Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice & Fire [OOC] -Concluded-

[The Valyria Empire]

Just a heads up my RL friend, Altegonnia (he's RPed with a few of you before) will be reserving House Harlaw.

Also Jade I already timeskipped to the second day of the Tourney, at night. Ned has already went to sleep while a few characters at Winterfell are still awake. So what ever you want your characters to do this night, go nuts.

[Archangelskl Oblast]

Reed it is.

[Vladivostokava]

Reed it is.

I am Blacklockes, I am under Reeds. TG me.

[Archangelskl Oblast]

House Reed

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House Sigil:

House Words: "We live in a bog, we like to eat frog, and we know the prologue."
Allegiance Paid to: The Starks of Winterfell Lords of the North.
House Seat: Greywater Watch, The Neck
Approx Number of military at command: 2,000
History of the House: House Reed of Greywater Watch is a vassal house that holds fealty to House Stark of Winterfell. House Reed is the southern-most house of the North. They control the vast area of swampland and bog stretching across the narrowest part of the continent of Westeros, the Neck. The Reeds and their vassals are Crannogmen, a distinct off-shoot of the First Men who have adapted to living in the swamps of the Neck. House Reed's sigil is a black lizard-lion on a grey-green field.

Howland Reed, the current head of House Reed and Lord of Greywater Watch, fought alongside his liege-lord Eddard Stark in Robert's Rebellion and saved his life during one of its final skirmishes at the Tower of Joy.

(Source: http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Reed)

Vassals:

House Fenn​e
House Marsh
House Peat
House Boggs
House Cray
House Quagg
House Greengood
House Blackmyre
House Blacklocke

[Archangelskl Oblast]

Im just joking around with the house words. I love and respect the Reeds immensely. They are probably my third favorite family, with the Starks and Mormonts being ahead of them. I would seriously submit this motto for them:



"The Guardians of The North"

"The Gatekeepers of The North."

"The Keepers of The North"

"Thou Shalt Not Pass" (eh)

"Our House Moves"

Or more seriously;

"For the past lives in us"

[Yaana Noore]

Seeing how this is going rather against the Lannisters, I thought I would try and even this up a little for them. Or at least as much as I can with a character like this. With permission from Kernan, I bring you, my new character...

Name: Cersei Lannister
House: House Lannister of Casterly Rock
Age: 32
Gender: Female
Titles: Queen of the Seven Kingdoms
House Seat:

House Sigil:

Allegiance paid to: House Baratheon of King's Landing
Appearance:

Personality: Cersei is a proud and ambitious woman. She believes herself to be a female version of her father, and whilst she possesses a base cunning she is lacking the same political and administrative astuteness. She resents the opportunities denied to her because of her sex, which she conveys via her dislike for most other women, who she believes to be weak, unlike herself. Cersei is impatient and finds it easy to find slights or threats against her.
Skills: Beauty, birth, and riches. A limited political know-how.
Weaponry: Her beauty.
Military Strength: N/A
Biography: Born in 266 AC, Cersei Lannister is the eldest child and only daughter of Lord Tywin Lannister and his wife Lady Joanna Lannister. She was born shortly before her twin brother Jaime, who had been holding her foot. From an early age the twins became very close. As children they looked so similar that their father struggled to tell them apart, and Cersei was even able to take lessons from Casterly Rock's master-at-arms whilst in Jaime's clothes. From a young age the two shared a bed, and later began to experiment sexually. One time, however, they were caught by a servant who informed their mother and told them to never do it again. Jaime's chambers were moved away and Cersei's were guarded. But soon after Joanna died giving birth to her second son, Tyrion. Cersei hated Tyrion for 'killing' their mother. Tywin was never told about her and Jaime's interactions.

Joanna had always wanted her son to be a knight and her daughter a Queen. At the age of six, Tywin told his daughter that she was to marry Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. At the tourney to celebrate the birth of Prince Viserys at Lannisport, Cersei saw Rhaegar for the first time and became infatuated with him. Her aunt Genna told Cersei that their betrothal would be announced at the end of the tourney.

Not long after this, Cersei and her childhood friends Jeyne Farman and Melara Hetherspoon went to visit a woods witch. Jeyne fled from fear, but the other two stayed. Melara asked if she would marry Jaime, but was instead told her death was close. Cersei asked when she would wed the Prince, but was told she would marry the King. That she would have three children and him sixteen, her children would be kings and queens, but die before her. And that once they were dead, the valonqar would choke her to death. And indeed so far Maggy the Frog has been correct. Melara did soon die after falling down a well, and Cersei did marry the King, King Robert. She has three children, and him far too many bastards. Cersei has become convinced that the valonqar - little brother - that will kill her is Tyrion.

Upon her return Cersei found out that Aerys had rejected Tywin's suggestion of Rhaegar marrying Cersei, and he was instead later wed to the Princess Elia Martell. Cersei remained unwed, Tywin hoping she could be the bride of Viserys or that the weak Elia would die in childbirth. Jaime, meanwhile, he hoped to marry to the daughter of Hoster Tully, Lysa. During a visit to King's Landing, Cersei seduced Jaime and persuaded him to join the Kingsguard - so that he could remain unmarried and they could continue their affair. However, once Jaime did, Tywin left King's Landing in a rage, resigning his post as Hand and separating the twins. It was not until after Robert's Rebellion that they would meet again - with Cersei now becoming the bridge of the newly crowned Robert Baratheon. At first Cersei was excited to be married to the young and handsome Robert, but on their wedding night the drunken King called her "Lyanna", she has never forgiven him.

The marriage of the King and Queen has since been very poor, with Cersei resuming her affair with Jaime and passing off her three children by him as Robert's heirs. The secret is known by few, however this is now something she fears for, with Stannis Baratheon having worked out the truth and told Jon Arryn who was investigating, but rather fortunately, died. She now yearns for the day Robert dies and her eldest son, Joffrey, becomes king, giving herself to chance to rule too as Queen Regent.
RP Example: This needed?
Notes: I can probably write her children now and then if they are particularly needed.

[The Valyria Empire]

Im just joking around with the house words. I love and respect the Reeds immensely. They are probably my third favorite family, with the Starks and Mormonts being ahead of them. I would seriously submit this motto for them:



"The Guardians of The North"

"The Gatekeepers of The North."

"The Keepers of The North"

"Thou Shalt Not Pass" (eh)

"Our House Moves"

Or more seriously;

"For the past lives in us"

Hmm, the way you wrote that is very similar.

I honestly prefer the fanmade, "Hearth, Heart and Harvest."

Also you didn't need to make a house app, Reed is a canon house. I need you to make a character app, as this is a character RP not a faction RP.

Cersei is accepted.

[Jhet]

Damn frog-eaters. Scum I say.

I am kinda upset that no one went with Frey or Royce. Those two Houses are phenomenal.

Alright, so. First things first, I reread the wiki page, and you are right, it does say he was overrun. It seems to be a poor choice of words though, as it goes on to say that he was able to retreat in good order, and that the battle was not very large.
It seems to be a mistake on either grrms part, or tyrions, since we gather this information from his POV (or so the sources in the wiki say.)

It's a glaring contradiction, and i'm not really sure why I didn't notice it earlier.
Point is, there isn't really anything to refute or prove either of our arguments (although both have their merits), so I would like to call a draw, unless some new book explaining all of roberts rebellion in detail comes out tomorrow.

Tyrion's quote "...his reputation rests on one indecisive victory..." should be seen through the context of that scene. He didn't like Mace so (unreliable narrator blah blah blah) would paint him in a poor light. Saying that, the only other reference I can recall is Stannis, who says in reference to Tarly "...he defeated my brother at Ashford..." which doesn't exactly improve on it either way.

I would agree that there appears to be a contradiction/retcon, tho the wiki obviously isn't a "canon" source (its done by fans, diehard fans admittedly if they have taken the time to work out and register the presumed ages of several hundred characters)

Its like a religious text. Trying to base your world view on such a contradictory (and outdated) source will obviously lead to changing interpretations with fanatics as well as moderates able to find evidence that their way is the right way. So its an argument that we aren't going to get anywhere with until George stops trying to shove Wild Cards down our throats and gets back to his defining series.

Secondly. The battle of the fords was good for what it was, a defensive action. It was not intended to crush tywin, otherwise it would've been in the field, where a more complete victory could be realized. That's from edmure's pov anyway, since a field battle against tywin would be a loss. He didn't know that though.

So why defend? The most obvious explanation is that edmure is a glory-hound, yes, but remember. He tried this exact thing before, with terrible consequences for himself, and his kingdom, only reversed by the greatest military victory the war of the five kings has ever seen. (up until now, i bet winterfell is going to be pretty stunning to everyone.)
Point is, edmure has made the same mistake before, and he wouldn't do it again. In a hypothetical situation where edmure is indeed in it for the glory, why didn't he pursue tywin? He had the men, and tywin's force was bloodied and tired, not to mention on the retreat. Ed seems to be a pretty brave guy, and it seems like the most straightforward option from his point of view.

He clearly isn't doing it to protect his people, as gathering all his troops into one army to protect a small part of the riverlands when he could defend the whole south with it isn't how you protect your people.

Totally agree that, taken in a vacuum, the battle tactically was sound. He knew the advantages (terrain, siege equipment, missiles, mounted reserve etc) to use which does speak well of him. In addition, from his discussion with Cat, I get the impression that the layout of the battle was mostly his idea - ""Lord Tytos says so, and Lord Jonos as well. When did Blackwood and Bracken agree about anything that was not certain, I ask you?"" which is points in favour of his ability.

However Whispering Wood/Riverrun is by far the most impressive military victory of the war of the five kingdoms. Force marching down the length of the riverlands, with at best a 2.5-1 disadvantage in numbers and lacking infantry for any holding capability. Drawing on the weaknesses of the enemy leader and delivering a resounding victory that not only destroyed an army (the 4k of Prester fleeing the field and not playing a part again until maybe the Siege of Riverrun, but by then most men seemed to have disappeared) but turned the tide of the war from near defeat to a "comfortable" stalemate that leaned against Tywin.

He didn't pursue Tywin because he knew he didn't have the means to. He was thinking of himself (emphasise on the passage below is mine):

'Edmure swung down from his saddle. He was a head taller than she was, but he would always be her little brother. "Cat," he said unhappily, "Lord Tywin is coming - "

"He is making for the west, to defend his own lands. If we close our gates and shelter behind the walls, we can watch him pass with safety."

"This is Tully land," Edmure declared. "If Tywin Lannister thinks to cross it unbloodied, I mean to teach him a hard lesson."

The same lesson you taught his son? Her brother could be stubborn as river rock when his pride was touched, but neither of them was likely to forget how Ser Jaime had cut Edmure's host to bloody pieces the last time he had offered battle.

"We have nothing to gain and everything to lose by meeting Lord Tywin in the field," Catelyn said tactfully.

"The yard is not the place to discuss my battle plans."

"As you will. Where shall we go?"

Her brother's face darkened. For a moment she thought he was about to lose his temper with her, but finally he snapped, "The godswood. If you will insist."

She followed him along a gallery to the godswood gate. Edmure's anger had always been a sulky, sullen thing. Catelyn was sorry she had wounded him, but the matter was too important for her to concern herself with his pride. When they were alone beneath the trees, Edmure turned to face her.

"You do not have the strength to meet the Lannisters in the field," she said bluntly.

"When all my strength is marshaled, I should have eight thousand foot and three thousand horse," Edmure said.

"Which means Lord Tywin will have near twice your numbers."

"Robb's won his battles against worse odds," Edmure replied, "and I have a plan. You've forgotten Roose Bolton. Lord Tywin defeated him on the Green Fork, but failed to pursue. When Lord Tywin went to Harrenhal, Bolton took the ruby ford and the crossroads. He has ten thousand men. I've sent word to Helman Tallhart to join him with the garrison Robb left at the Twins - "'

(They then went on to argue about Frey, which I've cut out since it doesn't add anything aside from Edmure taking people at face value and their word)

'"Yes, but once the castle falls, Lord Tywin will have no safe retreat. My own levies will defend the fords of Red Fork against his crossing. If he attacks across the river, he'll end as Rhaegar did when he tried to cross the Trident. If he holds back, he'll be caught between Riverrun and Harrenhal, and when Robb returns from the west we can finish him for good and all."

Her brother's voice was full of brusque confidence, but Catelyn found herself wishing that Robb had not taken her uncle Brynden west with him. The Blackfish was the veteran of half a hundred battles; Edmure was the veteran of one, and that one lost.

"The plan's a good one," he concluded. "Lord Tytos says so, and Lord Jonos as well. When did Blackwood and Bracken agree about anything that was not certain, I ask you?"

"Be that as it may." She was suddenly weary. Perhaps she was wrong to oppose him. Perhaps it was a splendid plan, and her misgivings only a woman's fears. She wished Ned were here, or her uncle Brynden, or . . . "Have you asked Father about this?"'

(Catelyn goes off to see her father. End of chapter. Next Catelyn Chapter)

'Tell Father I have gone to make him proud." Her brother swung up into his saddle, every inch the lord in his bright mail and flowing mud-and-water cloak. A silver trout ornamented the crest of his greathelm, twin to the one painted on his shield.

"He was always proud of you, Edmure. And he loves you fiercely. Believe that."

"I mean to give him better reason than mere birth." He wheeled his warhorse about and raised a hand. Trumpets sounded, a drum began to boom, the drawbridge descended in fits and starts, and Ser Edmure Tully led his men out from Riverrun with lances raised and banners streaming'

He wants to make up for his defeat, to prove himself in the eyes of the realm. His king was able to win victory after victory (this point they knew about Stafford and his levies), out-maneuvering the man whose military history relied on such a tactic (Reyne-Tarbeck rebellion won because Tywin marshaled his forces first and struck at one then the next, first leg of Wot5k because he marshaled his forces first and divided his opponent, etc) and his pride demands that he do the same. He wants to make up for his defeat at the hands of Jaime, for falling into Tywin's trap (that Eddard saw through, though you could safely argue that Eddard has a very keen eye for military strategy). And he romanticizes his coming victory like the Trident, which is either empty boasting or his actual attitude.

He knows that Tywin is wanting to go west, and Edmure knows that he doesn't have the strength to face him in a way that would destroy the Lannister army. His plan for eventually destroying Tywin relies entirely on Tywin not moving, despite him having the means of going the south way to the Westerlands, or back east to Kingslanding (which we know he can do). And he even seems to forget that by not following through with a victory that the army remains intact (Bolton) and is able to be used in future engagements. So his strategy is: stop the enemy from ceasing to pillage his lands and replicate his enemy's mistake (not following up a victory)
so that he could bloody Tywin and wait for the third army (Robb) to arrive, without informing his king of this action so that he could come back quicker. They knew that Robb was at the Crag so it wasn't as if there weren't updates from Robb's part.

Tywin was in a "good" position at Harrenhal because he was able to strike against Riverrun (where Robb and Co. were), or the Kingsroad (Bolton), or march to defend Kingslanding (Renly or Stannis). Robb going west forced Tywin to chose between allowing Robb unrestricted access to his wealth, or remaining to defend Kingslanding.
Since Renly and Stannis were still fighting (to their mind) he made the call to move west. As such, he was effectively cutting himself off from defending the crown.
As our man Tyrion says: "I looked at a map." So Edmure's ploy to keep Tywin in a centralised position (setting aside the issue of that allowing/forcing Tywin to raid more of the riverlands) ensures that he can react to any and all threats to the crown.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Hey Warg, how do you want to do Oberyn's interaction with the prospective sworn swords? I can write up a dual post if youd like.

Also, Is Ned meeting Davos?

[The Valyria Empire]

Hey Warg, how do you want to do Oberyn's interaction with the prospective sworn swords? I can write up a dual post if youd like.

Also, Is Ned meeting Davos?

I figured that Davos would come to the Tower and they'd have a "late night boys only Club get together."

[Warg the Immortal]

Hey Warg, how do you want to do Oberyn's interaction with the prospective sworn swords? I can write up a dual post if youd like.

Also, Is Ned meeting Davos?

I could write a post of them being summoned to come to Oberyn, then leave the rest to you, if that sounds fine?

[Vladivostokava]

good morning all

[The Novakian Empire]

And good morning to you!

[Vladivostokava]

How is everyone? I am just getting up, I wanna get a post up soon. But I dont know where I should post. I kinda wanna do something with Lord Harkin.

[Eraus]

How is everyone? I am just getting up, I wanna get a post up soon. But I dont know where I should post. I kinda wanna do something with Lord Harkin.

You could have have him react to a few of the things that's happened like the letters sent to your house or have him in you castle chatting with some family members we've yet to have seen.

Maybe listening to some of the smallfolks issues or other lordly tasks

[Vladivostokava]

How is everyone? I am just getting up, I wanna get a post up soon. But I dont know where I should post. I kinda wanna do something with Lord Harkin.

You could have have him react to a few of the things that's happened like the letters sent to your house or have him in you castle chatting with some family members we've yet to have seen.

Maybe listening to some of the smallfolks issues or other lordly tasks

The thing with Harkin is he stays in his quarters and leaves only on special occasions. Rana runs most things with the public. Harkin is very isolated and does not like people. He is slowly becoming a lunatic.

[Eraus]

You could have have him react to a few of the things that's happened like the letters sent to your house or have him in you castle chatting with some family members we've yet to have seen.

Maybe listening to some of the smallfolks issues or other lordly tasks

The thing with Harkin is he stays in his quarters and leaves only on special occasions. Rana runs most things with the public. Harkin is very isolated and does not like people. He is slowly becoming a lunatic.

That's something you could to out. His mental decline and how it effects those around him

[Vladivostokava]

The thing with Harkin is he stays in his quarters and leaves only on special occasions. Rana runs most things with the public. Harkin is very isolated and does not like people. He is slowly becoming a lunatic.

That's something you could to out. His mental decline and how it effects those around him

I have an idea. Thanks.

I can show how disturbed he is getting.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Hey Warg, how do you want to do Oberyn's interaction with the prospective sworn swords? I can write up a dual post if youd like.

Also, Is Ned meeting Davos?

I could write a post of them being summoned to come to Oberyn, then leave the rest to you, if that sounds fine?

Sounds perfect.

[Yaana Noore]

Hey Warg, how do you want to do Oberyn's interaction with the prospective sworn swords? I can write up a dual post if youd like.

Also, Is Ned meeting Davos?

I figured that Davos would come to the Tower and they'd have a "late night boys only Club get together."

Davos has come to the tower, was waiting on you.

[The Valyria Empire]

I figured that Davos would come to the Tower and they'd have a "late night boys only Club get together."

Davos has come to the tower, was waiting on you.

Oh, from what I remember of your post it just said he was on his way to the Tower. I don't recall him requesting to see the Hand. There would definitely be some Stark guards at the door.

[Nova Vestroia]

[The Valyria Empire]

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Um, can I ask why this artist's redinition of Valhalla has been posted? Is this a tag? Cause if it is, you could of just said tag or something.

[Yaana Noore]

Davos has come to the tower, was waiting on you.

Oh, from what I remember of your post it just said he was on his way to the Tower. I don't recall him requesting to see the Hand. There would definitely be some Stark guards at the door.

Yeah I wrote that he was on his way to the Tower of the Hand. From there I presumed that you would write the guards letting Eddard know and allowing Davos entry.

[Kulonia]

What it be my homies?

Sorry for inactivity. I've been riding my bicycle around my street, alot. Wanted to give the Internet a break. But I'm back. Will post on PC l8r 2nite.