Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice & Fire [OOC] -Concluded-

[The Novakian Empire]

Will post a response in a bit.

[The Novakian Empire]

Alright, so. First things first, I reread the wiki page, and you are right, it does say he was overrun. It seems to be a poor choice of words though, as it goes on to say that he was able to retreat in good order, and that the battle was not very large.
It seems to be a mistake on either grrms part, or tyrions, since we gather this information from his POV (or so the sources in the wiki say.)

It's a glaring contradiction, and i'm not really sure why I didn't notice it earlier.
Point is, there isn't really anything to refute or prove either of our arguments (although both have their merits), so I would like to call a draw, unless some new book explaining all of roberts rebellion in detail comes out tomorrow.


Secondly. The battle of the fords was good for what it was, a defensive action. It was not intended to crush tywin, otherwise it would've been in the field, where a more complete victory could be realized. That's from edmure's pov anyway, since a field battle against tywin would be a loss. He didn't know that though.

So why defend? The most obvious explanation is that edmure is a glory-hound, yes, but remember. He tried this exact thing before, with terrible consequences for himself, and his kingdom, only reversed by the greatest military victory the war of the five kings has ever seen. (up until now, i bet winterfell is going to be pretty stunning to everyone.)
Point is, edmure has made the same mistake before, and he wouldn't do it again. In a hypothetical situation where edmure is indeed in it for the glory, why didn't he pursue tywin? He had the men, and tywin's force was bloodied and tired, not to mention on the retreat. Ed seems to be a pretty brave guy, and it seems like the most straightforward option from his point of view.

He clearly isn't doing it to protect his people, as gathering all his troops into one army to protect a small part of the riverlands when he could defend the whole south with it isn't how you protect your people.

Here's my theory.
Now, let's say you are edmure. You are hanging out in riverrun, and news is brought to you that your king robb, has annhialated a lannister army at oxcross. "Great!" You say, and celebrations are thrown and stuff, because edmure loves to party.
And, over the next couple of weeks (months?) you get more news. Robb is staying in the westerlands, ravaging it as tywin did the riverlands, taking castles and what have you. "Okay" you say, but you start thinking.
"Wouldn't this bring tywin west? It's his homeland, after all." You come to the conclusion, yes, it would. You know for a fact that robb brought 6000 horse with him to the west, and absolutely no infantry. You also know that tywin may have a much larger force than that, perhaps outnumbering robb three to one. (we readers know it does.)

Robb's looting the westerlands, and tywin is coming to attack him. "Great!" you think, knowing that robb tends to win battles.
But wait. The battle is in the westerlands, territory that neither robb, the blackfish, or any of his northern cavalry are familiar with. They are faced with a army that outnumbers them three to one, that knows the territory very well, and probably has more cavalry than he has men.
This is looking bad.
Or maybe, it's robbs plan! You know the story of oxcross, the secret trail that grey wind found. Maybe robb found a ambush site he could defeat tywin at.
Great, but.. is that even possible? It's the westerlands. Tywin and his bannermen know this land bloody well, they live there, and so do their bannermen!
Best case scenario, robb (your king) and the blackfish (your uncle) die gloriously in a thermopalaye esque battle. That's not a good look.

You know tywin's marching west, and you know he's going to crush robb, so what do you do? Stop him!
You interpret robb's orders to hold riverrun to mean the riverlands purposefully, and do the following.
You rally all of your bannermen, even northerners, and post them at the red fork. You make a detailed battle plan, with siege equipment, the works. Tywin comes. After a bloody three days straight of battling all across the red fork, you are victorious!
You'd pursue tywin, as he is bloodied and on the retreat, but you are bloodied too, and you've fought battles in the field before. It hasn't gone well.

So you hold position.
Robb, you king returns. Huge celebration! Everyone's happy, even the northerners! Finally, for once, you have been able to prove yourself to everyone!

The next day, in private, robb and the blackfish yell at you.
Fuck them! You saved their asses! Dicks.
Still, robb is your king and your kin, and so is the blackfish. So you take it, as explaining your plan would probably piss them off even more.
You ask to lead the vanguard at the next battle to make amends, a dangerous prospect for anyone, as you know exactly who tywin sends first. (the mountain)
They say there won't be a next battle, the blackfish scolds you more, and the next couple of days are fine. Robb broke his betrothal to the frey girl with some westerlander woman. God damn it!
They convince you to make amends by marrying the frey girl. Happy to fix your relationship with your nephew and the blackfish, the man you idolize, you accept.
Then, more news comes. Apparently, stannis was attacking the blackwater while you were winning at the fords, and tywin running off allowed him to save kings landing and prevent the end of the war. Also, the tyrells joined tywin's army.
Fuuuck.

Well, might aswell go to my wedding before tywin comes north. So, you go to the twins, to make up for your nephew being a stupid teenager. Huge fucking party!
Edmure has a awesome time at the party, but eventually, comes the wedding.
Ugh. Freys are probably going to marry me to someone shit, to spite me and robb.
Noope. She takes off her veil. Turns out, the woman you are supposed to marry is fucking beautiful.
You give a shit-eating grin to robb before you head off to the bedding ceremony.

Everything else is a bit of a haze. You wake up to find everyone you know and love has been murdered by the freys and the boltons, so now you are a prisoner. And now the freys took riverrun.
Then, you get dragged out of your cell, and go wih a army, south. That's weird.
You arrive at riverrun. No frey banners here! weird.

Aaaand now you're in the gallows, some dipshit making half-hearted threats to hang you, because your uncle took over riverrun.
You don't plea for mercy, though. No, you stay silent.
This goes on for the next couple of months.
And then, jaime lannister and his entire army arrives at riverrun!
Fuck this dude.
Still, he gets you cleaned up and out from the gallows, so..eh?
Then, he forces you to surrender riverrun, with the most terrifying threat anyone has ever fucking said to anyone ever.
Still though, as one final fuck you to the lannisters, you delay for just enough time for your uncle to escape riverrun, by swimming down the trident.

For a 60 year old man, fucker's fast.

Oh well. Jaime's pissed, but he still abides by his promises. Lannisters pay their debts and all.
So now you're going west, with your admittedly awesome wife who you just found out is pregnant!
Floppy fish my ass! FUCK YOU TOM!

Things aren't looking so bad anymore.

[The Valyria Empire]

Edmure is still inept when it comes to war. He should of stuck to being the Lord of the Riverrun which his people needed, leave the fighting to the generals. It's not his fault they lost, but he like many others played their part. The North lost the moment Stannis lost the Blackwater, or you could say when Renly died. (Renly was willing to pardon Robb and give them everything they wanted.)

I'll get a post up during my break, or after work.

[The Novakian Empire]

Edmure is still inept when it comes to war. He should of stuck to being the Lord of the Riverrun which his people needed, leave the fighting to the generals. It's not his fault they lost, but he like many others played their part. The North lost the moment Stannis lost the Blackwater, or you could say when Renly died. (Renly was willing to pardon Robb and give them everything they wanted.)

I'll get a post up during my break, or after work.

Did you atleast like my 2nd person(ish) story? I put alot of effort into it, lol.

[Das Stahlreich]

Question:

Wasn't Robert's death in fault by Cersei having her men get Robert drunk before he went to fight the boar? Will this be canon? Also, does anybody know where Robert's boar was supposed to have been?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Another excellent post Yaana, love Shireen's innocence.
Still wondering if Mel will be Ned's breaking point with Stannis, just as Daenery's assassination was his with Robert.

Thank you. Just read your own which was enjoyable as always. Are we assuming Humfrey and Arianne are betrothed?

It will be interesting to see how Eddard finds this Stannis/Mel business. Particularly when Stannis is about to see something which will convince him some more of Mel's powers...

Until Nux gets back, I am going to say that Arianne and Humfrey are tentatively, but secretly, betrothed.

[Dentali]

Question:

Wasn't Robert's death in fault by Cersei having her men get Robert drunk before he went to fight the boar? Will this be canon? Also, does anybody know where Robert's boar was supposed to have been?

Robert sorta killed himself, while Cersei helped him along. That was the brilliance of her plan.

Basically Cersei had been trying to end her husband's life, especially since the BIG secret would be out soon. Knowing that Robert loved to drink, hunt, and whore around. And if possible, he would probably do them all simultaneously. So even if Cersei did not try anything to hasten Robert's death, his recklessness was bound to get him one day. Thus Cersei took advantage of that.

So while Robert was out on a hunt, Cersei took the chance to have Lancel Lannister, Robert's squire (whose job was to fetch and pour Robert's wine) to serve Robert extra potent wine, something that he was not used to. Robert got drunk really quickly, and against his better judgment, tried to take down the boar alone. He couldn't dodge the boar's attack in time, and got mortally injured as he killed it.

It was brilliant. Because it is Robert's own undoing. He wasn't poisoned, he wanted the wine, and he wanted to take on the boar by himself. It would be absurd to say that Cersei ordered the boar to kill Robert. No one can point Cersei as the murderer. So effective and simple.

[The Novakian Empire]

I really hate that robert has to die for the story to continue, because he's such a great character.
Seriously, mark addy portrayed him so well!

[Great Franconia and Verana]

I really hate that robert has to die for the story to continue, because he's such a great character.
Seriously, mark addy portrayed him so well!

Well acted, but I never liked him.

He was fun, but was an absolutely terrible King. I am happy he died.

[The Valyria Empire]

Question:

Wasn't Robert's death in fault by Cersei having her men get Robert drunk before he went to fight the boar? Will this be canon? Also, does anybody know where Robert's boar was supposed to have been?

She originally wanted to have him killed during the Melee. However when that plan failed she decided to wait.

Robert has been known as a frequent hunter, it's the only way he can get his kicks since there's no Wars. Thus following Ned's injury during his encounter with Jaime Robert needed to blow off some steam, thus announced a hunt.

However, Cersei is fucking Lancel (Rob's squire) thus has close access to Robert. She had Lancel bring a much stronger wine to the hunt. Thus when Robert thought he could take the boar on himself it turned to be fatal. (Robert mentions that there's a nasty boar in the Kingswood that he had wanted to get for a while) So Barristan and Lancel watch Robert get fucked over and Pycelle does little (Lannister puppet) to help thus Robert dies.

In this RP once Ned leaves for Dragonstone Robert will on this hunt and thus the death will come sooner.

Edit: Was he truly a horrible King? Robert, like the Young Dragon, and Aegon I is a fighter. He left governance to his council, and only acted when needed. He could easily rally those to him and had the best claim of any others to the Throne. The issue comes to bankruptcy, which could of easily been avoided with some help from Littlefinger since he has debts everywhere. As we know, Littlefinger let the Crown go bankrupt which would lead to many issues.

Also Jesus Christ, France. You're so happy to see people die, first Robb and now Robert. Is there anyone that we're sad to see die?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Question:

Wasn't Robert's death in fault by Cersei having her men get Robert drunk before he went to fight the boar? Will this be canon? Also, does anybody know where Robert's boar was supposed to have been?

She originally wanted to have him killed during the Melee. However when that plan failed she decided to wait.

Robert has been known as a frequent hunter, it's the only way he can get his kicks since there's no Wars. Thus following Ned's injury during his encounter with Jaime Robert needed to blow off some steam, thus announced a hunt.

However, Cersei is fucking Lancel (Rob's squire) thus has close access to Robert. She had Lancel bring a much stronger wine to the hunt. Thus when Robert thought he could take the boar on himself it turned to be fatal. (Robert mentions that there's a nasty boar in the Kingswood that he had wanted to get for a while) So Barristan and Lancel watch Robert get fucked over and Pycelle does little (Lannister puppet) to help thus Robert dies.

In this RP once Ned leaves for Dragonstone Robert will on this hunt and thus the death will come sooner.

Edit: Was he truly a horrible King? Robert, like the Young Dragon, and Aegon I is a fighter. He left governance to his council, and only acted when needed. He could easily rally those to him and had the best claim of any others to the Throne. The issue comes to bankruptcy, which could of easily been avoided with some help from Littlefinger since he has debts everywhere. As we know, Littlefinger let the Crown go bankrupt which would lead to many issues.

Also Jesus Christ, France. You're so happy to see people die, first Robb and now Robert. Is there anyone that we're sad to see die?

Tywin. Not because i liked him, or thought he was a good person, but because i respected his intelligence. His character was always fascinating to me.

Catelyn actually too, felt for her, possibly Renly, if only because im not too big a fan of Stannis.

It's not that i am happy Robb died, i would prefer him alive, but i said he deserved to die.

Though, since I'm a Targ fan, and Rhaegar is my favourite character in ASOIAF, I was pleased that Robert died.

[The Novakian Empire]

She originally wanted to have him killed during the Melee. However when that plan failed she decided to wait.

Robert has been known as a frequent hunter, it's the only way he can get his kicks since there's no Wars. Thus following Ned's injury during his encounter with Jaime Robert needed to blow off some steam, thus announced a hunt.

However, Cersei is fucking Lancel (Rob's squire) thus has close access to Robert. She had Lancel bring a much stronger wine to the hunt. Thus when Robert thought he could take the boar on himself it turned to be fatal. (Robert mentions that there's a nasty boar in the Kingswood that he had wanted to get for a while) So Barristan and Lancel watch Robert get fucked over and Pycelle does little (Lannister puppet) to help thus Robert dies.

In this RP once Ned leaves for Dragonstone Robert will on this hunt and thus the death will come sooner.

Edit: Was he truly a horrible King? Robert, like the Young Dragon, and Aegon I is a fighter. He left governance to his council, and only acted when needed. He could easily rally those to him and had the best claim of any others to the Throne. The issue comes to bankruptcy, which could of easily been avoided with some help from Littlefinger since he has debts everywhere. As we know, Littlefinger let the Crown go bankrupt which would lead to many issues.

Also Jesus Christ, France. You're so happy to see people die, first Robb and now Robert. Is there anyone that we're sad to see die?

Tywin. Not because i liked him, or thought he was a good person, but because i respected his intelligence. His character was always fascinating to me.

Catelyn actually too, felt for her, possibly Renly, if only because im not too big a fan of Stannis.

It's not that i am happy Robb died, i would prefer him alive, but i said he deserved to die.

Though, since I'm a Targ fan, and Rhaegar is my favourite character in ASOIAF, I was pleased that Robert died.

[The Valyria Empire]

Tywin. Not because i liked him, or thought he was a good person, but because i respected his intelligence. His character was always fascinating to me.

Catelyn actually too, felt for her, possibly Renly, if only because im not too big a fan of Stannis.

It's not that i am happy Robb died, i would prefer him alive, but i said he deserved to die.

Though, since I'm a Targ fan, and Rhaegar is my favourite character in ASOIAF, I was pleased that Robert died.

Rhaegar was a douche.

Sorry for the delay on the post, expect it around 12 AM EST

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Rhaegar was a douche.

Sorry for the delay on the post, expect it around 12 AM EST

He suffered a moment of poor judgement, I would not really say he was a douche exactly.
By all accounts he was smart, kind, a good warrior, brave, and noble, and would have been a better King than Robert Baratheon.
He was too emotional and impulsive, but those are hardly damning qualities in this world.

[United City States of Oceania]

Rhaegar was a douche.

Sorry for the delay on the post, expect it around 12 AM EST

He suffered a moment of poor judgement, I would not really say he was a douche exactly.
By all accounts he was smart, kind, a good warrior, brave, and noble, and would have been a better King than Robert Baratheon.
He was too emotional and impulsive, but those are hardly damning qualities in this world.

Well, not sure any of the Targaryens are fit to lead, due to the fact that they have a tradition of incest, meaning that they have a much higher chance of birth defects and other nasty stuff...

[Vladivostokava]

Good morning, cuties.

I need to walk the bite n' bark and Ill be ready to reply to any posts.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

He suffered a moment of poor judgement, I would not really say he was a douche exactly.
By all accounts he was smart, kind, a good warrior, brave, and noble, and would have been a better King than Robert Baratheon.
He was too emotional and impulsive, but those are hardly damning qualities in this world.

Well, not sure any of the Targaryens are fit to lead, due to the fact that they have a tradition of incest, meaning that they have a much higher chance of birth defects and other nasty stuff...

Many Targaryen's turned out fine, as repulsive as incest is, the old saying rings true, the Gods do flip a coin when it comes to the Targs.

[Warg the Immortal]

Well, not sure any of the Targaryens are fit to lead, due to the fact that they have a tradition of incest, meaning that they have a much higher chance of birth defects and other nasty stuff...

Many Targaryen's turned out fine, as repulsive as incest is, the old saying rings true, the Gods do flip a coin when it comes to the Targs.

Exactly, I wouldn't exactly call incest a reason for them to be bad rulers. Just look at the Ptolemaics, they had a fair few good rulers, but also bad rulers, same as any other dynasty

EDIT: Also, the Valyrians had been doing it for millennia before the Doom, so clearly they have some genetic difference from other Planetos races that helps them from dying out due to inbreeding depression

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Many Targaryen's turned out fine, as repulsive as incest is, the old saying rings true, the Gods do flip a coin when it comes to the Targs.

Exactly, I wouldn't exactly call incest a reason for them to be bad rulers. Just look at the Ptolemaics, they had a fair few good rulers, but also bad rulers, same as any other dynasty

EDIT: Also, the Valyrians had been doing it for millennia before the Doom, so clearly they have some genetic difference from other Planetos races that helps them from dying out due to inbreeding depression

Quite, the practice was common in Egypt even before the Ptolemy's.

[Yaana Noore]

Apart from this one, how many other ASoIaF/GoT roleplays have people here took part in previously? Any particularly notable ones or favourites?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Apart from this one, how many other ASoIaF/GoT roleplays have people here took part in previously? Any particularly notable ones or favourites?

I have OP'd three different ones previously, and I think participated in one or two before this one, if memory serves.

[Vladivostokava]

Apart from this one, how many other ASoIaF/GoT roleplays have people here took part in previously? Any particularly notable ones or favourites?

This is my fourth or fifth. I OP'd one, it lasted around 3 months.

[Archangelskl Oblast]

Taggity-Tag-Tag. Hey Ava, how be you?


Sup everyone. Anyone want a vassal? I not exactly looking to run a large house unless anyone has some ideas. From what I can see, the majority are taken.

[Vladivostokava]

Taggity-Tag-Tag. Hey Ava, how be you?


Sup everyone. Anyone want a vassal? I not exactly looking to run a large house unless anyone has some ideas. From what I can see, the majority are taken.

Hello dummy. I could use a vassal. TG me!

[Warg the Immortal]

Apart from this one, how many other ASoIaF/GoT roleplays have people here took part in previously? Any particularly notable ones or favourites?

This is my fourth. My favourite thus far has probably been Val's first one, A Feast for Crows. Though I'm also liking this one a lot so far