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[Apror]

Posted in the IC. Didn't post a very ornate post like I had hoped, but posted nonetheless.

That's good. I would, but I need to know the details, what land is occupied, and the state of the War against the British before I can kick ass!

When I say Technologically better, sure there your point, but our weapons are better.

I will refute that claim. You do not have guns yet. You have gunpowder but you have yet to invent guns. The East Asians have invented explosives, fireworks, hell even flame throwers by this point. Europe is still behind in gunpowder technologies.

We have Handcannons and Cannons, and Technology is being heavily into as after the beginning of the war, gunpowder weapons are a viable way to get raise armies quickly. Actually, never mind. Not many ships had cannons during this time period regardless. Carry on. Though expect our boars to have guns eventually. That also didn't stop the Mongols from all the shit they did either. Whatever, I need to finish this damn war, and see how vialble the French Army sporting Musketeers is.

[Republic Of Varra]

Posted in the IC. Didn't post a very ornate post like I had hoped, but posted nonetheless.

That's good. I would, but I need to know the details, what land is occupied, and the state of the War against the British before I can kick ass!

I will refute that claim. You do not have guns yet. You have gunpowder but you have yet to invent guns. The East Asians have invented explosives, fireworks, hell even flame throwers by this point. Europe is still behind in gunpowder technologies.

We have Handcannons and Cannons, and Technology is being heavily into as after the beginning of the war, gunpowder weapons are a viable way to get raise armies quickly. Actually, never mind. Not many ships had cannons during this time period regardless. Carry on. Though expect our boars to have guns eventually. That also didn't stop the Mongols from all the shit they did either. Whatever, I need to finish this damn war, and see how vialble the French Army sporting Musketeers is.

I suggest re-reading my post as I edited it.

Also here's the map of the sea journeys: http://i.imgur.com/SlUytjm.jpg

[Apror]

Not to mention it wasn't until the late 1400s that a major power (Ottomans) began actually using firearms regularly in their militaries in the West.

Well are the Ottomans around? Nope. Is Japan in America? Yes. Did France just happen to become the first Military to regularly use Firearms? Yes. Have you seen how much we stretch things here? Probably.

[Republic Of Varra]

Not to mention it wasn't until the late 1400s that a major power (Ottomans) began actually using firearms regularly in their militaries in the West.

Well are the Ottomans around? Nope. Is Japan in America? Yes. Did France just happen to become the first Military to regularly use Firearms? Yes. Have you seen how much we stretch things here? Probably.

I thought we were still going along the lines of technological advancement like we did in real life.

If that's the case I demand that the Japanese invented guns in Asia much longer before the Euros ever got gunpowder.

[Republic Of Varra]

Well are the Ottomans around? Nope. Is Japan in America? Yes. Did France just happen to become the first Military to regularly use Firearms? Yes. Have you seen how much we stretch things here? Probably.

I thought we were still going along the lines of technological advancement like we did in real life.

If that's the case I demand that the Japanese invented guns in Asia much longer before the Euros ever got gunpowder.

Seriously, you are bumping the technology of guns by around 200 years. That is a huge and un-needed jump.

[Iffria]

Tag.

[Republic Of Varra]

Tag.

Hi Iffria. Long time no see.

[Apror]

Again, we stretch the things, and 40 years won't kill anyone. Okay that's a lie, lots of Englishmen will die, but no one cares about them. Besides, there's got to be a first for everything. And France likes being first. *looks down at floor in shame for not being first to America* Not to mention the Dark Ages weren't really.......dark to say in France, and were still ingenuitive and still went about making stuff better, and better technologies.

[Republic Of Varra]

Again, we stretch the things, and 40 years won't kill anyone. Okay that's a lie, lots of Englishmen will die, but no one cares about them. Besides, there's got to be a first for everything. And France likes being first. *looks down at floor in shame for not being first to America* Not to mention the Dark Ages weren't really.......dark to say in France, and were still ingenuitive and still went about making stuff better, and better technologies.

Again, that's not 40 years at all. The first military, the Ottomans, began using legit guns in the 1490s. If you are saying hand canons, then yes. I can accept that, as the oldest one found was English in around 1390. But if you say you have guns by the 1350s then I can't really accept that fact.

[Republic Of Varra]

Again, we stretch the things, and 40 years won't kill anyone. Okay that's a lie, lots of Englishmen will die, but no one cares about them. Besides, there's got to be a first for everything. And France likes being first. *looks down at floor in shame for not being first to America* Not to mention the Dark Ages weren't really.......dark to say in France, and were still ingenuitive and still went about making stuff better, and better technologies.

Again, that's not 40 years at all. The first military, the Ottomans, began using legit guns in the 1490s. If you are saying hand canons, then yes. I can accept that, as the oldest one found was English in around 1390. But if you say you have guns by the 1350s then I can't really accept that fact.

Speaking of the Dark Ages, you got the black plague. There is absolutely no way you did not get the black plague, as the mongols pushed further into Europe than our own timeline.

[South Vict]

NS Nation: South Vict

IC Nation Ottoman empire

Territory. (Picture if possible): Turkey

Leader: Ohguz Khan

Capital City Ankara

Population: 1,700,000

Culture: Heavily influenced by arab culture.

National History: Founded in 1300 by Ohguz khan after a succesfull rebellion against the Ilkhanate. Very well known for using gunpowder weapon such as cannons,firarms,etc and mostly influenced by Persian culture. The empire remained their rivalry against the Ilkhanate and the Byzantine empire and became trading partners with tianzhi China. They have a feudal system where they hand out fiefs against other vassals and married off their wives. They have a very strong military compared to anything from europe and asia.

Flag(optional): Ottoman empire flag

Military: (You need to answer some questions before we decide this)


Government Type:
Tribal
X Feudal
Republic

Continent:
X Eurasia
Africa
Americas

Unity:
X United
Somewhat United
Disunited

People Group:
Caucasian/East Asian
X Steppes/Arab/Indian
African/American

Military Strength:
X Lots of funds and weapons
Some funds and weapons
Few funds and weapons

National Ideology:
X Militaristic
Scientific/Artistic
Unfocused/Survival

[Apror]

Well are the Ottomans around? Nope. Is Japan in America? Yes. Did France just happen to become the first Military to regularly use Firearms? Yes. Have you seen how much we stretch things here? Probably.

I thought we were still going along the lines of technological advancement like we did in real life.

If that's the case I demand that the Japanese invented guns in Asia much longer before the Euros ever got gunpowder.

It's needs to be something done in that area of the world, (at least until the 1800s-1900s. If China invented the Telephone or Japan invented the Car in those times, I honestly would have zero problems with that.)

Also, you can't really do that because of two things. A. You'd have to talk to China about that, and have to discuss it with him. B. I want the technology to be at most 70 years in advance. None of the stuff I've claimed is from the 16th centry, or late 15th century. Now that I think about it, still a while before muskets will come about even with that provision. C. Literally no one would have gunpowder at that point I believe.

I thought we were still going along the lines of technological advancement like we did in real life.

If that's the case I demand that the Japanese invented guns in Asia much longer before the Euros ever got gunpowder.

Seriously, you are bumping the technology of guns by around 200 years. That is a huge and un-needed jump.

Yeah, the Musketeers thing is a no. The technology can't be crazy into the future, but you can have your tech ahead. Since you're Japan, do with that you will.

[South Vict]

I thought we were still going along the lines of technological advancement like we did in real life.

If that's the case I demand that the Japanese invented guns in Asia much longer before the Euros ever got gunpowder.

It's needs to be something done in that area of the world, (at least until the 1800s-1900s. If China invented the Telephone or Japan invented the Car in those times, I honestly would have zero problems with that.)

Also, you can't really do that because of two things. A. You'd have to talk to China about that, and have to discuss it with him. B. I want the technology to be at most 70 years in advance. None of the stuff I've claimed is from the 16th centry, or late 15th century. Now that I think about it, still a while before muskets will come about even with that provision. C. Literally no one would have gunpowder at that point I believe.

Seriously, you are bumping the technology of guns by around 200 years. That is a huge and un-needed jump.

Yeah, the Musketeers thing is a no. The technology can't be crazy into the future, but you can have your tech ahead. Since you're Japan, do with that you will.

I am now

[Republic Of Varra]

South Vict we have already removed you from this thread via ban. Please don't make this harder on us.

[RNT]

Varra can you please look at my borders pleaseeeeee.

[South Vict]

South Vict we have already removed you from this thread via ban. Please don't make this harder on us.

I worked hard for this.why is everyone so hard on me?

[Apror]

Again, that's not 40 years at all. The first military, the Ottomans, began using legit guns in the 1490s. If you are saying hand canons, then yes. I can accept that, as the oldest one found was English in around 1390. But if you say you have guns by the 1350s then I can't really accept that fact.

Speaking of the Dark Ages, you got the black plague. There is absolutely no way you did not get the black plague, as the mongols pushed further into Europe than our own timeline.

Again, hygiene, and regular bathing, and never claimed we didn't get it. Also, I'm not saying literal guns, I'm saying Handcanons. Of course not Muskets and the such. I probably confused you, so I apologize for that.

[LsaZ]

NS Nation: LsaZ

IC Nation: Third Kingdom of Myanmar

Territory. (Picture if possible): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan_K ... thu_II.PNG (Including Assam and Nagaland)

Leader: King Minye

Capital City: Pegu

Population: 3 million

Culture: Burmese

National History:The history of Myanmar begins with the rule of Mying Nyo, a brutal ruler who did not spare his enemies. Mying Nyo focused entirely on the conquest of neighboring lands. He did not care for improving the quality of life for his people, rather, he cared for bringing fear into the hearts of others.

Under his command, 20,000 men, armed with swords and bows, marched into the mountainous lands of Assam and Nagaland. Very little resistance was met as the troops raided each village and town. Both Nagaland and Assam were conquered, and it had taken over 30 years.

However, civil unrest followed shortly after his campaign. Hundreds of natives, took up arms with rocks, sticks, and anything they could find, to repel the Myanmar army out of their land. In the capital, Pegu, citizens had also taken arms. This uprising officially marked the end of Mying Nyo's rule. He fled to the northern land of Kachin, where he later died of an unknown disease.

The general had left a son by the name of Sanay. Sanay began his rule fairly young, at the age of 20. Unlike previous kings, he had made it his goal to win the approval of his people. First, he ordered the construction of a network of roads, that were intended to increase trade with neighboring kingdoms.

This had worked as Sanay planned. More nations wanted Myanmar's abundant resources. Over the next few years Sanay's Myanmar grew rich. And, for his next step in winning the approval of his population, he set out to travel across the world. He left by sea, and travelled to several European nations. He gathered new techniques and initiated diplomatic ties with Europe. After his long voyage, that lasted a long 6 years, he returned, and his people rejoiced at his arrival.

With his newfound knowledge, he introduced new agricultural methods to the farmers of the Irrawaddy region. A surplus of crops were reported in the following months. Sanay had grown more popular than ever. The military was reorganized, and new leaders were assigned to the borders of Pagan. Finally, Assam and Nagaland were given autonomy. These series of events have been considered by citizens of the time as the "golden age of Myanmar".

Towards the later years of Sanay, his once productive kingdom, began to decline. A disease had struck the southern region of Pagan. It began to infect thousands. Crops began to produce less than before, and Assam and Nagaland demanded full independence. As the years passed, Sanay had become more cruel than he once was. He had executed half of his advisors, and threatened the invasion of neighboring Arakan. He began to ignore the welfare of his once pleased people.

What followed was yet another armed uprising. Peasants, who had once enjoyed quality living conditions, took up arms and ambushed his soldiers. Citizens refused to work, and Sanay's own soldiers attempted to murder him. A notable peasant who led the revolution was Minye. He organized rebels into divisions and led them to victory.

In the turning point of the civil war, Minye began the Chauk campaign. This campaign saw the march of 1,400 peasants from Chauk to Pegu Palace. The campaign took several months. As he marched, an increasing number of unhappy citizens began to follow Minye, in the hopes of overthrowing Sanay.

5 months later, the hostile mobs stormed the palace through the windows and doors. Thousands poured in and clashed with Sanay's loyalists. The raid left over 3,000 dead, however, Minye had succeeded in overthrowing the oppressive king. In the following days, he began work on establishing a secure and new government.

The relations between Myanmar and the world had gone hostile. The kingdom had become increasingly isolated from the rest of the region and the golden age had ended. King Minye currently rules with an iron fist over Myanmar. He has inherited a war-weary population, a damaged agricultural system, and a low-morale army. Minye believes in order to restore the happiness of his people and to honor the divine gods of Myanmar's religion, he must conquer Southeast Asia, and the Indian subcontinent.

Flag(optional): https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_B ... yanmar.svg

Military: (You need to answer some questions before we decide this)


Government Type: Feudal
Tribal
Feudal
Republic

Continent: Eurasia
Eurasia
Africa
Americas

Unity: Somewhat United
United
Somewhat United
Disunited

People Group: East Asian
Caucasian/East Asian
Steppes/Arab/Indian
African/American

Military Strength: Few funds and weapons
Lots of funds and weapons
Some funds and weapons
Few funds and weapons

National Ideology: Militaristic
Militaristic
Scientific/Artistic
Unfocused/Survival

[Apror]

Again, we stretch the things, and 40 years won't kill anyone. Okay that's a lie, lots of Englishmen will die, but no one cares about them. Besides, there's got to be a first for everything. And France likes being first. *looks down at floor in shame for not being first to America* Not to mention the Dark Ages weren't really.......dark to say in France, and were still ingenuitive and still went about making stuff better, and better technologies.

Again, that's not 40 years at all. The first military, the Ottomans, began using legit guns in the 1490s. If you are saying hand canons, then yes. I can accept that, as the oldest one found was English in around 1390. But if you say you have guns by the 1350s then I can't really accept that fact.

Yeah, I'm saying Hang Cannons, which I call guns because I forget the other term at times. Yeah, I'd call bs too. No, they're Handcannons, not Muskets or any gun.

[Republic Of Varra]

Speaking of the Dark Ages, you got the black plague. There is absolutely no way you did not get the black plague, as the mongols pushed further into Europe than our own timeline.

Again, hygiene, and regular bathing, and never claimed we didn't get it. Also, I'm not saying literal guns, I'm saying Handcanons. Of course not Muskets and the such. I probably confused you, so I apologize for that.

Apologies for that, I did get confused.

I believe, however, regular bathing would not be a good argument to use, for the Europeans, for one, did not know what germs were first. Second, if they saw the Jews doing it, they probably wouldn't do it themselves. Thirdly, a very, very sizable chunk were peasants, therefore they did not have access to such luxuries. Not to mention around 60% of the populations were rural. However if you come up for reasoning to go around this, go ahead.

[Apror]

Again, hygiene, and regular bathing, and never claimed we didn't get it. Also, I'm not saying literal guns, I'm saying Handcanons. Of course not Muskets and the such. I probably confused you, so I apologize for that.

Apologies for that, I did get confused.

I believe, however, regular bathing would not be a good argument to use, for the Europeans, for one, did not know what germs were first. Second, if they saw the Jews doing it, they probably wouldn't do it themselves. Thirdly, a very, very sizable chunk were peasants, therefore they did not have access to such luxuries. Not to mention around 60% of the populations were rural. However if you come up for reasoning to go around this, go ahead.

They don't do it because of Germs, but take quite literally when the Bible says to keep clean, and your body is a temple. There is some Roman influence I won't lie. Thirdly, if they saw the Jews doing it and not getting sick, they could see that it's a possibility God protects those who keep clean.

[Republic Of Varra]

South Vict we have already removed you from this thread via ban. Please don't make this harder on us.

I worked hard for this.why is everyone so hard on me?

Because we told you that before you made a new app.

Now, I am warning you to leave.

[Iffria]

NS Nation: Iffria

IC Nation The Polynesian Trade Coalition

Territory. (Picture if possible): Polynesia (Hawaii, Tonga, Samoa, Tahiti, New Zealand, etc)

Leader: They are led by a council of chiefs from all over Polynesia

Capital City N/A

Population: 2 million throughout Polynesia

Culture: Polynesian

National History: For many years, the Polynesians sailed throughout the Pacific, trading peacefully with one another. However, with the advent of other cultures occasionally encroaching into Polynesia, many canoes were attacked. In response to this, the peoples of Polynesia joined together to make the Polynesian Trade Coalition. It's been 15 years since the creation of the PTC.

Flag(optional):

Military: (You need to answer some questions before we decide this)


Government Type:
Tribal/Republic

Continent:
Oceania

Unity:
Somewhat United


People Group:
Pacific Islander

Military Strength:
Lots of funds and weapons
Some funds and weapons
Few funds and weapons

National Ideology:
Artistic/Survival

[Republic Of Varra]

Apologies for that, I did get confused.

I believe, however, regular bathing would not be a good argument to use, for the Europeans, for one, did not know what germs were first. Second, if they saw the Jews doing it, they probably wouldn't do it themselves. Thirdly, a very, very sizable chunk were peasants, therefore they did not have access to such luxuries. Not to mention around 60% of the populations were rural. However if you come up for reasoning to go around this, go ahead.

They don't do it because of Germs, but take quite literally when the Bible says to keep clean, and your body is a temple. There is some Roman influence I won't lie. Thirdly, if they saw the Jews doing it and not getting sick, they could see that it's a possibility God protects those who keep clean.

The problem with that is that people would already be becoming sick by the time they catch on or notice.

[Iffria]

So Varra, what are these questions for military power?