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Postby Prolieum » Tue May 02, 2017 1:36 pm

Opposing a bill with such heavy concessions is not a particularly wise strategy for the Democratic party.

As Chewion noted, the bill has been negotiated-on backstage by party leadership. A budget fight benefits no-one, and the Democrats least, thus the bipartisan nature of the bill, and the concessions given by the Republican majority.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue May 02, 2017 1:38 pm

Prolieum wrote:Opposing a bill with such heavy concessions is not a particularly wise strategy for the Democratic party.

As Chewion noted, the bill has been negotiated-on backstage by party leadership. A budget fight benefits no-one, and the Democrats least, thus the bipartisan nature of the bill, and the concessions given by the Republican majority.

Nah... pulling a Mitch McConnell.

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Postby Prolieum » Tue May 02, 2017 1:40 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Prolieum wrote:Opposing a bill with such heavy concessions is not a particularly wise strategy for the Democratic party.

As Chewion noted, the bill has been negotiated-on backstage by party leadership. A budget fight benefits no-one, and the Democrats least, thus the bipartisan nature of the bill, and the concessions given by the Republican majority.

Nah... pulling a Mitch McConnell.


Is De Nieto not particularly focused on infrastructure?
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Tue May 02, 2017 1:40 pm

There it is, Spicy's reaction.

*Eats popcorn and reads her response*
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue May 02, 2017 1:41 pm

Prolieum wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Nah... pulling a Mitch McConnell.


Is De Nieto not particularly focused on infrastructure?

No he is going to angle for the VA, and Social Security agencies to be exempt from the cuts.

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue May 02, 2017 1:42 pm

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Prolieum wrote:
Is De Nieto not particularly focused on infrastructure?

No he is going to angle for the VA, and Social Security agencies to be exempt from the cuts.

And education as well.

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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Tue May 02, 2017 1:44 pm

Prolieum wrote:Opposing a bill with such heavy concessions is not a particularly wise strategy for the Democratic party.

As Chewion noted, the bill has been negotiated-on backstage by party leadership. A budget fight benefits no-one, and the Democrats least, thus the bipartisan nature of the bill, and the concessions given by the Republican majority.


I think it may be helpful if party leadership came forward to express support for the bill, otherwise it's bound to fail due to partisan bickering.

On that note, I'm presuming this is the bill that Eberhardt spoke to Carrollton about awhile back? Obviously she's a bit incapacitated, but she'll perhaps be willing to do something about the bill when she recovers.
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Postby Prolieum » Tue May 02, 2017 1:44 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Prolieum wrote:
Is De Nieto not particularly focused on infrastructure?

No he is going to angle for the VA, and Social Security agencies to be exempt from the cuts.


Such would destroy the deal. The Republican majority would exempt its own programs, and not the Democratic ones.

The purpose of a nondiscriminatory cut is to be nondiscriminatory.
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Postby Prolieum » Tue May 02, 2017 1:46 pm

Imperial Esplanade wrote:
Prolieum wrote:Opposing a bill with such heavy concessions is not a particularly wise strategy for the Democratic party.

As Chewion noted, the bill has been negotiated-on backstage by party leadership. A budget fight benefits no-one, and the Democrats least, thus the bipartisan nature of the bill, and the concessions given by the Republican majority.


I think it may be helpful if party leadership came forward to express support for the bill, otherwise it's bound to fail due to partisan bickering.

On that note, I'm presuming this is the bill that Eberhardt spoke to Carrollton about awhile back? Obviously she's a bit incapacitated, but she'll perhaps be willing to do something about the bill when she recovers.


The difficulty being that said leadership is mostly only present in player form in the Senate, given our extreme lack of Representatives.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue May 02, 2017 1:48 pm

Prolieum wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:No he is going to angle for the VA, and Social Security agencies to be exempt from the cuts.


Such would destroy the deal. The Republican majority would exempt its own programs, and not the Democratic ones.

The purpose of a nondiscriminatory cut is to be nondiscriminatory.

Saving the VA, education, and social security is likely to be highly popular, not even most Republicans want to cut education nor SS.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145790/ameri ... fense.aspx

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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Tue May 02, 2017 1:49 pm

Prolieum wrote:
Imperial Esplanade wrote:
I think it may be helpful if party leadership came forward to express support for the bill, otherwise it's bound to fail due to partisan bickering.

On that note, I'm presuming this is the bill that Eberhardt spoke to Carrollton about awhile back? Obviously she's a bit incapacitated, but she'll perhaps be willing to do something about the bill when she recovers.


The difficulty being that said leadership is mostly only present in player form in the Senate, given our extreme lack of Representatives.


I presume as much, but such an endorsement would carry some degree of worth with her house-colleagues. While it may not be much, it'll at least be something.
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Tue May 02, 2017 1:50 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Prolieum wrote:
Such would destroy the deal. The Republican majority would exempt its own programs, and not the Democratic ones.

The purpose of a nondiscriminatory cut is to be nondiscriminatory.

Saving the VA, education, and social security is likely to be highly popular, not even most Republicans want to cut education nor SS.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145790/ameri ... fense.aspx


Right, but you'd have to convince the House as opposed to the people. Besides, who is to say that they're not going to make a counter-offer that seems unacceptable to your character? Thus the start of the bill's death.
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue May 02, 2017 1:52 pm

Imperial Esplanade wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Saving the VA, education, and social security is likely to be highly popular, not even most Republicans want to cut education nor SS.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145790/ameri ... fense.aspx


Right, but you'd have to convince the House as opposed to the people. Besides, who is to say that they're not going to make a counter-offer that seems unacceptable to your character? Thus the start of the bill's death.

Oh, De Nieto is just going to amend the bill by just removing those three from the discretionary spending.

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Postby Uttland » Tue May 02, 2017 1:52 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Uttland wrote:I swear to God, if he becomes Minority leader...

I might just have to see if I have any characters to run against him.

De Nieto would be a far more effective Minority Leader, mainly because he can serve as a bridge between the Progressives and Democrats.

Indeed.
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Postby Prolieum » Tue May 02, 2017 1:53 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Imperial Esplanade wrote:
Right, but you'd have to convince the House as opposed to the people. Besides, who is to say that they're not going to make a counter-offer that seems unacceptable to your character? Thus the start of the bill's death.

Oh, De Nieto is just going to amend the bill by just removing those three from the discretionary spending.


To which the Republicans can respond by stripping out funding for the various liberal programs that they dislike.

To a career politician such as De Nieto, and particularly one in support of infrastructure, the consequences of his actions ought to be quite clear.
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Postby Uttland » Tue May 02, 2017 1:53 pm

I either want to create a Dem Rep. or Dem Sen. Which?
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Tue May 02, 2017 1:54 pm

Uttland wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:De Nieto would be a far more effective Minority Leader, mainly because he can serve as a bridge between the Progressives and Democrats.

Indeed.

Also would Torres help De Nieto by amending the US budget act by removing the VA, Education, and Social Security from the cuts?

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Postby Meelducan » Tue May 02, 2017 1:54 pm

Uttland wrote:I either want to create a Dem Rep. or Dem Sen. Which?

Rep.
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Tue May 02, 2017 1:55 pm

Uttland wrote:I either want to create a Dem Rep. or Dem Sen. Which?


The Senate is diluted with a lot of characters, the House is far more empty and quite in need of player-controlled characters.
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Whats the count of republicans v democrats in congress?
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Dentali wrote:Whats the count of republicans v democrats in congress?


Before or after inauguration?
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Tallahassee News Station wrote:I still want my hecking Representative!

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Postby Uttland » Tue May 02, 2017 1:58 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Uttland wrote:Indeed.

Also would Torres help De Nieto by amending the US budget act by removing the VA, Education, and Social Security from the cuts?

What do I say?
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