implode on me at the last minute) before finals kick in. I'll try at the very least to get a post for the Imp characters up so I stop holding you up.


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I'm also Crossroads 1-3, Sergeant Arsenault
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Vahltunskhja wrote:I'm also Crossroads 1-3, Sergeant Arsenault

Well, Crossroads one is not the best place to look for conversation...
Fischer is busy planning/writing, Dima is driving, Riku is dealing with the hell of the last battle, and Orisa is having an episode of PTSD
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Postby Vahltunskhja » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:14 pm

Nations United for Conquest wrote:Fischer is busy planning/writing, Dima is driving, Riku is dealing with the hell of the last battle, and Orisa is having an episode of PTSD

Arsenault went through therapy for PTSD after serving in the Balkans, so he could potentially provide someone to talk to.

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