Warfare 2017-OOC-Open-Reboot-Accepting Applications

[Chewion]

Turkey you know since you left NATO you get no F-35's.

[San Regada]

So err, anyone from NATO/Canada-led coalition wanna respond to my statement.

Also, does NATO have a primary base of operations in Iraq?

If yes, what's the name? Because my guys are landing there.

[NewLakotah]

So err, anyone from NATO/Canada-led coalition wanna respond to my statement.

Also, does NATO have a primary base of operations in Iraq?

If yes, what's the name? Because my guys are landing there.

On mobile and at work so can't really get a full reply. Main bases are in Kurdistan and Baghdad. And it's not NATO bases, since NATO doesn't have to fight in this and most chose not to. Its a Caolition of China, US and Canada.

[San Regada]

So err, anyone from NATO/Canada-led coalition wanna respond to my statement.

Also, does NATO have a primary base of operations in Iraq?

If yes, what's the name? Because my guys are landing there.

On mobile and at work so can't really get a full reply. Main bases are in Kurdistan and Baghdad. And it's not NATO bases, since NATO doesn't have to fight in this and most chose not to. Its a Caolition of China, US and Canada.

So no more Combined Joint Task Force – Operation Inherent Resolve?

[San Regada]

Also, am I the only one that thinks China having 40,000 troops in Iraq is a bit much? I mean the Xian Y-20 strategic airlifter only started rolling out in 2016 and the economic and industrial might of the red dragon has only produced 8 of them throughout the entirety of 2016 with only 2 in active service/operationally capable condition, the largest fleet of transport aircraft the PLAAF currently has are their 78 really outdated and obsolete cold war carry over, the Shaanxi Y-8 (which is/was due to be replaced by the Y-9), based off the old version of the Antonov An-12, which can only transport 90 people at one time, so how in gods name did you transport 40,000 troops in such a short period time? 78 x 90 = 7,020 troops in one massive armada, and thats accounting for all of the 78. And considering that the Y-8 only has a range of 5,615 km and that Syria is 5,796 km away, the only way Chinese troops would reach Syria directly is by conducting aerial refuelling operations which will add more expense to the cost of conducting the airlift operation- but wait, the Shaanxi Y-8 cant even be refuelled mid air meaning unless you arrived in Iraq (which is just barely within the range of the Y-8) and refuelled heavily (yay more operational expense! and im not even going to bother pointing out the flaws in 40k troops moving through the desert in one armada in the middle of an insurgency, yet alone the length of time it will take and the costs you're racking up before you even reach your destination if you even attempt to move to Syria) the planes would run out of fuel and crash before they even reach Syria. I don't think I even need to explain why strategically or based on the very concept of realism China would not be stupid enough to send out all 90 of its only really capable transport aircraft at one time which brings me back to my question: How in gods name?.

Please enlighten me, I am very curious .

[Dentali]

Also, am I the only one that thinks China having 40,000 troops in Syria/Iraq is a bit much? I mean the Xian Y-20 strategic airlifter only started rolling out in 2016 and the economic and industrial might of the red dragon has only produced 8 of them throughout the entirety of 2016 with only 2 in active service/operationally capable condition, the largest fleet of transport aircraft the PLAAF currently has are their 78 really outdated and obsolete cold war carry over, the Shaanxi Y-8 (which is/was due to be replaced by the Y-9), based off the old version of the Antonov An-12, which can only transport 90 people at one time, so how in gods name did you transport 40,000 troops in such a short period time? 78 x 90 = 7,020 troops in one massive armada, and thats accounting for all of the 78. And considering that the Y-8 only has a range of 5,615 km and that Syria is 5,796 km away, the only way Chinese troops would reach Syria directly is by conducting aerial refuelling operations which will add more expense to the cost of conducting the airlift operation- but wait, the Shaanxi Y-8 cant even be refuelled mid air meaning unless you arrived in Iraq and refuelled heavily (yay more operational expense! and im not even going to bother pointing out the flaws in 40k troops moving through the desert in one armada in the middle of an insurgency, yet alone the length of time it will take and the costs you're racking up before you even reach your destination) the planes would run out of fuel and crash before they even reach Syria. I don't think I even need to explain why strategically or based on the very concept of realismChina would not be stupid enough to send out all 90 of its only really capable transport aircraft at one time which brings me back to my question: How in gods name?.

Please enlighten me, I am very curious .

Im with you but it happened before i joined

[San Regada]

Also, am I the only one that thinks China having 40,000 troops in Syria/Iraq is a bit much? I mean the Xian Y-20 strategic airlifter only started rolling out in 2016 and the economic and industrial might of the red dragon has only produced 8 of them throughout the entirety of 2016 with only 2 in active service/operationally capable condition, the largest fleet of transport aircraft the PLAAF currently has are their 78 really outdated and obsolete cold war carry over, the Shaanxi Y-8 (which is/was due to be replaced by the Y-9), based off the old version of the Antonov An-12, which can only transport 90 people at one time, so how in gods name did you transport 40,000 troops in such a short period time? 78 x 90 = 7,020 troops in one massive armada, and thats accounting for all of the 78. And considering that the Y-8 only has a range of 5,615 km and that Syria is 5,796 km away, the only way Chinese troops would reach Syria directly is by conducting aerial refuelling operations which will add more expense to the cost of conducting the airlift operation- but wait, the Shaanxi Y-8 cant even be refuelled mid air meaning unless you arrived in Iraq and refuelled heavily (yay more operational expense! and im not even going to bother pointing out the flaws in 40k troops moving through the desert in one armada in the middle of an insurgency, yet alone the length of time it will take and the costs you're racking up before you even reach your destination) the planes would run out of fuel and crash before they even reach Syria. I don't think I even need to explain why strategically or based on the very concept of realismChina would not be stupid enough to send out all 90 of its only really capable transport aircraft at one time which brings me back to my question: How in gods name?.

Please enlighten me, I am very curious .

Im with you but it happened before i joined

Lets do some calculations Time = Speed / Distance. S = 550km/h (Cruising speed of Y-8) and D = 5,457 km to Iraq, henceforth T = 550 / 5,457 = 9.92181818 = 10 Hours. There's 24 hours in a day, so in order for 78 planes to consecutively bring in 90 troops... 24 / 10 = 2.4 = 2 = China can only fly to Iraq and back within the space of a day. That's a singular drop of 7,020 troops. 40,000 / 7,020 = 5.6 = 6 = China needs to repeat this process 6 times to amass a force of 40,000, and thats just infantry! They will need supplies such as rifles, military vehicles etc... the Y-8 has a payload of 44,000 lb. The Chinese standard service rifle (QBZ-95) weighs 7.2 lb... 44,000 / 7.2 = 6,111.11111111 = 6,111 rifles can be transported at the same time, so hey China, you cant even fully equip the soldiers you're transporting, which means you need to make MORE trips because as an average (for practical reasons we assume they all have the same weapons, even if they didnt, my point stands), only 6,111 soldiers can be equipped. 40,000 / 6,111 = 6.54557356 = 7 = China has to actually do the airlift process 7 times if it wants all of its soldiers to be equipped with at least a rifle, and hey, thats not even taking into account pistols, grenades, rocket launchers and military vehicles China may want to send over. 7 x 2 = 14 days of airlifting to make sure they are at least equipped with a rifle. I don't think I need to prove my point further.

[Laeuwen]

Also, am I the only one that thinks China having 40,000 troops in Iraq is a bit much? I mean the Xian Y-20 strategic airlifter only started rolling out in 2016 and the economic and industrial might of the red dragon has only produced 8 of them throughout the entirety of 2016 with only 2 in active service/operationally capable condition, the largest fleet of transport aircraft the PLAAF currently has are their 78 really outdated and obsolete cold war carry over, the Shaanxi Y-8 (which is/was due to be replaced by the Y-9), based off the old version of the Antonov An-12, which can only transport 90 people at one time, so how in gods name did you transport 40,000 troops in such a short period time? 78 x 90 = 7,020 troops in one massive armada, and thats accounting for all of the 78. And considering that the Y-8 only has a range of 5,615 km and that Syria is 5,796 km away, the only way Chinese troops would reach Syria directly is by conducting aerial refuelling operations which will add more expense to the cost of conducting the airlift operation- but wait, the Shaanxi Y-8 cant even be refuelled mid air meaning unless you arrived in Iraq (which is just barely within the range of the Y-8) and refuelled heavily (yay more operational expense! and im not even going to bother pointing out the flaws in 40k troops moving through the desert in one armada in the middle of an insurgency, yet alone the length of time it will take and the costs you're racking up before you even reach your destination if you even attempt to move to Syria) the planes would run out of fuel and crash before they even reach Syria. I don't think I even need to explain why strategically or based on the very concept of realism China would not be stupid enough to send out all 90 of its only really capable transport aircraft at one time which brings me back to my question: How in gods name?.

Please enlighten me, I am very curious .

Lets do some calculations Time = Speed / Distance. S = 550km/h (Cruising speed of Y-8) and D = 5,457 km to Iraq, henceforth T = 550 / 5,457 = 9.92181818 = 10 Hours. There's 24 hours in a day, so in order for 78 planes to consecutively bring in 90 troops... 24 / 10 = 2.4 = 2 = China can only fly to Iraq and back within the space of a day. That's a singular drop of 7,020 troops. 40,000 / 7,020 = 5.6 = 6 = China needs to repeat this process 6 times to amass a force of 40,000, and thats just infantry! They will need supplies such as rifles, military vehicles etc... the Y-8 has a payload of 44,000 lb. The Chinese standard service rifle (QBZ-95) weighs 7.2 lb... 44,000 / 7.2 = 6,111.11111111 = 6,111 rifles can be transported at the same time, so hey China, you cant even fully equip the soldiers you're transporting, which means you need to make MORE trips because as an average (for practical reasons we assume they all have the same weapons, even if they didnt, my point stands), only 6,111 soldiers can be equipped. 40,000 / 6,111 = 6.54557356 = 7 = China has to actually do the airlift process 7 times if it wants all of its soldiers to be equipped with at least a rifle, and hey, thats not even taking into account pistols, grenades, rocket launchers and military vehicles China may want to send over. 7 x 2 = 14 days of airlifting to make sure they are at least equipped with a rifle. I don't think I need to prove my point further.

I looked up some things for myself... she has a very good point.

[Dentali]

Found a great map of the Syrian Civil war

[San Regada]

Also, am I the only one that thinks China having 40,000 troops in Iraq is a bit much? I mean the Xian Y-20 strategic airlifter only started rolling out in 2016 and the economic and industrial might of the red dragon has only produced 8 of them throughout the entirety of 2016 with only 2 in active service/operationally capable condition, the largest fleet of transport aircraft the PLAAF currently has are their 78 really outdated and obsolete cold war carry over, the Shaanxi Y-8 (which is/was due to be replaced by the Y-9), based off the old version of the Antonov An-12, which can only transport 90 people at one time, so how in gods name did you transport 40,000 troops in such a short period time? 78 x 90 = 7,020 troops in one massive armada, and thats accounting for all of the 78. And considering that the Y-8 only has a range of 5,615 km and that Syria is 5,796 km away, the only way Chinese troops would reach Syria directly is by conducting aerial refuelling operations which will add more expense to the cost of conducting the airlift operation- but wait, the Shaanxi Y-8 cant even be refuelled mid air meaning unless you arrived in Iraq (which is just barely within the range of the Y-8) and refuelled heavily (yay more operational expense! and im not even going to bother pointing out the flaws in 40k troops moving through the desert in one armada in the middle of an insurgency, yet alone the length of time it will take and the costs you're racking up before you even reach your destination if you even attempt to move to Syria) the planes would run out of fuel and crash before they even reach Syria. I don't think I even need to explain why strategically or based on the very concept of realism China would not be stupid enough to send out all 90 of its only really capable transport aircraft at one time which brings me back to my question: How in gods name?.

Please enlighten me, I am very curious .

Lets do some calculations Time = Speed / Distance. S = 550km/h (Cruising speed of Y-8) and D = 5,457 km to Iraq, henceforth T = 550 / 5,457 = 9.92181818 = 10 Hours. There's 24 hours in a day, so in order for 78 planes to consecutively bring in 90 troops... 24 / 10 = 2.4 = 2 = China can only fly to Iraq and back within the space of a day. That's a singular drop of 7,020 troops. 40,000 / 7,020 = 5.6 = 6 = China needs to repeat this process 6 times to amass a force of 40,000, and thats just infantry! They will need supplies such as rifles, military vehicles etc... the Y-8 has a payload of 44,000 lb. The Chinese standard service rifle (QBZ-95) weighs 7.2 lb... 44,000 / 7.2 = 6,111.11111111 = 6,111 rifles can be transported at the same time, so hey China, you cant even fully equip the soldiers you're transporting, which means you need to make MORE trips because as an average (for practical reasons we assume they all have the same weapons, even if they didnt, my point stands), only 6,111 soldiers can be equipped. 40,000 / 6,111 = 6.54557356 = 7 = China has to actually do the airlift process 7 times if it wants all of its soldiers to be equipped with at least a rifle, and hey, thats not even taking into account pistols, grenades, rocket launchers and military vehicles China may want to send over. 7 x 2 = 14 days of airlifting to make sure they are at least equipped with a rifle. I don't think I need to prove my point further.

I looked up some things for myself... she has a very good point.

Oh and another interesting fact. China made the post stating 40,000 troops would be deployed to Iraq on Tue Mar 14, 2017 at 5:08 pm, and seeing that this RP operates in roughly real-time, only by March 28 would a Chinese forced equipped with only the bare minimum of primary weapons would be amassed at its full numerical strength of 40,000 and thats assuming that China sends its whole fucking fleet of 90 planes at a time, which I already debunked why that could never realistically happen. And that's 40,000 troops that are going to be waiting for: Secondary weapons because they only have rifles, grenades, military vehicles, ammunition, food, water and the whole other fucking tactical and logistical surplus required to run and maintain an overseas military operation, so, there is no way in high heaven that Chinese ground forces can be operational in Iraq right now.

[Apror]

Also, am I the only one that thinks China having 40,000 troops in Iraq is a bit much? I mean the Xian Y-20 strategic airlifter only started rolling out in 2016 and the economic and industrial might of the red dragon has only produced 8 of them throughout the entirety of 2016 with only 2 in active service/operationally capable condition, the largest fleet of transport aircraft the PLAAF currently has are their 78 really outdated and obsolete cold war carry over, the Shaanxi Y-8 (which is/was due to be replaced by the Y-9), based off the old version of the Antonov An-12, which can only transport 90 people at one time, so how in gods name did you transport 40,000 troops in such a short period time? 78 x 90 = 7,020 troops in one massive armada, and thats accounting for all of the 78. And considering that the Y-8 only has a range of 5,615 km and that Syria is 5,796 km away, the only way Chinese troops would reach Syria directly is by conducting aerial refuelling operations which will add more expense to the cost of conducting the airlift operation- but wait, the Shaanxi Y-8 cant even be refuelled mid air meaning unless you arrived in Iraq (which is just barely within the range of the Y-8) and refuelled heavily (yay more operational expense! and im not even going to bother pointing out the flaws in 40k troops moving through the desert in one armada in the middle of an insurgency, yet alone the length of time it will take and the costs you're racking up before you even reach your destination if you even attempt to move to Syria) the planes would run out of fuel and crash before they even reach Syria. I don't think I even need to explain why strategically or based on the very concept of realism China would not be stupid enough to send out all 90 of its only really capable transport aircraft at one time which brings me back to my question: How in gods name?.

Please enlighten me, I am very curious .

China's Military is more advanced in this 2017 than ours. It's still not caught up to the US, though it's still got a lot of stuff rolled out that's more Modern, such as an increasing number of J-20's, or those Y-20's. Also, were alongside the Iraq Government, so we have airfields in the country obviously.

[Apror]

Okay, what the fucks going on exactly?

[Chewion]

I looked up some things for myself... she has a very good point.

Oh and another interesting fact. China made the post stating 40,000 troops would be deployed to Iraq on Tue Mar 14, 2017 at 5:08 pm, and seeing that this RP operates in roughly real-time, only by March 28 would a Chinese forced equipped with only the bare minimum of primary weapons would be amassed at its full numerical strength of 40,000 and thats assuming that China sends its whole fucking fleet of 90 planes at a time, which I already debunked why that could never realistically happen. And that's 40,000 troops that are going to be waiting for: Secondary weapons because they only have rifles, grenades, military vehicles, ammunition, food, water and the whole other fucking tactical and logistical surplus required to run and maintain an overseas military operation, so, there is no way in high heaven that Chinese ground forces can be operational in Iraq right now. Easy solution: I'm going to ignore China.

No your not. If you have a problem tell us the OPs and we will discuss it.

[Apror]

Also, why couldn't the United States have offered me Transports? If I needed to bust ass, the USA would probably be very willing to help.

[San Regada]

Also, am I the only one that thinks China having 40,000 troops in Iraq is a bit much? I mean the Xian Y-20 strategic airlifter only started rolling out in 2016 and the economic and industrial might of the red dragon has only produced 8 of them throughout the entirety of 2016 with only 2 in active service/operationally capable condition, the largest fleet of transport aircraft the PLAAF currently has are their 78 really outdated and obsolete cold war carry over, the Shaanxi Y-8 (which is/was due to be replaced by the Y-9), based off the old version of the Antonov An-12, which can only transport 90 people at one time, so how in gods name did you transport 40,000 troops in such a short period time? 78 x 90 = 7,020 troops in one massive armada, and thats accounting for all of the 78. And considering that the Y-8 only has a range of 5,615 km and that Syria is 5,796 km away, the only way Chinese troops would reach Syria directly is by conducting aerial refuelling operations which will add more expense to the cost of conducting the airlift operation- but wait, the Shaanxi Y-8 cant even be refuelled mid air meaning unless you arrived in Iraq (which is just barely within the range of the Y-8) and refuelled heavily (yay more operational expense! and im not even going to bother pointing out the flaws in 40k troops moving through the desert in one armada in the middle of an insurgency, yet alone the length of time it will take and the costs you're racking up before you even reach your destination if you even attempt to move to Syria) the planes would run out of fuel and crash before they even reach Syria. I don't think I even need to explain why strategically or based on the very concept of realism China would not be stupid enough to send out all 90 of its only really capable transport aircraft at one time which brings me back to my question: How in gods name?.

Please enlighten me, I am very curious .

China's Military is more advanced in this 2017 than ours. It's still not caught up to the US, though it's still got a lot of stuff rolled out that's more Modern, such as an increasing number of J-20's, or those Y-20's. Also, were alongside the Iraq Government, so we have airfields in the country obviously.

Then state that from the offset when you put your application up, don't just mention it now because you got called the hell out. Please cite the my 2 above posts as well. You dont even mention the process of the Chinese getting there or setting up or anything, they just magically spawn out of the ground in Iraq. "Increasing number" isn't a valid figure, if you scroll back pages in the OOC, you see I actually put detailed and realistic effort into my military, and Germany did some financial and military things on the IC to realistically show his. The only thing "more Y-20's" is going to do is increase the economic strain on China to stay committed to the operation: yes you can get more stuff to Iraq quicker, but it will also be expensive as fuck, flying the Y-20 for an estimated 6 hours to reach Iraq repeatedly to reach a fully strengthened force of 40k with every single piece of military equipment and logistical chain in check is going to take a while, you cant just magic 40k troops over there in the span of one post.

[Laeuwen]

To be fair, she has a point, people should actually uphold a certain degree of realism, and I'd be pissed if I put effort into my military and them someone 'teleports' troops to Iraq.

[Dentali]

China's Military is more advanced in this 2017 than ours. It's still not caught up to the US, though it's still got a lot of stuff rolled out that's more Modern, such as an increasing number of J-20's, or those Y-20's. Also, were alongside the Iraq Government, so we have airfields in the country obviously.

Then state that from the offset when you put your application up, don't just mention it now because you got called the hell out. Please cite the my 2 above posts as well. You dont even mention the process of the Chinese getting there or setting up or anything, they just magically spawn out of the ground in Iraq. "Increasing number" isn't a valid figure, if you scroll back pages in the OOC, you see I actually put detailed and realistic effort into my military, and Germany did some financial and military things on the IC to realistically show his. The only thing "more Y-20's" is going to do is increase the economic strain on China to stay committed to the operation: yes you can get more stuff to Iraq quicker, but it will also be expensive as fuck, flying the Y-20 for an estimated 6 hours to reach Iraq repeatedly to reach a fully strengthened force of 40k with every single piece of military equipment and logistical chain in check is going to take a while, you cant just magic 40k troops over there in the span of one post.

How about we agree to a compromise and just retcon it to 15-20k troops? the rest of the 40k can arrive over time, that way we dont need to totally throw the RP off track but its a little more reasonable.

[Chewion]

Enough. It happened long ago and going back wouldn't be in the interest of this RO. However in the future travel must be detailed or at least explained with a realistic way.

[Chewion]

Or we can say that 20-30k have arrived and the rest are coming in slowly.

[Apror]

Enough. It happened long ago and going back wouldn't be in the interest of this RO. However in the future travel must be detailed or at least explained with a realistic way.

Sure thing, and I planed to do a detailed description, but shit blew up and I was like "ummmmm."

[Apror]

Or we can say that 20-30k have arrived and the rest are coming in slowly.

That's fine I suppose, though I don't even know what this is over. I just heard someone question Glorious China.

[San Regada]

Forgive me if I seem hostile, I was just getting my point across. And China I hope you know the PLA has never engaged in a major hybrid counter-insurgency conflict that requires a sustained strategic airlift capability in order to keep logistical chains open outside of a shitty peacekeeping mission in Mali and parts of East Africa where even the UN criticises the absolute ineffectiveness of PLA peacekeepers in terms of responding to armed threats and their training. Even if your PLA is more trained (chineez magik), this is the first time they are going to be exposed to a modern conflict since the Sino-Vietnamese War (which arguably still utilised shitty 2nd Generation Warfare tactics). So like... Chinese troops shouldn't exactly be expecting a miraculous lack of losses.

Just saying, the same thing happened to the Russians. Twice.

[Chewion]

Forgive me if I seem hostile, I was just getting my point across. And China I hope you know the PLA has never engaged in a major hybrid counter-insurgency conflict that requires a sustained strategic airlift capability in order to keep logistical chains open outside of a shitty peacekeeping mission in Mali and parts of East Africa where even the UN criticises the absolute ineffectiveness of PLA peacekeepers in terms of responding to armed threats and their training. Even if your PLA is more trained (chineez magik), this is the first time they are going to be exposed to a modern conflict since the Sino-Vietnamese War (which arguably still utilised shitty 2nd Generation Warfare tactics). So like... Chinese troops shouldn't exactly be expecting a miraculous lack of losses.

Just saying, the same thing happened to the Russians. Twice.

Oh he knows he will face heavy losses. And no worries your fine.

[San Regada]

Alright, and China, if you want help moving your troops around Iraq easier:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... orce_bases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_Iraq

I think quite a few of them are inactive or have fallen to IS though.

[Apror]

Forgive me if I seem hostile, I was just getting my point across. And China I hope you know the PLA has never engaged in a major hybrid counter-insurgency conflict that requires a sustained strategic airlift capability in order to keep logistical chains open outside of a shitty peacekeeping mission in Mali and parts of East Africa where even the UN criticises the absolute ineffectiveness of PLA peacekeepers in terms of responding to armed threats and their training. Even if your PLA is more trained (chineez magik), this is the first time they are going to be exposed to a modern conflict since the Sino-Vietnamese War (which arguably still utilised shitty 2nd Generation Warfare tactics). So like... Chinese troops shouldn't exactly be expecting a miraculous lack of losses.

Just saying, the same thing happened to the Russians. Twice.

I have a question, when did you diverge in your history? You didn't need to do anything before 2000. You overdid it, we can only change 2000-2017. Either way, trial and error, and are better trained thanks to Modernezation programs. We also have assistance from the United States, who we're working with.