The Ancient Ones: Age of Nothingness(Multiverse Xover)OOC-2

[Petrokovia]

But that just means he dies as soon as he enters the room

Ty has small country level AP

Yes, when he's in his mega evolution. He's in his base, which is Island Level.

I've outlined this before, but Ty's AP/Dura only extends to other Pokemon, people, animals, or most other characters. So, if a person capable of leveling a mountain punched him, he'd survive, but you could still kill Ty by running him over with your car, because your car doesn't have life energy.

Due to Verse equalization, Eridan's Hope Powers would fall under Ty's Dura, but I don't think Ahab's Crosshairs, which is basically just a laser gun, would.

Eridan couldn't kill Ty, but his gun could.

That's the difference between the Pokemon being at that level of power and how you are trying to set Eridan up. How the Pokemon are set up, a normal human could still find some ways of killing a Pokemon without needing to gain huge amounts of power or anything that's beyond the reach of a normal person in the multiverse. In this kind of setting, a laser gun (like in Star Wars) would be fairly common, and would get the job done (Ty may be able to dodge lightning, but he can't dodge light). How you're setting up Eridan is a different case entirely.

Besides, one has to remember that the AP/DC listing is for maximum possible output from a character, which is rare in a fight (you generally wouldn't get the chance to strike someone with your most powerful kick, for example), and is even rarer for Pokemon, whose moves themselves have varying power levels.

So, like, Ty's base is Island Level AP, but this would need to be from, like, Eruption (at full health), Flare Blitz, etc. A thunder punch isn't going to be at Island Level.

If you said Eridan survived Ty's Fire Blast, I'd say that would be wanking. However, surviving a thunder punch (a moderately-powered non-STAB physical move) from Ty isn't unthinkable. Eridan would definitely be really hurt from it, but he'd be conscious.

No it isn't, Attack Potency is about how powerful their attacks are compared to the enemy's durability. IE: City Block level AP would mean one can damage a character with durability up to city block. It has nothing to do with the character's own durability.

Petro said that we could just count it as their Durability as well. Unless that isn't what he meant, that's what I'm doing with it, otherwise I'd have to edit the app, which would require everybody to re-app to place that in there.

If their Destructive Capacity, their ability to actually cause environmental damage, is at a certain level, their Durability has to be at that level, or they'd vaporize themselves going all out. Not the same with AP, with is just what level of an enemy's durability you can harm.

You can have Mountain level AP and only Town Level Dura, but you can't have Mountain level DC and Town level Dura.

[Legokiller]

My main problem with Eridan battle is not the whole power level itself, but how the whole Hope Power turned into a get out of trouble free card and can do whatever it wants now. There is no in universe explanation of how Eridan's hope can do these feats, and honest the player doesn't want to accept the consequences of losing. For that, I don't want anything to do with the whole arc about Eridan in the Traveler.

[The Dark Brotherhood of Deros]

If their Destructive Capacity, their ability to actually cause environmental damage, is at a certain level, their Durability has to be at that level, or they'd vaporize themselves going all out. Not the same with AP, with is just what level of an enemy's durability you can harm.

You can have Mountain level AP and only Town Level Dura, but you can't have Mountain level DC and Town level Dura.

Ohhh. Okay, I understand now. That makes perfect sense.

[Petrokovia]

If their Destructive Capacity, their ability to actually cause environmental damage, is at a certain level, their Durability has to be at that level, or they'd vaporize themselves going all out. Not the same with AP, with is just what level of an enemy's durability you can harm.

You can have Mountain level AP and only Town Level Dura, but you can't have Mountain level DC and Town level Dura.

Ohhh. Okay, I understand now. That makes perfect sense.

This is all assuming the attack is coming from the person. Weaponry can be entirely independent in either case.

[Truth Incarnate]

My main problem with Eridan battle is not the whole power level itself, but how the whole Hope Power turned into a get out of trouble free card and can do whatever it wants now. There is no in universe explanation of how Eridan's hope can do these feats, and honest the player doesn't want to accept the consequences of losing. For that, I don't want anything to do with the whole arc about Eridan in the Traveler.

Eridan is a telekinetic. There is the in universe explanation of being able to shoot first. That's what he did, and I still don't understand why you're pursuing this frankly really confusing argument of "he can't do it because he can't", essentially.

And Petro, Eridan's DC is large building level at most. And DC doesn't necessarily require the same durability. A person can shoot a rocket and destroy a tank without being as durable as the tank itself.

And, can we just...

The entire point of this application, this debate and every other action I took was to have Ty not immediately cripple, smash-in-the-face-of or otherwise kill Eridan as soon as he entered the room, because at island level, he could easily solo-murder Eridan right here, right now, especially with his team of super powerful Pokemon. My original intention was just to hand-wave the ability to block the attack, but this whole debacle with "he couldn't have done that he'd have lost his arm" and "he can't do that because Hope doesn't work that way" is just...

Ridiculously confusing.

Can we just drop the conversation altogether, and just let Eridan catch the hit (like he already did), or something?

Literally the only thing I want is for him to not get immediately pulverised as soon as he enters the room.

[Wheatley Laboratories]

What happened to Seething Tides?

Waiting for Pak.

Who? If you mean Pax, I already posted.

[Wheatley Laboratories]

My main problem with Eridan battle is not the whole power level itself, but how the whole Hope Power turned into a get out of trouble free card and can do whatever it wants now. There is no in universe explanation of how Eridan's hope can do these feats, and honest the player doesn't want to accept the consequences of losing. For that, I don't want anything to do with the whole arc about Eridan in the Traveler.

Eridan is a telekinetic. There is the in universe explanation of being able to shoot first. That's what he did, and I still don't understand why you're pursuing this frankly really confusing argument of "he can't do it because he can't", essentially.

And Petro, Eridan's DC is large building level at most. And DC doesn't necessarily require the same durability. A person can shoot a rocket and destroy a tank without being as durable as the tank itself.

And, can we just...

The entire point of this application, this debate and every other action I took was to have Ty not immediately cripple, smash-in-the-face-of or otherwise kill Eridan as soon as he entered the room, because at island level, he could easily solo-murder Eridan right here, right now, especially with his team of super powerful Pokemon. My original intention was just to hand-wave the ability to block the attack, but this whole debacle with "he couldn't have done that he'd have lost his arm" and "he can't do that because Hope doesn't work that way" is just...

Ridiculously confusing.

Can we just drop the conversation altogether, and just let Eridan catch the hit (like he already did), or something?

Literally the only thing I want is for him to not get immediately pulverised as soon as he enters the room.

This is why I hate pokemon.

[Petrokovia]

And Petro, Eridan's DC is large building level at most. And DC doesn't necessarily require the same durability. A person can shoot a rocket and destroy a tank without being as durable as the tank itself.

If someone fires a rocket, that's a weapon. They themselves are not punching the tank, so it wouldn't translate to their Destructive Capacity as a character. It's the kind of thing you'd make a note about, i.e., "Destructive Capacity: Athletic Human Level; Small Building Level with RPG"

(Though an RPG isn't Small Building Level, and doesn't outright vaporize a tank, but that's just semantics.)

[Truth Incarnate]

And Petro, Eridan's DC is large building level at most. And DC doesn't necessarily require the same durability. A person can shoot a rocket and destroy a tank without being as durable as the tank itself.

If someone fires a rocket, that's a weapon. They themselves are not punching the tank, so it wouldn't translate to their Destructive Capacity as a character. It's the kind of thing you'd make a note about, i.e., "Destructive Capacity: Athletic Human Level; Small Building Level with RPG"

(Though an RPG isn't Small Building Level, and doesn't outright vaporize a tank, but that's just semantics.)

That's my point. He's firing Ahab's Crosshairs, and firing Hope beams. Doesn't mean he necessarily is as durable as his attack.

And read the other words.

[The Intergalactic Russian Empire]

Waiting for Pak.

Who? If you mean Pax, I already posted.

No, he's talking about Paketo

[Naval Monte]

For the record, AP is about what the character's Durability is. Besides, that'd just hurt him, not outright kill him.


Like I said, that wouldn't necessarily kill him outright.

Eridan's Durability is far lower than his AP, in that case - thus making him as durable as the force he can emit using his Hope based abilities - making him, at most, city level durability.

Ty is, at base, island level. Thunderpunch would be several magnitudes of energy higher than the equivalent needed to instantly kill him.

A list of characters in the room:

Kadoor - wall to tree level
Elizabeth - street level or higher
Aicy - Unknown (couldn't find it), presumably large building level or higher
Clairus - City to City Block level
Calyx (I think) - Island level. Country level if he can puncture his opponent
Ty - Small country Level

Elizabeth depends on which form she is in but right now she isn't in dark magical goddess who wears a humiliating attire form so she is in street level.

[Osnil Returns]

I'll get off a post for the Traveler and Hyrule this weekend sometime. I'm a little busy getting back into the swing of school

[Skylus]

I'll get off a post for the Traveler and Hyrule this weekend sometime. I'm a little busy getting back into the swing of school

Cool.

[Naval Monte]

Just a reminder to all that high level powers are not bad nor low powers are good, both share equal postives and negatives. What can be bad is how those powers are user, or should I use abused.

[Mundeo]

And I think Ty is being extremely overexaggerated here, especially considering he's the root of this whole mess. If country level+ is actually what you have his power as, Petro, I'm going to ask you to lower that significantly. A pokémon having that level of power is absolutely absurd, even if VSBattle wiki wants to say otherwise. Same goes for all of your pokémon.

[Slenderman The CreepyPasta King]

And I think Ty is being extremely overexaggerated here, especially considering he's the root of this whole mess. If country level+ is actually what you have his power as, Petro, I'm going to ask you to lower that significantly. A pokémon having that level of power is absolutely absurd, even if VSBattle wiki wants to say otherwise. Same goes for all of your pokémon.

I may not be the OP or a co-op but I agree, the ONLY type of pokemon that should have that kind of power are legendaries. And even then only the big ones like Lugia, Ho-Oh, the horn legendaries, the sinnoh legendaries, and so on

[Wheatley Laboratories]

And I think Ty is being extremely overexaggerated here, especially considering he's the root of this whole mess. If country level+ is actually what you have his power as, Petro, I'm going to ask you to lower that significantly. A pokémon having that level of power is absolutely absurd, even if VSBattle wiki wants to say otherwise. Same goes for all of your pokémon.

I may not be the OP or a co-op but I agree, the ONLY type of pokemon that should have that kind of power are legendaries. And even then only the big ones like Lugia, Ho-Oh, the horn legendaries, the sinnoh legendaries, and so on

I agree with Slender if anyone cares about my opinion for once.

[The Dark Brotherhood of Deros]

And I think Ty is being extremely overexaggerated here, especially considering he's the root of this whole mess. If country level+ is actually what you have his power as, Petro, I'm going to ask you to lower that significantly. A pokémon having that level of power is absolutely absurd, even if VSBattle wiki wants to say otherwise. Same goes for all of your pokémon.

I've never been fully on board with Pokemon have such ridiculous AP, because it really doesn't seem realistic for some of them (coughDELIBIRDcough).

[Petrokovia]

And I think Ty is being extremely overexaggerated here, especially considering he's the root of this whole mess. If country level+ is actually what you have his power as, Petro, I'm going to ask you to lower that significantly. A pokémon having that level of power is absolutely absurd, even if VSBattle wiki wants to say otherwise. Same goes for all of your pokémon.

The mega evolutions have that level of power. Mega evolutions of normal Pokemon have consistently been shown going toe-to-toe with lower-power legendaries (such as the legendary birds & beasts), which are at that level.

And I think Ty is being extremely overexaggerated here, especially considering he's the root of this whole mess. If country level+ is actually what you have his power as, Petro, I'm going to ask you to lower that significantly. A pokémon having that level of power is absolutely absurd, even if VSBattle wiki wants to say otherwise. Same goes for all of your pokémon.

I may not be the OP or a co-op but I agree, the ONLY type of pokemon that should have that kind of power are legendaries. And even then only the big ones like Lugia, Ho-Oh, the horn legendaries, the sinnoh legendaries, and so on

What? Dude, most of the legendaries are like, Continent or Multi-continent level. Dialga/Palkia are Universe level.

And I think Ty is being extremely overexaggerated here, especially considering he's the root of this whole mess. If country level+ is actually what you have his power as, Petro, I'm going to ask you to lower that significantly. A pokémon having that level of power is absolutely absurd, even if VSBattle wiki wants to say otherwise. Same goes for all of your pokémon.

I've never been fully on board with Pokemon have such ridiculous AP, because it really doesn't seem realistic for some of them (coughDELIBIRDcough).

That's a proper calc from a feat, though, and not just speculation.

[The Dark Brotherhood of Deros]

I've never been fully on board with Pokemon have such ridiculous AP, because it really doesn't seem realistic for some of them (coughDELIBIRDcough).

That's a proper calc from a feat, though, and not just speculation.

It's still unrealistic. Delibird, one of the weakest of the weak, unleashing that kind of power? Come on now...

[Petrokovia]

That's a proper calc from a feat, though, and not just speculation.

It's still unrealistic. Delibird, one of the weakest of the weak, unleashing that kind of power? Come on now...

The point of Pokemon as a series is that the stronger the bond with the trainer, the stronger the Pokemon becomes. As well, Pokemon get stronger over time. Some species, such as Delibird, would be naturally weaker, but given enough time and training, there isn't a real limit to what it could do, AP-wise.

Ash's Pikachu has many similarities, taking on Pokemon such as Metagross, Tyranitar, etc. Ash's Charizard constantly 1-v-1'd the legendary birds, and went up against Entei (who at the time had his power boosted by several Unown). Sir Aaron's Lucario 3-v-1'd the Regi Trio, who are all Continent Level.

Point is, Delibird clearly did an Island Level feat, that can't be disputed no matter how you look at the math. Since this is Delibird, this would be the minimum for Elite Four/Champion Level Pokemon

[The Dark Brotherhood of Deros]

It's still unrealistic. Delibird, one of the weakest of the weak, unleashing that kind of power? Come on now...

The point of Pokemon as a series is that the stronger the bond with the trainer, the stronger the Pokemon becomes. As well, Pokemon get stronger over time. Some species, such as Delibird, would be naturally weaker, but given enough time and training, there isn't a real limit to what it could do, AP-wise.

Ash's Pikachu has many similarities, taking on Pokemon such as Metagross, Tyranitar, etc. Ash's Charizard constantly 1-v-1'd the legendary birds, and went up against Entei (who at the time had his power boosted by several Unown). Sir Aaron's Lucario 3-v-1'd the Regi Trio, who are all Continent Level.

Point is, Delibird clearly did an Island Level feat, that can't be disputed no matter how you look at the math. Since this is Delibird, this would be the minimum for Elite Four/Champion Level Pokemon

That only applies if you're talking about the anime. If you're talking about in-game Pokemon, a Delibird would never be that powerful, because it's stats are pure garbage.

[The New Earth Federation]

Note, I already applied for this character just changing the spieces of her as I did some looking back at my lore for my species and figured that she fit more with another species then what she was originally applied as. Also a bit more defining of one of her powers.

Name: Victoria Terlin

Ancient One Half blood?: No

Species: Fenvaria

Age: 24

Appearance: Without armor
Here with armor
More information about NEF Armor is found in my Army factbook.

Gender: Female

Powers/abilities:
-Active
--Cluster Grenades: Modified Grenades that explode into smaller grenades (limited by number of grenades
--Lockout: Victoria has the ability to lock up her armor and greatly overcharge her shields making her immune to damage for about 10 seconds, the major drawback is that he is stuck in place until it runs out and is limited to one use.
--Hypershield: Having the Mk VI armor is a great thing however, Victoria's custom set of combat armor allows her to temporarily overcharge her personal shielding to absorb more damage for a short time. However the main drawback is that her mobility is reduced and after the shields break she is left temporarily without any shields. She will only use this on dire situations or when under extreme fire.

-Passive
--Veteran CQC Specialist: Getting up close and personal is interesting as it makes fighting both deadly and complex, however with Victoria's unique combat experience and flexibility she has became something to fear in close quarters. Victoria's weapons will become more accurate and deadly when in CQC.

Weaknesses: Bullets, poison, disease, etc.

Destructive Capacity: Super soldier/above super soldier

Equipment:
-M22 Bulletstorm SMG
-M30 Hellhound Shotgun
-x2 Cluster Grenades
-Combat Knife
-Radio/GPS
-Camping Equipment (Tent, sleeping bag, mess kit)
-4 weeks of MREs
-x2 Canteens

Universe of Origin: Custom

Affiliation: Neutral/Good

[Petrokovia]

The point of Pokemon as a series is that the stronger the bond with the trainer, the stronger the Pokemon becomes. As well, Pokemon get stronger over time. Some species, such as Delibird, would be naturally weaker, but given enough time and training, there isn't a real limit to what it could do, AP-wise.

Ash's Pikachu has many similarities, taking on Pokemon such as Metagross, Tyranitar, etc. Ash's Charizard constantly 1-v-1'd the legendary birds, and went up against Entei (who at the time had his power boosted by several Unown). Sir Aaron's Lucario 3-v-1'd the Regi Trio, who are all Continent Level.

Point is, Delibird clearly did an Island Level feat, that can't be disputed no matter how you look at the math. Since this is Delibird, this would be the minimum for Elite Four/Champion Level Pokemon

That only applies if you're talking about the anime. If you're talking about in-game Pokemon, a Delibird would never be that powerful.

You realize Gold's Verse isn't based solely on game mechanics, right? Game mechanics were designed to keep competitive gameplay balanced; You can't catch Arceus in real life, but you can in the games.

I've repeatedly said that Gold's Verse is the game's timeline, but with many aspects of the anime and manga. Hell, one of the characters in his Verse is the Mask of Ice, who's a manga-exclusive character (and the owner of said Delibird that performed the feat).

[The Dark Brotherhood of Deros]

That only applies if you're talking about the anime. If you're talking about in-game Pokemon, a Delibird would never be that powerful.

You realize Gold's Verse isn't based solely on game mechanics, right? Game mechanics were designed to keep competitive gameplay balanced; You can't catch Arceus in real life, but you can in the games.

I've repeatedly said that Gold's Verse is the game's timeline, but with many aspects of the anime and manga. Hell, one of the characters in his Verse is the Mask of Ice, who's a manga-exclusive character (and the owner of said Delibird that performed the feat).

Fair enough then. I still find the idea of a Delibird of all things leveling an island-level character ridiculous, but I really can't argue my point without just being petty.

His characters will remain how they are Mund, and that's that.