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Postby Tysoania » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:12 pm

Biscaria wrote:
Parcia wrote:ETA on that IC?

I second that.

I third that. As soon as I finish huffing this kitten.
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Postby Sarejo » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:13 pm

Parcia wrote:
Anowa wrote:I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Nothing made prior to the 1800s was a rifle. Every firearm prior was smoothbore.


Clarification: What makes a rifle a rifle is the grooves inside the barrel, which allow the bullet to spin as it sped towards its target, enhancing accuracy and range. Weapons before this method, which came about in the early to mid 1800s, were not rifles, but in fact smooth-bore muskets.

Things from the 1500s one were...glorified iron tubes with rocks and black powder shoved down the barrel.
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Apror wrote:No, those were usually rifles. Musketeers were deployed in the 15th century, even during the Middle Ages. Cannons too. If I am correct, cannons had a role in the crusades.

I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Nothing made prior to the 1800s was a rifle. Every firearm prior was smoothbore.


Respectfully beg to differ.
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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:13 pm

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Apror wrote:Considering that's way too long a discription, let's just call it a Musket.

Could call then what they are called. Hand Cannon.

The Hand Cannon is basically portable artillery. Not muskets, like the ones Spain used to free itself and kick out the Moors.
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Postby Parcia » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:15 pm

Sarejo wrote:
Parcia wrote:
Clarification: What makes a rifle a rifle is the grooves inside the barrel, which allow the bullet to spin as it sped towards its target, enhancing accuracy and range. Weapons before this method, which came about in the early to mid 1800s, were not rifles, but in fact smooth-bore muskets.

Things from the 1500s one were...glorified iron tubes with rocks and black powder shoved down the barrel.
Anowa wrote:I don't think you understand what you're talking about. Nothing made prior to the 1800s was a rifle. Every firearm prior was smoothbore.


Respectfully beg to differ.


Ahh, i stand corrected then. although allow me to point out that a regular round ball used in e rifle would even be slower then say, a regular smooth bore.
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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:15 pm

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Apror wrote:Considering that's way too long a discription, let's just call it a Musket.



I apologize, that's actually the short version. Me, Anowa, and a few others here are regular military RPers, and have garnered a wealth of knowledge on such topics.

ETA on that IC?

I feel like I have quite the knowledge to. Not to just role play. Just learned because I could.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:16 pm

Apror wrote:
Parcia wrote:

I apologize, that's actually the short version. Me, Anowa, and a few others here are regular military RPers, and have garnered a wealth of knowledge on such topics.

ETA on that IC?

I feel like I have quite the knowledge to. Not to just role play. Just learned because I could.

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Postby Anowa » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:17 pm

Apror wrote:
Ithalian Empire wrote:Could call then what they are called. Hand Cannon.

The Hand Cannon is basically portable artillery. Not muskets, like the ones Spain used to free itself and kick out the Moors.

Honestly stop slapping the keyboard and actually research shit. Please, I can feel an embolism coming on because of just this.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:17 pm

Anowa wrote:
Apror wrote:The Hand Cannon is basically portable artillery. Not muskets, like the ones Spain used to free itself and kick out the Moors.

Honestly stop slapping the keyboard and actually research shit. Please, I can feel an embolism coming on because of just this.

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Postby Tysoania » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:17 pm

Apror wrote:
Parcia wrote:I apologize, that's actually the short version. Me, Anowa, and a few others here are regular military RPers, and have garnered a wealth of knowledge on such topics.

ETA on that IC?

I feel like I have quite the knowledge to. Not to just role play. Just learned because I could.

I'll stick with the sorta-experts on this.
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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:17 pm

Parcia wrote:


Ahh, i stand corrected then. although allow me to point out that a regular round ball used in e rifle would even be slower then say, a regular smooth bore.

No doubt. We're talking about the beginning of Gunpowder being used for guns.
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Postby Parcia » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:18 pm

Apror wrote:
Parcia wrote:
Ahh, i stand corrected then. although allow me to point out that a regular round ball used in e rifle would even be slower then say, a regular smooth bore.

No doubt. We're talking about the beginning of Gunpowder being used for guns.



WELlllllllll, if you want to get reeally fuckin technical, the first types of gunpowder in warfare were in the form of really basic rocket arty used by the Chinese in the 13th century.
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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:18 pm

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Anowa wrote:Honestly stop slapping the keyboard and actually research shit. Please, I can feel an embolism coming on because of just this.

stop falling for the bait

I just overlooked the Hand Cannon to be honest. I could look deeper into it if need be.
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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:19 pm

Parcia wrote:
Apror wrote:No doubt. We're talking about the beginning of Gunpowder being used for guns.



WELlllllllll, if you want to get reeally fuckin technical, the first types of gunpowder in warfare were in the form of really basic rocket arty used by the Chinese in the 13th century.

I said guns, not artillery! I know the Chinese had it first. I also said cannons were used during the crusades, before the end of the 15th century!
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Postby South Mauristan » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:20 pm

Parcia wrote:
Apror wrote:No doubt. We're talking about the beginning of Gunpowder being used for guns.



WELlllllllll, if you want to get reeally fuckin technical, the first types of gunpowder in warfare were in the form of really basic rocket arty used by the Chinese in the 13th century.

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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:22 pm

Tysoania wrote:
Apror wrote:I feel like I have quite the knowledge to. Not to just role play. Just learned because I could.

I'll stick with the sorta-experts on this.

Hey! I have a decent amount of knowledge on this, just not as much on the specifics. Though, I will admit, they may know more. But that's not to dismiss I know a deal of information. Musketeers came about near the end of the Middle Ages. They were in combat with the French in 1492 I believe.
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Postby Transoxthraxia » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:23 pm

Apror wrote:
Tysoania wrote:I'll stick with the sorta-experts on this.

Hey! I have a decent amount of knowledge on this, just not as much on the specifics. Though, I will admit, they may know more. But that's not to dismiss I know a deal of information. Musketeers came about near the end of the Middle Ages. They were in combat with the French in 1492 I believe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeer#Europe

16th century, earliest. Not the Medieval Age.
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"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand." The City's gone,
Nought but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

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Postby New Grestin » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:23 pm

I'm seriously done listening to debates about the semantics of firearm rifling. This is post-apocalyptic, small scale conflicts, not Napoleon's Grand Armée. The rules in the OP are clear, and if they aren't, I'll make them more clear.

The IC is coming when it's done, which should be in a few days.

Everyone needs to deescalate before this turns into even more of a pointless shouting match.
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Postby Tysoania » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:26 pm

New Grestin wrote:Everyone needs to deescalate before this turns into even more of a pointless shouting match.

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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:30 pm

Regardless, it says single shot weapons in the description. And the early 16th century isn't far away from the Middle Ages. It's not like I'm asking for rifles that could nail someone bulls eyes 50 - 100 yards away.
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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:31 pm

I do admit they were Hand cannons, not muskets. I was under the impression such weapons were early muskets.
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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:32 pm

Tysoania wrote:
New Grestin wrote:Everyone needs to deescalate before this turns into even more of a pointless shouting match.

Aye aye. I'll stow the bullhorn and large signs.

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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:33 pm

From canals, to the ethnics of slavery, to what's considered a musket. This never gets boring.
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Postby Biscaria » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:34 pm

Apror wrote:From canals, to the ethnics of slavery, to what's considered a musket. This never gets boring.

For late middle ages, I'd say you can have arquebuses and call it day.
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Postby Tysoania » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:35 pm

Biscaria wrote:
Apror wrote:From canals, to the ethnics of slavery, to what's considered a musket. This never gets boring.

I'd say you can have arquebuses and call it day.

Fine by me. Now, are we allowed to huff kittens as part of our culture?
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Postby Apror » Tue Jan 31, 2017 9:35 pm

Biscaria wrote:
Apror wrote:From canals, to the ethnics of slavery, to what's considered a musket. This never gets boring.

I'd say you can have arquebuses and call it day.

I admit that's what it's properly called, but can I just call it early fire arms?
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