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Postby Skogarstrond » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:12 pm

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Nuverikstan wrote:Expansion into Northern California and Oklahoma is a bit of a stretch, but rice farming and other techniques would provide a population boom, but nothing crazy. However, the question is how well will your people adapt, and will Japan be able to set aside some of the Maya's beliefs to befriend them? It never matters how progressive your leader is, it is how progressive are your people?

That is a good question. Why wouldn't the Japanese, with superior technology and more people, who think themselves superior, not just outright conquer the Maya's, or attempt to like the Europeans.

Japan and I have talked about this and the simple answer is: transportation. The Europeans, being a few hundred years later, had the means to send large amounts of men long distances to fight. The Pacific Ocean, however, is much larger and the route is even longer, going around the Pacific Rim. They simply don't have the resources to send a large amount of soldiers overseas to go to war with a large empire. Eventually they realize that trade us much more profitable than war. And to the whole rice farming thing, that's not all of it. From the mid-700s we'd be focusing much more heavily on farming, causing a larger population boom over a much larger period of time, but rice helps too I guess. We'd have the resources to conquer up to the Great Lakes but as I've said, we sure as he'll couldn't sustain it. I know we'd lose against Europeans, even with Japanese aid, but it wouldn't be an easy war at all for the Europeans. And about the Progressiveness of the people, we've had hundreds if years to work on it that we're missing. The current king (pre-time skip) is starting to question the existence of the gods. The next will start the two hundred year shift from polytheistic beliefs to painting themselves as gods, similar to the pharaohs of Egypt. When the Japanese arrived we'd see a mixture of this belief system and Buddhism, which I'm still trying to work the kinks out of. Gotta go for a bit.

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Postby Nuverikstan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:13 pm

Nuxipal wrote:So would it have been possible (if the arab nation collasped) for a Zoroastrian Shahanshah to be re-established with Chinese aid? Making Persia a tributary (not vassal) of the Tianzi Dynasty?

If we are start in 1350, that would mean the Mongols still attacked. You could say, that when the Mongol empire split apart, they put the Zoroastrian lineage on the throne.
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Postby Apror » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:13 pm

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Apror wrote:At least give him Rome, and as far as that, we had it as the Franks, we somehow kept it as France. Pretty sure the Romans took it took, though I don't remember

But some form of Papacy exists. He couldn't conquer Rome, without all Catholics killing him. And if France didn't answer the call, you know dang well that the priests would stir up the commoners, dukes and barons, against your leadership.

No, I mean the Papacy decided to have his Nation be it's state. And of course I'd answer the call. *Deus Vult intensifies as he baths in Saracen blood reads the Bible*
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Postby Apror » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:14 pm

Nuverikstan wrote:
Nuxipal wrote:So would it have been possible (if the arab nation collasped) for a Zoroastrian Shahanshah to be re-established with Chinese aid? Making Persia a tributary (not vassal) of the Tianzi Dynasty?

If we are start in 1350, that would mean the Mongols still attacked. You could say, that when the Mongol empire split apart, they put the Zoroastrian lineage on the throne.

The world lived in peace......but everything changed when the Mongols attacked. (If you get my reference, awesome)
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Postby Nuverikstan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:18 pm

Skogarstrond wrote:
Apror wrote:That is a good question. Why wouldn't the Japanese, with superior technology and more people, who think themselves superior, not just outright conquer the Maya's, or attempt to like the Europeans.

Japan and I have talked about this and the simple answer is: transportation. The Europeans, being a few hundred years later, had the means to send large amounts of men long distances to fight. The Pacific Ocean, however, is much larger and the route is even longer, going around the Pacific Rim. They simply don't have the resources to send a large amount of soldiers overseas to go to war with a large empire. Eventually they realize that trade us much more profitable than war. And to the whole rice farming thing, that's not all of it. From the mid-700s we'd be focusing much more heavily on farming, causing a larger population boom over a much larger period of time, but rice helps too I guess. We'd have the resources to conquer up to the Great Lakes but as I've said, we sure as he'll couldn't sustain it. I know we'd lose against Europeans, even with Japanese aid, but it wouldn't be an easy war at all for the Europeans. And about the Progressiveness of the people, we've had hundreds if years to work on it that we're missing. The current king (pre-time skip) is starting to question the existence of the gods. The next will start the two hundred year shift from polytheistic beliefs to painting themselves as gods, similar to the pharaohs of Egypt. When the Japanese arrived we'd see a mixture of this belief system and Buddhism, which I'm still trying to work the kinks out of. Gotta go for a bit.

How much of a population boom are you thinking of? Also, you have a very different religious belief system from Buddhism and will have to figure out a way to remove human sacrifices from your beliefs. For the expansion to the Great Lakes, I guess you could do that, not many people live there. However, it will be lost once the Europeans arrive.
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Postby Nuverikstan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:20 pm

Apror wrote:
Nuverikstan wrote:But some form of Papacy exists. He couldn't conquer Rome, without all Catholics killing him. And if France didn't answer the call, you know dang well that the priests would stir up the commoners, dukes and barons, against your leadership.

No, I mean the Papacy decided to have his Nation be it's state. And of course I'd answer the call. *Deus Vult intensifies as he baths in Saracen blood reads the Bible*

The Pope wouldn't do that. Why not leave the unification of Italy, for the 1800s? Europe can't just be a nation of empires, there has got to be small nations, too. That is why I will not accept a united Germany.
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Postby Skogarstrond » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:24 pm

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Skogarstrond wrote:Japan and I have talked about this and the simple answer is: transportation. The Europeans, being a few hundred years later, had the means to send large amounts of men long distances to fight. The Pacific Ocean, however, is much larger and the route is even longer, going around the Pacific Rim. They simply don't have the resources to send a large amount of soldiers overseas to go to war with a large empire. Eventually they realize that trade us much more profitable than war. And to the whole rice farming thing, that's not all of it. From the mid-700s we'd be focusing much more heavily on farming, causing a larger population boom over a much larger period of time, but rice helps too I guess. We'd have the resources to conquer up to the Great Lakes but as I've said, we sure as he'll couldn't sustain it. I know we'd lose against Europeans, even with Japanese aid, but it wouldn't be an easy war at all for the Europeans. And about the Progressiveness of the people, we've had hundreds if years to work on it that we're missing. The current king (pre-time skip) is starting to question the existence of the gods. The next will start the two hundred year shift from polytheistic beliefs to painting themselves as gods, similar to the pharaohs of Egypt. When the Japanese arrived we'd see a mixture of this belief system and Buddhism, which I'm still trying to work the kinks out of. Gotta go for a bit.

How much of a population boom are you thinking of? Also, you have a very different religious belief system from Buddhism and will have to figure out a way to remove human sacrifices from your beliefs. For the expansion to the Great Lakes, I guess you could do that, not many people live there. However, it will be lost once the Europeans arrive.

A slow shift from human sacrifice to animal sacrifice as a result of the "pharaohs" taking religious authority. Caused by their disbelief in the gods in the first place

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Postby Nuxipal » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:24 pm

Apror wrote:
Nuverikstan wrote:If we are start in 1350, that would mean the Mongols still attacked. You could say, that when the Mongol empire split apart, they put the Zoroastrian lineage on the throne.

The world lived in peace......but everything changed when the Mongols attacked. (If you get my reference, awesome)


Would it be possible to pay off the Mongol Horde and not invade South East Asia?
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Postby Nuverikstan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:31 pm

Nuxipal wrote:
Apror wrote:The world lived in peace......but everything changed when the Mongols attacked. (If you get my reference, awesome)


Would it be possible to pay off the Mongol Horde and not invade South East Asia?

Not really, they kinda wanna rule the world.
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Postby Paradiox » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:39 pm

I, Prussia, will unite the Germanic people. If I have to kill a ten thousand men to do so, drain Europe of its blood, and burn a hole in the world, so be it. Through fire and steel, I will unite... do not stand in my way.

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Postby Paradiox » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:54 pm

There is one enemy of our people, one threat to civilization and our way of life. Hunnic State of Babylon, the enemy of the Germanic people. These heretics would lay waste to our great empires, and topple the church and defile our temples. An enemy to our homes, to our people, and to our God. Any Germanic, Prussian, and man of God should join us in this war for both our souls and our land. We will march across the Continent to face these Bastards, and those who oppose us, oppose God himself.

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Postby Paradiox » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:36 pm

Nuverikstan

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Postby Skogarstrond » Sat Mar 18, 2017 10:54 pm

So we're time jumping to 1350?

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Postby Skogarstrond » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:08 pm

If so, here's my proposed map for the Mayan Empire at the time with the given backstory. Please respond with objections, there will no doubt be some

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Oops, forgot to actually post the map the first time I posted the message
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Postby Paradiox » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:26 pm

Skogarstrond wrote:So we're time jumping to 1350?


yes

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Postby Nuverikstan » Sat Mar 18, 2017 11:29 pm

Skogarstrond wrote:If so, here's my proposed map for the Mayan Empire at the time with the given backstory. Please respond with objections, there will no doubt be some



Oops, forgot to actually post the map the first time I posted the message

I don't know about South America, but I think it will be fine. However, once the natives of these regions acquire your weapons, they will begin using them against you. This will start to make your empire weak, and you will start to loose some land.
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Postby Skogarstrond » Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:17 am

Nuverikstan wrote:
Skogarstrond wrote:If so, here's my proposed map for the Mayan Empire at the time with the given backstory. Please respond with objections, there will no doubt be some



Oops, forgot to actually post the map the first time I posted the message

I don't know about South America, but I think it will be fine. However, once the natives of these regions acquire your weapons, they will begin using them against you. This will start to make your empire weak, and you will start to loose some land.

Yeah, that's why I've planned on and off guerrilla wars with the Incas

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Oh BTW I'm still here guys lol I've just been super busy with Life
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Postby Apror » Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:28 am

White Bluff wrote:Oh BTW I'm still here guys lol I've just been super busy with Life

Welcome back. Muslim Egypt anybody?
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Postby Talandy » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:18 am

Nuverikstan wrote:https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=182KjtQD3y2_lj-4C4GNAC-HvUQI&ll=11.986813319221156%2C-88.42680962341302&z=3

Here is the current map.

Eh, close enough

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Postby Talandy » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:19 am

Talandy wrote:
Nuverikstan wrote:https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=182KjtQD3y2_lj-4C4GNAC-HvUQI&ll=11.986813319221156%2C-88.42680962341302&z=3

Here is the current map.

Eh, close enough

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Postby Skogarstrond » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:20 am

Talandy wrote:
Talandy wrote:Eh, close enough

Accidentally posted as my puppet

Okay wtf it said I was logged in as Skogarstrond this time

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Postby Skogarstrond » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:22 am

Nuverikstan wrote:https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=182KjtQD3y2_lj-4C4GNAC-HvUQI&ll=11.986813319221156%2C-88.42680962341302&z=3

Here is the current map.

I'm pretty sure Japan will have a few objections but eh, I'll let him argue about it

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Postby Republic Of Varra » Sun Mar 19, 2017 11:23 am

Ah. So we're reviving this?

And on the map, my only real gripes would be Sakhalin, Taiwan, and California. Sakhalin, because it's right there. And California because of the Maya conflict. Perhaps color the area differently to indicate there's a war going to go on soon? (We already spoke about this privately in real life). China and I have also spoke about the matters at hand and have concluded that I would get the pacific islands while he would acquire mainland Asia. Meaning that Taiwan would be under my jurisdiction.
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