Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice & Fire [OOC] -Concluded-

[Warg the Immortal]

Thats why I was thinking of also legitimizing Aurane Waters and granting him Torturer's Deep if he returns the ships, which would provide a lot more naval defines in case Tyrosh gets uppity. Plus, Drogon would be around.

Laenor would rule from Bloodstone, like Daemon Targaryen. Daegon would take Grey Gallows, and eventually divvy up his lands among his sons a-la-gavelkind


true. I think the depopulation thing was a suggestion, unsure if Val will choose to go that route

That would work well.. I may need to find myself a dragon or two to hold the Stepstones against the Free Cities though.

I think Tyrosh would be fine with Dany taking them so long as Tyrosh itself is left alone. Cant see them objecting to not having to deal with pirates anymore

[Nuxipal]

That would work well.. I may need to find myself a dragon or two to hold the Stepstones against the Free Cities though.

I think Tyrosh would be fine with Dany taking them so long as Tyrosh itself is left alone. Cant see them objecting to not having to deal with pirates anymore

Well if that's the timeline we are heading down. I do have a plan for a potential conflict in mind. I would prefer dragon's on my side.. but I don't see that likely.

[Warg the Immortal]

I think Tyrosh would be fine with Dany taking them so long as Tyrosh itself is left alone. Cant see them objecting to not having to deal with pirates anymore

Well if that's the timeline we are heading down. I do have a plan for a potential conflict in mind. I would prefer dragon's on my side.. but I don't see that likely.

I think Val want a minimum on the dragons aspect, keeps the playing field relatively even and all, so I think Drogon will be the last one

[Nuxipal]

Well if that's the timeline we are heading down. I do have a plan for a potential conflict in mind. I would prefer dragon's on my side.. but I don't see that likely.

I think Val want a minimum on the dragons aspect, keeps the playing field relatively even and all, so I think Drogon will be the last one

That's why i figured not having a dragon on my side would be the most likely scenario. I don't exactly want to spill the plan here, but in a hundred years, if House Seasmoke still has the Stepstones, I would have ideas for expansion where a dragon would make the chances of victory significantly better.

[Warg the Immortal]

I think Val want a minimum on the dragons aspect, keeps the playing field relatively even and all, so I think Drogon will be the last one

That's why i figured not having a dragon on my side would be the most likely scenario. I don't exactly want to spill the plan here, but in a hundred years, if House Seasmoke still has the Stepstones, I would have ideas for expansion where a dragon would make the chances of victory significantly better.

Btw, have any ideas for how Laenor would've reunited with Laena and met up with the rest of team Dany?

[Nuxipal]

That's why i figured not having a dragon on my side would be the most likely scenario. I don't exactly want to spill the plan here, but in a hundred years, if House Seasmoke still has the Stepstones, I would have ideas for expansion where a dragon would make the chances of victory significantly better.

Btw, have any ideas for how Laenor would've reunited with Laena and met up with the rest of team Dany?

Probably would have been captured. I think last I had him, he was with the armies of Aegon VI marching on Casterly. He joined up with them simply because they were offering food and gold to any mercenaries and he had a sizable group of former militia men with him. Laena probably would have seen him and asked Daenerys to pardon her brother. He would likely have followed his sister's advice and fought alongside the armies of Daenerys against the Others.

[Warg the Immortal]

Btw, have any ideas for how Laenor would've reunited with Laena and met up with the rest of team Dany?

Probably would have been captured. I think last I had him, he was with the armies of Aegon VI marching on Casterly. He joined up with them simply because they were offering food and gold to any mercenaries and he had a sizable group of former militia men with him. Laena probably would have seen him and asked Daenerys to pardon her brother. He would likely have followed his sister's advice and fought alongside the armies of Daenerys against the Others.

Gotcha, and he probably would've joined Dany and Daegon later on in the conquest of the stepstones. Also, maybe Laenor could marry a Tyroshi noble to help build relations and lessen the likelihood of them going to war with Dany over the Stepstones

[Blackledge]

Did the last RP end due to issues with player activity or did the story conclude? I'm asking because I'm concerned that continuing a story from an RP that stopped halfway and differs substantially from the canon as we know it would harm new player interest.

[Nuxipal]

Probably would have been captured. I think last I had him, he was with the armies of Aegon VI marching on Casterly. He joined up with them simply because they were offering food and gold to any mercenaries and he had a sizable group of former militia men with him. Laena probably would have seen him and asked Daenerys to pardon her brother. He would likely have followed his sister's advice and fought alongside the armies of Daenerys against the Others.

Gotcha, and he probably would've joined Dany and Daegon later on in the conquest of the stepstones. Also, maybe Laenor could marry a Tyroshi noble to help build relations and lessen the likelihood of them going to war with Dany over the Stepstones

Quite possible. Though, marrying any of the free city houses means you only have that alliance with the city so long as that family rules the city. Should another family come out on top, then they will likely have gained a rival instead. Initially, that may be the best option for Laenor though.

[Nuxipal]

Did the last RP end due to issues with player activity or did the story conclude? I'm asking because I'm concerned that continuing a story from an RP that stopped halfway and differs substantially from the canon as we know it would harm new player interest.

From my memory, we stopped probably 2/3 of the way through. What had been a multi-sided conflict became essentially two sides due to players leaving, however, one side had a significantly greater strength supporting it compared to the other. They effectively agreed who would have been the winner and hashed out the agreement OOCly how things would have gone.

[Warg the Immortal]

Gotcha, and he probably would've joined Dany and Daegon later on in the conquest of the stepstones. Also, maybe Laenor could marry a Tyroshi noble to help build relations and lessen the likelihood of them going to war with Dany over the Stepstones

Quite possible. Though, marrying any of the free city houses means you only have that alliance with the city so long as that family rules the city. Should another family come out on top, then they will likely have gained a rival instead. Initially, that may be the best option for Laenor though.

From my understanding Tyrosh has generally had an ok relationship with Westeros (Daemon Blackfyre marrying Rohanne, Valarr Targaryen marrying Kiera of Tyrosh, Arianne Martell being friends with the Archon's daughter and potentially being fostered there for a while if Viserys and Dany hadn't been kicked out of their house, Dany meeting he Archons brother at her wedding to Drogo), so I think just a marriage with one of the more powerful families should be fine to keep things from going to war.

[Nuxipal]

Quite possible. Though, marrying any of the free city houses means you only have that alliance with the city so long as that family rules the city. Should another family come out on top, then they will likely have gained a rival instead. Initially, that may be the best option for Laenor though.

From my understanding Tyrosh has generally had an ok relationship with Westeros (Daemon Blackfyre marrying Rohanne, Valarr Targaryen marrying Kiera of Tyrosh, Arianne Martell being friends with the Archon's daughter and potentially being fostered there for a while if Viserys and Dany hadn't been kicked out of their house, Dany meeting he Archons brother at her wedding to Drogo), so I think just a marriage with one of the more powerful families should be fine to keep things from going to war.

Fair enough. So Tyrosh would get its wedding.

[Warg the Immortal]

From my understanding Tyrosh has generally had an ok relationship with Westeros (Daemon Blackfyre marrying Rohanne, Valarr Targaryen marrying Kiera of Tyrosh, Arianne Martell being friends with the Archon's daughter and potentially being fostered there for a while if Viserys and Dany hadn't been kicked out of their house, Dany meeting he Archons brother at her wedding to Drogo), so I think just a marriage with one of the more powerful families should be fine to keep things from going to war.

Fair enough. So Tyrosh would get its wedding.

The green haired girl about Arianne's age would probably be the best choice for solidifying peace

[The Valyria Empire]

Did the last RP end due to issues with player activity or did the story conclude? I'm asking because I'm concerned that continuing a story from an RP that stopped halfway and differs substantially from the canon as we know it would harm new player interest.

Remember that it will be 100 hundred years since then. With it being so far ahead while some of events of the RP will be laying the playing field, it will not exactly have the biggest impact on the IC.

Also Warg, as I stated in my minor summary; Jon will die with his Targaryen ancestry being kept a secret. The War with the Others having destroyed half of Westeros does leave someone like Jon to not care about the Iron Throne, all he would care about is reuilding. Drogon dies in the War with the Others. Now while the North will have a fairly big depopulation, the Riverlands, Vale, Westerlands and Crownlands will also feel the impact.

I'll have a greater summary later, since it seems this idea is going to win. It isn't going to be as fan service as you want it to be Warg, sorry.

[Warg the Immortal]

Did the last RP end due to issues with player activity or did the story conclude? I'm asking because I'm concerned that continuing a story from an RP that stopped halfway and differs substantially from the canon as we know it would harm new player interest.

Remember that it will be 100 hundred years since then. With it being so far ahead while some of events of the RP will be laying the playing field, it will not exactly have the biggest impact on the IC.

Also Warg, as I stated in my minor summary; Jon will die with his Targaryen ancestry being kept a secret. The War with the Others having destroyed half of Westeros does leave someone like Jon to not care about the Iron Throne, all he would care about is reuilding. Drogon dies in the War with the Others. Now while the North will have a fairly big depopulation, the Riverlands, Vale, Westerlands and Crownlands will also feel the impact.

I'll have a greater summary later, since it seems this idea is going to win. It isn't going to be as fan service as you want it to be Warg, sorry.

Can't win em all I suppose. Guess dany will marry someone else then. What will the conflict for the rp be, since it's set 100 years from now?

[Recon]

My biggest concern is with the 100 years or so between canon and this reality. In this game, we had some problems with Custom Houses in regard to history and size etc. Now every house will be in effect the same as the custom house.

GRRM created the characters and personalities of the houses to ensure there was no “perfect” family or house. Look at the Vale with Robert Arryn, Balon Greyjoy and Joffrey. Robb Stark was a military wunderkind, but hopeless politically. If I was going to create an “ideal” Lord character, I would not create any of these. So I hope we don’t have carbon copies of “ideal” characters, houses and lands. In many threads, you see “strengths” and “weaknesses” on character creation, but ther e is great latitude given to the writer to put anything in either box. Usually this creates a character with clear strengths and with only vague or contextual weaknesses.

So my concern is, with 100 years. Every house great or small will have to shape their own past and current status. If you are a great house, you can explain how the Riverlands or the Vale has developed in these decades. If there is no canon, then we should be very careful. If everyone is perfect and carrying a Valyrian steel sword, then this will not be interesting.

[Blackledge]

My biggest concern is with the 100 years or so between canon and this reality. In this game, we had some problems with Custom Houses in regard to history and size etc. Now every house will be in effect the same as the custom house.

GRRM created the characters and personalities of the houses to ensure there was no “perfect” family or house. Look at the Vale with Robert Arryn, Balon Greyjoy and Joffrey. Robb Stark was a military wunderkind, but hopeless politically. If I was going to create an “ideal” Lord character, I would not create any of these. So I hope we don’t have carbon copies of “ideal” characters, houses and lands. In many threads, you see “strengths” and “weaknesses” on character creation, but ther e is great latitude given to the writer to put anything in either box. Usually this creates a character with clear strengths and with only vague or contextual weaknesses.

So my concern is, with 100 years. Every house great or small will have to shape their own past and current status. If you are a great house, you can explain how the Riverlands or the Vale has developed in these decades. If there is no canon, then we should be very careful. If everyone is perfect and carrying a Valyrian steel sword, then this will not be interesting.

I agree to an extent. We should encourage flawed characters. And given how Westeros has historically been pretty resistant to change, it would be nice to not have the changes be *too* great.

I would like to see how others feel about custom non-canon houses. Are they necessary? There are hundreds of canon houses with their own sigils and histories that could be fluffed up. Could the RP stick to those?

[Ism]

My biggest concern is with the 100 years or so between canon and this reality. In this game, we had some problems with Custom Houses in regard to history and size etc. Now every house will be in effect the same as the custom house.

GRRM created the characters and personalities of the houses to ensure there was no “perfect” family or house. Look at the Vale with Robert Arryn, Balon Greyjoy and Joffrey. Robb Stark was a military wunderkind, but hopeless politically. If I was going to create an “ideal” Lord character, I would not create any of these. So I hope we don’t have carbon copies of “ideal” characters, houses and lands. In many threads, you see “strengths” and “weaknesses” on character creation, but ther e is great latitude given to the writer to put anything in either box. Usually this creates a character with clear strengths and with only vague or contextual weaknesses.

So my concern is, with 100 years. Every house great or small will have to shape their own past and current status. If you are a great house, you can explain how the Riverlands or the Vale has developed in these decades. If there is no canon, then we should be very careful. If everyone is perfect and carrying a Valyrian steel sword, then this will not be interesting.

I agree to an extent. We should encourage flawed characters. And given how Westeros has historically been pretty resistant to change, it would be nice to not have the changes be *too* great.

I would like to see how others feel about custom non-canon houses. Are they necessary? There are hundreds of canon houses with their own sigils and histories that could be fluffed up. Could the RP stick to those?

If I may, as someone who did apply for a custom house and has done so in the past for ASOIAF rps, I prefer custom houses. Not because I think they're better than the canon houses, but because it allows me to do several things. Firstly, it's mine. My house, my idea. Which means that if I want to alter the course of how something played out in canon, I can try to do so, without having a character/house act in a non-canonical manner. Another reason I like custom houses is it allows me to do something interesting, or play with Martin's world in some way. An Ironborn who has turned from a zealous follower of the old ways to a determined reformer (in the vein of Peter the Great who partially inspired the character) or an Ironborn house which survived in the Riverlands after the fall of the Hoares, developed a strange form of the Ironborn faith and had a unique means of choosing successors. Like I said, I don't think I can do a better job than Martin, but I can do something different altogether, which is vastly more interesting from my perspective.

[The Valyria Empire]

Poll ends tonight at 8:36 EST. Looks like A Dream of Spring is going to win, but maybe something will change.

[Slakonian]

Poll ends tonight at 8:36 EST. Looks like A Dream of Spring is going to win, but maybe something will change.

Seems like a good idea, hopefully you won't give the ruling dynasty a bunch of dragons and make them OP

[The Valyria Empire]

Poll ends tonight at 8:36 EST. Looks like A Dream of Spring is going to win, but maybe something will change.

Seems like a good idea, hopefully you won't give the ruling dynasty a bunch of dragons and make them OP

I've already stated that the dragons are dead. I'll be including a timeline with this RP to explain what has happened in the last 100 years.

[Utceforp]

Two questions:

1: Is this still open?

2: Could I have a brief summary of the plot (as it diverges from canon) thus far?

[The Valyria Empire]

Two questions:

1: Is this still open?

2: Could I have a brief summary of the plot (as it diverges from canon) thus far?

This RP just ended. I have a poll to vote for the next RP, so feel free to vote.

[Utceforp]

Two questions:

1: Is this still open?

2: Could I have a brief summary of the plot (as it diverges from canon) thus far?

This RP just ended. I have a poll to vote for the next RP, so feel free to vote.

Alright, thanks.

Personally, I think the Conquest is a more interesting startdate for the new RP.

[Dentali]

Two questions:

1: Is this still open?

2: Could I have a brief summary of the plot (as it diverges from canon) thus far?

This RP just ended. I have a poll to vote for the next RP, so feel free to vote.

I call the stark family!