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Postby Cymrea » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:58 pm

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Communist Italy, is, however a reservation. Reservations aren't always on the map, that's why you should check the reservation and accepted list more than the map.

Oh. Ok. :meh:

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Okay so, I'll check the apps of Italy and of that American state later today.
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Postby Dires » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:34 pm

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Full Nation Name : The Federation of Northern Native Tribes (Usually simplified to Blackfoot-Salish Federation, due to these being the founding tribes of the federation)
Flag: http://www.tmealf.com/native_american/Athabascan.jpg (I know this is another real-life tribe's flag, but that was never made in the Alt-Div)
Majority/Official Culture : Northern Plains and Pacific Coast Native American
Territorial Core : Montana, Idaho, Washington, western parts of the Dakotas, Northern California, Oregon, Northern Wyoming
Territorial Claim : All lands reaching south to the border with the Aztek Ascendancy, East to Lake Michigan, and southeast to the border with URA. These lands are considered part of their territory, but are not as highly populated as their territorial core. Religiously, they believe they hold a spiritual claim to certain areas of RL Alberta and British Columbia.
Capital City : Kalispel (RL Kalipell, MT, but considerably larger, surrounding the northern end of Flathead Lake)
Population : 2.4 Million

Government Type : Fascist Government constructed to mirror the structure of the tribes in their more primitive days
Government Ideology/Policies : VERY nationalist, with patriotism and religion intertwined. The Salish, (as all members of the federation are effectively called), believe that it is THEIR duty to protect holy lands from "the whiteskins". However, Europeans are welcome allies and trading partners, but cannot hold a claim to these lands as they do not recognize the "spirits" that occupy the land, and do not perform the proper rituals to protect the spirits.
Government Focus : Healthcare (to ward off smallpox epidemic), reclaiming holy lands, developing modern technology and industry
Head of State : Grand Chief Charles Dark Eagle
Head of Government : Charles Dark Eagle, with military lead by Chief-Warrior William Kootenai
Government Description : Think of Charles Dark Eagle as a Native American Pinochet: nationalist,and ruthless with his enemies. This is mirrored by the whole government. They are wary of outsiders, and while citizens are afforded a decent amount of social freedom, rebellion against the Federation's ideology is treated as treason.

Majority/State Religion : Tradition of The Land Spirits
Religious Description : The Tradition of The Land spirits is a state religion, adapted from Blackfoot tribal religion. It's main belief is that there are spirits in the Land, Air, and Water that are the ancestors of humanity. These spirits are satisfied by rituals performed yearly on the summer solstice (The Day of the High Sun). This day involves a 24 hour fast in which all the food that would be eaten in that time is buried for the spirits. All landowners are required to participate in this ritual. This religion also is used as propaganda for the Federation's nationalist nature.

Economic Ideologies : 50% geolibertarianism, 50% fascistic control economy.
Major Production : Agriculutre, fishing, mining, weapons manufacturing.
Economic Description : Agriculture, fishing, and hunting are under control of the government. Considered necessary for survival, these industries plus the healthcare industry are held publicly. In contrast, private business is allowed in all other industries, including mining, manufacturing, and service industries. There is no income tax, but, as in the concept of geolibertarianism, the government makes its money by charging fees for using natural resources.

Army Strength : Strong cavalry and infantry. Much more technologically advanced than the RL Natives were due to foreign military aid. All able bodied men over the age of 14 are members of the always standing army, and usually carry weapons even while doing their civilian jobs.
Army Weakness : The Federation's low population compared to its size makes its territory difficult to defend. In addition, while weapons manufacturing is becoming a legitimate industry, there is very little in terms of steel mining in the Federation, making the cost of building weapons much more expensive.
Naval Strength : Carried on from a long tradition of sea-faring among the tribes situated in the Pacific Northwest, the navy is small but proud.
Naval Weakness : Considering that it is 1870, the Federation has not gotten to the point of developing iron-clad ships. Also, the navy is not experienced in long sailing expeditions has the Federation has no overseas interests, so they are effectively more of a coast guard than a navy.
Further Military Description : The Army, battle-tested and requiring compulsory service, is dangerously good at what they do. Known for their swift cavalry, their form of guerilla warfare is swift and devastating, with a specialtiy of burning enemy cities to the ground. On the other hand, their navy is pretty terrible at attacking, but they do a good job defending Puget Sound and the coasts.

National Goals : keep up with European technology, hold off serious healthcare issues (smallpox epidemic), reclaim "holy lands" to the north, continue to fight off those who want their land
National issues: what to do after the death of their leader, as he is getting old. Maintaining sovreignty from other countries interested in their resources. Rehabilitating bison herds and expanding agriculture.
National Figures of Interest : Charles Dark Eagle- current Grand Chief (president/dictator) war hero who was reknowned for his bravery in the siege of Victoria, the Battle of Bear Mountain (RL Glacier National Park), and leader of the retaliation against the British in the Puyallup Massacre. A charismatic, forward-thinking leader, he used his outstanding diplomatic abilities to create powerful alliances in Europe, that lead to centuries worth of technological progress for the Salish happening over the course of three decades.
David Standsalone: President of The Yellowstone Company, a mining, oil, and manufacturing conglomerate. Has the ear of Dark Eagle any time he wants
National Ambition/Aspirations : Uniting the workers and people of the world in glorious revolution.

History :
History until 1804 is the same.
In 1804, Merriweather Lewis and William Clark's westward expedition fails, slowing American westward expansion. Over the next eight years, encounters between Americans and Natives across North America become increasingly violent.
The War of 1812 between the British (Cambria?) and the Americans begins. The British arm the Blackfoot, Sioux, Flathead, Ute, Comanche and Shoshone tribes in an attempt to prevent the USA (URA?) from expanding into Britains claimed Columbia and Oregon territories. While the War of 1812 ends as it did in real life, Britain continues to arm the Natives as a barrier between their territory and the Americans. It was during this time that many Natives learned the English language.
Peaceful relations between the Natives and the British turn sour in 1841 when the British attempt to relocate a band of Salish from the Puyallup, Washington area and take their weapons. In what is known as the Puyallup Massacre, 500 Salish people were slaughtered by British forces, leading to a retaliation in which several tribes burned down a British fort near Boise, Idaho.
This marked the beginning of what would come to be known as the Second French and Indian War. The reason for its name, is because tribal elders from the Blackfoot tribe made contact with French fur traders who managed to get the word to the French monarchy that they were willing to trade massive gold reserves located near RL Bannock, MT for mercenaries and weapons during the war. This diplomatic negotiation lead to the League of Tribes, a precursor to the eventual Federation.
While the war was going very poorly for the Natives at first, the tides turned once they received weapons and reinforcements from the French. Under the training of some of France's best military officers, The Natives became skilled in modernized warfare, and picked up some European culture along the way. The first major victory of the war was when all 15 tribes of the league and the French put the city and fort of Victoria, BC under siege. The siege lasted 65 days, and lead to an eventual cease-fire. The line of demarcation was the 49th parallel, and no troops were allowed to cross it. The British broke these terms 5 months later, when a lost group of British soldiers fired upon Blackfoot Indians near Logan Pass in RL Glacier National Park. A major battle ensued with large casualties on both sides. The Treaty of Kalispel was signed by the British, offering the Natives all land south of the 49th Parallel, on the condition that the French military left and the land was never traded to the French. This happened in1945.
During the wartime, the Natives established their first cities out of the necessity of protecting women and children. This slowly brought their nomadic lifestyle to a close. The next 30 years have been relatively peaceful. A government to oversee all the tribes was founded by the Salish-Kootenai and Blackfoot tribes in late 1845, and three years later, all of the tribes within current territory signed the agreement to join. They gave the Federation its current name, The Federation of Northern Native Tribes, but their first name, the Blackfoot-Salish Federation stuck, especially with Europeans. War hero Charles Dark Eagle was chosen as the Grand Chief, the nations highest office, to serve until death.
The remaining time until 1870 has been spent trading with European and American nations and developing technologically. At some point in this time, they signed the Mason-Dixon treaty, preventing other North American nations from expanding into their territory.
Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 4
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used: 10/10
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Shouldn't smallpox and other diseases no longer be an issue? After all, your nation has already survived this long. Inoculation and tolerance should have been already taken care of.
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Postby The Ik Ka Ek Akai » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:37 pm

Dires wrote:
Velahor wrote:
Full Nation Name : The Federation of Northern Native Tribes (Usually simplified to Blackfoot-Salish Federation, due to these being the founding tribes of the federation)
Flag: http://www.tmealf.com/native_american/Athabascan.jpg (I know this is another real-life tribe's flag, but that was never made in the Alt-Div)
Majority/Official Culture : Northern Plains and Pacific Coast Native American
Territorial Core : Montana, Idaho, Washington, western parts of the Dakotas, Northern California, Oregon, Northern Wyoming
Territorial Claim : All lands reaching south to the border with the Aztek Ascendancy, East to Lake Michigan, and southeast to the border with URA. These lands are considered part of their territory, but are not as highly populated as their territorial core. Religiously, they believe they hold a spiritual claim to certain areas of RL Alberta and British Columbia.
Capital City : Kalispel (RL Kalipell, MT, but considerably larger, surrounding the northern end of Flathead Lake)
Population : 2.4 Million

Government Type : Fascist Government constructed to mirror the structure of the tribes in their more primitive days
Government Ideology/Policies : VERY nationalist, with patriotism and religion intertwined. The Salish, (as all members of the federation are effectively called), believe that it is THEIR duty to protect holy lands from "the whiteskins". However, Europeans are welcome allies and trading partners, but cannot hold a claim to these lands as they do not recognize the "spirits" that occupy the land, and do not perform the proper rituals to protect the spirits.
Government Focus : Healthcare (to ward off smallpox epidemic), reclaiming holy lands, developing modern technology and industry
Head of State : Grand Chief Charles Dark Eagle
Head of Government : Charles Dark Eagle, with military lead by Chief-Warrior William Kootenai
Government Description : Think of Charles Dark Eagle as a Native American Pinochet: nationalist,and ruthless with his enemies. This is mirrored by the whole government. They are wary of outsiders, and while citizens are afforded a decent amount of social freedom, rebellion against the Federation's ideology is treated as treason.

Majority/State Religion : Tradition of The Land Spirits
Religious Description : The Tradition of The Land spirits is a state religion, adapted from Blackfoot tribal religion. It's main belief is that there are spirits in the Land, Air, and Water that are the ancestors of humanity. These spirits are satisfied by rituals performed yearly on the summer solstice (The Day of the High Sun). This day involves a 24 hour fast in which all the food that would be eaten in that time is buried for the spirits. All landowners are required to participate in this ritual. This religion also is used as propaganda for the Federation's nationalist nature.

Economic Ideologies : 50% geolibertarianism, 50% fascistic control economy.
Major Production : Agriculutre, fishing, mining, weapons manufacturing.
Economic Description : Agriculture, fishing, and hunting are under control of the government. Considered necessary for survival, these industries plus the healthcare industry are held publicly. In contrast, private business is allowed in all other industries, including mining, manufacturing, and service industries. There is no income tax, but, as in the concept of geolibertarianism, the government makes its money by charging fees for using natural resources.

Army Strength : Strong cavalry and infantry. Much more technologically advanced than the RL Natives were due to foreign military aid. All able bodied men over the age of 14 are members of the always standing army, and usually carry weapons even while doing their civilian jobs.
Army Weakness : The Federation's low population compared to its size makes its territory difficult to defend. In addition, while weapons manufacturing is becoming a legitimate industry, there is very little in terms of steel mining in the Federation, making the cost of building weapons much more expensive.
Naval Strength : Carried on from a long tradition of sea-faring among the tribes situated in the Pacific Northwest, the navy is small but proud.
Naval Weakness : Considering that it is 1870, the Federation has not gotten to the point of developing iron-clad ships. Also, the navy is not experienced in long sailing expeditions has the Federation has no overseas interests, so they are effectively more of a coast guard than a navy.
Further Military Description : The Army, battle-tested and requiring compulsory service, is dangerously good at what they do. Known for their swift cavalry, their form of guerilla warfare is swift and devastating, with a specialtiy of burning enemy cities to the ground. On the other hand, their navy is pretty terrible at attacking, but they do a good job defending Puget Sound and the coasts.

National Goals : keep up with European technology, hold off serious healthcare issues (smallpox epidemic), reclaim "holy lands" to the north, continue to fight off those who want their land
National issues: what to do after the death of their leader, as he is getting old. Maintaining sovreignty from other countries interested in their resources. Rehabilitating bison herds and expanding agriculture.
National Figures of Interest : Charles Dark Eagle- current Grand Chief (president/dictator) war hero who was reknowned for his bravery in the siege of Victoria, the Battle of Bear Mountain (RL Glacier National Park), and leader of the retaliation against the British in the Puyallup Massacre. A charismatic, forward-thinking leader, he used his outstanding diplomatic abilities to create powerful alliances in Europe, that lead to centuries worth of technological progress for the Salish happening over the course of three decades.
David Standsalone: President of The Yellowstone Company, a mining, oil, and manufacturing conglomerate. Has the ear of Dark Eagle any time he wants
National Ambition/Aspirations : Uniting the workers and people of the world in glorious revolution.

History :
History until 1804 is the same.
In 1804, Merriweather Lewis and William Clark's westward expedition fails, slowing American westward expansion. Over the next eight years, encounters between Americans and Natives across North America become increasingly violent.
The War of 1812 between the British (Cambria?) and the Americans begins. The British arm the Blackfoot, Sioux, Flathead, Ute, Comanche and Shoshone tribes in an attempt to prevent the USA (URA?) from expanding into Britains claimed Columbia and Oregon territories. While the War of 1812 ends as it did in real life, Britain continues to arm the Natives as a barrier between their territory and the Americans. It was during this time that many Natives learned the English language.
Peaceful relations between the Natives and the British turn sour in 1841 when the British attempt to relocate a band of Salish from the Puyallup, Washington area and take their weapons. In what is known as the Puyallup Massacre, 500 Salish people were slaughtered by British forces, leading to a retaliation in which several tribes burned down a British fort near Boise, Idaho.
This marked the beginning of what would come to be known as the Second French and Indian War. The reason for its name, is because tribal elders from the Blackfoot tribe made contact with French fur traders who managed to get the word to the French monarchy that they were willing to trade massive gold reserves located near RL Bannock, MT for mercenaries and weapons during the war. This diplomatic negotiation lead to the League of Tribes, a precursor to the eventual Federation.
While the war was going very poorly for the Natives at first, the tides turned once they received weapons and reinforcements from the French. Under the training of some of France's best military officers, The Natives became skilled in modernized warfare, and picked up some European culture along the way. The first major victory of the war was when all 15 tribes of the league and the French put the city and fort of Victoria, BC under siege. The siege lasted 65 days, and lead to an eventual cease-fire. The line of demarcation was the 49th parallel, and no troops were allowed to cross it. The British broke these terms 5 months later, when a lost group of British soldiers fired upon Blackfoot Indians near Logan Pass in RL Glacier National Park. A major battle ensued with large casualties on both sides. The Treaty of Kalispel was signed by the British, offering the Natives all land south of the 49th Parallel, on the condition that the French military left and the land was never traded to the French. This happened in1945.
During the wartime, the Natives established their first cities out of the necessity of protecting women and children. This slowly brought their nomadic lifestyle to a close. The next 30 years have been relatively peaceful. A government to oversee all the tribes was founded by the Salish-Kootenai and Blackfoot tribes in late 1845, and three years later, all of the tribes within current territory signed the agreement to join. They gave the Federation its current name, The Federation of Northern Native Tribes, but their first name, the Blackfoot-Salish Federation stuck, especially with Europeans. War hero Charles Dark Eagle was chosen as the Grand Chief, the nations highest office, to serve until death.
The remaining time until 1870 has been spent trading with European and American nations and developing technologically. At some point in this time, they signed the Mason-Dixon treaty, preventing other North American nations from expanding into their territory.
Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 4
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used: 10/10
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Shouldn't smallpox and other diseases no longer be an issue? After all, your nation has already survived this long. Inoculation and tolerance should have been already taken care of.


Really this. Many Natives were hit by a few plagues, but by the late 19th century that was mostly done with. The real threat came from scarcity and wars. The seeming return of diseases like Smallpox to the Aztecs, for instance, are known in the modern day to actually have been just one instance of smallpox and then a series of an indigenous hemorrhaging disease.

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Postby Malagasy Kingdom » Wed Mar 01, 2017 10:56 pm

Malagasy Kingdom wrote:
Full Nation Name : Kingdom of Visigothica (Latin: Regnum Visigothorum)
Majority/Official Culture : Visigoth is the majority culture in Spain with minorities of Basques and the Cantabrians living in the northern areas. Down south in Morocco there is a majority of Visigoths with most of the Moors being pushed out during the invasion. But the remaining Moors are harshly persecuted and discriminated against by the population. Many Moors fled to the colonies to avoid persecution. In the colonies in South America it is a melting pot of cultures with Visigoths being in a majority with minorities from all over Europe coming here.
Territorial Core : Spain, Morocco, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, and Peru
Territorial Claim :
Capital City : Toledo, Spain
Population :

Government Type : Absolute Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist, Nationalist, Conservative, and Militarist
Government Focus : The King currently focuses on maintaining order within the colonies and expanding the infrastructure to extract more resources from them. He also attempts to maintain religious unity and persecutes heretics and heathens through the Inquisition. The King also is attempting to create a diplomatic system throughout Europe to counter the recent spread of communism.
Head of State : King Ardo III
Head of Government : Same as above
Government Description : The person of the King himself, a sovereign with absolute authority, stood at the center of the autocracy. The rights of state power in their entire extent belonged to the King. The autocrat further entrusted power to persons and institutions, acting in his name, by his orders, and within the limits laid down for them by law. The purpose of the system was to supposedly benefit the entire country of Visigothica. A metaphor existed likening the King to a father, and all of the subjects of the Kingdom, to his children.

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholicism
Religious Description : Roman Catholicism has a long history within Visigothica and is the State Religion. There is an Inquisition in place to hunt any heretics and heathens within the Kingdom. Ever since the Pope fled from Italy after the communist takeover he traveled to Spain and rebased the Papacy in Toledo until a day that Rome is liberated.

Economic Ideologies : State capitalism, the economy is organized in various state-controlled businesses that retain a monopoly over a certain industry. The government oversees the entire economy and can therefore be described as a huge corporation, extracting the surplus value from the workforce in order to invest it in further production.
Major Production : Raw materials, Manufactured goods, and Textiles
Economic Description : The Visigothic economy is set up in the colonies to extract resources and refine so they can be sent over to the mainland where they are manufactured into needed goods. The monarchy has invested a significant amount of money into infrastructure in the colonies so resources can be extracted quickly and cheaply. Visigothica is largely self-sufficient, but it does not export many items abroad as they are mainly used up at home.

Army Strength : Male universal conscription is put into place from the age of 18, so there is a large of amount experienced soldiers available in case of war. Soldiers are well trained and adapted to many terrains as they are deployed around the Atlantic throughout the Kingdom's lands. The army is lead by a capable leadership that is experienced from the recent uprisings in South America and has learned guerilla tactics from the fighting the rebels and now will be employed by the army in future wars.
Army Weakness : The army is largely spread out throughout the Kingdom so it takes time to reach places when a crises erupts. There are also ethnic conflicts within the army from immigrants that have come to the South American colonies.
Naval Strength : The Visigothic Kingdom maintains the second largest navy on Earth after Cambria to protect its lands around the Atlantic. The navy mainly consists of torpedo boats and fast cruisers allowing it to move very fast around the ocean. The main doctrine of the Visigothic navy is based on that of advocating the use of small, powerfully equipped units to combat a larger battleship fleet, and commerce raiders capable of ending the trade of the rival nation.
Naval Weakness : The navy does not have a chance against large groups of battle ships as they can easily overwhelm them thanks to the size difference. But a single battleship has no chance against a group of torpedo boats.
Further Military Description : The leaders of the military are mainly members of the Visigothic nobility and only a few commoners are allowed among their ranks. Leaders are sent to military academies to be trained and are very well versed in battle tactics.

National Goals : Maintain the Visigothic Kingdom, Reclaim Rome for the Pope, Maintain the Absolute Monarchy
National Issues : Visigothica has been fairly isolationist only really allying with France in the past, but now since France has fallen to communism Visigothica is diplomatically isolated so it needs to look for allies. There is also a growing suffrage movement throughout the Kingdom which threatens the stability of the nation.
National Figures of Interest : King Ardo III
National Ambition/Aspirations : Reclaim the ancient Visigothic territories lost in France after the rise of the Frankish Kingdom and become the dominant world power.
History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]

Comparison Points – Political : 3
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 4
Comparison Points – Economy : 1
Comparison Points – Military : 2
Total Comparison Points used (10 Points MAX) : 10/10
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Postby Velahor » Wed Mar 01, 2017 11:33 pm

Could probably go without the smallpox. With some more thought, it probably would not still be around by 1870.
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:14 am

Velahor wrote:Could probably go without the smallpox. With some more thought, it probably would not still be around by 1870.

Cambria wasn't giving smallpox-infected blanket to the native populations in the AH, either. ;)
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Postby Dires » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:36 am

Malagasy Kingdom wrote:
Malagasy Kingdom wrote:
Full Nation Name : Kingdom of Visigothica (Latin: Regnum Visigothorum)
Majority/Official Culture : Visigoth is the majority culture in Spain with minorities of Basques and the Cantabrians living in the northern areas. Down south in Morocco there is a majority of Visigoths with most of the Moors being pushed out during the invasion. But the remaining Moors are harshly persecuted and discriminated against by the population. Many Moors fled to the colonies to avoid persecution. In the colonies in South America it is a melting pot of cultures with Visigoths being in a majority with minorities from all over Europe coming here.
Territorial Core : Spain, Morocco, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, and Peru
Territorial Claim :
Capital City : Toledo, Spain
Population :

Government Type : Absolute Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist, Nationalist, Conservative, and Militarist
Government Focus : The King currently focuses on maintaining order within the colonies and expanding the infrastructure to extract more resources from them. He also attempts to maintain religious unity and persecutes heretics and heathens through the Inquisition. The King also is attempting to create a diplomatic system throughout Europe to counter the recent spread of communism.
Head of State : King Ardo III
Head of Government : Same as above
Government Description : The person of the King himself, a sovereign with absolute authority, stood at the center of the autocracy. The rights of state power in their entire extent belonged to the King. The autocrat further entrusted power to persons and institutions, acting in his name, by his orders, and within the limits laid down for them by law. The purpose of the system was to supposedly benefit the entire country of Visigothica. A metaphor existed likening the King to a father, and all of the subjects of the Kingdom, to his children.

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholicism
Religious Description : Roman Catholicism has a long history within Visigothica and is the State Religion. There is an Inquisition in place to hunt any heretics and heathens within the Kingdom. Ever since the Pope fled from Italy after the communist takeover he traveled to Spain and rebased the Papacy in Toledo until a day that Rome is liberated.

Economic Ideologies : State capitalism, the economy is organized in various state-controlled businesses that retain a monopoly over a certain industry. The government oversees the entire economy and can therefore be described as a huge corporation, extracting the surplus value from the workforce in order to invest it in further production.
Major Production : Raw materials, Manufactured goods, and Textiles
Economic Description : The Visigothic economy is set up in the colonies to extract resources and refine so they can be sent over to the mainland where they are manufactured into needed goods. The monarchy has invested a significant amount of money into infrastructure in the colonies so resources can be extracted quickly and cheaply. Visigothica is largely self-sufficient, but it does not export many items abroad as they are mainly used up at home.

Army Strength : Male universal conscription is put into place from the age of 18, so there is a large of amount experienced soldiers available in case of war. Soldiers are well trained and adapted to many terrains as they are deployed around the Atlantic throughout the Kingdom's lands. The army is lead by a capable leadership that is experienced from the recent uprisings in South America and has learned guerilla tactics from the fighting the rebels and now will be employed by the army in future wars.
Army Weakness : The army is largely spread out throughout the Kingdom so it takes time to reach places when a crises erupts. There are also ethnic conflicts within the army from immigrants that have come to the South American colonies.
Naval Strength : The Visigothic Kingdom maintains the second largest navy on Earth after Cambria to protect its lands around the Atlantic. The navy mainly consists of torpedo boats and fast cruisers allowing it to move very fast around the ocean. The main doctrine of the Visigothic navy is based on that of advocating the use of small, powerfully equipped units to combat a larger battleship fleet, and commerce raiders capable of ending the trade of the rival nation.
Naval Weakness : The navy does not have a chance against large groups of battle ships as they can easily overwhelm them thanks to the size difference. But a single battleship has no chance against a group of torpedo boats.
Further Military Description : The leaders of the military are mainly members of the Visigothic nobility and only a few commoners are allowed among their ranks. Leaders are sent to military academies to be trained and are very well versed in battle tactics.

National Goals : Maintain the Visigothic Kingdom, Reclaim Rome for the Pope, Maintain the Absolute Monarchy
National Issues : Visigothica has been fairly isolationist only really allying with France in the past, but now since France has fallen to communism Visigothica is diplomatically isolated so it needs to look for allies. There is also a growing suffrage movement throughout the Kingdom which threatens the stability of the nation.
National Figures of Interest : King Ardo III
National Ambition/Aspirations : Reclaim the ancient Visigothic territories lost in France after the rise of the Frankish Kingdom and become the dominant world power.
History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]

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Almost done with the app. I just need to finish the history and I'll post on the IC when it comes up tomorrow, when I'm accepted. Sorry for taking so long, this history research paper is taking longer than I though.


This is 1870, how advanced are torpedo boats? And why can't they be picked off miles away by battleship artillery?
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:38 am

The Orson Empire wrote:Full Nation Name : Commune of Italia
Flag : Flag of the Commune
Majority/Official Culture : A mix of Roman and Italian
Territorial Core : Italy, Sicily, and Sardinia in Europe, Azores islands, Angola in Africa, the islands of Java, Borneo, and Sumatra in Indonesia
Territorial Claim : The entire Congo River Basin in Africa, all of the Indonesian islands
Capital City : Rome, Italy
Population : 40 million

Government Type : Marxist-Pierran Communist State
Government Ideology/Policies : Socialist, communist, Marxist-Pierran, expansionist, militarist
Government Focus : Making Italia a premier power in Europe, spreading communism across Europe
Head of State : Chancellor Rufo Barretta
Head of Government : Chancellor Rufo Barretta
Government Description : Barretta effectively rules as an authoritarian dictator over Italia, with no one able to challenge him. The Central Committee of the Communist Party of Italia, the top leaders of the Communist Party, form the upper branch of government, while the Italian Parliament forms the lower branch. The High Court of Italia forms the judicial branch. The People's Security Force is the main law enforcement wing of the party.

Majority/State Religion : The Party encourages the practice of state atheism, but freedom of religion is guaranteed by law.
Religious Description : N/A

Economic Ideologies : Socialism, Communism
Major Production : Grain, wine, metals (including precious metals), weapons, spices, coffee
Economic Description : Self-explanatory

Army Strength : Well equipped, efficient, well trained, somewhat large. The Italian Army have some of the greatest weapons available and go through a rigorous training process; they are efficient in that they can fight using a large number of strategies, depending on what their mission is. The Army is also in the strong hundred thousands, and have some of the best riflemen in Europe.
Army Weakness : Despite the strengths of the army, the Italian Navy will generally get more focus than the army, as the navy is seen as critical to protect Italia's colonial ambitions.
Naval Strength : Large/strong ships, large navy, quality weapons/equipment. The Italian Navy has a few hundred ships under its command, all of which are well armed with top-of-the-line cannons and are relatively well armored. All of this combined makes the Imperial Fleets a terrifying force on the seas.
Naval Weakness : Following the recent purge of the military, many good naval officers were killed. It will be some time before such talent can be replaced, and this will decrease the effectiveness of the navy.
Further Military Description :

National Goals : Expand the Army, spread the communist ideology, claim new colonies
National Issues : Good naval officers need to be recruited, and the economy still has issues due to the Marxist-Pierran ideology
National Figures of Interest : Rufo Barretta, Bortolo Guerino
National Ambition/Aspirations : Unite the workers of the world in revolution, transform Italy into a major player in Europe

History :
[box][list][*] 27 B.C. - Roman Empire established.
[*] 306-337 AD - The Reign of Constantine the Great; Rome becomes Christian. The Roman Empire also splits into West and East.
[*] 476 AD - Fall of the Western Roman Empire; abdication of the Last Emperor of West-Rome.
[*] 477-490 AD - The Era of Strife; multiple Kingdoms vying for power, with the Church trying to hold everything together but not seizing power due to some anti-Christian feelings in some minor Kingdoms. Southern Italy is put under occupation of the East-Romans, forming the Kingdom of Italia.
[*] 540 AD - The Kingdom of Italia emerges victorious on the Italian Peninsula; it remains a province of Eastern Rome for a number of years.
[*] 560 AD - The Kingdom of Italia's decisive victory against the barbarians who invaded and destroyed it.
[*] 575 AD - The Kingdom of Italia begins gaining autonomy as it begins expanding along the Peninsula and gaining more of its current territory.
[*] 602 AD - With war for East-Rome and new barbarians and others attempting to invade Italia, the Kingdom is forced to fend for itself and - eventually - gains victory, securing its territories.
[*] 624 AD - The Kingdom of Italia gains independence; the last Roman forces are removed.
[*] 680 AD - The Kingdom of Italia continues expanding, almost gaining its current borders; the Italian Empire is formed.
[*] 1200 AD - End of the Neo-Caesarian Dynasty; Beginning of the Second Augustine Dynasty
[*] 1300 AD - The Catholic Church's power reaches its height in Italia.
[*] 1454 AD - The Italian Empire continues expanding, reaching its current borders.
[*] 1500-1550 AD - The Italian Empire enters reformations in its governance; the current Imperial government's constitutional monarchy forms.
[*] 1600 AD - The Italian Empire makes contact with the Eastern Roman Empire once again; it begins trading and forms an alliance with the East Romans.
[*] 1650 AD - Using Eastern Roman support, the Italian Empire begins to modernize its education system and the likes using long-lost knowledge. Around this time, the Empire finally enters the colonization race by establishing control of the Azores Islands and establishing a colony on the island of Java. The colonies in Indonesia will expand over the centuries.
[*] 1740 AD - Death of Emperor Julius Quintus; Antonius Quintus I begins his reign. Antonius Quintus I begins to increase infrastructure in the nation; building better bridges, railways and generally strengthening the unity of the Italian Empire. The Italian Empire continues advancing and playing 'catch up' with Eastern Rome.
[*] 1790 AD - Death of Antonius Quintus I; Antonius Quintus II becomes Emperor. Antonius Quintus II continues his father's work of uniting Italia further by not only increasing infrastructure, but he begins working on educational standards and bettering the economy. His policies work out, mostly due to taking advice from economists (hired by corporations). The Italian Empire has nearly modernized its military; both army and navy.
[*] 1840 AD - Death of Antonius Quintus II; Antonius Quintus III becomes Emperor. Antonius Quintus III is the youngest Emperor of Italia, at age 19 when he becomes Emperor. His father had died of a stroke at age 61. His mother, Maria Caesar, died shortly after of a heart attack. Emperor Antonius Quintus III's young age is believed to be responsible for his 'modernistic' style of thinking, as well as the cause for his thinking similarly to the modern generation of Italians. Emperor Quintus III also states that he is not actually a Catholic, but a Pagan. This causes some controversy in the Imperial government, but Antonius Quintus III remains Emperor. The Catholic Church looks nervously to the future, under a Pagan Emperor. The Italian Empire has almost completely modernized overall, although, the Eastern Romans are still quite a bit more advanced than Italia.
[*]1850 AD - Two years after the publication of The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx, the Marxist Party of Italy (named in honor of him) forms from humble origins. However, it begins to gain ground over the next several months, attracting lower and middle class people who were dissatisfied with the Italian government, the nobility, and Italy's rather laissez-faire capitalist economy (which had resulted in the formation of several large monopolies, and without much legal protection, workers were heavily exploitative by these corporations).
[*]1853 AD - This year marks the watershed moment for the socialists in Italy. Antoine St. Pierre, leader of the French Socialist Party, becomes a legendary figure not only among the Marxist Party, but among all of Italy. His struggle against the bourgeois in France bolsters the Marxist Party, and tens of thousands of people become members. The Emperor and the nobility of Italy are very concerned, but there is little they can do, as Italy has a democratic government. Also this year, Bortolo Guerino emerges as the new leader of the Marxist Party. Guerino is an intelligent and passionate man, and his incredible speeches attract audiences from every corner of the Empire; his influence in the party also convinces the Central Committee, the top leaders of the party, to adopt the Marxist-Pierran ideology as their main dogma.
[*]1854 AD - The Marxist Party wins the majority of seats in the Italian Parliament, but not enough votes for a majority. They form a coalition government with the Italian Workers Party and other smaller parties that are friendly to them. Bortolo Guerino becomes the Chancellor of Italia, and immediately begins work on implementing communism across Italy.
[*]1855 AD - Italia establishes formal relations with the French People's Republic, which evolves into an alliance as Italian volunteer regiments are sent into France to aid their cause. The first five-year plan is instituted by Chancellor Guerino, which began the process of agriculture collectivization in Italia; heavy industry begins to expand as well.
[*]1856 AD - The Marxist Party creates the People's Security Force (PSF), a paramilitary organization meant to secure the party's control over the nation and ensure the overthrow and elimination of the bourgeois. A split in the Italian Military occurs between conservatives and those who support the communists; as tensions rise in Italia, it seems as if a revolution is likely.
[*]1857 AD - Emperor Antonius Quintus III, in a surprising and shocking turn of events, abdicates the throne of Italia. It is widely believed that the PSF threatened to have the Emperor killed if he did not abdicate. Quintus was last seen leaving Rome, and has been missing ever since he fled the city. The Italian Parliament passes the Enabling Act, merging the offices of the Emperor and the Chancellor and allowing Guerino to pass laws without the consent of parliament, effectively making him a dictator. Guerino begins a major purge of both the nobility, the government, and the military to eliminate anyone who opposed the party; hundreds are killed in the purge, and many thousands flee the country to escape his wrath. The Marxist Party and all other parties in the coalition with it merge to form the Communist Party of Italy, and all other political parties are banned. The monarchy is dissolved, and the new Commune of Italy, a fully Marxist-Pierran state, is declared. The constitution is heavily amended, with the Central Committee of the Communist Party as the upper branch of government, and the Italian Parliament as the lower branch. Capitalism begins to be stamped out, and is replaced with a planned economy.
[*]1865 AD - Chancellor Guerino dies of a heart attack at the age of 56. His successor and former right-hand man, Rufo Barretta, becomes the new Chancellor. Unlike Guerino, Barretta is not nearly as passionate about the Marxist-Pierran ideology, seeing it as flawed, inefficient, and ultimately detrimental to the entire nation. Barretta, being the power-hungry sociopath that he was, had most of his focus on consolidating his reign and eliminating his competitors. He initiates a new purge of the Communist Party, eliminating many hard-liners of the Marxist-Pierran ideology and replacing them with moderates.
[*]1866 AD - Chancellor Barretta introduces economic reforms, ending the collectivization of all farms, relaxing the government's control over the industrial sector, ending price controls and protectionist policies, and once again allowing foreign investment into Italia. While on paper, Italia is still a communist nation, in practice, this is no longer the case. Italia also invades the minor Kingdom of Kongo in central Africa, subjugating it in a short 5-month war and establishing the Dominion of the Congo. This land is not controlled by the Communist Party, but is instead the personal land of Chancellor Barretta himself.


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Overall, it looks really good, but about the military, I'm still not content with the strengths and weaknesses. You give all of those advantages, and the only disadvantage is that the Navy receives more focus, which can be interpreted in many ways, and doesn't give us a good weakness for it.

My personal suggestions are either to go for a good but small army, for a moderate sized army but with officer problems, due to well, purges, or to go classicaly communist and have a large army but poorly trained and equipped. In all of these however, since you are focusing on the Navy, the Army should be weaker than your navy.

The rest looks good, but I think that you missed an Imperial there, or is on purpose? Imperial Fleets?
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:42 am

Malagasy Kingdom wrote:
Full Nation Name : Kingdom of Visigothica (Latin: Regnum Visigothorum)
Majority/Official Culture : Visigoth is the majority culture in Spain with minorities of Basques and the Cantabrians living in the northern areas. Down south in Morocco there is a majority of Visigoths with most of the Moors being pushed out during the invasion. But the remaining Moors are harshly persecuted and discriminated against by the population. Many Moors fled to the colonies to avoid persecution. In the colonies in South America it is a melting pot of cultures with Visigoths being in a majority with minorities from all over Europe coming here.
Territorial Core : Spain, Morocco, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, and Peru
Territorial Claim :
Capital City : Toledo, Spain
Population :

Government Type : Absolute Monarchy
Government Ideology/Policies : Imperialist, Nationalist, Conservative, and Militarist
Government Focus : The King currently focuses on maintaining order within the colonies and expanding the infrastructure to extract more resources from them. He also attempts to maintain religious unity and persecutes heretics and heathens through the Inquisition. The King also is attempting to create a diplomatic system throughout Europe to counter the recent spread of communism.
Head of State : King Ardo III
Head of Government : Same as above
Government Description : The person of the King himself, a sovereign with absolute authority, stood at the center of the autocracy. The rights of state power in their entire extent belonged to the King. The autocrat further entrusted power to persons and institutions, acting in his name, by his orders, and within the limits laid down for them by law. The purpose of the system was to supposedly benefit the entire country of Visigothica. A metaphor existed likening the King to a father, and all of the subjects of the Kingdom, to his children.

Majority/State Religion : Roman Catholicism
Religious Description : Roman Catholicism has a long history within Visigothica and is the State Religion. There is an Inquisition in place to hunt any heretics and heathens within the Kingdom. Ever since the Pope fled from Italy after the communist takeover he traveled to Spain and rebased the Papacy in Toledo until a day that Rome is liberated.

Economic Ideologies : State capitalism, the economy is organized in various state-controlled businesses that retain a monopoly over a certain industry. The government oversees the entire economy and can therefore be described as a huge corporation, extracting the surplus value from the workforce in order to invest it in further production.
Major Production : Raw materials, Manufactured goods, and Textiles
Economic Description : The Visigothic economy is set up in the colonies to extract resources and refine so they can be sent over to the mainland where they are manufactured into needed goods. The monarchy has invested a significant amount of money into infrastructure in the colonies so resources can be extracted quickly and cheaply. Visigothica is largely self-sufficient, but it does not export many items abroad as they are mainly used up at home.

Army Strength : Male universal conscription is put into place from the age of 18, so there is a large of amount experienced soldiers available in case of war. Soldiers are well trained and adapted to many terrains as they are deployed around the Atlantic throughout the Kingdom's lands. The army is lead by a capable leadership that is experienced from the recent uprisings in South America and has learned guerilla tactics from the fighting the rebels and now will be employed by the army in future wars.
Army Weakness : The army is largely spread out throughout the Kingdom so it takes time to reach places when a crises erupts. There are also ethnic conflicts within the army from immigrants that have come to the South American colonies.
Naval Strength : The Visigothic Kingdom maintains the second largest navy on Earth after Cambria to protect its lands around the Atlantic. The navy mainly consists of torpedo boats and fast cruisers allowing it to move very fast around the ocean. The main doctrine of the Visigothic navy is based on that of advocating the use of small, powerfully equipped units to combat a larger battleship fleet, and commerce raiders capable of ending the trade of the rival nation.
Naval Weakness : The navy does not have a chance against large groups of battle ships as they can easily overwhelm them thanks to the size difference. But a single battleship has no chance against a group of torpedo boats.
Further Military Description : The leaders of the military are mainly members of the Visigothic nobility and only a few commoners are allowed among their ranks. Leaders are sent to military academies to be trained and are very well versed in battle tactics.

National Goals : Maintain the Visigothic Kingdom, Reclaim Rome for the Pope, Maintain the Absolute Monarchy
National Issues : Visigothica has been fairly isolationist only really allying with France in the past, but now since France has fallen to communism Visigothica is diplomatically isolated so it needs to look for allies. There is also a growing suffrage movement throughout the Kingdom which threatens the stability of the nation.
National Figures of Interest : King Ardo III
National Ambition/Aspirations : Reclaim the ancient Visigothic territories lost in France after the rise of the Frankish Kingdom and become the dominant world power.
History : [[Can be in paragraph or bulletpoint timeline.]]

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Comparison Points – Economy : 1
Comparison Points – Military : 2
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From a quick look at it, you would still have to add a weakness to your military, since a large conscripted army has its particularities, you can't exactly have universal conscription and a really well trained army.
As for the navy, my naval knowledge isn't that good to comment on it, but it seems to be a little too advanced for our era, though I will let people with more experience than me judge that.
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Postby Tracian Empire » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:44 am

Velahor wrote:
Full Nation Name : The Federation of Northern Native Tribes (Usually simplified to Blackfoot-Salish Federation, due to these being the founding tribes of the federation)
Flag: http://www.tmealf.com/native_american/Athabascan.jpg (I know this is another real-life tribe's flag, but that was never made in the Alt-Div)
Majority/Official Culture : Northern Plains and Pacific Coast Native American
Territorial Core : Montana, Idaho, Washington, western parts of the Dakotas, Northern California, Oregon, Northern Wyoming
Territorial Claim : All lands reaching south to the border with the Aztek Ascendancy, East to Lake Michigan, and southeast to the border with URA. These lands are considered part of their territory, but are not as highly populated as their territorial core. Religiously, they believe they hold a spiritual claim to certain areas of RL Alberta and British Columbia.
Capital City : Kalispel (RL Kalipell, MT, but considerably larger, surrounding the northern end of Flathead Lake)
Population : 2.4 Million

Government Type : Fascist Government constructed to mirror the structure of the tribes in their more primitive days
Government Ideology/Policies : VERY nationalist, with patriotism and religion intertwined. The Salish, (as all members of the federation are effectively called), believe that it is THEIR duty to protect holy lands from "the whiteskins". However, Europeans are welcome allies and trading partners, but cannot hold a claim to these lands as they do not recognize the "spirits" that occupy the land, and do not perform the proper rituals to protect the spirits.
Government Focus : Healthcare (to ward off smallpox epidemic), reclaiming holy lands, developing modern technology and industry
Head of State : Grand Chief Charles Dark Eagle
Head of Government : Charles Dark Eagle, with military lead by Chief-Warrior William Kootenai
Government Description : Think of Charles Dark Eagle as a Native American Pinochet: nationalist,and ruthless with his enemies. This is mirrored by the whole government. They are wary of outsiders, and while citizens are afforded a decent amount of social freedom, rebellion against the Federation's ideology is treated as treason.

Majority/State Religion : Tradition of The Land Spirits
Religious Description : The Tradition of The Land spirits is a state religion, adapted from Blackfoot tribal religion. It's main belief is that there are spirits in the Land, Air, and Water that are the ancestors of humanity. These spirits are satisfied by rituals performed yearly on the summer solstice (The Day of the High Sun). This day involves a 24 hour fast in which all the food that would be eaten in that time is buried for the spirits. All landowners are required to participate in this ritual. This religion also is used as propaganda for the Federation's nationalist nature.

Economic Ideologies : 50% geolibertarianism, 50% fascistic control economy.
Major Production : Agriculutre, fishing, mining, weapons manufacturing.
Economic Description : Agriculture, fishing, and hunting are under control of the government. Considered necessary for survival, these industries plus the healthcare industry are held publicly. In contrast, private business is allowed in all other industries, including mining, manufacturing, and service industries. There is no income tax, but, as in the concept of geolibertarianism, the government makes its money by charging fees for using natural resources.

Army Strength : Strong cavalry and infantry. Much more technologically advanced than the RL Natives were due to foreign military aid. All able bodied men over the age of 14 are members of the always standing army, and usually carry weapons even while doing their civilian jobs.
Army Weakness : The Federation's low population compared to its size makes its territory difficult to defend. In addition, while weapons manufacturing is becoming a legitimate industry, there is very little in terms of steel mining in the Federation, making the cost of building weapons much more expensive.
Naval Strength : Carried on from a long tradition of sea-faring among the tribes situated in the Pacific Northwest, the navy is small but proud.
Naval Weakness : Considering that it is 1870, the Federation has not gotten to the point of developing iron-clad ships. Also, the navy is not experienced in long sailing expeditions has the Federation has no overseas interests, so they are effectively more of a coast guard than a navy.
Further Military Description : The Army, battle-tested and requiring compulsory service, is dangerously good at what they do. Known for their swift cavalry, their form of guerilla warfare is swift and devastating, with a specialtiy of burning enemy cities to the ground. On the other hand, their navy is pretty terrible at attacking, but they do a good job defending Puget Sound and the coasts.

National Goals : keep up with European technology, reclaim "holy lands" to the north, continue to fight off those who want their land
National issues: what to do after the death of their leader, as he is getting old. Maintaining sovreignty from other countries interested in their resources. Rehabilitating bison herds and expanding agriculture.
National Figures of Interest : Charles Dark Eagle- current Grand Chief (president/dictator) war hero who was reknowned for his bravery in the siege of Victoria, the Battle of Bear Mountain (RL Glacier National Park), and leader of the retaliation against the British in the Puyallup Massacre. A charismatic, forward-thinking leader, he used his outstanding diplomatic abilities to create powerful alliances in Europe, that lead to centuries worth of technological progress for the Salish happening over the course of three decades.
David Standsalone: President of The Yellowstone Company, a mining, oil, and manufacturing conglomerate. Has the ear of Dark Eagle any time he wants
National Ambition/Aspirations : Protect all lands holy to their religion, and remain united as there are many tribes and cultures represented in their nation.

History :
History until 1804 is the same.
In 1804, Merriweather Lewis and William Clark's westward expedition fails, slowing American westward expansion. Over the next eight years, encounters between Americans and Natives across North America become increasingly violent.
The War of 1812 between the British (Cambria?) and the Americans begins. The British arm the Blackfoot, Sioux, Flathead, Ute, Comanche and Shoshone tribes in an attempt to prevent the USA (URA?) from expanding into Britains claimed Columbia and Oregon territories. While the War of 1812 ends as it did in real life, Britain continues to arm the Natives as a barrier between their territory and the Americans. It was during this time that many Natives learned the English language.
Peaceful relations between the Natives and the British turn sour in 1841 when the British attempt to relocate a band of Salish from the Puyallup, Washington area and take their weapons. In what is known as the Puyallup Massacre, 500 Salish people were slaughtered by British forces, leading to a retaliation in which several tribes burned down a British fort near Boise, Idaho.
This marked the beginning of what would come to be known as the Second French and Indian War. The reason for its name, is because tribal elders from the Blackfoot tribe made contact with French fur traders who managed to get the word to the French monarchy that they were willing to trade massive gold reserves located near RL Bannock, MT for mercenaries and weapons during the war. This diplomatic negotiation lead to the League of Tribes, a precursor to the eventual Federation.
While the war was going very poorly for the Natives at first, the tides turned once they received weapons and reinforcements from the French. Under the training of some of France's best military officers, The Natives became skilled in modernized warfare, and picked up some European culture along the way. The first major victory of the war was when all 15 tribes of the league and the French put the city and fort of Victoria, BC under siege. The siege lasted 65 days, and lead to an eventual cease-fire. The line of demarcation was the 49th parallel, and no troops were allowed to cross it. The British broke these terms 5 months later, when a lost group of British soldiers fired upon Blackfoot Indians near Logan Pass in RL Glacier National Park. A major battle ensued with large casualties on both sides. The Treaty of Kalispel was signed by the British, offering the Natives all land south of the 49th Parallel, on the condition that the French military left and the land was never traded to the French. This happened in1945.
During the wartime, the Natives established their first cities out of the necessity of protecting women and children. This slowly brought their nomadic lifestyle to a close. The next 30 years have been relatively peaceful. A government to oversee all the tribes was founded by the Salish-Kootenai and Blackfoot tribes in late 1845, and three years later, all of the tribes within current territory signed the agreement to join. They gave the Federation its current name, The Federation of Northern Native Tribes, but their first name, the Blackfoot-Salish Federation stuck, especially with Europeans. War hero Charles Dark Eagle was chosen as the Grand Chief, the nations highest office, to serve until death.
The remaining time until 1870 has been spent trading with European and American nations and developing technologically. At some point in this time, they signed the Mason-Dixon treaty, preventing other North American nations from expanding into their territory.
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Overall looks good, but you would have to replace the British with Cambrians, Cymrea should agree to these, and you have a mistake there, I think that it's supposed to be 1845 and not 1945.
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:35 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
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From a quick look at it, you would still have to add a weakness to your military, since a large conscripted army has its particularities, you can't exactly have universal conscription and a really well trained army.
As for the navy, my naval knowledge isn't that good to comment on it, but it seems to be a little too advanced for our era, though I will let people with more experience than me judge that.

Pre-dreadnoughts are still 20 years away (as an example), and torpedo boats were just getting started in 1873, so not outside the range of technology. However, the caveat is that torpedo tech was still lagging and a lot of them would either explode too soon (sometimes during firing), or not explode at all. And by the time they were becoming dangerous in the 1890s, torpedo boat destroyers started the world's navies on a path to the modern destroyer. :)
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Postby Mechanist Combine » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:39 am

Full Nation Name : Norse Republic of Scandinavia
Flag: Le Flag
Majority/Official Culture : Norsemen
Territorial Core : Sweden, Finland, Norway
Territorial Claim : None
Capital City : Stockholm, Sweden
Population : ~21 Million

Government Type : Republic
Government Ideology/Policies : Unity, Equality, Order
Government Focus : Defence of borders,
Head of State : Minister Áleifr Arnbjorg
Head of Government : The Republican Council (Controlling Party: Sveriges Socialdemokratiska arbetarparti)
Government Description : The government has three councils (The Republican Council (3 year terms), the Council of territorial Unions (8 year terms, leaders of unions), and the Democratic Assembly (Public, no terms)). There are three parties currently they are; Sveriges Socialdemokratiska arbetarparti (Socialist), Sverigedemokraterna (Conservative), Klassiskt Liberala Partiet (Moderate Liberal)

Majority/State Religion : Norse paganism
Religious Description : N/A

Economic Ideologies : Social-Capitalism (Heavily managed markets, some freedom)
Major Production : Lumber, Ships, Machinery, Raw Metals (Iron/ Steel), Weapons, Fish
Economic Description : The economy is very managed, with expenditures distributed to certain sectors and used there to produce for the country. But citizens are allowed to start their own businesses in certain business sectors, all businesses are in the end owned by the government.

Army Strength : Well trained
Army Weakness : Scattered and Has a lack of experience
Naval Strength : Small fast ships
Naval Weakness : Ships are fairly easy to destroy
Further Military Description: Uniforms (Officers on left, Other on right)

National Issues : Need for imported food.
National Figures of Interest : None
National Ambition/Aspirations : Further Industrialise, Feed own citizens

History :



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Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 3
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Anything need changing or fixing?
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:57 am

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Full Nation Name : The Federation of Northern Native Tribes (Usually simplified to Blackfoot-Salish Federation, due to these being the founding tribes of the federation)
Flag: http://www.tmealf.com/native_american/Athabascan.jpg (I know this is another real-life tribe's flag, but that was never made in the Alt-Div)
Majority/Official Culture : Northern Plains and Pacific Coast Native American
Territorial Core : Montana, Idaho, Washington, western parts of the Dakotas, Northern California, Oregon, Northern Wyoming
Territorial Claim : All lands reaching south to the border with the Aztek Ascendancy, East to Lake Michigan, and southeast to the border with URA. These lands are considered part of their territory, but are not as highly populated as their territorial core. Religiously, they believe they hold a spiritual claim to certain areas of RL Alberta and Cambrian Columbia.
Capital City : Kalispel (RL Kalipell, MT, but considerably larger, surrounding the northern end of Flathead Lake)
Population : 2.4 Million

Government Type : Fascist Government constructed to mirror the structure of the tribes in their more primitive days
Government Ideology/Policies : VERY nationalist, with patriotism and religion intertwined. The Salish, (as all members of the federation are effectively called), believe that it is THEIR duty to protect holy lands from "the whiteskins". However, Europeans are welcome allies and trading partners, but cannot hold a claim to these lands as they do not recognize the "spirits" that occupy the land, and do not perform the proper rituals to protect the spirits.
Government Focus : Healthcare (to ward off smallpox epidemic), reclaiming holy lands, developing modern technology and industry
Head of State : Grand Chief Charles Dark Eagle
Head of Government : Charles Dark Eagle, with military lead by Chief-Warrior William Kootenai
Government Description : Think of Charles Dark Eagle as a Native American Pinochet: nationalist,and ruthless with his enemies. This is mirrored by the whole government. They are wary of outsiders, and while citizens are afforded a decent amount of social freedom, rebellion against the Federation's ideology is treated as treason.

Majority/State Religion : Tradition of The Land Spirits
Religious Description : The Tradition of The Land spirits is a state religion, adapted from Blackfoot tribal religion. It's main belief is that there are spirits in the Land, Air, and Water that are the ancestors of humanity. These spirits are satisfied by rituals performed yearly on the summer solstice (The Day of the High Sun). This day involves a 24 hour fast in which all the food that would be eaten in that time is buried for the spirits. All landowners are required to participate in this ritual. This religion also is used as propaganda for the Federation's nationalist nature.

Economic Ideologies : 50% geolibertarianism, 50% fascistic control economy.
Major Production : Agriculutre, fishing, mining, weapons manufacturing.
Economic Description : Agriculture, fishing, and hunting are under control of the government. Considered necessary for survival, these industries plus the healthcare industry are held publicly. In contrast, private business is allowed in all other industries, including mining, manufacturing, and service industries. There is no income tax, but, as in the concept of geolibertarianism, the government makes its money by charging fees for using natural resources.

Army Strength : Strong cavalry and infantry. Much more technologically advanced than the RL Natives were due to foreign military aid. All able bodied men over the age of 14 are members of the always standing army, and usually carry weapons even while doing their civilian jobs.
Army Weakness : The Federation's low population compared to its size makes its territory difficult to defend. In addition, while weapons manufacturing is becoming a legitimate industry, there is very little in terms of steel mining in the Federation, making the cost of building weapons much more expensive.
Naval Strength : Carried on from a long tradition of sea-faring among the tribes situated in the Pacific Northwest, the navy is small but proud.
Naval Weakness : Considering that it is 1870, the Federation has not gotten to the point of developing iron-clad ships. Also, the navy is not experienced in long sailing expeditions has the Federation has no overseas interests, so they are effectively more of a coast guard than a navy.
Further Military Description : The Army, battle-tested and requiring compulsory service, is dangerously good at what they do. Known for their swift cavalry, their form of guerrilla warfare is swift and devastating, with a specialty of burning enemy cities to the ground. On the other hand, their navy is pretty terrible at attacking, but they do a good job defending Puget Sound and the coasts.

National Goals : keep up with European technology, reclaim "holy lands" to the north, continue to fight off those who want their land
National issues: what to do after the death of their leader, as he is getting old. Maintaining sovereignty from other countries interested in their resources. Rehabilitating bison herds and expanding agriculture.
National Figures of Interest : Charles Dark Eagle- current Grand Chief (president/dictator) war hero who was renowned for his bravery in the siege of Victoria, the Battle of Bear Mountain (RL Glacier National Park), and leader of the retaliation against the British in the Puyallup Massacre. A charismatic, forward-thinking leader, he used his outstanding diplomatic abilities to create powerful alliances in Europe, that lead to centuries worth of technological progress for the Salish happening over the course of three decades.
David Standsalone: President of The Yellowstone Company, a mining, oil, and manufacturing conglomerate. Has the ear of Dark Eagle any time he wants
National Ambition/Aspirations : Protect all lands holy to their religion, and remain united as there are many tribes and cultures represented in their nation.

History :
History until 1804 is the same.
In 1804, Merriweather Lewis and William Clark's westward expedition fails, slowing American westward expansion. Over the next eight years, encounters between Americans and Natives across North America become increasingly violent.
The War of 1812 between the British (Cambria?) and the Americans begins. The British arm the Blackfoot, Sioux, Flathead, Ute, Comanche and Shoshone tribes in an attempt to prevent the USA (URA?) from expanding into Britains claimed Columbia and Oregon territories. While the War of 1812 ends as it did in real life, Britain continues to arm the Natives as a barrier between their territory and the Americans. It was during this time that many Natives learned the English language.
Peaceful relations between the Natives and the British turn sour in 1841 when the British attempt to relocate a band of Salish from the Puyallup, Washington area and take their weapons. In what is known as the Puyallup Massacre, 500 Salish people were slaughtered by British forces, leading to a retaliation in which several tribes burned down a British fort near Boise, Idaho.
This marked the beginning of what would come to be known as the Second French and Indian War. The reason for its name, is because tribal elders from the Blackfoot tribe made contact with French fur traders who managed to get the word to the French monarchy that they were willing to trade massive gold reserves located near RL Bannock, MT for mercenaries and weapons during the war. This diplomatic negotiation lead to the League of Tribes, a precursor to the eventual Federation.
While the war was going very poorly for the Natives at first, the tides turned once they received weapons and reinforcements from the French. Under the training of some of France's best military officers, The Natives became skilled in modernized warfare, and picked up some European culture along the way. The first major victory of the war was when all 15 tribes of the league and the French put the city and fort of Victoria, BC under siege. The siege lasted 65 days, and lead to an eventual cease-fire. The line of demarcation was the 49th parallel, and no troops were allowed to cross it. The British broke these terms 5 months later, when a lost group of British soldiers fired upon Blackfoot Indians near Logan Pass in RL Glacier National Park. A major battle ensued with large casualties on both sides. The Treaty of Kalispel was signed by the British, offering the Natives all land south of the 49th Parallel, on the condition that the French military left and the land was never traded to the French. This happened in1945.
During the wartime, the Natives established their first cities out of the necessity of protecting women and children. This slowly brought their nomadic lifestyle to a close. The next 30 years have been relatively peaceful. A government to oversee all the tribes was founded by the Salish-Kootenai and Blackfoot tribes in late 1845, and three years later, all of the tribes within current territory signed the agreement to join. They gave the Federation its current name, The Federation of Northern Native Tribes, but their first name, the Blackfoot-Salish Federation stuck, especially with Europeans. War hero Charles Dark Eagle was chosen as the Grand Chief, the nations highest office, to serve until death.
The remaining time until 1870 has been spent trading with European and American nations and developing technologically. At some point in this time, they signed the Mason-Dixon treaty, preventing other North American nations from expanding into their territory.
Comparison Points – Political : 1
Comparison Points – Cultural/Religious : 4
Comparison Points – Economy : 2
Comparison Points – Military : 3
Total Comparison Points used: 10/10
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Overall looks good, but you would have to replace the British with Cambrians, Cymrea should agree to these, and you have a mistake there, I think that it's supposed to be 1845 and not 1945.

Anytime you would use "British", use "Cambrian" instead.

Also, Cambria is a predominantly pagan nation and gets along great with the aboriginal spirituality of indigenous nations. So there's no religious massacres, and war only when provoked. You can have private Cambrian companies with ambitions in your territory that went astray and did bad stuff, but they're not necessarily condoned by Cambrian law. You won't have had to fight too hard for your lands. :)

Also, I made a flag you can use, it has the blue and white most common with Pacific coast nations, as well as the Medicine Wheel of the Cree and Blackfoot of the Athabaskan/Plains nations:

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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:01 am

Mechanist Combine wrote:-App-[/spoiler]

Anything need changing or fixing?

Between the accepted reservations for New Venice and the United Republics of America, your claims are unavailable. But if you're interested, we do need a good Brazil or Scandinavia. :)
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Postby Mechanist Combine » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:07 am

Cymrea wrote:
Mechanist Combine wrote:-App-[/spoiler]

Anything need changing or fixing?

Between the accepted reservations for New Venice and the United Republics of America, your claims are unavailable. But if you're interested, we do need a good Brazil or Scandinavia. :)


*Looks around for a moment*

Damn... Well time to flip a coin huh.

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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:08 am

Mechanist Combine wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Between the accepted reservations for New Venice and the United Republics of America, your claims are unavailable. But if you're interested, we do need a good Brazil or Scandinavia. :)


*Looks around for a moment*

Damn... Well time to flip a coin huh.

Scadniavia could be a neo-viking empire. 8)
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Postby Atreidya » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:09 am

Cymrea wrote:
Mechanist Combine wrote:-App-[/spoiler]

Anything need changing or fixing?

Between the accepted reservations for New Venice and the United Republics of America, your claims are unavailable. But if you're interested, we do need a good Brazil or Scandinavia. :)


By the way my URA app will ve finisged today sometime I believe. If not then i will get iy up tonight before i head to bed.

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Postby Mechanist Combine » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:14 am

Reservation

Nation Name: Norse Republic of Scandinavia
Territory: Scandinavia
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*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting reservations.

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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:16 am

Atreidya wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Between the accepted reservations for New Venice and the United Republics of America, your claims are unavailable. But if you're interested, we do need a good Brazil or Scandinavia. :)


By the way my URA app will ve finisged today sometime I believe. If not then i will get iy up tonight before i head to bed.

Sweet. Check above (or on the previous page, maybe) for Trace's advice on edits. :)

Nevermind, I was thinking of a different app. :roll:
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:21 am

Mechanist Combine wrote:
Reservation

Nation Name: Norse Republic of Scandinavia
Territory: Scandinavia
#AltDiv (do not delete this, it's for keeping track of the apps)
*Note: Reservations will last for 48 hours. The OP board reserves the right to be subjective in regards to accepting reservations.

On the assumption that your reservation claims are for Norway, Sweden, and Finland (Denmark and Iceland are claimed), your reservation is accepted. Looking forward to your full app. :)
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:29 am

Accepted Reservations list is updated on the OP.
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Postby Velahor » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:31 am

Love the flag, I think I will use it. And I will adjust my history to more suit the nature of the Cambrians.
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Postby Cymrea » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:33 am

Velahor wrote:Love the flag, I think I will use it. And I will adjust my history to more suit the nature of the Cambrians.

Awesome. :)

You can assume, if you like, that our current relations to start are good and that we're trading between us.
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Postby The V O I D » Thu Mar 02, 2017 10:35 am

Also, the French Socialist Republic probably has limited or almost no trade with capitalist nations, a fair amount of trade with "socialist" nations (China, for one), and trades frequently and freely with other communist nations such as Italy.

Really looking forward to seeing Orson's completed app.

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