1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC]

[Rygondria]

So what does papa Italy think of New Venice and their fields of cotton and hatred between Romans and Italians

New Venice will probably be invaded.

But it is in the New World though, we are a ocean apart.

[Atreidya]

New Venice will probably be invaded.

But it is in the New World though, we are a ocean apart.

URA will stand by to help a fellow New World nation against a European one, especially a socialist one.

[The Orson Empire]

New Venice will probably be invaded.

But it is in the New World though, we are a ocean apart.

And Italy has one of the best navies in the world...

[Elerian]

But it is in the New World though, we are a ocean apart.

And Italy has one of the best navies in the world...

Evidently everyone thinks that, so that's highly subjective.

[Rygondria]

But it is in the New World though, we are a ocean apart.

And Italy has one of the best navies in the world...

Is it because we took the name New Venice or is it because we represent the italy before the revolution except as a republic.

[The Orson Empire]

And Italy has one of the best navies in the world...

Evidently everyone thinks that, so that's highly subjective.

I suppose so, but it is at the very least a blue water navy.

And Italy has one of the best navies in the world...

Is it because we took the name New Venice or is it because we represent the italy before the revolution except as a republic.

The latter. And the fact that I just want new colonies.

[Rygondria]

Evidently everyone thinks that, so that's highly subjective.

I suppose so, but it is at the very least a blue water navy.

Is it because we took the name New Venice or is it because we represent the italy before the revolution except as a republic.

The latter. And the fact that I just want new colonies.

But you were our Papa, But the ERE helped to, so does that make him a step father i wonder ? Anyway you have will not get our Cotton.

[The Orson Empire]

I suppose so, but it is at the very least a blue water navy.

The latter. And the fact that I just want new colonies.

But you were our Papa, But the ERE helped to, so does that make him a step father i wonder ? Anyway you have will not get our Cotton.

Your cotton workers will be liberated once the communist revolution arrives.

[Rygondria]

But you were our Papa, But the ERE helped to, so does that make him a step father i wonder ? Anyway you have will not get our Cotton.

Your cotton workers will be liberated once the communist revolution arrives.

But what of the Landed Roman Aristocracy..wait i know what you would do.

[The Orson Empire]

Your cotton workers will be liberated once the communist revolution arrives.

But what of the Landed Roman Aristocracy..wait i know what you would do.

They are the bourgeois and are thus enemies of the state. They will be executed.

[Rygondria]

But what of the Landed Roman Aristocracy..wait i know what you would do.

They are the bourgeois and are thus enemies of the state. They will be executed.

Called it, but it has been institutionalized since independence, would be hard to do away with the plantation culture of New Venice. That and you would have to deal with the inevitable economic damaged the colony would have due to the death of the plantation.

[The Orson Empire]

They are the bourgeois and are thus enemies of the state. They will be executed.

Called it, but it has been institutionalized since independence, would be hard to do away with the plantation culture of New Venice. That and you would have to deal with the inevitable economic damaged the colony would have due to the death of the plantation.

In practice, it won't be done away with at all. Chancellor Barretta of Italy has to pay lip service to the communist ideology, but still realizes the economic value of the colony.

Many of the landed aristocracy would still be killed, though.

[Rygondria]

Called it, but it has been institutionalized since independence, would be hard to do away with the plantation culture of New Venice. That and you would have to deal with the inevitable economic damaged the colony would have due to the death of the plantation.

In practice, it won't be done away with at all. Chancellor Barretta of Italy has to pay lip service to the communist ideology, but still realizes the economic value of the colony.

Many of the landed aristocracy would still be killed, though.

But then that would leave are little angry firends the Venitian-Italians ( Whom the Romans "Affectionately" call the Lombard's) Sure a sizable minority hate the romans but they would react negatively to A new Colonial Overlord.

[Tracian Empire]

Cymrea, France will assist you by taking in some of your more radical communist elements if you promise free access to the Suez for the Amsterdam Pact (France, Commie Italy, China [maybe], Post-revolution Spain [maybe, if the revolution succeeds], and Scandinavia [if we succeed in radicalizing the socialists/communists in control of their government]).

Also, just realized, if we succeed in radicalizing Scandinavia, and reinforcing our Western Front with a Commie Spain; the Kingdom of Germania finds itself on a three front war if it tries attacking any member of the Amsterdam Pact. Surrounded and easy to turn into new Commie clay.

The Imperium will block that, so it will be the first situation in which the two powers sharing the Suez canal would possibly disagree on something.

[Tracian Empire]

Full Nation Name : The Greater Japanese Empire, 大日本帝国, Dai Nippon Teikoku
Majority/Official Culture : Japanese with very slight Korean influences
Territorial Core : Modern Japan, Northern half of Taiwan, Korea, Kamchatka, Primorsky Krai, Kamchatka Krai, Khabarovsk Krai, Sakhalin (including Kurils) Oblast, Magadan Oblast, Chukotka, Alaska, Phillippines, Hawaii, Palau, Mariana Islands, Wake Atoll, Micronesia, Marshall Islands, Midway Wake and Johnston Atolls. Dominion over East Pacific and Dominance of Pacific trade.
Territorial Claim : Pacific Islands in general, perhaps more of Siberia. Dominion over the South Pacific
Capital City : Two Capitals: Kyoto and Tokyo
Population : 55 million

Government Type : Constitutional Imperial Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist, Economic, Naval Dominance
Much like the Chinese Emperor's Mandates of Heaven, the Japanese Emperors are viewed as semi-divine protectors of Japanese civilization. They seek to assimilate those whom they perceive to have remained backwards and powerless. The empire offers great economic development to all citizens and autonomy to those who voluntarily join. In line with these goals, the Pacific Empire rests on three key principles.
1. Loyalty to the Emperor, the citizens of the Japanese Empire, and the preservation of East Asian power
2. Advancement of the Material and Cultural Development of the Empire and its citizens.
3. Commitment to Strengthening Naval Power, the Sword and Armor of the Empire
Government Focus : Imperialist, Economic, Cultural
Head of State : Emperor Meiji
Head of Government : Ultimate authority lies with Emperor Meiji but he works with his Prime Minister, Sakamoto Ryoma to carry out his reforms.
Government Description : As a Constitutional Imperial Monarchy, the Emperor is head of both the state and government. His government is structured as an imperial bureaucracy with the Emperor on top, his Imperial Council of Ministers below him as an executive branch, the Prime Minister and his party leading the legislative branch (who win power through Parliamentary elections) in parallel. Ultimately, however, the Emperor has final veto power on legislation. The Imperial Courts are organized wholly independent and exist to interpret the Japanese Constitution. As a result of the absorption of Korea in 1598, some of the Confucian Scholarly tradition has been adopted into the Emperor's bureaucratic structure

Majority/State Religion : Shinto with Zen Buddhism syncretism
Religious Description : Shinto is a blend of indigenous Japanese folk practices, court manners, and spirit-worship which dates back to at least 600 AD. When the Tokugawa Shogunate fell to the Imperial Restoration, Emperor Kotei saw the wisdom in strengthening national unity and in pursuit of this goal, consolidated Shintoism into a national state ideology. This would bolster the belief that the Emperor and his line were direct descendants of Amaterasu and the other gods who originally created Japan. Japanese Buddhism was incorporated into this system as additional moral guidance and state structure. For the state, Shinto is seen as a non-religious moral tradition and patriotic practice.

Economic Ideologies : Mercantilism and State-Directed Capitalism though social welfare security nets in the form of food and shelter in return for state labor are available.
Major Production : Industrial Equipment, Ships (Commercial and Military), Arms Production, Rice, Textiles, Rich in Natural Resources (Particularly oil, coal, timber, and minerals including gold).
Economic Description : As result of Japan's successful annexation and integration of Korea, it experienced a rapid economic boom which in turn fueled expansion northwards and across the Pacific in pursuit of additional natural resources to sustain this growth. Coupled with China's early industrialization, Japan followed in suit to ensure that it could compete. As a result, the Imperial Home Islands and the Korean peninsula (known as Kanshu) are highly industrialized. In terms of composition, the Japan economy is built on the foundation of State-controlled Zaibatsu (vast clan-led companies) whom focus on industrial expansion, improved agricultural yields, naval and arms production, and resource extraction from the northern colonies. Despite the power of the zaibatsu, the private economy is a healthy animal, fed by private consumer demand and the textile industry.

Japan plays a similar role in Asia the Cambrians play worldwide, serving as favored source of financial and shipping services in the Pacific, engaging in great amount of global trade while maintaining a powerhouse domestic production and resources base. Japanese ships are famed worldwide for their quality.

Army Strength : With a standing professional army of 250,000, the IJA (Imperial Japanese Army) is famed for their fanatical devotion and loyalty to the Emperor, as well as their innovative field and long range artillery doctrine. All Japanese males undergo brief military training as a high school requisite. Infantry are supplied with breach-loading repeater rifles of quality domestic make. In terms of experience, IJA has had of the opportunity to gain experience fighting in all types of terrain, subduing barbarians in the tundras of Siberia, the jungles of Taiwan, and in particular, the landing and establishment of control over islands.
Army Weakness : Though the IJA is a modern and formidable army, it plays second fiddle to the IJN.
Naval Strength : Quality and Quantity. Japan's naval power, alongside with the rest of the Japanese economy, has profited greatly from the successful integration of the former Korean peninsula, and the various Northern colonies rich in natural resources and as a result has been able to produce many world-class shipyards who churn out armored and outright iron ships for the IJN (Imperial Japanese Navy), zaibatsu shipping, and commercial sale to both domestic and foreign consumers. Japanese naval development and doctrine is on the cutting edge as it this Japanese naval power that serves as a backbone for the island-based trade empire. IJN is comprised of 300 ships (combat and non-combat) in total, 120 of which are ironclads or iron hulled ships, favoring 11' and 15' guns designed to pierce armor, crewed and serviced by 75,000 men. As one of the top two navies in the world, only the Cambrians rival Japan in the number of modern iron-clads commissioned. The flag ship, Amaterasu, has just sailed out of imperial shipping yards and as one of the most powerful battleships in existence, is the pride and joy of the IJN.
Naval Weakness : Projection. Japan's is a top naval power. However, it has chosen to center the majority of this power in the Pacific. Occasionally squadrons can be found around the world for various trade and diplomatic missions, as well as to secure shipping lanes but by and large, the IJN is found in the Pacific.
Further Military Description : Imperial Japan undeniably rules the Pacific through naval might, though the Cambrians prove themselves to be worthy rivals. As one of the top two navies in the world, the IJN is the guarantor of the lucrative China trade. The Imperial Army may lack in funding compared to the Imperial Navy but it still possesses some of the fiercest soldiers in the world, famed for their fanatical discipline and morale.

National Goals : To Bring Glory to the Emperor and Prosperity to the Empire
National Issues : Combatting the influence of Western ideologies such as Christianity and soulless Communism. Colonial Policy. Diplomatic Relations.
National Figures of Interest : Prime Minister Sakamoto Ryoma, Defence Minister Saigo Takamori, Imperial Prince Komatsu
National Ambition/Aspirations : Asia for Asians and Maintenance of the Pacific as Japanese domain.

History :
In 1598, the Korean Peninsula was successfully conquered by the Japanese warlord Toyotomi Hideyoshi after he was able to secure a peace deal with the Ming Empire, ceding it's former vassal to the Japanese in exchange for nominal displays of tribute to the Dragon Throne. However, after the Ming collapse, and the Imperial restoration, these nominal tributes ended. This was mostly due to the nature of political reality. While the last Ming Emperor hung himself behind the Forbidden City as his capital was being taken, his successor and family fled to Japan. The Imperial Japanese family, though not politically powerful at the time, offered refuge. Eventually the two families intermarried - truly an Imperial and ancient family.

The Tokugawa had ruled with wisdom and strength throughout the 1600's, binding the national sense of identity and culture together. Additionally, through mandatory intermarriage, encouraged Japanese migration to the peninsula, and effective cultural suppression, the Koreans were thoroughly absorbed into the empire with little distinguishing them from their homeland fellows. Relations with China were cultivated to maintain trade and peace and so the Shogunate encouraged colonization northward, as well as the northern half of Taiwan and on islands westward. However, the Tokugawa's power waned in the late 18th-century as Japan became split over whether or not to adopt China's example in opening up their country to industrialization and re-order. Some argued the necessity for Japan to modernize it's military and economic structures so that it could continue to defend itself and compete against global merchants and Western powers. The conservative faction disagreed, feeling only anger at foreigners for corrupting Japan. Ultimately this led to Emperor Kotei in 1780, breaking long-held precedent in imperial abstention from political matters, issuing the Order to Expel Barbarians in the spirit of the popular movement "Sonno Joi". Sonno Joi, or "Revere the Emperor, Expel the Barbarians" led to several murders of Chinese and Western merchants and foreign retaliation was severe, demonstrating that feeble, traditional struggle would not be a feasible solution to Japan's weakness. With the Shogunate weakened from foreign retribution it was not responsible for, opposition forces rallied around Emperor Komei and the cause for Imperial restoration to power. The Boshin Civil War, lasting from 1785-1787, saw the modernization of Japanese military, naval, and infrastructure as both Shogunate and Imperial factions sought to gain advantage. Ultimately, the Imperial cause won and Emperor Komei was the first Emperor in centuries to formally lead Japan as both head of state and government.

Following the Komei Restoration, the Emperor issued the Charter Oath of 1788 which laid the foundation for what the new empire would be.

"By this oath, we set up as our aim the establishment of the national weal on a broad basis and the framing of a constitution and laws.

1. Deliberative assemblies shall be widely established and all matters decided by open discussion.
2. All classes, high and low, shall be united in vigorously carrying out the administration of affairs of state.
3. The common people, no less than the civil and military officials, shall all be allowed to pursue their own calling so that there may be no discontent.
4. Evil customs of the past shall be broken off and everything based upon the just laws of Nature.
5. Knowledge shall be sought throughout the world so as to strengthen the foundation of imperial rule"

In the years and periods that followed, Japan's social structure, government, military, and economy would be wholly reformed and modernized with the guidance of the Emperors and their loyal ministers. At Komei's death in 1801, Japan had become one of the great industrialized powers of the world. Of particular note was Emperor Jumon, grandson of Komei, who laid the foundations for the world-class naval power Japan is today, by patronizing the establishment of additional shipyards, pioneering naval artillery, and promoting international trade. However, he gained the title of Heavenly Fury, for during his reign, the Philippines were subjugated and brutally colonized so that Japanese/Kanshu immigrants would make up the majority of the population. Now it is his great-grandson, Emperor Meiji who will lead Japan into it's next age of glory.


Comparison Points – Political : 2
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 2.5
Comparison Points – Economy : 2.5
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : /10
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)

Added some specificity in the military section.

You still lack any real military weaknesses.

[Tracian Empire]

Here is the map for the somewhat ideal borders of the Basque People's Republic and the Democratic People's Republic of Germany / West Germany.

Of course, these borders are entirely subject to change (not to mention that this assumes the revolts are successful and everything, without any French intervention).

The thing is, you aren't guaranteed to form any of them. What happens inside a nation's territory can only be decided by that player, including the spread of communism and workers' agitations, as such, military actions might be the only way to do anything.

[Tracian Empire]

I'll look over apps later today

[Velahor]

Thrace, my app is under revision so it won't be ready for about 9 hours. It's late my time lol.

[Tracian Empire]

Thrace, my app is under revision so it won't be ready for about 9 hours. It's late my time lol.

No problem, just quote it and make sure that I saw it when you are ready.

[Dires]

Added some specificity in the military section.

You still lack any real military weaknesses.

I asked for suggestions. None were forthcoming. All I'm saying is that the army is neglected for the navy since the army is more of an extension of projecting naval power.

[Tracian Empire]

You still lack any real military weaknesses.

I asked for suggestions. None were forthcoming. All I'm saying is that the army is neglected for the navy since the army is more of an extension of projecting naval power.

And that is not clearly mentioned. You give so many strengths to your army, and you only mention that it is second to the IJN. You should add small numbers and being so thinly spread as weakness, imo.

And your Navy completely lacks any sort of weaknesses. Projection? Yes, but most naval battles that you might fight will be in the Pacific anyway, as such, no weaknesses.

[Tracian Empire]

But well, these are only suggestions, since your app was already accepted.

[The V O I D]

Italy is a moderate Marxist-Pierrean state, France is a hardcore staunch Marxist-Pierrean state...

Will China be moderate or hardcore or invent its own communism based on Marxist-Pierrean thought?

Also, @Thrace, I understand I don't control things in other people's countries and such, but it sounds to me like you're saying they can say communism doesn't exist in their borders or some such, and can handwave away the fact that communism in Western Europe is somewhat of an issue due to France encouraging it and being a major communist power. Not to mention that while I can't control what happens in their borders, I can control French socialist smugglers and such going into their countries to meet with their revolutionaries to smuggle weapons and such. Whether they succeed or not may vary, tho...

[Second Helghan Empire]

Italy is a moderate Marxist-Pierrean state, France is a hardcore staunch Marxist-Pierrean state...

Will China be moderate or hardcore or invent its own communism based on Marxist-Pierrean thought?

Also, @Thrace, I understand I don't control things in other people's countries and such, but it sounds to me like you're saying they can say communism doesn't exist in their borders or some such, and can handwave away the fact that communism in Western Europe is somewhat of an issue due to France encouraging it and being a major communist power. Not to mention that while I can't control what happens in their borders, I can control French socialist smugglers and such going into their countries to meet with their revolutionaries to smuggle weapons and such. Whether they succeed or not may vary, tho...

Well lets put it this way. Do you feel I should be able to say there is a strong pro-german monarchy leaning dissidence in the benelux region. Then i said i armed and suppirted a revolt in your territory to form the protectorate of benelux under german rule.

Would you really accept that? I highly doubt that and you cannot expect others to accept that.

[Democratic East-Asia]

Italy is a moderate Marxist-Pierrean state, France is a hardcore staunch Marxist-Pierrean state...

Will China be moderate or hardcore or invent its own communism based on Marxist-Pierrean thought?

Knowing me, it'll probably be some hardcore communist nation if it does go communist. Probably different from Marxist-Pierrean thought though.