Game of Thrones: A Song of Ice & Fire [OOC] -Concluded-

[The Forsworn Knights]

Sorry for not posting today, I went to my best friend's birthday party and it went later than expected. The Joust/some stuff will be up tomorrow.

[Eraus]

EDIT: Another question though. If a bastard gets passed over for inheritance because of his bastard status, but is later legitimized can they make a claim on the lands and titles?

I think they could but they likely wouldn't be getting it without a struggle lel

[Great Franconia and Verana]

First post up, what do you guys think?
I should have a Doran/Arianne post up tomorrow, as well as further joust posts as well.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

Name:Ser Aron Trioch
House:Trioch
Age:50?
Gender:Male
Titles:Ser, Lord of Eaglesford
House Seat:Eaglesford
Eaglesfords Location:
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The white dot.
House Sigil:
([url=House_Trioch.png]Image[/url])
Allegiance paid to: Baratheons of Kings landing, Nominally
[b]Appearance (Picture appreciated):
(Image)
Personality:Recluse, devoted to his family and unyielding on the field of battle. Finds Lannister methods distasteful but knows Tywin is a logical man first and formost. But deems child killing to be unnecessary.
Skills:Master Swordsman, skilled strategist, somewhat poor politician.
Weaponry (If any):Possible Iron Islands origin hand and a half sword, rumored to be a favor of the Rosbys or perhaps Hoares.
Military Strength:1600
Biography:

The old soldier of the ford was born in the time of King Aerys, of that no one can deny, he was a squire for his father who taught him much of the arts of war. He was a quick learner who knew what was needed. However he is someone who will do what he must to protect his family. But the Trioches as one of the favored houses of Targaryen know the rewards of loyalty and duty to the Targaryens. Hence only when the Northmen had surrounded Eaglesford and word reached the castle that Tywin Lannister had promptly sacked the capitol and killed the Royal Family had seen him being a man without a family. He and his wife had been struggling to have a child for a long time. Several miscarrages had not been kind to his beloved wife. A Frey as his father believed that having favor with the second house of the riverlands was good. Even though the Trioches keep the old Gods they are not above the use of various things to get there way.

Though Aron was hesitant in marrying a Frey with the young Lord of that house being a womanizer per the odd reports he got. He grew to love his wife and he would mourn the loss of several children. Not in the cradle, several miscarriages. When his eldest son was born as well as the rest of his children around the time of the Greyjoy rebellion where he proved the loyalty of House Trioch to the Baratheons of Kings Landing by being close to Barristan Selmy in the combat at Great Wyck with the Lord Commander and him become friends.

Now he will watch his eldest son ride in his fourth tourney and move to speak to Eddard Stark.

RP Example:
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Notes: (Please put here any ancillary characters you will likely play as, for example, Tywin Lannister would probably control Jaime, Hoster Tully would also control Brynden Tully, Robert and Stannis etc etc. Keep in mind your ancillary characters can still be apped by other nations.)
Diana Frey:38-Wife
Olan Trioch:20-Eldest Son
Mara Trioch:18-His Eldest daughter
Gabrelle Trioch-16
Mordon Trioch-18 Twin Brother to Mara
Allan Trioch-14

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This is inspired by my Game of Thrones Ascent House. I give you, House Trioch of Eaglesford.
House Name:House Trioch of Eaglesford
House Sigil:
http://emilion-3.deviantart.com/art/Hou ... -668590500
House Words:Ever Ready and Ever Strong
Allegiance Paid to:House Baratheon of the Crownlands (Nominally), Agents of House Trioch search for Targaryen survivors.
House Seat (Map location required, picture of Castle/town appreciated):
Map Location:At the tip of the junction of the Gods-eye and the Black water rush.
The white dot.
http://emilion-3.deviantart.com/art/Cro ... -668589383
Eaglesford Castle:
http://wallpaperbackgrounds.com/Content ... -28790.jpg
Approx Number of military at command:1500 Soldiers
History of the House (At least two well written paragraphs please):
House Trioch of Eaglesford is a House that has been ever ready to serve. They rose to prominence in the time of Aegon the Conqueror with their actions as stewards for the Rosbys. Urging them to be quick about bending the knee to Aegon lest they be found wanting. The Trioch name was made in the service of the Old Gods though they were under House Hoare. With Family legends speaking of resistance to Andals and others of resistance to the Red Kings of the Dreadfort. As ancient Knights stripped of their title they had wandered.

The founder of the House was knighted by the Lord of Rosby when Aegon took over and the Trioches were knights for many generations serving the House of Rosby until the time of the Blackfyre Rebellion. In the Aftermath of the rebellion they were given jurisdiction over the place where Daemon Blackfyres castle once stood. They built their seat across the river from where Dragonstounge was. The Trioches had served as stewards to the Black Dragon many proclaimed. The answer as to how they survived is closely guarded by the House.

They would go on to provide several prominent knights to the Kingsguard. Ser Ryder Trioch who fought alongside Bloodraven in the last time that he would do battle with Bittersteel.

Lord Commander Olmund Trioch who would see Duncan the Tall named to the Kingsguard.

Ser Calvan Trioch who would be among those of the Kingsguard who died at Summerhall. He was found outside the palace having appearently walked while burning. Dieing without a sound. However it was said he mouthed something.

In this current age the House of Trioch a proud family that owed everything to the Targaryens and was loyal to the house during the time of Roberts Rebellion. They bent the knee when the war was lost and pledged their fealty to Robert Baratheon fighting with honor and distinction in the bloody war for Great Wyck under the Lord Commander of Robert Baratheons Kingsguard, the last of the Targaryen whitecloaks with his honor in tact. The Triochs were appalled at the deaths of Elia and her children and respect the Starks for their actions.

Co-OP here, seen this a few times so ill address it.
There are a few things that I would take issue with before accepting this.

The first is the amount of Troops your house has. 1600 is quite a bit, especially when we consider that the Crownlands can only raise a maximum of 10,000 to 15,000 troops, a large portion of which are divided between King's Landing, the islands like Driftmark and Dragonstone, and the fertile fiefs north of the Capital. Where you have positioned Eaglesford is a good strategic position, but its probably not populated enough to have such a large levy.

Secondly, there are no Targaryen's in this RP, no Daenerys or Aegon VI, so it would be pretty fruitless to have your House look for any.

Third, the sword you mention, it seems very important, probably needs more explanation.

And finally, its exceptionally rare for a southern House to worship the Old Gods. The vast majority of Old Gods devotees live in the North, and only either travelers, or exiled Northern Houses, would worship in the old way in the South. The religion aspect seems shoehorned into the family history, and raises questions like why would the Rosby's stewards be from the North? Why would Lord Rosby appoint such a person his steward? Why are people who worship the Old Gods knights, a title that is almost only used in the South, and by people who worship the Seven. It does not add up when examined, and it makes less sense that a minor family of Stewards would keep to the Old Way, rather than worship the Seven.

[Recon]

First post up, what do you guys think?
I should have a Doran/Arianne post up tomorrow, as well as further joust posts as well.

A really good start. I like the multiple characters. One nitpick, a man like Oberyn could not find an attractive woman or man in the crowd during his joust? He must be losing his roving eye!

Oberyn in Kings Landing will be interesting at this moment. Considering he is a fine warrior and also someone who is politically savvy (when not enraged). I think the most interesting question will be, if Oberyn has the opportunity to face Jaime Lannister or the Mountain how will he get his revenge? A poisoned Lance? Attack them on the ground, like Ser Gregor did to Ser Loras? Also will Oberyn put all this silly business with his sister aside and break bread with Tywin Lannister?

like he did in ASOS

[Castain]

Name: Joffrey Baratheon
House: House Baratheon of Kings Landing
Age: 12
Gender: Male
Titles: Prince of the Iron Throne, Heir to the Throne
House Seat: Kings Landing
House Sigil:

Allegiance paid to: None
Appearance (Picture appreciated):

Personality: Joffrey is cruel and sadistic, always power hungry and unforgiving. He believes that he is the absolute greatest in the realm, and that since he is royalty, he has the ability to do as he pleases, when he pleases.
Skills: Able to inspire fear.
Weaponry (If any): "Hearteater" His personal sword
Military Strength: I'll leave this to Val
Biography: (At least two well written paragraphs please):
Joffrey was born as the first son of King Robert Baratheon and Queen Cersei Lannister. Joffrey came out like any other babe, crying and squealing and holding their bare hands out. The realm rejoiced when the news came that there was an heir. Little did they know they would despise this heir and wish he had never been born. As a young child, Joffrey was a spoiled and indulgent child that always craved attention. His father was deeply ashamed that he could have born a child like this, and would have beaten him if not for Cersei.

When his younger brother Tommen was born, Joffrey was always the one to be there and bully him. He would constantly torment him and forcefully use him as someone to play him, making the brothers relationship less then admirable. The realm much prefers Tommen over Joffrey, and the world holds it breath to see how the young boy Prince would rule.

RP Example: Dragon Ball Universe threads

Notes: Tommen Baratheon, Myrcella Baratheon as arcillary characters

[Jhet]

Lord dies with no trueborn children. Brother inherits. If brother is dead, brother's eldest son inherits. If Brother is dead and son is dead/did not have a son, then the Lord's oldest uncle inherits and on down his line. It cannot pass to the brother's daughter or the uncle's daughter. If succession moves to a different family line, it essentially takes the next eligible male. If the entire family is wiped out, and the lord has no trueborn children, his title either reverts to the King or the Small Council will have to decide who will take those lands.

I'm pretty sure it's only the royal family that daughters of brothers cannot inherit. I believe daughters of brothers and uncles normally can inherit. In the case of no living heirs I believe it can sometimes pass to a ward of the late-Lord, as in the case of Gyles Rosby's ward, who staked a claim on his lands following his death

Though I may be wrong

EDIT: Another question though. If a bastard gets passed over for inheritance because of his bastard status, but is later legitimized can they make a claim on the lands and titles?

Yeah, that was what the total farce of the Dance of Dragons solved for the crown.

Yet the rest of the realm (dorne excluded) still follows the male descendants -> female descendants -> male siblings -> female siblings. In the case of the rosby ward, the land is still technically passing to the crown, he is just making a bid as a potential recipient. They could give it to a wildling and still the ward would have no (legal) claim.

Yes and no. If they are passed over and the family line is still alive when they are legitimized, then most likely they will still be passed over until they are the only direct line left (since most would rather take the brother's son rather than the second-cousin's husband's daughter). If they are passed over and the family line is dead when they are legitimised, then most likely not in any real sense, as they are basically a new house (as the old lands and titles have been given off to another). If the new family sitting on his ancestral lands were to die, then his claim would matter again.

Obviously as long as the bastard is not the first choice of heir when there are still siblings/direct relations alive then really it doesn't matter where you stick the legitimised son/daughter in. Just say its a regional/cultural/house thing for the legit bastards to be ahead of cousins or something.

[The Novakian Empire]

Actually guys, succession law is super unclear. The custom is of course, what nux said, but there's nothing saying the leader of a house couldn't make his daughter heir over a man.

[Vladivostokava]

Actually guys, succession law is super unclear. The custom is of course, what nux said, but there's nothing saying the leader of a house couldn't make his daughter heir over a man.

I agree, I can't find any laws that are in stone.

I think that it would just be looked down upon heavily.

[The Valyria Empire]

I'm fairly certain ever since the Dance that succession follows Agnatic, not Agnatic-Conatic.

Example; With Daemon and Baelor's deaths the crown went to Viserys instead of Daena as people still felt salty about the dance and thus didn't want a female ruler. The smaller realms is unclear but the Throne follows Agnatic only.

Now should Stannis take the Throne either he can change the law to allow females unless a male is born or he can also follow Agnatic and have Renly be his heir.

[Vladivostokava]

With the declining mental health of Harkin III, we can see what happens when Females are eligible. In blackreach they already have a history or women rulers. So it won't be a long shot.

[Castain]

So was I accepted?

[Vladivostokava]

They will get to you dont worry.

[Jhet]

I'm fairly certain ever since the Dance that succession follows Agnatic, not Agnatic-Conatic.

Example; With Daemon and Baelor's deaths the crown went to Viserys instead of Daena as people still felt salty about the dance and thus didn't want a female ruler. The smaller realms is unclear but the Throne follows Agnatic only.

Now should Stannis take the Throne either he can change the law to allow females unless a male is born or he can also follow Agnatic and have Renly be his heir.

The Great Councils made the Targ inheritance favour men over women. Then the Dance happened and everyone realised that men make better leaders, making it law for the Targaryens/crown. And it does allow for women, just that all men come first. After King Tommen the only legitimate Baratheon is Myrcella (Renly and Stannis disinherited/attained), and why Shireen is Stannis' royal heir and everyone knows it (same thing again, Renly disinherited/attained, Robert's lot aren't his). And that issue with Dany and her possible family.

In the books we directly see succession law with the Karstark betrothals/marriages which supports children over siblings. And with the Lannisters, Mormonts, Stokeworths. The one which may be tricky is Oakheart: ruled by a woman, and we don't know if she married a cousin, or her husband took her name, as she has sons who probably should be the lord. As a general rule it is safe to say, male kids, female kids, then male siblings, then female siblings (all trueborn). The issue comes when you have bastards and insane family members. Or indeed ambitious uncles, just ask Uhtred son of Uhtred.

[Eraus]

I'm fairly certain ever since the Dance that succession follows Agnatic, not Agnatic-Conatic.

Example; With Daemon and Baelor's deaths the crown went to Viserys instead of Daena as people still felt salty about the dance and thus didn't want a female ruler. The smaller realms is unclear but the Throne follows Agnatic only.

Now should Stannis take the Throne either he can change the law to allow females unless a male is born or he can also follow Agnatic and have Renly be his heir.

The Great Councils made the Targ inheritance favour men over women. Then the Dance happened and everyone realised that men make better leaders, making it law for the Targaryens/crown. And it does allow for women, just that all men come first. After King Tommen the only legitimate Baratheon is Myrcella (Renly and Stannis disinherited/attained), and why Shireen is Stannis' royal heir and everyone knows it (same thing again, Renly disinherited/attained, Robert's lot aren't his). And that issue with Dany and her possible family.

In the books we directly see succession law with the Karstark betrothals/marriages which supports children over siblings. And with the Lannisters, Mormonts, Stokeworths. The one which may be tricky is Oakheart: ruled by a woman, and we don't know if she married a cousin, or her husband took her name, as she has sons who probably should be the lord. As a general rule it is safe to say, male kids, female kids, then male siblings, then female siblings (all trueborn). The issue comes when you have bastards and insane family members. Or indeed ambitious uncles, just ask Uhtred son of Uhtred.

So would a Bastard be able to inherit?

[Great Franconia and Verana]

The Great Councils made the Targ inheritance favour men over women. Then the Dance happened and everyone realised that men make better leaders, making it law for the Targaryens/crown. And it does allow for women, just that all men come first. After King Tommen the only legitimate Baratheon is Myrcella (Renly and Stannis disinherited/attained), and why Shireen is Stannis' royal heir and everyone knows it (same thing again, Renly disinherited/attained, Robert's lot aren't his). And that issue with Dany and her possible family.

In the books we directly see succession law with the Karstark betrothals/marriages which supports children over siblings. And with the Lannisters, Mormonts, Stokeworths. The one which may be tricky is Oakheart: ruled by a woman, and we don't know if she married a cousin, or her husband took her name, as she has sons who probably should be the lord. As a general rule it is safe to say, male kids, female kids, then male siblings, then female siblings (all trueborn). The issue comes when you have bastards and insane family members. Or indeed ambitious uncles, just ask Uhtred son of Uhtred.

So would a Bastard be able to inherit?

Not unless he was legitimised

[Great Franconia and Verana]

First post up, what do you guys think?
I should have a Doran/Arianne post up tomorrow, as well as further joust posts as well.

A really good start. I like the multiple characters. One nitpick, a man like Oberyn could not find an attractive woman or man in the crowd during his joust? He must be losing his roving eye!

Oberyn in Kings Landing will be interesting at this moment. Considering he is a fine warrior and also someone who is politically savvy (when not enraged). I think the most interesting question will be, if Oberyn has the opportunity to face Jaime Lannister or the Mountain how will he get his revenge? A poisoned Lance? Attack them on the ground, like Ser Gregor did to Ser Loras? Also will Oberyn put all this silly business with his sister aside and break bread with Tywin Lannister?

like he did in ASOS

Oberyn has a roving eye, but among the hated nobility of the capital, its only Ellaria that catches it.

The issue with Oberyn killing Gregor in the joust is that the Mountain's death is just one part of a huge plan. And in order for his death to mean anything, Gregor has to confess to raping and killing Elia/Aegon, and confess that Tywij gave the order. Killing him like Set Hugh is not going to keep the plan moving, unfortunately, and I doubt the Clegane player would like me doing that!

[Recon]

The issue with Oberyn killing Gregor in the joust is that the Mountain's death is just one part of a huge plan. And in order for his death to mean anything, Gregor has to confess to raping and killing Elia/Aegon, and confess that Tywij gave the order. Killing him like Set Hugh is not going to keep the plan moving, unfortunately, and I doubt the Clegane player would like me doing that!

You are right, it would be very unlikely to get any kind of confession with so many bystanders to intervene.

[The Immortal Wolf]

tag
I love Game of thrones, Read the books and watched the series

I might go Manderly, Maybe the Arryns cause that's always fun or maybe Freys if they are still not taken

[Warg the Immortal]

The issue with Oberyn killing Gregor in the joust is that the Mountain's death is just one part of a huge plan. And in order for his death to mean anything, Gregor has to confess to raping and killing Elia/Aegon, and confess that Tywij gave the order. Killing him like Set Hugh is not going to keep the plan moving, unfortunately, and I doubt the Clegane player would like me doing that!

You are right, it would be very unlikely to get any kind of confession with so many bystanders to intervene.

And Oberyn would likely be arrested for murder if he used poison, though if he just killed him with just a lance I suppose it would have about the same effect as when Ser Hugh died

[Warg the Immortal]

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I love Game of thrones, Read the books and watched the series

I might go Manderly, Maybe the Arryns cause that's always fun or maybe Freys if they are still not taken

All three are open

[Cruxa]

warg, how good is this Brude guy?

as an above-average jouster

He's an experienced jouster who frequently rides in the lists

so, say I had a good joust. could I beat him? i'm also an experienced jouster.

[Warg the Immortal]

He's an experienced jouster who frequently rides in the lists

so, say I had a good joust. could I beat him? i'm also an experienced jouster.

I thought you had said Elmhart hadn't jousted in some time

However, it wasn't Adrian he was nervous for- he was worried about his own bout, which would take place shortly. He hadn't jousted in some time, and he felt tight this morning. Beds in King's Landing were extremely uncomfortable. In any case, he was to joust- and by the gods, he'd do his master proud.

[Great Franconia and Verana]

He's an experienced jouster who frequently rides in the lists

so, say I had a good joust. could I beat him? i'm also an experienced jouster.

Something I noticed today is that the bracket for the Tourney pits Oberyn against either NPC's or minor custom characters In every bout until the finals.

[Warg the Immortal]

so, say I had a good joust. could I beat him? i'm also an experienced jouster.

Something I noticed today is that the bracket for the Tourney pits Oberyn against either NPC's or minor custom characters In every bout until the finals.

That's due to Val wanting the four canon finalists of the tournament to fight separately from the custom characters until later in the tournament, so that it would give player characters a chance to interact with one another before they are relegated from the tournament