1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC]

[Tracian Empire]

If Italy is communist though, then there is no way to avoid it, the Imperium will be fiercely anti-communist.

[Tracian Empire]

And while communism might appeal to some radical pro-Vox Populi supporters, I don't see it becoming strong in Roman controlled territories anytime soon.

[The V O I D]

If Italy is communist though, then there is no way to avoid it, the Imperium will be fiercely anti-communist.

I will be forming Le Traité d'Amitié, de Coopération et d'Assistance Mutuelle (The Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance) with other communist powers.

It will be otherwise known as Le Pacte de Madrid / the Madrid Pact. Because, y'know, the Soviets didn't name the Warsaw Pact after Moscow, so why would the French name this timeline's version after Paris?

Obviously, the Madrid Pact will be formed if and when we create Communist Spain. It also won't be just a Soviet style thing to legitimize the communist dictatorships in other nations, either; it'll be more of an actual, legitimate alliance.

Of course, if that doesn't work out, there's always calling it Le Pacte d'Amsterdam.

[Tracian Empire]

If Italy is communist though, then there is no way to avoid it, the Imperium will be fiercely anti-communist.

I will be forming Le Traité d'Amitié, de Coopération et d'Assistance Mutuelle (The Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance) with other communist powers.

It will be otherwise known as Le Pacte de Madrid / the Madrid Pact. Because, y'know, the Soviets didn't name the Warsaw Pact after Moscow, so why would the French name this timeline's version after Paris?

Obviously, the Madrid Pact will be formed if and when we create Communist Spain. It also won't be just a Soviet style thing to legitimize the communist dictatorships in other nations, either; it'll be more of an actual, legitimate alliance.

Of course, if that doesn't work out, there's always calling it Le Pacte d'Amsterdam.

Well, in regards to Spain, even if you eventually attack it, whether it is a player nation that's not communist, or we have to keep it as an NPC, there are certain rules in place, it would take a while.

But the appearance of such a communist block would seriously upset the power balance that we had in the past threads.

[Novacom]

I will be forming Le Traité d'Amitié, de Coopération et d'Assistance Mutuelle (The Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance) with other communist powers.

It will be otherwise known as Le Pacte de Madrid / the Madrid Pact. Because, y'know, the Soviets didn't name the Warsaw Pact after Moscow, so why would the French name this timeline's version after Paris?

Obviously, the Madrid Pact will be formed if and when we create Communist Spain. It also won't be just a Soviet style thing to legitimize the communist dictatorships in other nations, either; it'll be more of an actual, legitimate alliance.

Of course, if that doesn't work out, there's always calling it Le Pacte d'Amsterdam.

Well, in regards to Spain, even if you eventually attack it, whether it is a player nation that's not communist, or we have to keep it as an NPC, there are certain rules in place, it would take a while.

But the appearance of such a communist block would seriously upset the power balance that we had in the past threads.

Would that be such a bad thing however I do like the practical gloating glee when people have no idea how the pieces on the board are set up...

[The V O I D]

I will be forming Le Traité d'Amitié, de Coopération et d'Assistance Mutuelle (The Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance) with other communist powers.

It will be otherwise known as Le Pacte de Madrid / the Madrid Pact. Because, y'know, the Soviets didn't name the Warsaw Pact after Moscow, so why would the French name this timeline's version after Paris?

Obviously, the Madrid Pact will be formed if and when we create Communist Spain. It also won't be just a Soviet style thing to legitimize the communist dictatorships in other nations, either; it'll be more of an actual, legitimate alliance.

Of course, if that doesn't work out, there's always calling it Le Pacte d'Amsterdam.

Well, in regards to Spain, even if you eventually attack it, whether it is a player nation that's not communist, or we have to keep it as an NPC, there are certain rules in place, it would take a while.

But the appearance of such a communist block would seriously upset the power balance that we had in the past threads.

Oh, no doubt. But there's a guy who reserved spain as a monarchy who said he wouldn't mind RPing a communist revolt - whether it succeeds or not depends.

And France and Italy aren't going to attack Spain, we're just going to funnel and smuggle equipment and troops and such to help the communist revolution in Spain.

Yeah, we're inventing proxy wars before the cold war. #dealwithit

[Dires]

Japan wants nothing to do with these ideological wars. The Emperor is simply committed to the preservation of Japanese culture and the prosperity/well-being of all his peoples.

[Democratic East-Asia]

China is too busy building factories and making weapons to mind ideological fights right now.

[Western Imperial Union]

I will be forming Le Traité d'Amitié, de Coopération et d'Assistance Mutuelle (The Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Assistance) with other communist powers.

It will be otherwise known as Le Pacte de Madrid / the Madrid Pact. Because, y'know, the Soviets didn't name the Warsaw Pact after Moscow, so why would the French name this timeline's version after Paris?

Obviously, the Madrid Pact will be formed if and when we create Communist Spain. It also won't be just a Soviet style thing to legitimize the communist dictatorships in other nations, either; it'll be more of an actual, legitimate alliance.

Of course, if that doesn't work out, there's always calling it Le Pacte d'Amsterdam.

Well, in regards to Spain, even if you eventually attack it, whether it is a player nation that's not communist, or we have to keep it as an NPC, there are certain rules in place, it would take a while.

But the appearance of such a communist block would seriously upset the power balance that we had in the past threads.

Well being as four major non-communist states circle the communist European states, I feel it would cause a tough competition between the two specially if the communist states gain more footing or become more aggressive.

[Sanabel]

Ruthenia will likely become more reactionary, rather than communist.

[The V O I D]

Ruthenia will likely become more reactionary, rather than communist.

So this time around Russia is going to go full McCarthyist reactionary anti-communist while western Europe may face the possibility of falling under a French-founded Iron Curtain?

wow.

[Cymrea]

Ruthenia will likely become more reactionary, rather than communist.

So this time around Russia is going to go full McCarthyist reactionary anti-communist while western Europe may face the possibility of falling under a French-founded Iron Curtain?

wow.

An interesting idea, reversing historical ideological sides.

[The V O I D]

So this time around Russia is going to go full McCarthyist reactionary anti-communist while western Europe may face the possibility of falling under a French-founded Iron Curtain?

wow.

An interesting idea, reversing historical ideological sides.

Of course, China still ends up communist of a sort. And as for other nations in Asia, well, that remains to be seen.

But yeah, in regards to Europe, it seems like there's a chance for Western Europe to be 'ebil communists', while Eastern Europe end up the reactionary anti-communists.

[Tracian Empire]

Ruthenia will likely become more reactionary, rather than communist.

So this time around Russia is going to go full McCarthyist reactionary anti-communist while western Europe may face the possibility of falling under a French-founded Iron Curtain?

wow.

Well, the Imperium is the exact opposite of what the Ottoman Empire was at this point in the time. No sick man of Europe here.

[Democratic East-Asia]

Ruthenia will likely become more reactionary, rather than communist.

Definitely more communist in China.

[The V O I D]

So this time around Russia is going to go full McCarthyist reactionary anti-communist while western Europe may face the possibility of falling under a French-founded Iron Curtain?

wow.

Well, the Imperium is the exact opposite of what the Ottoman Empire was at this point in the time. No sick man of Europe here.

So, the Imperium will be the British analogue, Ruthenia/Russia will be the US analogue, and eastern Europe will be Western Europe this time around.

Neat-o.

Of course, this assumes all goes according to plan and Spain becomes communist and Cambria goes communist/socialist (or at least butts out of European affairs). Oh, I wonder if the Russians and such will send aid to Germany, and this time West Germany is communist while East Germany is capitalist.

This is going to get really interesting if things go according to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan~.

[Tracian Empire]

Well, the Imperium is the exact opposite of what the Ottoman Empire was at this point in the time. No sick man of Europe here.

So, the Imperium will be the British analogue, Ruthenia/Russia will be the US analogue, and eastern Europe will be Western Europe this time around.

Neat-o.

Of course, this assumes all goes according to plan and Spain becomes communist and Cambria goes communist/socialist (or at least butts out of European affairs). Oh, I wonder if the Russians and such will send aid to Germany, and this time West Germany is communist while East Germany is capitalist.

This is going to get really interesting if things go according to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan~.

Except for that part were the Imperium would do anything to keep its trusted Cambrian partner on a similar foreign policy against commies, and where any spreading of communism would alert reactionary nations, and where this can change the entire balance of power

[Tracian Empire]

As for the IC, it will 99% come out tomorrow evening EET

[The V O I D]

So, the Imperium will be the British analogue, Ruthenia/Russia will be the US analogue, and eastern Europe will be Western Europe this time around.

Neat-o.

Of course, this assumes all goes according to plan and Spain becomes communist and Cambria goes communist/socialist (or at least butts out of European affairs). Oh, I wonder if the Russians and such will send aid to Germany, and this time West Germany is communist while East Germany is capitalist.

This is going to get really interesting if things go according to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan~.

Except for that part were the Imperium would do anything to keep its trusted Cambrian partner on a similar foreign policy against commies, and where any spreading of communism would alert reactionary nations, and where this can change the entire balance of power

Shhhhh, accept the liberation of the Proletariat.

[Democratic East-Asia]

Yuo all underestimate potential Chinese People's Republic. Middle Kingdom stronk! May the peasants and workers be liberated!

Also, looking forwards to the IC.

[Cabana]

Novanglia won't give a shit unless they're being militant.

[The Orson Empire]

If Italy is communist though, then there is no way to avoid it, the Imperium will be fiercely anti-communist.

The Commune and the Imperium will likely be arch-enemies.

[Second Helghan Empire]

Well, the Imperium is the exact opposite of what the Ottoman Empire was at this point in the time. No sick man of Europe here.

So, the Imperium will be the British analogue, Ruthenia/Russia will be the US analogue, and eastern Europe will be Western Europe this time around.

Neat-o.

Of course, this assumes all goes according to plan and Spain becomes communist and Cambria goes communist/socialist (or at least butts out of European affairs). Oh, I wonder if the Russians and such will send aid to Germany, and this time West Germany is communist while East Germany is capitalist.

This is going to get really interesting if things go according to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan~.

Don't be ridiculous. Germany is the center of modern Continental Culture combined with the rest of the non communist states, Huns, Romans, Ruthenians, Cambrians, and that's just in Europe, you are rather weak in comparison.
Oh and don't think I won't pull my Casus Belli on the Benelux Countries and Alsacce-Lorraine.

[Dires]

An interesting idea, reversing historical ideological sides.

And as for other nations in Asia, well, that remains to be seen.

No.

[The V O I D]

So, the Imperium will be the British analogue, Ruthenia/Russia will be the US analogue, and eastern Europe will be Western Europe this time around.

Neat-o.

Of course, this assumes all goes according to plan and Spain becomes communist and Cambria goes communist/socialist (or at least butts out of European affairs). Oh, I wonder if the Russians and such will send aid to Germany, and this time West Germany is communist while East Germany is capitalist.

This is going to get really interesting if things go according to plaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan~.

Don't be ridiculous. Germany is the center of modern Continental Culture combined with the rest of the non communist states, Huns, Romans, Ruthenians, Cambrians, and that's just in Europe, you are rather weak in comparison.
Oh and don't think I won't pull my Casus Belli on the Benelux Countries and Alsacce-Lorraine.

To be fair, they voluntarily joined for protection due to having communist revolts but their communist governments being scared of being attacked by Germany, among other reasons.

And, well, I also have communist Italy and may soon have Commie Spain.