1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC]

[The V O I D]

What u mean.



No more will the workers and people of Germany suffer under the iron boot of the Bourgeoisie Prussians and their capitalist pig dog agenda!

Your Basque thing has all of Catalonia and not even all of the Basque country. Might as well make it a Catalan communist state.

The Workers' Republic of Catalonia works too...

@Dires.
Damn... well... we must find... other ways to remove the Bourgeoisie Japanese.

[Sanabel]

Quick question, is Japan a perfect utopia with a perfect economy and social harmony, and no real military weaknesses that aren't geographic, or does it have some sort of issues?

[Democratic East-Asia]

Hmm.. China is kinda poor per capita wise. And factory conditions are far from good... revolution much? That or maybe some democracy would do.

[Dires]

Your Basque thing has all of Catalonia and not even all of the Basque country. Might as well make it a Catalan communist state.

The Workers' Republic of Catalonia works too...

@Dires.
Damn... well... we must find... other ways to remove the Bourgeoisie Japanese.

I appreciate the effort

[Democratic East-Asia]

Also, better remove slavic hordes from enroaching on Xinjiang.

[The V O I D]

Hmm.. China is kinda poor per capita wise. And factory conditions are far from good... revolution much? That or maybe some democracy would do.

MARXIST-PIERREAN THOUGHT INTENSIFIES.

[Elerian]

can somebody help me RP?

Stop posting here.

[The V O I D]

Also, better remove slavic hordes from enroaching on Xinjiang.

Ruthenia is afraid of communism.

BE COMMUNIST FRIEND.

[Dires]

Quick question, is Japan a perfect utopia with a perfect economy and social harmony, and no real military weaknesses that aren't geographic, or does it have some sort of issues?

According to us - yes.

As for weaknesses

Well we are a colonial empire, albeit a relatively benevolent one. So islanders aren't fully integrated and may take some issues with imperial rule. We also discriminate against Japanese Christians - nothing extreme, they just pay extra taxes and aren't allowed to go around converting people.

Military weakness: we are spread out all over the Pacific which is a strength and a weakness. Also, while the army has decent training and excellent morale/discipline, they aren't outfitted very well, which would work against them if they went up toe-toe against European armies. Our real strength is in our navy.

[Sanabel]

Quick question, is Japan a perfect utopia with a perfect economy and social harmony, and no real military weaknesses that aren't geographic, or does it have some sort of issues?

According to us - yes.

As for weaknesses

Well we are a colonial empire, albeit a relatively benevolent one. So islanders aren't fully integrated and may take some issues with imperial rule. We also discriminate against Japanese Christians - nothing extreme, they just pay extra taxes and aren't allowed to go around converting people.

How are these even real weaknesses?

[Dires]

According to us - yes.

As for weaknesses

Well we are a colonial empire, albeit a relatively benevolent one. So islanders aren't fully integrated and may take some issues with imperial rule. We also discriminate against Japanese Christians - nothing extreme, they just pay extra taxes and aren't allowed to go around converting people.

How are these even real weaknesses?

Hey man, no one raised an issue with me.

[Dires]

According to us - yes.

As for weaknesses

Well we are a colonial empire, albeit a relatively benevolent one. So islanders aren't fully integrated and may take some issues with imperial rule. We also discriminate against Japanese Christians - nothing extreme, they just pay extra taxes and aren't allowed to go around converting people.

How are these even real weaknesses?

What would you suggest as a real weakness? What sort of real problems did Japan have from 1890-1930?

[Democratic East-Asia]

It could just be the thing that RL Japan was never particularly involved in much during the late 1800s, other than defeating China, which was a huge backwater. But in the overall scale of things, that wasn't much. Although tbh, Japan did have a rather bad tendency to mistreat workers and monopolize.

[Sanabel]

How are these even real weaknesses?

Hey man, no one raised an issue with me.

Perhaps they should have. Nearly perfect are not very fun to have present in RPs.

It could just be the thing that RL Japan was never particularly involved in much during the late 1800s, other than defeating China. But in the overall scale of things, that wasn't much. Although tbh, Japan did have a rather bad tendency to mistreat workers and monopolize.

What do you mean?

[Democratic East-Asia]

What do you mean?

I have a feeling some people here don't exactly care for Japan. Honestly though, it's kind of hard to pinpoint anything major going on there, given the POD was so far back. Things get muffled I guess.

[Elerian]

How are these even real weaknesses?

What would you suggest as a real weakness? What sort of real problems did Japan have from 1890-1930?

IIRC the Japanese Empire faced a serious resource shortage which was the main reason it tried expanding in the way that it did.

[South Vict]

is my app approved yet?

[Democratic East-Asia]

IIRC the Japanese Empire faced a serious resource shortage which was the main reason it tried expanding in the way it did.

IC wise I'd probably be covering them. RP wise China has good relations with Japan as of now, and we happen to be big trading partners.

[South Vict]

is my app approved yet?

[Democratic East-Asia]

is my app approved yet?

what app?

[Elerian]

IIRC the Japanese Empire faced a serious resource shortage which was the main reason it tried expanding in the way it did.

IC wise I'd probably be covering them.

Unless you're giving them raw material hand over fist, they would face a huge trade deficit. Not to mention China is also lacking in a great many resources.

[Dires]

It could just be the thing that RL Japan was never particularly involved in much during the late 1800s, other than defeating China, which was a huge backwater. But in the overall scale of things, that wasn't much. Although tbh, Japan did have a rather bad tendency to mistreat workers and monopolize.

Well the problem is that during this time, Japan was on the upswing - it's economy and society was booming. If this was all done earlier, it's only stronger. As for monopolization, that's not a bad thing if it's a state-run corporation with serious incentive to be pushed. As for worker's rights - I don't think Japan treated its workers all that differently from the Europeans - they also have a different culture, much more about the collective and duty. Which is why today, Japanese workers have to stay long after hours, even if they aren't actually doing work, because they're boss hasn't gone home yet.

The only real issue Japan had was resources, which is why I made sure to make Japan a colonial empire over sparsely populated and resource rich lands.

Japan is a big manufacturing economy but it's also largely based on natural resource extraction and services like finance and commercial shipping.

[Democratic East-Asia]

Unless you're giving them raw material hand over fist, they would face a huge trade deficit. Not to mention China is also lacking in a great many resources.

If you think of it another way, China has quite a lot of resources if you go by internet sources, it's just that all of those are currently being used up too quickly. It has yet to reach the whole unsustainable 1.2 billion era of the PRC, and consumption per capita is rather low given most people are poor.

[Dires]

Unless you're giving them raw material hand over fist, they would face a huge trade deficit. Not to mention China is also lacking in a great many resources.

If you think of it another way, China has quite a lot of resources if you go by internet sources, it's just that all of those are currently being used up too quickly. It has yet to reach the whole unsustainable 1.2 billion era of the PRC, and consumption per capita is rather low given most people are poor.

It's fine, in terms of resources to population ratio, Japan is better situated than China. China's population is its greatest strength and challenge.

[Sanabel]

How are these even real weaknesses?

What would you suggest as a real weakness? What sort of real problems did Japan have from 1890-1930?

-Distinct lack of resources you have solved via opportune pre-arranged colonies
-Competition with stronger western powers (again butterflied away)
-Difficulty feeding their soldiers in wartime
-Little steel producing capacity
-Rigid social hierarchy and high clan economic control reducing innovation and competition
Just to name a few.

You, fortunately, butterflied away most of these before even getting into the IC. And apparently your Japan has almost 0 issues whatsoever.