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Postby Velahor » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:54 am

The V O I D wrote:Also, the French Socialist Republic probably has limited or almost no trade with capitalist nations, a fair amount of trade with "socialist" nations (China, for one), and trades frequently and freely with other communist nations such as Italy.

Really looking forward to seeing Orson's completed app.


Yeah, I should have added that trade with the French ended in the late 1840's when the French monarchy was overthrown.
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:04 am

Velahor wrote:
The V O I D wrote:Also, the French Socialist Republic probably has limited or almost no trade with capitalist nations, a fair amount of trade with "socialist" nations (China, for one), and trades frequently and freely with other communist nations such as Italy.

Really looking forward to seeing Orson's completed app.


Yeah, I should have added that trade with the French ended in the late 1840's when the French monarchy was overthrown.

If it happened at all. Between Cambria, the Azteks, Japan, and New Venice, you may not have ever even had contact with the French.

Edit: Also, Velahor, your own flag is quite good and inspired this design below. The jagged bits representing the white-capped Rockies, red for the badlands below, whence the "red man" comes. Flat towards the Pacific coast, blue for the ocean and sky above, and the medicine wheel for the sun representing life and spirituality. Again, all yours if you care to use it. :)

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Postby Velahor » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:09 pm

This is an updated version, correcting some dates, taking into account the French Socialist Revolution, taming down the war with the Cambrians a little bit and showing the eventual peace and trade with them, and adding a new flag.
Full Nation Name : The Federation of Northern Native Tribes (Usually simplified to Blackfoot-Salish Federation, due to these being the founding tribes of the federation)
Flag: Image
Majority/Official Culture : Northern Plains and Pacific Coast Native American
Territorial Core : Montana, Idaho, Washington, western parts of the Dakotas, Northern California, Oregon, Northern Wyoming
Territorial Claim : All lands reaching south to the border with the Aztek Ascendancy, East to Lake Michigan, and southeast to the border with URA. These lands are considered part of their territory, but are not as highly populated as their territorial core. Religiously, they believe they hold a spiritual claim to certain areas of RL Alberta and British Columbia.
Capital City : Kalispel (RL Kalipell, MT, but considerably larger, surrounding the northern end of Flathead Lake)
Population : 2.4 Million

Government Type : Fascist Government constructed to mirror the structure of the tribes in their more primitive days
Government Ideology/Policies : VERY nationalist, with patriotism and religion intertwined. The Salish, (as all members of the federation are effectively called), believe that it is THEIR duty to protect holy lands from "the whiteskins". However, Europeans are welcome allies and trading partners, but cannot hold a claim to these lands as they do not recognize the "spirits" that occupy the land, and do not perform the proper rituals to protect the spirits.
Government Focus : Healthcare (to ward off smallpox epidemic), reclaiming holy lands, developing modern technology and industry
Head of State : Grand Chief Charles Dark Eagle
Head of Government : Charles Dark Eagle, with military lead by Chief-Warrior William Kootenai
Government Description : Think of Charles Dark Eagle as a Native American Pinochet: nationalist,and ruthless with his enemies. This is mirrored by the whole government. They are wary of outsiders, and while citizens are afforded a decent amount of social freedom, rebellion against the Federation's ideology is treated as treason.

Majority/State Religion : Tradition of The Land Spirits
Religious Description : The Tradition of The Land spirits is a state religion, adapted from Blackfoot tribal religion. It's main belief is that there are spirits in the Land, Air, and Water that are the ancestors of humanity. These spirits are satisfied by rituals performed yearly on the summer solstice (The Day of the High Sun). This day involves a 24 hour fast in which all the food that would be eaten in that time is buried for the spirits. All landowners are required to participate in this ritual. This religion also is used as propaganda for the Federation's nationalist nature.

Economic Ideologies : 50% geolibertarianism, 50% fascistic control economy.
Major Production : Agriculutre, fishing, mining, weapons manufacturing.
Economic Description : Agriculture, fishing, and hunting are under control of the government. Considered necessary for survival, these industries plus the healthcare industry are held publicly. In contrast, private business is allowed in all other industries, including mining, manufacturing, and service industries. There is no income tax, but, as in the concept of geolibertarianism, the government makes its money by charging fees for using natural resources.

Army Strength : Strong cavalry and infantry. Much more technologically advanced than the RL Natives were due to foreign military aid. All able bodied men over the age of 14 are members of the always standing army, and usually carry weapons even while doing their civilian jobs.
Army Weakness : The Federation's low population compared to its size makes its territory difficult to defend. In addition, while weapons manufacturing is becoming a legitimate industry, there is very little in terms of steel mining in the Federation, making the cost of building weapons much more expensive.
Naval Strength : Carried on from a long tradition of sea-faring among the tribes situated in the Pacific Northwest, the navy is small but proud.
Naval Weakness : Considering that it is 1870, the Federation has not gotten to the point of developing iron-clad ships. Also, the navy is not experienced in long sailing expeditions has the Federation has no overseas interests, so they are effectively more of a coast guard than a navy.
Further Military Description : The Army, battle-tested and requiring compulsory service, is dangerously good at what they do. Known for their swift cavalry, their form of guerilla warfare is swift and devastating, with a specialtiy of burning enemy cities to the ground. On the other hand, their navy is pretty terrible at attacking, but they do a good job defending Puget Sound and the coasts.

National Goals : keep up with European technology, reclaim "holy lands" to the north (though currently at peace with Cambria), continue to fight off those who want their land
National issues: what to do after the death of their leader, as he is getting old. Maintaining sovreignty from other countries interested in their resources. Rehabilitating bison herds and expanding agriculture.
National Figures of Interest : Charles Dark Eagle- current Grand Chief (president/dictator) war hero who was reknowned for his bravery in the siege of Victoria, the Battle of Bear Mountain (RL Glacier National Park), and leader of the retaliation against the Cambrians in the Puyallup Massacre. A charismatic, forward-thinking leader, he used his outstanding diplomatic abilities to create powerful alliances in Europe, that lead to centuries worth of technological progress for the Salish happening over the course of three decades.
David Standsalone: President of The Yellowstone Company, a mining, oil, and manufacturing conglomerate. Has the ear of Dark Eagle any time he wants
National Ambition/Aspirations : Uniting the workers and people of the world in glorious revolution.

History :
History until 1804 is the same.
In 1804, Merriweather Lewis and William Clark's westward expedition fails, slowing American westward expansion. Over the next eight years, encounters between Americans and Natives across North America become increasingly violent.
The War of 1812 between the Cambrians and the Americans begins. The Cambrians arm the Blackfoot, Sioux, Flathead, Ute, Comanche and Shoshone tribes in an attempt to prevent other nations from expanding into Cambrian claimed Columbia and Oregon territories. While the War of 1812 ends as it did in real life, Britain continues to arm the Natives as a barrier between their territory and the Americans. It was during this time that many Natives learned the English language.
Peaceful relations between the Natives and the Cambrians briefly turn sour in 1841 when a territorial misunderstanding leads a group of Cambrian traders to believe that natives were preparing to raid one of their camps. In what is known as the Puyallup Massacre, 200 Salish people were slaughtered by Cambrians forces, leading to a retaliation in which several tribes burned down a British fort near Boise, Idaho.
This marked the beginning of what would come to be known as the Second French and Indian War. The reason for its name, is because tribal elders from the Blackfoot tribe made contact with French fur traders who managed to get the word to the French monarchy that they were willing to trade massive gold reserves located near RL Bannock, MT for mercenaries and weapons during the war. In addition, The Azteks came to the Natives aid, providing them with weapons and funds, shaping the Natives into This diplomatic negotiation lead to the League of Tribes, a precursor to the eventual Federation.
While the war was going very poorly for the Natives at first, the tides turned once they received weapons and reinforcements from the French. Under the training of some of France's best military officers, The Natives became skilled in modernized warfare, and picked up some European culture along the way. The first major victory of the war was when all 15 tribes of the league and the French put the city and fort of Victoria, BC under siege. The siege lasted 65 days, and lead to an eventual cease-fire. The line of demarcation was the 49th parallel, and no troops were allowed to cross it. The Treaty of Kalispel was signed by the British, offering the Natives all land south of the 49th Parallel, on the condition that the French military left and the land was never traded to the French. Ultimately, the war was fairly short, and hard feeling between the the Cambrians and the Natives soon subsided.
This happened in 1843. Soon, trade with the French ended as the French homeland was taken by revolution. Regular trade and peace resumed with the Cambrians, as Salish and Cambrians found common ground over similarities in their religion and their goals for the region. In this post-war time, all Native tribes began to be collectively known as the Salish.
During the wartime, the Natives established their first cities out of the necessity of protecting women and children. This slowly brought their nomadic lifestyle to a close. The next 30 years have been relatively peaceful. A government to oversee all the tribes was founded by the Salish-Kootenai and Blackfoot tribes in late 1845, and three years later, all of the tribes within current territory signed the agreement to join. They gave the Federation its current name, The Federation of Northern Native Tribes, but their first name, the Blackfoot-Salish Federation stuck, especially with Europeans. War hero Charles Dark Eagle was chosen as the Grand Chief, the nations highest office, to serve until death.
The remaining time until 1870 has been spent trading with European and American nations and developing technologically. At some point in this time, they signed the Mason-Dixon treaty, preventing other North American nations from expanding into their territory.
Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 4
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used: 10/10
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Postby Velahor » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:15 pm

Oh and forget the smallpox thing on that one. I need to proofread better lol.
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Postby Mechanist Combine » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:35 pm

Full Nation Name : Norse Republic of Scandinavia
Flag: Le Flag
Majority/Official Culture : Norsemen
Territorial Core : Sweden, Finland, Norway
Territorial Claim : None
Capital City : Stockholm, Sweden
Population : ~21 Million

Government Type : Republic
Government Ideology/Policies : Unity, Equality, Order
Government Focus : Defence of borders,
Head of State : Minister Áleifr Arnbjorg
Head of Government : The Republican Council (Controlling Party: Sveriges Socialdemokratiska arbetarparti)
Government Description : The government has three councils (The Republican Council (3 year terms), the Council of territorial Unions (8 year terms, leaders of unions), and the Democratic Assembly (Public, no terms)). There are three parties currently they are; Sveriges Socialdemokratiska arbetarparti (Socialist), Sverigedemokraterna (Conservative), Klassiskt Liberala Partiet (Moderate Liberal)

Majority/State Religion : Norse paganism
Religious Description : N/A

Economic Ideologies : Social-Capitalism (Markets and economy managed by the government, citizens are free to start businesses as they wish, but all is owned by the government)
Major Production : Lumber, Ships, Machinery, Raw Metals (Iron/ Steel), Weapons, Fish
Economic Description : The economy is very managed, with expenditures distributed to certain sectors and used there to produce for the country. But citizens are allowed to start their own businesses in certain business sectors, all businesses are in the end owned by the government.

Army Strength & Weakness : With a very in depth training program and the military had fully adopted revolvers in both the sidearm and rifle capacities. The Army is organised into small elite divisions (Bands) throughout the country many are positioned near the country's borders.
Naval Strength : The Navy specialises in small fast steamships
Naval Weakness : The ships have a massive lack of hull armor and are very vulnerable to cannon shots because of this, normally going down in only one hit.
Further Military Description: Uniforms (Officers on left, Other on right)

National Issues : Need for imported food due to long winters.
National Figures of Interest : None
National Ambition/Aspirations : The government wishes to fully industrialise the country and become less dependent on other countries for food.

History :

1066: Viking raids cease being profitable and thus stop.
1200: Jarl Erikson conquers Norway, Sweden and Finland, and begins a rein of terror in Scandinavia
1238: Jarl Erikson dies, a large power struggle begins
1400: Scandinavia reunited under the banner of Jarl Agmundr
1450: Finnish and Norwegian peasants rebel after the Jarl begins to extort them with heavy taxes
1500: The Kingdom of Finland and Empire of Norway split the land in two and rule in peace for a time
1567: The Empire of Norway is attacked and conquered by Finland
1670: The Kingdom of Finland collapses due to economic pressures and breaks into lesser Jarls fighting for control
1700: The Scandinavian Empire is formed after all the factions are conquered.
1790: New SE leadership proves to be cowardly and cruel, oppressing its citizens
1860: Inspired by the French revolution Scandinavian citizens revolt, quickly taking Stockholm and overthrowing the Jarl
1861: The new government would begin to form and takes control of the the Empire, the new government would take the name Norse Republic of Scandinavia.
1862: A Constitution is Drafted for the NRS, giving rights to the citizenry and increased rights to workers, introducing socialist policies and managing the economy
1865: The NRS begins to heavily industrialise
1870: The NRS has become an partially industrialised nation, producing weapons and ships for other countries and its own military.

Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 3
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
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Postby Second Helghan Empire » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:38 pm

Mechanist Combine wrote:
Full Nation Name : Norse Republic of Scandinavia
Flag: Le Flag
Majority/Official Culture : Norsemen
Territorial Core : Sweden, Finland, Norway
Territorial Claim : None
Capital City : Stockholm, Sweden
Population : ~21 Million

Government Type : Republic
Government Ideology/Policies : Unity, Equality, Order
Government Focus : Defence of borders,
Head of State : Minister Áleifr Arnbjorg
Head of Government : The Republican Council (Controlling Party: Sveriges Socialdemokratiska arbetarparti)
Government Description : The government has three councils (The Republican Council (3 year terms), the Council of territorial Unions (8 year terms, leaders of unions), and the Democratic Assembly (Public, no terms)). There are three parties currently they are; Sveriges Socialdemokratiska arbetarparti (Socialist), Sverigedemokraterna (Conservative), Klassiskt Liberala Partiet (Moderate Liberal)

Majority/State Religion : Norse paganism
Religious Description : N/A

Economic Ideologies : Social-Capitalism (Heavily managed markets, some freedom)
Major Production : Lumber, Ships, Machinery, Raw Metals (Iron/ Steel), Weapons, Fish
Economic Description : The economy is very managed, with expenditures distributed to certain sectors and used there to produce for the country. But citizens are allowed to start their own businesses in certain business sectors, all businesses are in the end owned by the government.

Army Strength : Well trained, Revolving Rifles
Army Weakness : Scattered and Has a lack of experience
Naval Strength : Small fast ships
Naval Weakness : Ships are fairly easy to destroy
Further Military Description: Uniforms (Officers on left, Other on right)

National Issues : Need for imported food.
National Figures of Interest : None
National Ambition/Aspirations : Further Industrialise, Feed own citizens

History :

1066: Viking raids cease being profitable and thus stop.
1200: Jarl Erikson conquers Norway, Sweden and Finland, and begins a rein of terror in Scandinavia
1238: Jarl Erikson dies, a large power struggle begins
1400: Scandinavia reunited under the banner of Jarl Agmundr
1450: Finnish and Norwegian peasants rebel after the Jarl begins to extort them with heavy taxes
1500: The Kingdom of Finland and Empire of Norway split the land in two and rule in peace for a time
1567: The Empire of Norway is attacked and conquered by Finland
1670: The Kingdom of Finland collapses due to economic pressures and breaks into lesser Jarls fighting for control
1700: The Scandinavian Empire is formed after all the factions are conquered.
1790: New SE leadership proves to be cowardly and cruel, oppressing its citizens
1860: Inspired by the French revolution Scandinavian citizens revolt, quickly taking Stockholm and overthrowing the Jarl
1861: The new government would begin to form and takes control of the the Empire, the new government would take the name Norse Republic of Scandinavia.
1862: A Constitution is Drafted for the NRS, giving rights to the citizenry and increased rights to workers, introducing socialist policies and managing the economy
1865: The NRS begins to heavily industrialise
1870: The NRS has become an mostly industrialised nation, producing weapons and ships for other countries and its own military.

Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 3
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:38 pm

5 year industrialization? I'd say you need at least a few decades unless you go all out Stalin.
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Postby Second Helghan Empire » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:39 pm

Velahor wrote:
The V O I D wrote:Also, the French Socialist Republic probably has limited or almost no trade with capitalist nations, a fair amount of trade with "socialist" nations (China, for one), and trades frequently and freely with other communist nations such as Italy.

Really looking forward to seeing Orson's completed app.


Yeah, I should have added that trade with the French ended in the late 1840's when the French monarchy was overthrown.


I think it must really hurt the french economy to only be ableto trade with two other nations in the world.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:43 pm

Mechanist Combine wrote:
Full Nation Name : Norse Republic of Scandinavia
Flag: Le Flag
Majority/Official Culture : Norsemen
Territorial Core : Sweden, Finland, Norway
Territorial Claim : None
Capital City : Stockholm, Sweden
Population : ~21 Million

Government Type : Republic
Government Ideology/Policies : Unity, Equality, Order
Government Focus : Defence of borders,
Head of State : Minister Áleifr Arnbjorg
Head of Government : The Republican Council (Controlling Party: Sveriges Socialdemokratiska arbetarparti)
Government Description : The government has three councils (The Republican Council (3 year terms), the Council of territorial Unions (8 year terms, leaders of unions), and the Democratic Assembly (Public, no terms)). There are three parties currently they are; Sveriges Socialdemokratiska arbetarparti (Socialist), Sverigedemokraterna (Conservative), Klassiskt Liberala Partiet (Moderate Liberal)

Majority/State Religion : Norse paganism
Religious Description : N/A

Economic Ideologies : Social-Capitalism (Heavily managed markets, some freedom)
Major Production : Lumber, Ships, Machinery, Raw Metals (Iron/ Steel), Weapons, Fish
Economic Description : The economy is very managed, with expenditures distributed to certain sectors and used there to produce for the country. But citizens are allowed to start their own businesses in certain business sectors, all businesses are in the end owned by the government.

Army Strength : Well trained, Revolving Rifles
Army Weakness : Scattered and Has a lack of experience
Naval Strength : Small fast ships
Naval Weakness : Ships are fairly easy to destroy
Further Military Description: Uniforms (Officers on left, Other on right)

National Issues : Need for imported food.
National Figures of Interest : None
National Ambition/Aspirations : Further Industrialise, Feed own citizens

History :

1066: Viking raids cease being profitable and thus stop.
1200: Jarl Erikson conquers Norway, Sweden and Finland, and begins a rein of terror in Scandinavia
1238: Jarl Erikson dies, a large power struggle begins
1400: Scandinavia reunited under the banner of Jarl Agmundr
1450: Finnish and Norwegian peasants rebel after the Jarl begins to extort them with heavy taxes
1500: The Kingdom of Finland and Empire of Norway split the land in two and rule in peace for a time
1567: The Empire of Norway is attacked and conquered by Finland
1670: The Kingdom of Finland collapses due to economic pressures and breaks into lesser Jarls fighting for control
1700: The Scandinavian Empire is formed after all the factions are conquered.
1790: New SE leadership proves to be cowardly and cruel, oppressing its citizens
1860: Inspired by the French revolution Scandinavian citizens revolt, quickly taking Stockholm and overthrowing the Jarl
1861: The new government would begin to form and takes control of the the Empire, the new government would take the name Norse Republic of Scandinavia.
1862: A Constitution is Drafted for the NRS, giving rights to the citizenry and increased rights to workers, introducing socialist policies and managing the economy
1865: The NRS begins to heavily industrialise
1870: The NRS has become an mostly industrialised nation, producing weapons and ships for other countries and its own military.

Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 3
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
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Well, it needs more details overall. At the very least, in the military section, where you at least need to use full sentences. The strengths and weaknesses themselves aren't all that good either, but if you express them properly, the army ones would work. Well trained, with advanced equipment, while small in numbers and having to defend a rather large territory. But for the navy, nope. You could go with a preference for small fast ships to defend your coasts, but "ships are fairly easy to destroy" doesn't make much sense on its own.
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:48 pm

Velahor wrote:Oh and forget the smallpox thing on that one. I need to proofread better lol.

Just being nitpicky, but change British Columbia to Cambrian Columbia. :P
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Postby Atreidya » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:53 pm

Cymrea wrote:
Velahor wrote:Oh and forget the smallpox thing on that one. I need to proofread better lol.

Just being nitpicky, but change British Columbia to Cambrian Columbia. :P


Please change it to something like west Columbia because one of my URA states is called columbia originally Cambrian Columbia.

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Postby Mechanist Combine » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:57 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Mechanist Combine wrote:
Full Nation Name : Norse Republic of Scandinavia
Flag: Le Flag
Majority/Official Culture : Norsemen
Territorial Core : Sweden, Finland, Norway
Territorial Claim : None
Capital City : Stockholm, Sweden
Population : ~21 Million

Government Type : Republic
Government Ideology/Policies : Unity, Equality, Order
Government Focus : Defence of borders,
Head of State : Minister Áleifr Arnbjorg
Head of Government : The Republican Council (Controlling Party: Sveriges Socialdemokratiska arbetarparti)
Government Description : The government has three councils (The Republican Council (3 year terms), the Council of territorial Unions (8 year terms, leaders of unions), and the Democratic Assembly (Public, no terms)). There are three parties currently they are; Sveriges Socialdemokratiska arbetarparti (Socialist), Sverigedemokraterna (Conservative), Klassiskt Liberala Partiet (Moderate Liberal)

Majority/State Religion : Norse paganism
Religious Description : N/A

Economic Ideologies : Social-Capitalism (Heavily managed markets, some freedom)
Major Production : Lumber, Ships, Machinery, Raw Metals (Iron/ Steel), Weapons, Fish
Economic Description : The economy is very managed, with expenditures distributed to certain sectors and used there to produce for the country. But citizens are allowed to start their own businesses in certain business sectors, all businesses are in the end owned by the government.

Army Strength : Well trained, Revolving Rifles
Army Weakness : Scattered and Has a lack of experience
Naval Strength : Small fast ships
Naval Weakness : Ships are fairly easy to destroy
Further Military Description: Uniforms (Officers on left, Other on right)

National Issues : Need for imported food.
National Figures of Interest : None
National Ambition/Aspirations : Further Industrialise, Feed own citizens

History :

1066: Viking raids cease being profitable and thus stop.
1200: Jarl Erikson conquers Norway, Sweden and Finland, and begins a rein of terror in Scandinavia
1238: Jarl Erikson dies, a large power struggle begins
1400: Scandinavia reunited under the banner of Jarl Agmundr
1450: Finnish and Norwegian peasants rebel after the Jarl begins to extort them with heavy taxes
1500: The Kingdom of Finland and Empire of Norway split the land in two and rule in peace for a time
1567: The Empire of Norway is attacked and conquered by Finland
1670: The Kingdom of Finland collapses due to economic pressures and breaks into lesser Jarls fighting for control
1700: The Scandinavian Empire is formed after all the factions are conquered.
1790: New SE leadership proves to be cowardly and cruel, oppressing its citizens
1860: Inspired by the French revolution Scandinavian citizens revolt, quickly taking Stockholm and overthrowing the Jarl
1861: The new government would begin to form and takes control of the the Empire, the new government would take the name Norse Republic of Scandinavia.
1862: A Constitution is Drafted for the NRS, giving rights to the citizenry and increased rights to workers, introducing socialist policies and managing the economy
1865: The NRS begins to heavily industrialise
1870: The NRS has become an mostly industrialised nation, producing weapons and ships for other countries and its own military.

Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 3
Comparison Points – Economy : 3
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
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So, what did I miss or need to fix?

Well, it needs more details overall. At the very least, in the military section, where you at least need to use full sentences. The strengths and weaknesses themselves aren't all that good either, but if you express them properly, the army ones would work. Well trained, with advanced equipment, while small in numbers and having to defend a rather large territory. But for the navy, nope. You could go with a preference for small fast ships to defend your coasts, but "ships are fairly easy to destroy" doesn't make much sense on its own.


I will elaborate on things and expand them but "advanced equipment" is a stretch, revolving rifles (in our world) go back to 1840 and a bit earlier.
I mean sure military's didn't adopt them, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. The point it, that technology is not advanced but simply a viable weapon for the time.

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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:00 pm

Mechanist Combine wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Well, it needs more details overall. At the very least, in the military section, where you at least need to use full sentences. The strengths and weaknesses themselves aren't all that good either, but if you express them properly, the army ones would work. Well trained, with advanced equipment, while small in numbers and having to defend a rather large territory. But for the navy, nope. You could go with a preference for small fast ships to defend your coasts, but "ships are fairly easy to destroy" doesn't make much sense on its own.


I will elaborate on things and expand them but "advanced equipment" is a stretch, revolving rifles (in our world) go back to 1840 and a bit earlier.
I mean sure military's didn't adopt them, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. The point it, that technology is not advanced but simply a viable weapon for the time.

It's your choice, I was simply suggesting, but to keep it balanced, good equipment and good training in a small professional army could fit Scandinavia well, and you can also develop it by taking inspiration from the vikings.
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Postby Mechanist Combine » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:03 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Mechanist Combine wrote:
I will elaborate on things and expand them but "advanced equipment" is a stretch, revolving rifles (in our world) go back to 1840 and a bit earlier.
I mean sure military's didn't adopt them, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist. The point it, that technology is not advanced but simply a viable weapon for the time.

It's your choice, I was simply suggesting, but to keep it balanced, good equipment and good training in a small professional army could fit Scandinavia well, and you can also develop it by taking inspiration from the vikings.


Not saying its a bad Idea, especially for the vikings Scandinavians, but the point of the last thing was that Revolver technology was in no way advance in 1870, not that having a smaller but more elite army organised into small division throughout the country is a bad idea.

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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:05 pm

Atreidya wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Just being nitpicky, but change British Columbia to Cambrian Columbia. :P


Please change it to something like west Columbia because one of my URA states is called columbia originally Cambrian Columbia.

That works. West Columbia it is. :)
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:07 pm

Mechanist Combine wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:It's your choice, I was simply suggesting, but to keep it balanced, good equipment and good training in a small professional army could fit Scandinavia well, and you can also develop it by taking inspiration from the vikings.


Not saying its a bad Idea, especially for the vikings Scandinavians, but the point of the last thing was that Revolver technology was in no way advance in 1870, not that having a smaller but more elite army organised into small division throughout the country is a bad idea.

Yeah, I know, I wasn't considering the revolver technology to be advanced when I said, it was simply giving a separate suggestion.
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:10 pm

Velahor: Just re-reading your history. There wasn't a War of 1812, and if there was anything like it, it would be in the history of URA or Novanglia.

If I may offer some advice, just stick with the history in your own region, that way you don't have to work out any entanglements with other players' histories. Build more on your internal happenings, that should leave you lots of leeway to work out your current relations with the folks around you. :)

The bonus is that any re-writes are way easier (always good), and it allows you to focus on and develop your nation better.
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Postby Mechanist Combine » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:13 pm

Tracian Empire wrote:
Mechanist Combine wrote:
Not saying its a bad Idea, especially for the vikings Scandinavians, but the point of the last thing was that Revolver technology was in no way advance in 1870, not that having a smaller but more elite army organised into small division throughout the country is a bad idea.

Yeah, I know, I wasn't considering the revolver technology to be advanced when I said, it was simply giving a separate suggestion.


Anything specific that is a gripe for you that is not the military description?

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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:16 pm

Mechanist Combine wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Yeah, I know, I wasn't considering the revolver technology to be advanced when I said, it was simply giving a separate suggestion.


Anything specific that is a gripe for you that is not the military description?

I think that you should also add more details in the history section. Put more accent on how the vikings and their Norse culture survived, and on how Scandinavia was united.
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Postby Velahor » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:18 pm

Cymrea wrote:Velahor: Just re-reading your history. There wasn't a War of 1812, and if there was anything like it, it would be in the history of URA or Novanglia.

If I may offer some advice, just stick with the history in your own region, that way you don't have to work out any entanglements with other players' histories. Build more on your internal happenings, that should leave you lots of leeway to work out your current relations with the folks around you. :)


I guess this is where a little bit of a problem lies, partially to blame in the fact that we all have differring start dates and partially because I didn't read everyone else's apps well enough. But removing the War of 1812 is an easy fix, and the arming of the Natives (Salish) can happen without that specific conflict. Thanks for the advice! I'm new to this so I'm kinda just trying things and seeing what works:)
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:20 pm

Mechanist Combine wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Yeah, I know, I wasn't considering the revolver technology to be advanced when I said, it was simply giving a separate suggestion.


Anything specific that is a gripe for you that is not the military description?

The only advice I have is to maybe re-word 1865 as beginning your industrial revolution. The beginning of each nation's industrialisation was pretty much as big as they could go. There's no need to stress that. And for 1870, five years is a pretty brief period to go from the start of industrialisation to mostly industrialised nationwide. You could just say that developing technologies and sciences is a high priority for your nation. That's clear enough without having to get too specific. :)

Aside from those small things, and tweaking the military descriptions, it looks good to me.

The reason military descriptions is so important is that we want to establish a very clear idea about each nation's military status - because we realy, really want to avoid textual Calvinball when it comes to any kind of actual conflict. The better the descriptions at the start, the less chance of arguments and fumblings down the road. :)
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:20 pm

Velahor wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Velahor: Just re-reading your history. There wasn't a War of 1812, and if there was anything like it, it would be in the history of URA or Novanglia.

If I may offer some advice, just stick with the history in your own region, that way you don't have to work out any entanglements with other players' histories. Build more on your internal happenings, that should leave you lots of leeway to work out your current relations with the folks around you. :)


I guess this is where a little bit of a problem lies, partially to blame in the fact that we all have differring start dates and partially because I didn't read everyone else's apps well enough. But removing the War of 1812 is an easy fix, and the arming of the Natives (Salish) can happen without that specific conflict. Thanks for the advice! I'm new to this so I'm kinda just trying things and seeing what works:)

No worries. You've got a great idea going, and I'm here to help. :)

Arming and modernisation of your tribes can be a result of interaction and trade with Cambrian Canada and probably even Aztek - I think he'd be good with that.
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Postby The V O I D » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:45 pm

SCANDINAVIA IS DOMINATED BY THEIR SOCIALISTS?

GOOD. JUST NEED TO RADICALIZE THEM.

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Postby Dires » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:48 pm

Cymrea wrote:
Mechanist Combine wrote:
Anything specific that is a gripe for you that is not the military description?

The only advice I have is to maybe re-word 1865 as beginning your industrial revolution. The beginning of each nation's industrialisation was pretty much as big as they could go. There's no need to stress that. And for 1870, five years is a pretty brief period to go from the start of industrialisation to mostly industrialised nationwide. You could just say that developing technologies and sciences is a high priority for your nation. That's clear enough without having to get too specific. :)

Aside from those small things, and tweaking the military descriptions, it looks good to me.

The reason military descriptions is so important is that we want to establish a very clear idea about each nation's military status - because we realy, really want to avoid textual Calvinball when it comes to any kind of actual conflict. The better the descriptions at the start, the less chance of arguments and fumblings down the road. :)


Can we get some sort of military ranking for land and naval power? I made much of my app establishing why and how Japan is a top 2 naval power but some of the applications we're getting are just claiming that without any sort explanation.
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Postby Dires » Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:50 pm

The V O I D wrote:Also, the French Socialist Republic probably has limited or almost no trade with capitalist nations, a fair amount of trade with "socialist" nations (China, for one), and trades frequently and freely with other communist nations such as Italy.

Really looking forward to seeing Orson's completed app.


How will that work? Since China is a major economic and trade partner of ours, a large percentage of Chinese shipping is handled by Japan as we have a better merchant and military navy to move and defend it than they do themselves. Not to mention the East Pacific is Japan's territory.
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