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NewLakotah
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Postby NewLakotah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 9:40 am

Chkalovsk II wrote:
Chewion wrote:No they "fired first" by crossing the border and running tanks at our coalition in international law they provoked it and we defended ourselves.

Since Kurdish territory isnt an internationally recognised state, wouldn't it de jure count as Syrian territory?

Which means NATO forces need the permission of the Syrian government to legally operate there (paramount to the situation irl).

Which means Canadian forces are de jure illegally operating in Kurdistan which means they're hold accountable.

International Humanitarian Rights Laws can apply to this situations. We are in a "independent" state. Much like how Russia declared the same thing during the Russo-Georgian War with South Ossetia. So even though it is not entirely recognized by the whole world, the humanitarian issue can still be applied as a means for intervention.

Secondly, legally speaking, while Turkey did not fire first, they provoked an attacked by not listened to repeated warnings that an attack would come. So, this is a grey area for sure, both sides have actual law and rights on their sides

EDIT: How are you trying to descalate the situation by BOMBING CANADA. That is an act of war. Therefore war will have to be declared. If the United States ain't going to back us up. welp it'll be a shit war.
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Postby Gyrenaica » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:32 am

Russia should invade British Columbia

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Postby Apror » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:32 am

Oh shit, are we getting to ww3 already? That escalated
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Postby NewLakotah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:36 am

Apror wrote:Oh shit, are we getting to ww3 already? That escalated

I told him, he can have peace when he stops bombing my guys. Until then, I will try and protect my men from being killed. I'm not going to let them die. That's sick.
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Postby Chewion » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:47 am

NewLakotah wrote:
Apror wrote:Oh shit, are we getting to ww3 already? That escalated

I told him, he can have peace when he stops bombing my guys. Until then, I will try and protect my men from being killed. I'm not going to let them die. That's sick.

I'm placing a hold on this until it's fixed. This has become unrealistic.
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NewLakotah
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Postby NewLakotah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:50 am

Chewion wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:I told him, he can have peace when he stops bombing my guys. Until then, I will try and protect my men from being killed. I'm not going to let them die. That's sick.

I'm placing a hold on this until it's fixed. This has become unrealistic.

Why? What are you planning on doing?
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Postby Kim Jong Xenon » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:56 am

NewLakotah wrote:
Chewion wrote:I'm placing a hold on this until it's fixed. This has become unrealistic.

Why? What are you planning on doing?

Turkey and Russia working together, turkey supporting Syria, North Korea getting super beefed by Russia

It's insane

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Postby Laeuwen » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:58 am

Ill be back in 2-3 hours.

Canada are you sure you wanna do this?
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Postby Apror » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:58 am

Kim Jong Xenon wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:Why? What are you planning on doing?

Turkey and Russia working together, turkey supporting Syria, North Korea getting super beefed by Russia

It's insane

Korea hasn't replied to me......
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Postby NewLakotah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:59 am

Laeuwen wrote:Ill be back in 2-3 hours.

Canada are you sure you wanna do this?

Do what? What do you mean? You attacked me, remember? Not the other way around
Kim Jong Xenon wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:Why? What are you planning on doing?

Turkey and Russia working together, turkey supporting Syria, North Korea getting super beefed by Russia

It's insane


IT is pretty insane, but a lot of it is so far gone and it happened. You can't just up and change it.
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Postby Laeuwen » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:00 am

Chewion wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:I told him, he can have peace when he stops bombing my guys. Until then, I will try and protect my men from being killed. I'm not going to let them die. That's sick.

I'm placing a hold on this until it's fixed. This has become unrealistic.

Canada attacked CSTO forces, Russian assets that were available moved to neutralize the threat. I dont see what the problem is here.
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Postby Apror » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:02 am

Laeuwen wrote:
Chewion wrote:I'm placing a hold on this until it's fixed. This has become unrealistic.

Canada attacked CSTO forces, Russian assets that were available moved to neutralize the threat. I dont see what the problem is here.

The problem is you attacked America's hat. Canada is no problem in itself, but I doubt America could stay out of this.
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Postby Laeuwen » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:02 am

NewLakotah wrote:
Laeuwen wrote:Ill be back in 2-3 hours.

Canada are you sure you wanna do this?

Do what? What do you mean? You attacked me, remember? Not the other way around
Kim Jong Xenon wrote:Turkey and Russia working together, turkey supporting Syria, North Korea getting super beefed by Russia

It's insane


IT is pretty insane, but a lot of it is so far gone and it happened. You can't just up and change it.

You attacked CSTO forces first, Russia responded accordingly and neutralized the active threat. I dont see what the problem is here. I dont want to invade Canada but if you continue attacking you leave me with no choice. There is still room for diplomacy.
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Postby NewLakotah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:03 am

Apror wrote:
Laeuwen wrote:Canada attacked CSTO forces, Russian assets that were available moved to neutralize the threat. I dont see what the problem is here.

The problem is you attacked America's hat. Canada is no problem in itself, but I doubt America could stay out of this.

Yeah, but they are. American left Canada out to dry. But still, the engagements are limited, no one here is talking about WW3 at all.
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Postby Laeuwen » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:03 am

Apror wrote:
Laeuwen wrote:Canada attacked CSTO forces, Russian assets that were available moved to neutralize the threat. I dont see what the problem is here.

The problem is you attacked America's hat. Canada is no problem in itself, but I doubt America could stay out of this.

Canada attacked my boot.
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Postby Apror » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:04 am

NewLakotah wrote:
Apror wrote:The problem is you attacked America's hat. Canada is no problem in itself, but I doubt America could stay out of this.

Yeah, but they are. American left Canada out to dry. But still, the engagements are limited, no one here is talking about WW3 at all.

Well, let's hope they stay limited......
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Postby NewLakotah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:05 am

Laeuwen wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:Do what? What do you mean? You attacked me, remember? Not the other way around


IT is pretty insane, but a lot of it is so far gone and it happened. You can't just up and change it.

You attacked CSTO forces first, Russia responded accordingly and neutralized the active threat. I dont see what the problem is here. I dont want to invade Canada but if you continue attacking you leave me with no choice. There is still room for diplomacy.

You want to INVADE CANDA. That would be far tooo far. That would result in WW3. If you want WW3, then go for it. That is the funeral of this. However, I am pretty sure nukes are not allowed in this RP.... But either way, why would you want to do that? That's ridiculous to get to that conclusion.

Secondly, you are ATTACKING me now, I have a right to defend myself. If you continue to bomb my men I will target those that are bombing my men and attacking me. That's within my legal right. That hasn't happened yet. Instead you said "lets deescalate" and them BOMB me. That's the dumb thing, right there.
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Postby Apror » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:07 am

NewLakotah wrote:
Laeuwen wrote:You attacked CSTO forces first, Russia responded accordingly and neutralized the active threat. I dont see what the problem is here. I dont want to invade Canada but if you continue attacking you leave me with no choice. There is still room for diplomacy.

You want to INVADE CANDA. That would be far tooo far. That would result in WW3. If you want WW3, then go for it. That is the funeral of this. However, I am pretty sure nukes are not allowed in this RP.... But either way, why would you want to do that? That's ridiculous to get to that conclusion.

Secondly, you are ATTACKING me now, I have a right to defend myself. If you continue to bomb my men I will target those that are bombing my men and attacking me. That's within my legal right. That hasn't happened yet. Instead you said "lets deescalate" and them BOMB me. That's the dumb thing, right there.

Please don't start wwiii my dude, that doesn't sound good for China.
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NewLakotah
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Postby NewLakotah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:07 am

Apror wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:Yeah, but they are. American left Canada out to dry. But still, the engagements are limited, no one here is talking about WW3 at all.

Well, let's hope they stay limited......

I was trying to. I thought Turkey was just doing its thing. I didn't think they would actually do it. Then, I didn't think that Russia would decide to bomb the hell out of Canadian forces. That's escalation on two points against CSTO they are the ones who apparently want the war. not me.
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Postby Apror » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:08 am

NewLakotah wrote:
Apror wrote:Well, let's hope they stay limited......

I was trying to. I thought Turkey was just doing its thing. I didn't think they would actually do it. Then, I didn't think that Russia would decide to bomb the hell out of Canadian forces. That's escalation on two points against CSTO they are the ones who apparently want the war. not me.

I think I need to make more Forces modernized fast.
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Postby NewLakotah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:08 am

Apror wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:You want to INVADE CANDA. That would be far tooo far. That would result in WW3. If you want WW3, then go for it. That is the funeral of this. However, I am pretty sure nukes are not allowed in this RP.... But either way, why would you want to do that? That's ridiculous to get to that conclusion.

Secondly, you are ATTACKING me now, I have a right to defend myself. If you continue to bomb my men I will target those that are bombing my men and attacking me. That's within my legal right. That hasn't happened yet. Instead you said "lets deescalate" and them BOMB me. That's the dumb thing, right there.

Please don't start wwiii my dude, that doesn't sound good for China.

I don't want wwIII that would be terrible. All I wanted was an independent Kurdistan. And to defeat ISIS. That's it, but to Russia and Turkey that was too much trouble for them so they decided to kill Canadians.
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Postby Laeuwen » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:09 am

NewLakotah wrote:
Laeuwen wrote:You attacked CSTO forces first, Russia responded accordingly and neutralized the active threat. I dont see what the problem is here. I dont want to invade Canada but if you continue attacking you leave me with no choice. There is still room for diplomacy.

You want to INVADE CANDA. That would be far tooo far. That would result in WW3. If you want WW3, then go for it. That is the funeral of this. However, I am pretty sure nukes are not allowed in this RP.... But either way, why would you want to do that? That's ridiculous to get to that conclusion.

Secondly, you are ATTACKING me now, I have a right to defend myself. If you continue to bomb my men I will target those that are bombing my men and attacking me. That's within my legal right. That hasn't happened yet. Instead you said "lets deescalate" and them BOMB me. That's the dumb thing, right there.

If Canadians launched a counter attack against Russian forces all over Syria and redirected forces from Iraq into Syria then yes, I would prepare to invade Canada as soon as possible. The Russian warplanes are going to pull back from bombing Canadian troops as soon as im able to put a proper post up (2-3 hours).

The ball is in your court, not mine.
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Postby NewLakotah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:09 am

Apror wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:I was trying to. I thought Turkey was just doing its thing. I didn't think they would actually do it. Then, I didn't think that Russia would decide to bomb the hell out of Canadian forces. That's escalation on two points against CSTO they are the ones who apparently want the war. not me.

I think I need to make more Forces modernized fast.

But you are still apart of OUR Coaliton. You have 40,000 men in Iraq, right? Not saying you should get involved. ON the contrary stay as far away as possible. However, you are apart of OUR team.
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Postby NewLakotah » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:12 am

Laeuwen wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:You want to INVADE CANDA. That would be far tooo far. That would result in WW3. If you want WW3, then go for it. That is the funeral of this. However, I am pretty sure nukes are not allowed in this RP.... But either way, why would you want to do that? That's ridiculous to get to that conclusion.

Secondly, you are ATTACKING me now, I have a right to defend myself. If you continue to bomb my men I will target those that are bombing my men and attacking me. That's within my legal right. That hasn't happened yet. Instead you said "lets deescalate" and them BOMB me. That's the dumb thing, right there.

If Canadians launched a counter attack against Russian forces all over Syria and redirected forces from Iraq into Syria then yes, I would prepare to invade Canada as soon as possible. The Russian warplanes are going to pull back from bombing Canadian troops as soon as im able to put a proper post up (2-3 hours).

The ball is in your court, not mine.

Well, invade Canada all you want. Russia's military is not strong enough to do so. Their economy is in collapse, and they would not be the defenders but the invaders. They would not get the sympathy of the world, like they sort of do now. America and Australia, and whats left of NATO would defeat Russia, since their would be no authorization to call for a DEFENSE since its an ATTACK, or more precisely an invasion. But, I do not want world war iii. Lets try NOT to have this happen.
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Postby Laeuwen » Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:13 am

NewLakotah wrote:
Apror wrote:Well, let's hope they stay limited......

I was trying to. I thought Turkey was just doing its thing. I didn't think they would actually do it. Then, I didn't think that Russia would decide to bomb the hell out of Canadian forces. That's escalation on two points against CSTO they are the ones who apparently want the war. not me.

The majority of strikes hit Kurdish positions near Raqqah and Tabqa, you were attacked by 12 Su-30's. You fired on Turkish forces first and the planes were originally sent to attack the American planes pressuming Canada would flee at the sight of Russians. Given that the Americans pulled out but the engagement continued, Russian planes hit your forces. Also Kurdish forces attacked Turkish forces near Tabqa, which is why I carpet bombed them near Raqqah and Tabqa.
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