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Postby Togeria » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:20 am

Saint Ryvern wrote:
Togeria wrote:If you wanna play it than by all means do so.

No please go ahead. You're a returning player and you have a completed application. I can come up with something else.

I just reserved a different land claim. I don't mind you having Brazil.
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Postby Togeria » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:22 am

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Elerian wrote:
Someone already reserved Spain and Morocco a page or two back.

Well, I probably missed that.

Tunis and Algeria are free though.

What about Tripotania as well?
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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Feb 27, 2017 6:35 am

Togeria wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Well, I probably missed that.

Tunis and Algeria are free though.

What about Tripotania as well?

If you mean Tripolitania, it's free.
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:30 am

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Cabana wrote:-App-

Accepted

Added to the map. I will update the OP once I've finished wading through the posts from the weekend. I'll be posting these updates in chronological order. :)
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:51 am

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Western Imperial Union wrote:Hey so what else do i need to do to have my application accepted fully? It was pulled here from the last rp yes so what do I need to do?

Just have it reposted, I suppose, I'm not sure why Cy hasn't added you yet.

Because I didn't see a post from you saying, "Accepted". :)

Added to my official map. Update on the OP forthcoming.

Helghan: the official map on the OP has Iceland in your colour, worry not. :)
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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:01 am

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Tracian Empire wrote:Just have it reposted, I suppose, I'm not sure why Cy hasn't added you yet.

Because I didn't see a post from you saying, "Accepted". :)

Added to my official map. Update on the OP forthcoming.

Helghan: the official map on the OP has Iceland in your colour, worry not. :)

But what do you think about the larger second variant of the map?

Most players seem to like it.
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:04 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Because I didn't see a post from you saying, "Accepted". :)

Added to my official map. Update on the OP forthcoming.

Helghan: the official map on the OP has Iceland in your colour, worry not. :)

But what do you think about the larger second variant of the map?

Most players seem to like it.

I'm in the process of adding WIU to the map. And I thought the second variant was referring to China? If you mean France, I prefer the second variant. I'm still on page 17 or 18, so I haven't gotten to all the newest info or acceptances yet. :)
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:08 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Because I didn't see a post from you saying, "Accepted". :)

Added to my official map. Update on the OP forthcoming.

Helghan: the official map on the OP has Iceland in your colour, worry not. :)

But what do you think about the larger second variant of the map?

Most players seem to like it.

Ooooh, I think I see what you mean. Your second map with a slightly larger Livonia and Ruthenia. I think it works just fine and I will update the official map to match it. :)
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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:09 am

Cymrea wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:But what do you think about the larger second variant of the map?

Most players seem to like it.

Ooooh, I think I see what you mean. Your second map with a slightly larger Livonia and Ruthenia. I think it works just fine and I will update the official map to match it. :)

No, like, the second map style.

We found a Victoria II map template that actually shows the entire world.

http://imgur.com/u2izTeW
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:14 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Cymrea wrote:Ooooh, I think I see what you mean. Your second map with a slightly larger Livonia and Ruthenia. I think it works just fine and I will update the official map to match it. :)

No, like, the second map style.

We found a Victoria II map template that actually shows the entire world.

http://imgur.com/u2izTeW

I did see that; it's been helpful to know where the real life borders are as I fill in the map with such vague territorial claims as " the Balkans". :P
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:17 am

Dires wrote:Also I think the map missed my claim over the spackle of islands directly below Mariana islands.

Entirely possible. Is there some way you can link me a map with your claims? Or even circles around the islands you claimed, the ones I missed. :)
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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:18 am

Cymrea wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:No, like, the second map style.

We found a Victoria II map template that actually shows the entire world.

http://imgur.com/u2izTeW

I did see that; it's been helpful to know where the real life borders are as I fill in the map with such vague territorial claims as " the Balkans". :P

We were discussing the possibility of using this map format for the official map of the RP, because it shows the entire world, not just like the toned down normal Victoria II map, and because several players, including me, think that it looks better.

So that's the thing, what do you think about this, since you're our cartographer?
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:22 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Cymrea wrote:I did see that; it's been helpful to know where the real life borders are as I fill in the map with such vague territorial claims as " the Balkans". :P

We were discussing the possibility of using this map format for the official map of the RP, because it shows the entire world, not just like the toned down normal Victoria II map, and because several players, including me, think that it looks better.

So that's the thing, what do you think about this, since you're our cartographer?

I think that leaving the NPC territories in white gives a much clearer idea about which of us possesses what. We just need to make sure everyone knows that a white space on the map is an independent and sovereign space with its own local governance, not a blank to colour in with impunity.

Also, waiting on acceptance for China. My official opinion is that the second app is much better.

And finally, just waiting on acceptance of reservations added over the weekend. :)
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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:24 am

Cymrea wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:We were discussing the possibility of using this map format for the official map of the RP, because it shows the entire world, not just like the toned down normal Victoria II map, and because several players, including me, think that it looks better.

So that's the thing, what do you think about this, since you're our cartographer?

I think that leaving the NPC territories in white gives a much clearer idea about which of us possesses what. We just need to make sure everyone knows that a white space on the map is an independent and sovereign space with its own local governance, not a blank to colour in with impunity.

Also, waiting on acceptance for China. My official opinion is that the second app is much better.

And finally, just waiting on acceptance of reservations added over the weekend. :)

Okay, I am confused.

Which map format do you need we should use? The classic Victoria II map we have been using until now, or the new larger format that also seems to have the provinces basically colored in gray instead of white?
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:30 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Cymrea wrote:I think that leaving the NPC territories in white gives a much clearer idea about which of us possesses what. We just need to make sure everyone knows that a white space on the map is an independent and sovereign space with its own local governance, not a blank to colour in with impunity.

Also, waiting on acceptance for China. My official opinion is that the second app is much better.

And finally, just waiting on acceptance of reservations added over the weekend. :)

Okay, I am confused.

Which map format do you need we should use? The classic Victoria II map we have been using until now, or the new larger format that also seems to have the provinces basically colored in gray instead of white?

The official map is the one I have uploaded to the OP and will be continually updating. The sizing is a weirdness with imgur formatting. The map can be saved to your hard drive and it will open at normal size, which is pretty big. :)
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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:33 am

China? Also, new map or old one?

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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:36 am

Cymrea wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Okay, I am confused.

Which map format do you need we should use? The classic Victoria II map we have been using until now, or the new larger format that also seems to have the provinces basically colored in gray instead of white?

The official map is the one I have uploaded to the OP and will be continually updating. The sizing is a weirdness with imgur formatting. The map can be saved to your hard drive and it will open at normal size, which is pretty big. :)

Okay, I don't think that I've made myself clear.

Look at this map, the format that we are using for the official map.

http://imgur.com/w1SkjXx

It doesn't show the entire world. It cuts all polar regions off.

And after looking around, one of the players found this version:
http://imgur.com/u2izTeW

That shows the entire world, plus all polar regions. And in the opinion of some of us, the map itself, with gray as the basic color of the provinces instead of white, looks better.

And people proposed that we should use the second variant, the larger one that shows the entire world, as our official map from now on.
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:43 am

Tracian Empire wrote:
Cymrea wrote:The official map is the one I have uploaded to the OP and will be continually updating. The sizing is a weirdness with imgur formatting. The map can be saved to your hard drive and it will open at normal size, which is pretty big. :)

Okay, I don't think that I've made myself clear.

Look at this map, the format that we are using for the official map.

http://imgur.com/w1SkjXx

It doesn't show the entire world. It cuts all polar regions off.

And after looking around, one of the players found this version:
http://imgur.com/u2izTeW

That shows the entire world, plus all polar regions. And in the opinion of some of us, the map itself, with gray as the basic color of the provinces instead of white, looks better.

And people proposed that we should use the second variant, the larger one that shows the entire world, as our official map from now on.

Oooooh! Now I see. It's early on a Monday and I'm not fully caffeinated yet. :P

Yes, second style including polar areas is much better, plus the grey is better than plain white. I will be editing that map now. :)
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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Feb 27, 2017 8:45 am

Cymrea wrote:
Tracian Empire wrote:Okay, I don't think that I've made myself clear.

Look at this map, the format that we are using for the official map.

http://imgur.com/w1SkjXx

It doesn't show the entire world. It cuts all polar regions off.

And after looking around, one of the players found this version:
http://imgur.com/u2izTeW

That shows the entire world, plus all polar regions. And in the opinion of some of us, the map itself, with gray as the basic color of the provinces instead of white, looks better.

And people proposed that we should use the second variant, the larger one that shows the entire world, as our official map from now on.

Oooooh! Now I see. It's early on a Monday and I'm not fully caffeinated yet. :P

Yes, second style including polar areas is much better, plus the grey is better than plain white. I will be editing that map now. :)

Okay, no problem :p

That's the thing. DEA found the map, and I added the nations that were on the official map until then in the weekend, so that if we agree on moving to this one, you can just pick up from where you left.

Largely, I've missed some of Novacom's islands, apparently.
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Postby Dires » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:16 am

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Dires wrote:Also I think the map missed my claim over the spackle of islands directly below Mariana islands.

Entirely possible. Is there some way you can link me a map with your claims? Or even circles around the islands you claimed, the ones I missed. :)


Sorry, I don't really have any experience with map editing, just I'm missing some islands between the Phillipines and Hawaii like what is today the Federated States of Micronesia
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Postby Dires » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:19 am

Ah well, I thought the white looked cleaner and easier to differentiate.
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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:21 am

Revised China being inspected yet?
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:34 am

Dires wrote:Ah well, I thought the white looked cleaner and easier to differentiate.

Agreed, but whitening all the grey would be a lot of work. :P

Map is updated on the OP, as are the Accepted Applications and Reservations, per the OOC. I need to add France...working on that now...

Trace: DEA's latest app for China, yea or nay?

Nova: Submit your app, man! If you have already, just link it. :)

Reservations needing acceptance:
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Postby Tracian Empire » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:40 am

Cymrea wrote:
Dires wrote:Ah well, I thought the white looked cleaner and easier to differentiate.

Agreed, but whitening all the grey would be a lot of work. :P

Map is updated on the OP, as are the Accepted Applications and Reservations, per the OOC. I need to add France...working on that now...

Trace: DEA's latest app for China, yea or nay?

Nova: Submit your app, man! If you have already, just link it. :)

Reservations needing acceptance:

The China app looks certainly better than before, but I'll need to consult the rest of the board first to be sure, and all reservations are accepted.
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Postby Cymrea » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:48 am

Tracian Empire wrote:The China app looks certainly better than before, but I'll need to consult the rest of the board first to be sure, and all reservations are accepted.

France is added to the map, reservations are added to the OP.

Linked DEA's latest China app, and cleared GSU's nascent Slavic claim as it appears there's little of his desired territories left.

GSU: you're more than welcome to make a new claim, based on the map in the OP. :)
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