1870 : Alternative Divergence [AH][OOC]

[Cymrea]

The following countries have had their reservations accepted. Please submit completed applications within the next 48 hours.

• Malagasy Kingdom - Kingdom of Visigothica
• Togeria - New Republic of Carthage
• The Orson Empire - Communist Italy

[The V O I D]

Also Orson, if you do communist Italy n stuff, please make their revolution happen shortly after France did theirs, that way we can be Marxist-Pierrean buddies.

[Novacom]

Ah well, I thought the white looked cleaner and easier to differentiate.

Agreed, but whitening all the grey would be a lot of work.

Map is updated on the OP, as are the Accepted Applications and Reservations, per the OOC. I need to add France...working on that now...

Trace: DEA's latest app for China, yea or nay?

Nova: Submit your app, man! If you have already, just link it.

Reservations needing acceptance:

• Malagasy Kingdom - Kingdom of Visigothica
• Togeria - New Republic of Carthage
• The Orson Empire - Communist Italy

I updated my app for the most part it's 95% complete, and servicable enough I'll likely go back and attack it at some point.

[Democratic East-Asia]

China smash EVERYONE I mean slowly expand and possibly implode in the meantime.

[Cymrea]

I've received word from Trace that the Aztek Ascendancy and National Union of China have been officially accepted. Editing the map and OP now.

Edit: And done.

Rygondria: we need your app for New Venice, too.

[Sanabel]

I've received word from Trace that the Aztek Ascendancy and National Union of China have been officially accepted. Editing the map and OP now.

Edit: And done.

Rygondria: we need your app for New Venice, too.

Will you add in Ruthenia's slightly expanded land claim?

[Cymrea]

I've received word from Trace that the Aztek Ascendancy and National Union of China have been officially accepted. Editing the map and OP now.

Edit: And done.

Rygondria: we need your app for New Venice, too.

Will you add in Ruthenia's slightly expanded land claim?

Hmmm...I thought I had. Double checking and editing....

And edited.

[The Orson Empire]

Alright, I have two questions:

Has any land in Central Africa been claimed? I was looking to set up a colony there.

Also, what is the tech level in this alternate timeline?

[Elerian]

Alright, I have two questions:

Has any land in Central Africa been claimed? I was looking to set up a colony there.

Also, what is the tech level in this alternate timeline?

Depends how far into central Africa you want to go.

It varies from country to country, but European countries have the same tech as Europe in that era.

[Democratic East-Asia]

Oh boy, it's time.

[Cymrea]

Alright, I have two questions:

Has any land in Central Africa been claimed? I was looking to set up a colony there.

Also, what is the tech level in this alternate timeline?

African colonies are pretty thin. Best to start somewhere along the coast - or the Nile, if you're really keen in interior Africa.

Tech level is primarily that of the year, 1870. Some exceptions will be made on a case by case basis.

[The Orson Empire]

Alright, I have two questions:

Has any land in Central Africa been claimed? I was looking to set up a colony there.

Also, what is the tech level in this alternate timeline?

African colonies are pretty thin. Best to start somewhere along the coast - or the Nile, if you're really keen in interior Africa.

Tech level is primarily that of the year, 1870. Some exceptions will be made on a case by case basis.

I want to claim some land near the Congo River and RL Angola, which will allow me to expand further into the interior.

I would also like to claim Madagascar and some territory in Indonesia as colonies if possible.

[Democratic East-Asia]

Did I here Congo? You want rubber or something?

*Notes the lack of independent Belgians around*

[The V O I D]

Orson, a communist nation doesn't have 'colonies', they have satellites and puppets.

[Cymrea]

African colonies are pretty thin. Best to start somewhere along the coast - or the Nile, if you're really keen in interior Africa.

Tech level is primarily that of the year, 1870. Some exceptions will be made on a case by case basis.

I want to claim some land near the Congo River and RL Angola, which will allow me to expand further into the interior.

I would also like to claim Madagascar and some territory in Indonesia as colonies if possible.

RL Angola is a good start. We've deliberately kept claims on Africa to a minimum because this RP has long has an African imperialism event in the works. Historically Italy made plays for the Horn of Africa, but with Portugal being a non-player, Angola's a decent choice. Or Madagascar. But you're unlikely to get both off the bat. Pick the one you want more, I'd say.

Include your desired claims in your app. It will be considered regardless and the worst we can say is "no" or "maybe less than that, eh?"

[Cymrea]

Did I here Congo? You want rubber or something?

*Notes the lack of independent Belgians around*

Communist Walloons and Flemish.

[The Orson Empire]

Did I here Congo? You want rubber or something?

*Notes the lack of independent Belgians around*

I want more than rubber.

In real life, the Democratic Republic of the Congo has significant quantities of the world's cobalt, as well as large deposits of copper, diamonds, tantalum, tin, and gold; the total value of untapped mineral deposits is around $24 trillion. I want to begin mining out these resources.

[The Orson Empire]

Orson, a communist nation doesn't have 'colonies', they have satellites and puppets.

Well, the land in Africa won't be under the control of Italy's national government. It is the personal land of the leader of Italy himself (similar to how the Congo Free State in OTL was the personal property of King Leopold II of Belgium).

[The V O I D]

Orson, a communist nation doesn't have 'colonies', they have satellites and puppets.

Well, the land in Africa won't be under the control of Italy's national government. It is the personal land of the leader of Italy himself (similar to how the Congo Free State in OTL was the personal property of King Leopold II of Belgium).

...a communist leader owns PRIVATE PROPERTY?

you are not a true communist.

[The Orson Empire]

Well, the land in Africa won't be under the control of Italy's national government. It is the personal land of the leader of Italy himself (similar to how the Congo Free State in OTL was the personal property of King Leopold II of Belgium).

...a communist leader owns PRIVATE PROPERTY?

you are not a true communist.

Well, about that...

On paper, Italy is a fully communist nation, but in practice, not so much. Italy's economy is more of a mixed economy, very similar to how China's economy works in RL.

[Cymrea]

...a communist leader owns PRIVATE PROPERTY?

you are not a true communist.

Well, about that...

On paper, Italy is a fully communist nation, but in practice, not so much. Italy's economy is more of a mixed economy, very similar to how China's economy works in RL.

How about that, two communist nations that aren't, really.

[The V O I D]

...a communist leader owns PRIVATE PROPERTY?

you are not a true communist.

Well, about that...

On paper, Italy is a fully communist nation, but in practice, not so much. Italy's economy is more of a mixed economy, very similar to how China's economy works in RL.

...France will probably only be allied with Italy simply because it is "communist", then, rather than being true allies.

Will Italy help bring about the Glorious Revolution in weak Bourgeoisie Monarchies, then? Spain's up first.

@Cy. How is France not communist?

[Cymrea]

Well, about that...

On paper, Italy is a fully communist nation, but in practice, not so much. Italy's economy is more of a mixed economy, very similar to how China's economy works in RL.

...France will probably only be allied with Italy simply because it is "communist", then, rather than being true allies.

Will Italy help bring about the Glorious Revolution in weak Bourgeoisie Monarchies, then? Spain's up first.

@Cy. How is France not communist?

An economy that runs like the Soviet Union. Someone's gonna be in charge of all that loot. And there has never been a true communist nation in the history of the world; largely, in my opinion, because while communism sounds great on paper, it completely discounts the human need for incentive and ambition.

Regardless, whether you guys are communist like the USSR and China, or "communist" in name only, the primary factor of international relations will be your actions rather than your ideology. At least at first.

[The V O I D]

...France will probably only be allied with Italy simply because it is "communist", then, rather than being true allies.

Will Italy help bring about the Glorious Revolution in weak Bourgeoisie Monarchies, then? Spain's up first.

@Cy. How is France not communist?

An economy that runs like the Soviet Union. Someone's gonna be in charge of all that loot. And there has never been a true communist nation in the history of the world; largely, in my opinion, because while communism sounds great on paper, it completely discounts the human need for incentive and ambition.

Regardless, whether you guys are communist like the USSR and China, or "communist" in name only, the primary factor of international relations will be your actions rather than your ideology. At least at first.

Marxist-Pierrean thought is similar to Marxism-Leninism but with a few key differences, and while the FSR/FPR is run similarly to a unitary version of the USSR, it isn't run exactly the same.

Also, I'm guessing that this means Italy isn't Marxist-Pierrean.

[Cymrea]

Marxist-Pierrean thought is similar to Marxism-Leninism but with a few key differences, and while the FSR/FPR is run similarly to a unitary version of the USSR, it isn't run exactly the same.

Also, I'm guessing that this means Italy isn't Marxist-Pierrean.

It'll be interesting to see how your government officials resist the allure of power and greed. So far, no government has.

Unless you develop Soma and start a Brave New France.