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Postby True Christopia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:56 pm

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You talk with a lot of authority for someone with no authority. But I see the predicament, so I'll edit my post. I can always have that part of the development sometime later on.


WHo you editing the student to? You can pick a player if you want but I haven't edited yet


Editing the student to? It'll still be some random Slytherin NPC, so. Just very injured.
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 1:59 pm

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CoraSpia wrote:I've also made it abundantly clear that Gleen is happy to try and teach any student what they want to know.


No one's even attempted anything along the lines of asking him to teach them a certain spell though. I'm just seeing a bunch of people walking around throwing curses and very dangerous spells at one another with little indication of WHERE they learned it.

And it's not even the usage of dark arts that's the problem, it's the fact that they're being used by a bunch of kids. They're 11-12 years old. We're in the first year and we're already under threat of serious injury and death by damn near anything, including each other.

William's knowledge and reading about it shouldn't be a problem.

Honestly why do you care?
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Postby World Anarchic Union » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:13 pm

This whole situation is a major reason as to why I hadn't joined this RP from the start. Because of the restriction so all students would be placed in the same year, ideas people had would have to be postponed for a later time, which could never come seeing as RPs don't last forever or as long as the OP intends them to.

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CoraSpia wrote:I've also made it abundantly clear that Gleen is happy to try and teach any student what they want to know.


No one's even attempted anything along the lines of asking him to teach them a certain spell though. I'm just seeing a bunch of people walking around throwing curses and very dangerous spells at one another with little indication of WHERE they learned it.

And it's not even the usage of dark arts that's the problem, it's the fact that they're being used by a bunch of kids. They're 11-12 years old.

William's knowledge shouldn't be a problem either.

I have tried to justify as well as I can any kind of knowledge. All the ideas I had about William were based on the previous iteration, where he was intended to be 16 years old. I have tried to incorporate them in this new iteration, as effectively as I can, going out of my way to describe where he could have found out about all these things, where he could find the term "Horcrux" without fully knowing what it is etc. It isn't perfect, but I have tried to do as good a job as I could. Following all these, I will make sure to have my character approach Gleen and learn from more of an acceptable source.
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:15 pm

World Anarchic Union wrote:This whole situation is a major reason as to why I hadn't joined this RP from the start. Because of the restriction so all students would be placed in the same year, ideas people had would have to be postponed for a later time, which could never come seeing as RPs don't last forever or as long as the OP intends them to.

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No one's even attempted anything along the lines of asking him to teach them a certain spell though. I'm just seeing a bunch of people walking around throwing curses and very dangerous spells at one another with little indication of WHERE they learned it.

And it's not even the usage of dark arts that's the problem, it's the fact that they're being used by a bunch of kids. They're 11-12 years old.

William's knowledge shouldn't be a problem either.

I have tried to justify as well as I can any kind of knowledge. All the ideas I had about William were based on the previous iteration, where he was intended to be 16 years old. I have tried to incorporate them in this new iteration, as effectively as I can, going out of my way to describe where he could have found out about all these things, where he could find the term "Horcrux" without fully knowing what it is etc. It isn't perfect, but I have tried to do as good a job as I could. Following all these, I will make sure to have my character approach Gleen and learn from more of an acceptable source.

I'll be more than happy to have him teach him.
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Postby Talchyon » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:16 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
Miekzhemy wrote:
No one's even attempted anything along the lines of asking him to teach them a certain spell though. I'm just seeing a bunch of people walking around throwing curses and very dangerous spells at one another with little indication of WHERE they learned it.

And it's not even the usage of dark arts that's the problem, it's the fact that they're being used by a bunch of kids. They're 11-12 years old. We're in the first year and we're already under threat of serious injury and death by damn near anything, including each other.

William's knowledge and reading about it shouldn't be a problem.

Honestly why do you care?



This wasn't directed to me, but since I spoke earlier in favor of more restrictions, I'll speak my mind.

It seems rather overpowered. And if we are going to duel (as you indicated we were), that puts a lot of us at disadvantage who are trying to RP as 1st years.

Remember, in the first incarnation of this RP, my character Cyrus was a 4th year. I was planning on having him be interested in Ancient Runes, and try to weave a story plot together involving one of the books he was reading... But, since he's now a 1st year, and has had no chance to take Ancient Runes, I had to scrap that and come up with a different idea.

If I had to restrict my character, I appreciate it if others are doing it, too. It should be reasonable that we all have to, that we're all RPing like 1st years and not 6ths or even professionals (excluding you, Cora, and any other professor that's here). I don't mind some like William knowing more due to his interests in the dark arts. But too many is a bad idea. It gives the impression that an average 1st-yr. Hogwarts student could take on Dumbledore in his prime and win.

So, that's my beef. Now I'll be quiet here on this issue. I've said my peace.
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:19 pm

Talchyon wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Honestly why do you care?



This wasn't directed to me, but since I spoke earlier in favor of more restrictions, I'll speak my mind.

It seems rather overpowered. And if we are going to duel (as you indicated we were), that puts a lot of us at disadvantage who are trying to RP as 1st years.

Remember, in the first incarnation of this RP, my character Cyrus was a 4th year. I was planning on having him be interested in Ancient Runes, and try to weave a story plot together involving one of the books he was reading... But, since he's now a 1st year, and has had no chance to take Ancient Runes, I had to scrap that and come up with a different idea.

If I had to restrict my character, I appreciate it if others are doing it, too. It should be reasonable that we all have to, that we're all RPing like 1st years and not 6ths or even professionals (excluding you, Cora, and any other professor that's here). I don't mind some like William knowing more due to his interests in the dark arts. But too many is a bad idea. It gives the impression that an average 1st-yr. Hogwarts student could take on Dumbledore in his prime and win.

So, that's my beef. Now I'll be quiet here on this issue. I've said my peace.

Got a solution for everyone.

How about no one having to restrict their character?
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Postby World Anarchic Union » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:27 pm

CoraSpia wrote:I'll be more than happy to have him teach him.

I will have him approach Gleen at the end of this arc. Perhaps further on this arc he will realize he will need assistance and guidance.
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Postby New Roman Empire » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:27 pm

I have to agree with Talc here, everyone should ahear to the guidelines not just several of us everyone should agree to it. Frankly guys no one said your plans wont happen, they will happen at a later date in which you can go fulfill your dreams of being a rune scholar or whatever you want. But the situation is very annoy the fact that I have people griping about the spells then I have people griping about "oh my character has been destroyed cause of these rules" shit.

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As I have Said multiple times if oyu want the knowledge get a teacher I DO NOT CARE IF YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE I DO CARE IF YOU CAN CAST THIS STUFF AS A FIRST YEAR that is my problem.
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:44 pm

New Roman Empire wrote:I have to agree with Talc here, everyone should ahear to the guidelines not just several of us everyone should agree to it. Frankly guys no one said your plans wont happen, they will happen at a later date in which you can go fulfill your dreams of being a rune scholar or whatever you want. But the situation is very annoy the fact that I have people griping about the spells then I have people griping about "oh my character has been destroyed cause of these rules" shit.

@World Anarchic Union

As I have Said multiple times if oyu want the knowledge get a teacher I DO NOT CARE IF YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE I DO CARE IF YOU CAN CAST THIS STUFF AS A FIRST YEAR that is my problem.

Just tell the people moaning that people are too 'over-powered' to either change their character to suit it or put up with it. We're mid-way through the rp, why should we have to change our characters just because one or two people have decided now that it's a problem?
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Postby True Christopia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:53 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
New Roman Empire wrote:I have to agree with Talc here, everyone should ahear to the guidelines not just several of us everyone should agree to it. Frankly guys no one said your plans wont happen, they will happen at a later date in which you can go fulfill your dreams of being a rune scholar or whatever you want. But the situation is very annoy the fact that I have people griping about the spells then I have people griping about "oh my character has been destroyed cause of these rules" shit.

@World Anarchic Union

As I have Said multiple times if oyu want the knowledge get a teacher I DO NOT CARE IF YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE I DO CARE IF YOU CAN CAST THIS STUFF AS A FIRST YEAR that is my problem.

Just tell the people moaning that people are too 'over-powered' to either change their character to suit it or put up with it. We're mid-way through the rp, why should we have to change our characters just because one or two people have decided now that it's a problem?


Gotta say you're not putting much of a compelling argument for your case.
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Postby New Roman Empire » Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:56 pm

True Christopia wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Just tell the people moaning that people are too 'over-powered' to either change their character to suit it or put up with it. We're mid-way through the rp, why should we have to change our characters just because one or two people have decided now that it's a problem?


Gotta say you're not putting much of a compelling argument for your case.

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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:05 pm

True Christopia wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Just tell the people moaning that people are too 'over-powered' to either change their character to suit it or put up with it. We're mid-way through the rp, why should we have to change our characters just because one or two people have decided now that it's a problem?


Gotta say you're not putting much of a compelling argument for your case.

The fact is that we're mid-way through the rp. What shall we do, retcon everything that doesn't fit in with this new rule? If you wanted to start this up, you should have thought about that at the start, not when all our characters have already done it.
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Postby Dernland » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:08 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
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Gotta say you're not putting much of a compelling argument for your case.

The fact is that we're mid-way through the rp. What shall we do, retcon everything that doesn't fit in with this new rule? If you wanted to start this up, you should have thought about that at the start, not when all our characters have already done it.


It doesn't mean a retcon, just tone down on future use of such things.
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Postby True Christopia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:12 pm

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CoraSpia wrote:The fact is that we're mid-way through the rp. What shall we do, retcon everything that doesn't fit in with this new rule? If you wanted to start this up, you should have thought about that at the start, not when all our characters have already done it.


It doesn't mean a retcon, just tone down on future use of such things.


Yeah. While I personally dont mind this stuff, clearly lots of people do - so I'd agree in toning it tone. No need to retconn. I'll re-do my post soon.
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:17 pm

Dernland wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:The fact is that we're mid-way through the rp. What shall we do, retcon everything that doesn't fit in with this new rule? If you wanted to start this up, you should have thought about that at the start, not when all our characters have already done it.


It doesn't mean a retcon, just tone down on future use of such things.

Because obviously it makes total sense for our characters to suddenly stop using their mst powerful spells for no ic reason.
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Postby True Christopia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:19 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
Dernland wrote:
It doesn't mean a retcon, just tone down on future use of such things.

Because obviously it makes total sense for our characters to suddenly stop using their mst powerful spells for no ic reason.


Alright then. By order of the hand, everyone is to drag through every single one of their posts and edit out all of their most powerful spells. ASAP. All of them. Even the first arc.
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:21 pm

True Christopia wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Because obviously it makes total sense for our characters to suddenly stop using their mst powerful spells for no ic reason.


Alright then. By order of the hand, everyone is to drag through every single one of their posts and edit out all of their most powerful spells. ASAP. All of them. Even the first arc.

you go first, set an example
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Postby Dernland » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:21 pm

CoraSpia wrote:Because obviously it makes total sense for our characters to suddenly stop using their mst powerful spells for no ic reason.


I don't mean stop using them, I mean limit their use and don't use them often (from my POV, OP may see differently). You could invent an IC reason to explain such a change as well. Also, at least refrain from using new unrealistic spells in the future.
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Postby Talchyon » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:23 pm

I'll be sure to try to put a post up IC soon to help move things along as best as I can.
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Postby World Anarchic Union » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:24 pm

True Christopia wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Because obviously it makes total sense for our characters to suddenly stop using their mst powerful spells for no ic reason.


Alright then. By order of the hand, everyone is to drag through every single one of their posts and edit out all of their most powerful spells. ASAP. All of them. Even the first arc.

And which are they, exactly? Stupefy, Confringo etc count as most powerful?
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:25 pm

World Anarchic Union wrote:
True Christopia wrote:
Alright then. By order of the hand, everyone is to drag through every single one of their posts and edit out all of their most powerful spells. ASAP. All of them. Even the first arc.

And which are they, exactly? Stupefy, Confringo etc count as most powerful?

Sounds like guesswork to me.
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Postby CoraSpia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:27 pm

Dernland wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Because obviously it makes total sense for our characters to suddenly stop using their mst powerful spells for no ic reason.


I don't mean stop using them, I mean limit their use and don't use them often (from my POV, OP may see differently). You could invent an IC reason to explain such a change as well. Also, at least refrain from using new unrealistic spells in the future.

What possible IC reason could a character have to stop using their most powerful weapons? It's like being under attack by an armed man, having a rifle in your hand but somehow deciding not to use it
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Postby World Anarchic Union » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:30 pm

CoraSpia wrote:
World Anarchic Union wrote:And which are they, exactly? Stupefy, Confringo etc count as most powerful?

Sounds like guesswork to me.

I want a list of what is acceptable to do and what isn't according to the OP since this is what we appear to be doing. If we are to follow these rules, at least know what is included in them. Not have to guess what is ok to post and what isn't, only to have to edit it out later.

Btw, what is going on in the IC now? Has someone died or not?
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Postby Khasinkonia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:35 pm

Dernland wrote:
CoraSpia wrote:Because obviously it makes total sense for our characters to suddenly stop using their mst powerful spells for no ic reason.


I don't mean stop using them, I mean limit their use and don't use them often (from my POV, OP may see differently). You could invent an IC reason to explain such a change as well. Also, at least refrain from using new unrealistic spells in the future.

There's actually a pretty simple IC solution, at least from my point of view:

Have the Headmaster make a rule stating that "Due to the recent usage of advanced, and potentially dangerous spells by some students in lower grades, it has become necessary to monitor and control the spellwork of the lower grades to a greater extent than we have previously. I hope that the students who have contributed to this decision understand the necessity of this new rule.

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Postby True Christopia » Fri Feb 24, 2017 3:35 pm

It'll be up to the OP I s'pose.
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