After The Roman Collapse- RP OOC (OPEN, ACCEPTING APP)

[Apror]

Nah, we want to get to the Good shit. (Colonies), besides I'd suspect this is around the time the Aztec start to come to power. You can have a war with the Aztecs, who I will play as, or Nuverikstan, and we will eventually get to you. (Probably me or Japan first.)

Well the thing is, the Aztecs never would have existed if the Mayans never fell. I'm planning on maybe a war with the Incas but not the Aztecs. Also, the reason I'd like a 1200s-ish time period is because for a while, Japan and I have been planning the Japanese discovery of the Americas around late 1100s (by way of the Aleutians) and slowly make their way down the coast, mowing through native tribes on the way, until they encounter us in the mid 1200s around the San Francisco bay area, both of us think the other is just another native tribe, and we war.

That doesn't sound bad, though couldn't that just have been put off for a century, then you War in the 1300s, and in the 1400s war with the Incas?

[Skogarstrond]

Well the thing is, the Aztecs never would have existed if the Mayans never fell. I'm planning on maybe a war with the Incas but not the Aztecs. Also, the reason I'd like a 1200s-ish time period is because for a while, Japan and I have been planning the Japanese discovery of the Americas around late 1100s (by way of the Aleutians) and slowly make their way down the coast, mowing through native tribes on the way, until they encounter us in the mid 1200s around the San Francisco bay area, both of us think the other is just another native tribe, and we war.

That doesn't sound bad, though couldn't that just have been put off for a century, then you War in the 1300s, and in the 1400s war with the Incas?

The way I'd been imagining it was that in the 1200s we war for a while but end up to a stalemate slightly favoring the Japanese (because technology). In the late 1200s we begin to trade and soon enough by the early 1300s trade is booming with tons of New World resources (like potatoes, corn, and many other foods) being shipped around the Pacific Rim to Japan, and Japanese gunpowder horses, and ships (or at least the idea of ships) being shipped to the Americas (no pun intended). With the aid of each other we see a major economic boom in Japan and a practical Golden Age in Maya with rapid expansion throughout the plains and the jungle. Soon enough, in the late 1300s we encounter the Incas. We try trading for a while, attempt to make them a vassal state, but once they grow stronger war breaks out. We see a massively on and off guerilla war between the Mayans and the Incas throughout the 1400s leading up to the arrival of Europe, while also seeing the Mayans reach a peak land area pushing all the way up to the Great Lakes and taking the entire Caribbean. Europe arrives and we get massively weakened by diseases while our Japanese allies help us fight off European invaders. That is if we don't just blow the head off of the Columbus equivalent with a cannon.

[Apror]

That doesn't sound bad, though couldn't that just have been put off for a century, then you War in the 1300s, and in the 1400s war with the Incas?

The way I'd been imagining it was that in the 1200s we war for a while but end up to a stalemate slightly favoring the Japanese (because technology). In the late 1200s we begin to trade and soon enough by the early 1300s trade is booming with tons of New World resources (like potatoes, corn, and many other foods) being shipped around the Pacific Rim to Japan, and Japanese gunpowder horses, and ships (or at least the idea of ships) being shipped to the Americas (no pun intended). With the aid of each other we see a major economic boom in Japan and a practical Golden Age in Maya with rapid expansion throughout the plains and the jungle. Soon enough, in the late 1300s we encounter the Incas. We try trading for a while, attempt to make them a vassal state, but once they grow stronger war breaks out. We see a massively on and off guerilla war between the Mayans and the Incas throughout the 1400s leading up to the arrival of Europe, while also seeing the Mayans reach a peak land area pushing all the way up to the Great Lakes and taking the entire Caribbean. Europe arrives and we get massively weakened by diseases while our Japanese allies help us fight off European invaders. That is if we don't just blow the head off of the Columbus equivalent with a cannon.

I don't see expansion up to the Great Lakes, but having control over Mexico, expansion into South America and a bit into the United States, I could see that. And remember your small population as of now, so that's another advantage to the Japanese. Besides that, I don't see too much of a problem here.

[Nuverikstan]

That doesn't sound bad, though couldn't that just have been put off for a century, then you War in the 1300s, and in the 1400s war with the Incas?

The way I'd been imagining it was that in the 1200s we war for a while but end up to a stalemate slightly favoring the Japanese (because technology). In the late 1200s we begin to trade and soon enough by the early 1300s trade is booming with tons of New World resources (like potatoes, corn, and many other foods) being shipped around the Pacific Rim to Japan, and Japanese gunpowder horses, and ships (or at least the idea of ships) being shipped to the Americas (no pun intended). With the aid of each other we see a major economic boom in Japan and a practical Golden Age in Maya with rapid expansion throughout the plains and the jungle. Soon enough, in the late 1300s we encounter the Incas. We try trading for a while, attempt to make them a vassal state, but once they grow stronger war breaks out. We see a massively on and off guerilla war between the Mayans and the Incas throughout the 1400s leading up to the arrival of Europe, while also seeing the Mayans reach a peak land area pushing all the way up to the Great Lakes and taking the entire Caribbean. Europe arrives and we get massively weakened by diseases while our Japanese allies help us fight off European invaders. That is if we don't just blow the head off of the Columbus equivalent with a cannon.

I do not think it makes sense to conquer all the way to the great lakes. Maybe into Texas and Colombia, but any farther would be a stretch. Conquest of some Caribbean islands would be possible, but it would take a while, and you could not blow the head off of Columbus with a cannon, you wouldn't have gotten those from the Japs. They only knew of incredibly basic Chinese gunpowder weaponry and would not begin using matchlocks, until the 16th and 17th Century. Plus, European diseases would still cripple your people. In the end, if you do meet up with Japan, you will be able to stem off European conquest in Mexico, but they will still spread to other regions.

[Apror]

The way I'd been imagining it was that in the 1200s we war for a while but end up to a stalemate slightly favoring the Japanese (because technology). In the late 1200s we begin to trade and soon enough by the early 1300s trade is booming with tons of New World resources (like potatoes, corn, and many other foods) being shipped around the Pacific Rim to Japan, and Japanese gunpowder horses, and ships (or at least the idea of ships) being shipped to the Americas (no pun intended). With the aid of each other we see a major economic boom in Japan and a practical Golden Age in Maya with rapid expansion throughout the plains and the jungle. Soon enough, in the late 1300s we encounter the Incas. We try trading for a while, attempt to make them a vassal state, but once they grow stronger war breaks out. We see a massively on and off guerilla war between the Mayans and the Incas throughout the 1400s leading up to the arrival of Europe, while also seeing the Mayans reach a peak land area pushing all the way up to the Great Lakes and taking the entire Caribbean. Europe arrives and we get massively weakened by diseases while our Japanese allies help us fight off European invaders. That is if we don't just blow the head off of the Columbus equivalent with a cannon.

I do not think it makes sense to conquer all the way to the great lakes. Maybe into Texas and Colombia, but any farther would be a stretch. Conquest of some Caribbean islands would be possible, but it would take a while, and you could not blow the head off of Columbus with a cannon, you wouldn't have gotten those from the Japs. They only knew of incredibly basic Chinese gunpowder weaponry and would not begin using matchlocks, until the 16th and 17th Century. Plus, European diseases would still cripple your people. In the end, if you do meet up with Japan, you will be able to stem off European conquest in Mexico, but they will still spread to other regions.

Well, he put the nail in it. I'm going to be focusing in North America and the Carribian, so I won't be to focused with you, however Rome may feel differently

[Skogarstrond]

The way I'd been imagining it was that in the 1200s we war for a while but end up to a stalemate slightly favoring the Japanese (because technology). In the late 1200s we begin to trade and soon enough by the early 1300s trade is booming with tons of New World resources (like potatoes, corn, and many other foods) being shipped around the Pacific Rim to Japan, and Japanese gunpowder horses, and ships (or at least the idea of ships) being shipped to the Americas (no pun intended). With the aid of each other we see a major economic boom in Japan and a practical Golden Age in Maya with rapid expansion throughout the plains and the jungle. Soon enough, in the late 1300s we encounter the Incas. We try trading for a while, attempt to make them a vassal state, but once they grow stronger war breaks out. We see a massively on and off guerilla war between the Mayans and the Incas throughout the 1400s leading up to the arrival of Europe, while also seeing the Mayans reach a peak land area pushing all the way up to the Great Lakes and taking the entire Caribbean. Europe arrives and we get massively weakened by diseases while our Japanese allies help us fight off European invaders. That is if we don't just blow the head off of the Columbus equivalent with a cannon.

I don't see expansion up to the Great Lakes, but having control over Mexico, expansion into South America and a bit into the United States, I could see that. And remember your small population as of now, so that's another advantage to the Japanese. Besides that, I don't see too much of a problem here.

Well keep in mind we're skipping hundreds of years of history, in which I was planning on focusing an extremely large amount on farming and education, causing a large population boom, not to mention the populations if our new territories. By the time the Japanese arrived we'd have central America, Mexico, and western California up to the San Francisco bay. With the arrival of gunpowder, new military ideas, horses, and an even larger population boom due to a much better economy, we could see massive Mayan superiority over the rest of the native population, but once we get to the great lakes and with the arrival if European diseases we are unable to sustain it and fall back to like Oklahoma-ish

[Skogarstrond]

The way I'd been imagining it was that in the 1200s we war for a while but end up to a stalemate slightly favoring the Japanese (because technology). In the late 1200s we begin to trade and soon enough by the early 1300s trade is booming with tons of New World resources (like potatoes, corn, and many other foods) being shipped around the Pacific Rim to Japan, and Japanese gunpowder horses, and ships (or at least the idea of ships) being shipped to the Americas (no pun intended). With the aid of each other we see a major economic boom in Japan and a practical Golden Age in Maya with rapid expansion throughout the plains and the jungle. Soon enough, in the late 1300s we encounter the Incas. We try trading for a while, attempt to make them a vassal state, but once they grow stronger war breaks out. We see a massively on and off guerilla war between the Mayans and the Incas throughout the 1400s leading up to the arrival of Europe, while also seeing the Mayans reach a peak land area pushing all the way up to the Great Lakes and taking the entire Caribbean. Europe arrives and we get massively weakened by diseases while our Japanese allies help us fight off European invaders. That is if we don't just blow the head off of the Columbus equivalent with a cannon.

I do not think it makes sense to conquer all the way to the great lakes. Maybe into Texas and Colombia, but any farther would be a stretch. Conquest of some Caribbean islands would be possible, but it would take a while, and you could not blow the head off of Columbus with a cannon, you wouldn't have gotten those from the Japs. They only knew of incredibly basic Chinese gunpowder weaponry and would not begin using matchlocks, until the 16th and 17th Century. Plus, European diseases would still cripple your people. In the end, if you do meet up with Japan, you will be able to stem off European conquest in Mexico, but they will still spread to other regions.

Okay maybe not cannons but still the rest. Our population would be high while the rest would be low, making it easier to conquer, but not to sustain. And I'm not disagreeing with the European diseases crippling us, but then we'd have Japanese aid.

[Nuxipal]

I was planning on having China re-install the Persian Zoroastrian Rulers during or right before the Crusades period. I wasn't just toting around a Persian Prince for shits and giggles..

[Nuverikstan]

I don't see expansion up to the Great Lakes, but having control over Mexico, expansion into South America and a bit into the United States, I could see that. And remember your small population as of now, so that's another advantage to the Japanese. Besides that, I don't see too much of a problem here.

Well keep in mind we're skipping hundreds of years of history, in which I was planning on focusing an extremely large amount on farming and education, causing a large population boom, not to mention the populations if our new territories. By the time the Japanese arrived we'd have central America, Mexico, and western California up to the San Francisco bay. With the arrival of gunpowder, new military ideas, horses, and an even larger population boom due to a much better economy, we could see massive Mayan superiority over the rest of the native population, but once we get to the great lakes and with the arrival if European diseases we are unable to sustain it and fall back to like Oklahoma-ish

Expansion into Northern California and Oklahoma is a bit of a stretch, but rice farming and other techniques would provide a population boom, but nothing crazy. However, the question is how well will your people adapt, and will Japan be able to set aside some of the Maya's beliefs to befriend them? It never matters how progressive your leader is, it is how progressive are your people?

[Apror]

I do not think it makes sense to conquer all the way to the great lakes. Maybe into Texas and Colombia, but any farther would be a stretch. Conquest of some Caribbean islands would be possible, but it would take a while, and you could not blow the head off of Columbus with a cannon, you wouldn't have gotten those from the Japs. They only knew of incredibly basic Chinese gunpowder weaponry and would not begin using matchlocks, until the 16th and 17th Century. Plus, European diseases would still cripple your people. In the end, if you do meet up with Japan, you will be able to stem off European conquest in Mexico, but they will still spread to other regions.

Okay maybe not cannons but still the rest. Our population would be high while the rest would be low, making it easier to conquer, but not to sustain. And I'm not disagreeing with the European diseases crippling us, but then we'd have Japanese aid.

Depending on how much aid, and if they tried, we'd still win out, but not the overwhelming conquest like our timeline. You however would probably be susceptible to more European than Japanese influences.

[Nuverikstan]

I do not think it makes sense to conquer all the way to the great lakes. Maybe into Texas and Colombia, but any farther would be a stretch. Conquest of some Caribbean islands would be possible, but it would take a while, and you could not blow the head off of Columbus with a cannon, you wouldn't have gotten those from the Japs. They only knew of incredibly basic Chinese gunpowder weaponry and would not begin using matchlocks, until the 16th and 17th Century. Plus, European diseases would still cripple your people. In the end, if you do meet up with Japan, you will be able to stem off European conquest in Mexico, but they will still spread to other regions.

Okay maybe not cannons but still the rest. Our population would be high while the rest would be low, making it easier to conquer, but not to sustain. And I'm not disagreeing with the European diseases crippling us, but then we'd have Japanese aid.

I know, I am just letting you know that it will still be an uphill battle against the Europeans. Plus, I don't know how much aid the Japanese can provide.

[Apror]

Well keep in mind we're skipping hundreds of years of history, in which I was planning on focusing an extremely large amount on farming and education, causing a large population boom, not to mention the populations if our new territories. By the time the Japanese arrived we'd have central America, Mexico, and western California up to the San Francisco bay. With the arrival of gunpowder, new military ideas, horses, and an even larger population boom due to a much better economy, we could see massive Mayan superiority over the rest of the native population, but once we get to the great lakes and with the arrival if European diseases we are unable to sustain it and fall back to like Oklahoma-ish

Expansion into Northern California and Oklahoma is a bit of a stretch, but rice farming and other techniques would provide a population boom, but nothing crazy. However, the question is how well will your people adapt, and will Japan be able to set aside some of the Maya's beliefs to befriend them? It never matters how progressive your leader is, it is how progressive are your people?

That is a good question. Why wouldn't the Japanese, with superior technology and more people, who think themselves superior, not just outright conquer the Maya's, or attempt to like the Europeans.

[Paradiox]

I am nuverikstan's "friend", when is the next time jump? I was thinking about joining

[Nuverikstan]

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid= ... 125008&z=4

This is what I've got so far, if you think your nation is too big or too small, tell me.

[Apror]

I am nuverikstan's "friend", when is the next time jump? I was thinking about joining

Probably 1350. If that's the case, what Nations are you interested in. Give me a suggestion. Basically I'm about to free up a lot of land, or maybe a Muslim state.

[Lutelisk]

I do not think it makes sense to conquer all the way to the great lakes. Maybe into Texas and Colombia, but any farther would be a stretch. Conquest of some Caribbean islands would be possible, but it would take a while, and you could not blow the head off of Columbus with a cannon, you wouldn't have gotten those from the Japs. They only knew of incredibly basic Chinese gunpowder weaponry and would not begin using matchlocks, until the 16th and 17th Century. Plus, European diseases would still cripple your people. In the end, if you do meet up with Japan, you will be able to stem off European conquest in Mexico, but they will still spread to other regions.

Okay maybe not cannons but still the rest. Our population would be high while the rest would be low, making it easier to conquer, but not to sustain. And I'm not disagreeing with the European diseases crippling us, but then we'd have Japanese aid.

[Apror]

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=182KjtQD3y2_lj-4C4GNAC-HvUQI&ll=26.659539847318115%2C28.883056328125008&z=4

This is what I've got so far, if you think your nation is too big or too small, tell me.

France wants Switzerland, and I feel maybe Italy should be united (except for French Italy) or maybe get him Rome and the papacy. He'd probably like that.

[Apror]

Okay maybe not cannons but still the rest. Our population would be high while the rest would be low, making it easier to conquer, but not to sustain. And I'm not disagreeing with the European diseases crippling us, but then we'd have Japanese aid.

Have you come to Hagal good sir? Actually, Scandinavia is open.

[Nuverikstan]

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=182KjtQD3y2_lj-4C4GNAC-HvUQI&ll=26.659539847318115%2C28.883056328125008&z=4

This is what I've got so far, if you think your nation is too big or too small, tell me.

France wants Switzerland, and I feel maybe Italy should be united (except for French Italy) or maybe get him Rome and the papacy. He'd probably like that.

Switzerland? I don't know, that's kind of hard to take. Also, I don't think a united Italy makes sense in this time period.

[Nuverikstan]

Have you come to Hagal good sir? Actually, Scandinavia is open.

Who is Lutelisk?

[Apror]

France wants Switzerland, and I feel maybe Italy should be united (except for French Italy) or maybe get him Rome and the papacy. He'd probably like that.

Switzerland? I don't know, that's kind of hard to take. Also, I don't think a united Italy makes sense in this time period.

At least give him Rome, and as far as that, we had it as the Franks, we somehow kept it as France. Pretty sure the Romans took it took, though I don't remember

[Nuxipal]

So would it have been possible (if the arab nation collasped) for a Zoroastrian Shahanshah to be re-established with Chinese aid? Making Persia a tributary (not vassal) of the Tianzi Dynasty?

[Nuverikstan]

Switzerland? I don't know, that's kind of hard to take. Also, I don't think a united Italy makes sense in this time period.

At least give him Rome, and as far as that, we had it as the Franks, we somehow kept it as France. Pretty sure the Romans took it took, though I don't remember

But some form of Papacy exists. He couldn't conquer Rome, without all Catholics killing him. And if France didn't answer the call, you know dang well that the priests would stir up the commoners, dukes and barons, against your leadership.

[Apror]

So would it have been possible (if the arab nation collasped) for a Zoroastrian Shahanshah to be re-established with Chinese aid? Making Persia a tributary (not vassal) of the Tianzi Dynasty?

Ummmm, I'm going to let Nuverikstan answer that one.

[Paradiox]

I am nuverikstan's "friend", when is the next time jump? I was thinking about joining

Probably 1350. If that's the case, what Nations are you interested in. Give me a suggestion. Basically I'm about to free up a lot of land, or maybe a Muslim state.

Prussia