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Erutenia
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Postby Erutenia » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:10 pm

Chewion wrote:
Erutenia wrote:Where i can sign in?

You wanted my money I thought?

i don't know what i'm doing tbh.
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Tallahassee News Station
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Postby Tallahassee News Station » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:11 pm

Chewion wrote:
Tallahassee News Station wrote:Right, so we've got Cuba, Mexico, Germany, U.S., and Russia for the negotiations. UN as well?


Wait the peace treaty is not being negotiated. It's done it just needs signing.



OFFICIAL COMMUNIQUE FROM THE UNITED STATES TO CUBA
The President would like a ceasefire to be put into place so negotiations can be held between our two nations. It is the Presidents hope that the UN, Mexico, Germany, and Russia can help in the negotiations. If you agree to a ceasefire the President will pull the carrier out of Cuban waters and have the troops in Havana stand down and surrender as a sign of good faith as long as they and their equipment are returned unharmed.


?


Are they going to do anything then?
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Kumbhalgarh
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Postby Kumbhalgarh » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:12 pm

Erutenia wrote:
Chewion wrote:You wanted my money I thought?

i don't know what i'm doing tbh.



wait what country are you
The Rajput Swarajya of Kumbhalgarh
कुंभलगढ़ के राजपूत किंगडम

We have one of the most powerful Militaries in the Nationstates world.
The DEMONYM of Kumbhalgarh is Rajput.
We are a proud and indepedent nation.
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Chewion
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Postby Chewion » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:12 pm

Erutenia wrote:
Chewion wrote:You wanted my money I thought?

i don't know what i'm doing tbh.

I want to arrange a state visit btw. I am trying to show the world that Kiser does want international cooperation.
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Kumbhalgarh
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Postby Kumbhalgarh » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:13 pm

Chewion wrote:
Erutenia wrote:i don't know what i'm doing tbh.

I want to arrange a state visit btw. I am trying to show the world that Kiser does want international cooperation.



You can come to India if you want, as much as I want to arrange an Asian Union I've realized over the past 5 minutes that China hates India and its not going to work out Lol
The Rajput Swarajya of Kumbhalgarh
कुंभलगढ़ के राजपूत किंगडम

We have one of the most powerful Militaries in the Nationstates world.
The DEMONYM of Kumbhalgarh is Rajput.
We are a proud and indepedent nation.
.
JAI MATA DI

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Pimps Inc
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Postby Pimps Inc » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:14 pm

Kumbhalgarh wrote:
Monarchy of Japanada wrote:The American economy isn't crap..its better than the Chinese and Indian economies, now at least.




THIS KID. IM FUCKING DONE LMAO. AMERICA'S ECONOMY IS LARGE, BUT ITS NOT GOOD LMAO. It grew before because it wasn't as urbanized, as your country urbanizes, labor costs go up, and due to that now its shit. They are in a huge debt, they cant compete with chinese manufacturers. Their growth rate is 1.2%, India's is 8%, and China's is 6.6%.

American workers don't earn $ 3 a day.
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United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:15 pm

NS Nation Name: DPRK
RL Country Chosen: Reino de España
Name of Leader:
Head of State: King Felipe VI
Head of Government: Excelentísimo Señor Carlos Juan Yoraj
Appearance of Leader
Image
Biography of Leader/History of Country(I thought it would be better to combine the two) :
Born in the Spanish city of Ceuta, Yoraj was born to a family of wealthy merchants who pampered and spoiled his every move, to the point that to this day he occasionally still behaves like a spoiled brat relying on close friends, and advisers to calm him down, before doing anything too rash. However, despite his attitude and general recklessness, Yoraj was seen from a young age to be enormously talented in school. At the age of 18 he went to the University of Madrid and studied economics, where he graduated Summa Cum Laude. Afterwards, he returned to Ceuta, and got a job in a consulting firm working for the city. The 10 years of his life working for the consulting firm were largely uneventful and mundane. After 10 years on the job, he decided that the consulting job that he got was a dead end, and decided to try his hand in politics. Running as the People's Party candidate for Deputy from Ceuta, he was able to win the stronghold without much difficulty.

During his first few years of the Cortes Generales he was mostly a backbencher not doing much, opposing the agenda of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party for the most part, and not much else. With the management of the Spanish Socialist Worker's the economy started its stagnation, and eventual decline, which in part caused the rise of the PP, but at that time he was still a backbencher. However, after the Peoples' Party stormed to power in 2011 he was nominated as the Minister of Economy, Industry, and Competitiveness. However, he only held that position for a period of one year before the death of the Prime Minister from a heart attack. With the two wings of the party unable to agree on a new Prime Minister, Yoraj was chosen as a dark horse compromise candidate to appease both factions.

As Prime Minister, he was known to be dull, uncharismatic, and boring in his speeches, with his ability to inspire being lackluster at best. However, he was a very capable administrator, even though he was prone to rash decisions at times, they have not proven to be too destructive as of yet. Taking office during the Great Recession Yoraj managed better than most world leaders in that regard. During his first few weeks in office he embarked on the Amputación Ardua, where he negotiated an exit from the Euro for Spain, and the country readopted its old currency, with a new central bank. Afterwards, he introduced quantitative easing, and the largest income tax cut in Spanish history to combat to recession, and created tax credits for companies who hire young people to attack the youth unemployment problem. A new wave of bonds were issued to fund a huge infrastructure projects across the country, with high speed railroads, highways, sewers, etc, were built. Many cuts to regulation were also enacted, with a regulation bank that stipulated that for every new regulation added two had to be removed, labor market laws were also relaxes greatly. An anti-corruption campaign was mounted, where Yoraj cracked down dramatically on corrupt officials and sent them to prison for life. R and D funding was doubled to 2.6% of the GDP. The salaries of public workers were decreased greatly. In addition, a new wave of trade deals were negotiated with Latin American, and South American countries where Spain could export more of its manufactured goods, and the Latin American countries could export more raw materials to Spain.

By 2015, the date of the next Spanish General election, unemployment was at a low 16%, and decreasing, although the debt had increased greatly, so is the economy with the policies that he enacted producing a 1.2% growth rate. The PP were elected to another majority, with Yoraj at the helm of the ship, despite the debt crisis that Spain is projected to face within 5-10 years, for the most first time the Spanish economy is looking up in almost 20 years, however the growth rate still remains relatively low.






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"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Chewion
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Founded: May 21, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Chewion » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:16 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:NS Nation Name: DPRK
RL Country Chosen: Reino de España
Name of Leader:
Head of State: King Felipe VI
Head of Government: Excelentísimo Señor Carlos Juan Yoraj
Appearance of Leader
(Image)
Biography of Leader/History of Country(I thought it would be better to combine the two) :
Born in the Spanish city of Ceuta, Yoraj was born to a family of wealthy merchants who pampered and spoiled his every move, to the point that to this day he occasionally still behaves like a spoiled brat relying on close friends, and advisers to calm him down, before doing anything too rash. However, despite his attitude and general recklessness, Yoraj was seen from a young age to be enormously talented in school. At the age of 18 he went to the University of Madrid and studied economics, where he graduated Summa Cum Laude. Afterwards, he returned to Ceuta, and got a job in a consulting firm working for the city. The 10 years of his life working for the consulting firm were largely uneventful and mundane. After 10 years on the job, he decided that the consulting job that he got was a dead end, and decided to try his hand in politics. Running as the People's Party candidate for Deputy from Ceuta, he was able to win the stronghold without much difficulty.

During his first few years of the Cortes Generales he was mostly a backbencher not doing much, opposing the agenda of the Spanish Socialist Workers' Party for the most part, and not much else. With the management of the Spanish Socialist Worker's the economy started its stagnation, and eventual decline, which in part caused the rise of the PP, but at that time he was still a backbencher. However, after the Peoples' Party stormed to power in 2011 he was nominated as the Minister of Economy, Industry, and Competitiveness. However, he only held that position for a period of one year before the death of the Prime Minister from a heart attack. With the two wings of the party unable to agree on a new Prime Minister, Yoraj was chosen as a dark horse compromise candidate to appease both factions.

As Prime Minister, he was known to be dull, uncharismatic, and boring in his speeches, with his ability to inspire being lackluster at best. However, he was a very capable administrator, even though he was prone to rash decisions at times, they have not proven to be too destructive as of yet. Taking office during the Great Recession Yoraj managed better than most world leaders in that regard. During his first few weeks in office he embarked on the Amputación Ardua, where he negotiated an exit from the Euro for Spain, and the country readopted its old currency, with a new central bank. Afterwards, he introduced quantitative easing, and the largest income tax cut in Spanish history to combat to recession, and created tax credits for companies who hire young people to attack the youth unemployment problem. A new wave of bonds were issued to fund a huge infrastructure projects across the country, with high speed railroads, highways, sewers, etc, were built. Many cuts to regulation were also enacted, with a regulation bank that stipulated that for every new regulation added two had to be removed, labor market laws were also relaxes greatly. An anti-corruption campaign was mounted, where Yoraj cracked down dramatically on corrupt officials and sent them to prison for life. R and D funding was doubled to 2.6% of the GDP. The salaries of public workers were decreased greatly. In addition, a new wave of trade deals were negotiated with Latin American, and South American countries where Spain could export more of its manufactured goods, and the Latin American countries could export more raw materials to Spain.

By 2015, the date of the next Spanish General election, unemployment was at a low 16%, and decreasing, although the debt had increased greatly, so is the economy with the policies that he enacted producing a 1.2% growth rate. The PP were elected to another majority, with Yoraj at the helm of the ship, despite the debt crisis that Spain is projected to face within 5-10 years, for the most first time the Spanish economy is looking up in almost 20 years, however the growth rate still remains relatively low.






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NewLakotah
Minister
 
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Founded: Feb 18, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby NewLakotah » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:17 pm

Kumbhalgarh wrote:
Chewion wrote:India exports about a quarter of all of their exports to the US and another quarter to the UAE which is a US ally. I could literally end your economy and China wouldn't want to cut ties because they owe us debt as well. I have done nothing to you so I don't see how your crusade is justified and if you keep spamming messages I will kick you.



US Economy. The U.S. debt to China is $1.05 trillion, as of November 2016. That's 27.8 percent of the $3.77 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. China could end your economy........

That's not how economics works... Yes, the trade deficit between the US and Chinese is very high. However, that is too be expected from a industrializing nation to post one. Its general economic theory. Secondly, the US economy is far more diversified than the Chinese economy. The Chinese economy is entirely dependent on exporting cheap goods overseas to wealthy Western nations. They literally have no internal trade at all, practically. At least, nothing to compare to what they ship to America. If America ends their relationship, yes America gets hurt but America has a multitude of other options. The Chinese have zero. The Chinese economy would self distruct as their own internal markets would be flooded with extremely expensive items that no one could afford, then they would drop, driving the Chinese manufacturers out of business. Probably to India, Vietnam, Laos, Indonesia, etc. The US has a ton of options, not to mention internal options to save itself. The Chinese have none.
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right." ~~ Black Hawk, Sauk

"When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home." ~~ Tecumseh

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Pimps Inc
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Founded: Jul 08, 2013
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Postby Pimps Inc » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:19 pm

NewLakotah wrote:
Chewion wrote:The peace treaty is signed first before the elections though?

The elections won't begin until Raul Castro is released and Russian advisors arrive to oversee the election. We've already established the ceasefire. The only thing stipulated is the Castro Exchange. After Castro is returned, Cuba will begin the total peace negotiations and sign the peace treaty.

Woah, I'm sorry but Mexico and, in hoping the rest of Latin America, won't accept an election not monitored by the UN. Russia is an ally and the reason Castro won't be getting trialed for human rights abuses. It wouldn't be fair. And how fair are Russian elections anyway? Blind leading the blind.
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Risottia wrote:
United States of White America wrote:Although Nietzsche was a god-fearing atheist and his quote is positive, I believe it is negative. I think God has died because of our corrupt, open society, where there is no objective sense of right and wrong. Instead, I propose to resurrect God and avenge him.


No way.

When we meet aliens from outer space, we'll yell:

We poison our air and water to weed out the weak!
We set off fission bombs in our only biosphere!
We nailed our god to a stick!
Don't fuck with the human race!

Kanye West 2024

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Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:19 pm

Alright few things to summarize from app
-Spain left the Euro but not the Eurozone
-Spain essentially went full Keynesian economics
-Spain has a much larger debt, and a currency that is valued far below that of the Euro
-Spain's economy is a bit better than it is IRL(though within realistic proportions)

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Tallahassee News Station
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Postby Tallahassee News Station » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:19 pm

Chewy, if you've got a bunch of tiny posts, at least combine them all into one.
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Postby Tallahassee News Station » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:20 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Alright few things to summarize from app
-Spain left the Euro but not the Eurozone
-Spain essentially went full Keynesian economics
-Spain has a much larger debt, and a currency that is valued far below that of the Euro
-Spain's economy is a bit better than it is IRL(though within realistic proportions)


I think Vogel's Germany was doing some extra stuff to help out Spain it that thing. But I guess that wouldn't be the case if that is how it is.
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Chewion
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Postby Chewion » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:20 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Alright few things to summarize from app
-Spain left the Euro but not the Eurozone
-Spain essentially went full Keynesian economics
-Spain has a much larger debt, and a currency that is valued far below that of the Euro
-Spain's economy is a bit better than it is IRL(though within realistic proportions)

Yo I just realized your flag has an emblem on it. I always thought it was a tiger head.
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Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:22 pm

Tallahassee News Station wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Alright few things to summarize from app
-Spain left the Euro but not the Eurozone
-Spain essentially went full Keynesian economics
-Spain has a much larger debt, and a currency that is valued far below that of the Euro
-Spain's economy is a bit better than it is IRL(though within realistic proportions)


I think Vogel's Germany was doing some extra stuff to help out Spain it that thing. But I guess that wouldn't be the case if that is how it is.

I could not do some quantitative easing if that were the case, and do you know how much money it takes to bail out Spain? Spain is not Greece its GDP is 7 times larger, it is simply too large to bail out. I could not find a way out that did not involve leaving the Euro.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Kumbhalgarh
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Founded: Dec 15, 2014
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Postby Kumbhalgarh » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:27 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Tallahassee News Station wrote:
I think Vogel's Germany was doing some extra stuff to help out Spain it that thing. But I guess that wouldn't be the case if that is how it is.

I could not do some quantitative easing if that were the case, and do you know how much money it takes to bail out Spain? Spain is not Greece its GDP is 7 times larger, it is simply too large to bail out. I could not find a way out that did not involve leaving the Euro.


Couldn't you take some money from Eurozone and create an economic stimulus package?
The Rajput Swarajya of Kumbhalgarh
कुंभलगढ़ के राजपूत किंगडम

We have one of the most powerful Militaries in the Nationstates world.
The DEMONYM of Kumbhalgarh is Rajput.
We are a proud and indepedent nation.
.
JAI MATA DI

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NewLakotah
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Postby NewLakotah » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:27 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Tallahassee News Station wrote:
I think Vogel's Germany was doing some extra stuff to help out Spain it that thing. But I guess that wouldn't be the case if that is how it is.

I could not do some quantitative easing if that were the case, and do you know how much money it takes to bail out Spain? Spain is not Greece its GDP is 7 times larger, it is simply too large to bail out. I could not find a way out that did not involve leaving the Euro.

That would actually be smart and successful, however, I can't imagine it being too popular among the people.
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right." ~~ Black Hawk, Sauk

"When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home." ~~ Tecumseh

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Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:28 pm

Also

Kumbhalgarh wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:I could not do some quantitative easing if that were the case, and do you know how much money it takes to bail out Spain? Spain is not Greece its GDP is 7 times larger, it is simply too large to bail out. I could not find a way out that did not involve leaving the Euro.


Couldn't you take some money from Eurozone and create an economic stimulus package?


No, that means more debt than if I just had a Central Bank print a bit of money, to rev up investment. Trust me I already have enough of a problem with debt as is, do not need more.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:29 pm

NewLakotah wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:I could not do some quantitative easing if that were the case, and do you know how much money it takes to bail out Spain? Spain is not Greece its GDP is 7 times larger, it is simply too large to bail out. I could not find a way out that did not involve leaving the Euro.

That would actually be smart and successful, however, I can't imagine it being too popular among the people.

People tend to forget when the economy is good.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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NewLakotah
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Founded: Feb 18, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby NewLakotah » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:29 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:That would actually be smart and successful, however, I can't imagine it being too popular among the people.

People tend to forget when the economy is good.

Tell that to Greece...
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right." ~~ Black Hawk, Sauk

"When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home." ~~ Tecumseh

Free Leonard Peltier!!

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Tallahassee News Station
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Postby Tallahassee News Station » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:30 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
Tallahassee News Station wrote:
I think Vogel's Germany was doing some extra stuff to help out Spain it that thing. But I guess that wouldn't be the case if that is how it is.

I could not do some quantitative easing if that were the case, and do you know how much money it takes to bail out Spain? Spain is not Greece its GDP is 7 times larger, it is simply too large to bail out. I could not find a way out that did not involve leaving the Euro.


I know, hence the "that wouldn't be the case"
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Postby Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:31 pm

NewLakotah wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:People tend to forget when the economy is good.

Tell that to Greece...

Growth has not kicked in yet, once it does it will become much more popular.

"The worst form of inequality is to make unequal things equal."
-Aristotle
"Even the striving for equality by means of a directed economy can result only in an officially enforced inequality - an authoritarian determination of the status of each individual in the new hierarchical order. "-Friedrich August von Hayek
Political Compass
Economic:3.88
Social:1.40

Tory Blue to the Core(Leans Democrat in the US though)
What have we done...

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NewLakotah
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Founded: Feb 18, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby NewLakotah » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:34 pm

Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:Tell that to Greece...

Growth has not kicked in yet, once it does it will become much more popular.

That's true, but Greeks voted down austerity measures that were necessary to receive a bailout. Then protested when things didn't improve. Some people don't want to give up their benefits, even if it is for the greater good.

On anther note, so Spain is basically the new UK of the EU. Poor EU though, they've lost a lot of states to people bailing out. Just Germany really to hold down the fort.
"How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right." ~~ Black Hawk, Sauk

"When it comes time to die, be not like those whose hearts are filled with the fear of death, so when their time comes they weep and pray for a little more time to live their lives over again in a different way. Sing your death song, and die like a hero going home." ~~ Tecumseh

Free Leonard Peltier!!

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Chewion
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Chewion » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:36 pm

NewLakotah wrote:
Democratic Peoples republic of Kelvinsi wrote:Growth has not kicked in yet, once it does it will become much more popular.

That's true, but Greeks voted down austerity measures that were necessary to receive a bailout. Then protested when things didn't improve. Some people don't want to give up their benefits, even if it is for the greater good.

On anther note, so Spain is basically the new UK of the EU. Poor EU though, they've lost a lot of states to people bailing out. Just Germany really to hold down the fort.

Hey can you clear me to land?
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Postby NewLakotah » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:37 pm

Chewion wrote:
NewLakotah wrote:That's true, but Greeks voted down austerity measures that were necessary to receive a bailout. Then protested when things didn't improve. Some people don't want to give up their benefits, even if it is for the greater good.

On anther note, so Spain is basically the new UK of the EU. Poor EU though, they've lost a lot of states to people bailing out. Just Germany really to hold down the fort.

Hey can you clear me to land?

Yeah, I'll just edit my original post acknowledging the Russian planes and add yours. Sorry, no red carpet for you...
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