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Postby Ascoobis » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:20 pm

So seeing that the Hutts control a large quadrant of the known galaxy, what do we think their role will be in this new Galactic Civil War? Neutrality and informants for all sides?

Speaking of the this GCW, I feel that with the Empire and Confederacy butting heads that the true colors of the Empire will be revealed more easily to many in the Galaxy. Leading to a quicker growth of the Rebellion. Especially without the Empire too preoccupied to have a strong devotion towards hunting down the Rebel Alliance in their own space.

Thoughts?
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Postby Arana » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:22 pm

Ascoobis wrote:So seeing that the Hutt control a large quadrant of the known galaxy, what do we think their role will be in this new Galactic Civil War? Neutrality and informants for all sides?

Speaking of the this GCW, I feel that with the Empire and Confederacy butting heads that the true colors of the Empire will be revealed more easily to many in the Galaxy. Leading to a quicker growth of the Rebellion. Especially without the Empire too preoccupied to have a strong devotion towards hunting down the Rebel Alliance in their own space.

Thoughts?

That sounds pretty inevitable. By 19 BBY, it seemed like anti-war sentiment was growing fast among the Republic... three years later, fighting against not only the CIS but the Rebellion as well, this is going to have significant consequences. Especially because the Rebellion has leaders like Amidala, who was admired and respected even by people who disagreed with her. It's going to be hard for the Empire to maintain public support for the war effort.
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Postby Altegonnia » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:24 pm

Also To imperial players be aware that not only is geonosis is not only better defended it is also behind the front lines.


You would not only have to fight your way there eliminating any element of surprise, you'll also be risking encirclement and being trapped in that system by seperatist reinforcments.

Pride of the core is powerful but not powerful enough to survive being surrounded by fleets

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Postby Zanera » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:39 pm

The V O I D wrote:
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Oh, ha, ha. Ha.


You keep talking about all this OP badass crap Vader can do, and all we can think of is Hayden Christenson Vader bitching about the latest development in his life. :p
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Postby Arana » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:40 pm

Altegonnia wrote:Also To imperial players be aware that not only is geonosis is not only better defended it is also behind the front lines.


You would not only have to fight your way there eliminating any element of surprise, you'll also be risking encirclement and being trapped in that system by seperatist reinforcments.

Pride of the core is powerful but not powerful enough to survive being surrounded by fleets

This seems like a pretty important point. A sneak attack on Geonosis is possible (although entirely expected, because it's an obvious target), but it would leave the Empire entirely cut off from reinforcements and surrounded by Confederate space on all sides. Even if they take the planet, the troops there might end up starving to death, as supplies aren't able to get to them.

The only other option seems like it would be fighting all the way there to clear a path, which would have a heavy cost and ruin any element of surprise, and give the Empire a weakened fleet for the big battle.
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Postby The V O I D » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:46 pm

Zanera wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
Oh, ha, ha. Ha.


You keep talking about all this OP badass crap Vader can do, and all we can think of is Hayden Christenson Vader bitching about the latest development in his life. :p


It isn't OP. Just natural Vader stuff that Vader is either canon stated to be able to do, canon shown to be able to do, etc.

Besides, Vader is badass. Only Nihilus tops him in Sith badassery.

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Postby Zanera » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:49 pm

Arana wrote:
Altegonnia wrote:Also To imperial players be aware that not only is geonosis is not only better defended it is also behind the front lines.


You would not only have to fight your way there eliminating any element of surprise, you'll also be risking encirclement and being trapped in that system by seperatist reinforcments.

Pride of the core is powerful but not powerful enough to survive being surrounded by fleets

This seems like a pretty important point. A sneak attack on Geonosis is possible (although entirely expected, because it's an obvious target), but it would leave the Empire entirely cut off from reinforcements and surrounded by Confederate space on all sides. Even if they take the planet, the troops there might end up starving to death, as supplies aren't able to get to them.

The only other option seems like it would be fighting all the way there to clear a path, which would have a heavy cost and ruin any element of surprise, and give the Empire a weakened fleet for the big battle.


I'll leave the strategy to the Grand Admiral and Darth Vader.
Ah, there. That feels better.
I don't have to speculate on strategy now. :lol:

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Zanera wrote:
You keep talking about all this OP badass crap Vader can do, and all we can think of is Hayden Christenson Vader bitching about the latest development in his life. :p


It isn't OP. Just natural Vader stuff that Vader is either canon stated to be able to do, canon shown to be able to do, etc.

Besides, Vader is badass. Only Nihilus tops him in Sith badassery.


The only times when Vader is badass is when he was in a suit.

And the timeline split before that point, but you know what happened to Vader?
He got his arm and legs sliced off, then burned alive.
Yeah.
Badass.
:p
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Postby Independent States of Tula » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:59 pm

Hey, for Imperial soldiers, are they still mainly made up of clones in phase two armor and using old Republic weaponry or are they the diversified Clones/Human Volunteers as Stormtroopers with all the weaponry and equipment we associate with Imperial Stormtroopers?

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Postby Helvetea » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:01 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Zanera wrote:
You keep talking about all this OP badass crap Vader can do, and all we can think of is Hayden Christenson Vader bitching about the latest development in his life. :p


It isn't OP. Just natural Vader stuff that Vader is either canon stated to be able to do, canon shown to be able to do, etc.

Besides, Vader is badass. Only Nihilus tops him in Sith badassery.


You're forgetting Revan.

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Postby Brusia » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:10 pm

Helvetea wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
It isn't OP. Just natural Vader stuff that Vader is either canon stated to be able to do, canon shown to be able to do, etc.

Besides, Vader is badass. Only Nihilus tops him in Sith badassery.


You're forgetting Revan.

And Vitiate.

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Postby Fascist Republic Of Bermuda » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:13 pm

Cody isn’t Imperial Navy so he technically can still be apped for, right? I've talked with Val about it over TG and he said it was okay, but that was before the ban.
Name: CC-2224 "Cody"
Age: Chronologically 16, Biologically 32
Gender: Male
Allegiance paid to: Galactic Empire
Rank: Major General
Appearance: Come on boss, when have I ever let you down?
Personality: Commander Cody is as he was in the Clone Wars- loyal, no-nonsense, and cautious. A trooper who does his duty no matter the cost, Cody prefers the tried and true methods that will ensure victory rather than risky gambles. Of course, as the galaxy changed, so did CC-2224. Gradually he has grown to resent the non-clone Stormtroopers that make up increasing amounts of the Imperial military, viewing them as inferior to the clone troopers of the GAR.
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Ship: Venator-class Star Destroyer Vigilance
Biography: Commander Cody. A living legend, hero of the Republic. Obi-Wan Kenobi's clone commander and friend. A veteran of many campaigns of the Clone Wars, from Christophsis to Ryloth. Born like every other clone in the cloning vats of Kamino, CC-2224 displayed a flair of independent thought, which caused the Kaminoans to single him out for officer training. While he did not serve on Geonosis, he was assigned Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi as his Jedi General. The two became quick friends, fighting together across countless battlefields. Due to Kenobi's association with famed Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, Cody often found himself teaming up with Skywalker's most trusted trooper- Captain CT-7567, better known as Captain Rex. The two had known each other in officer's training, and were an unlikely duo- Rex's risky assaults and daring plans contrasting sharply with Cody's more cautious approach to tactics. Still, they were comrades-in-arms, from the ambush on Rishi Moon were he, Rex, and a few rookie troopers took out a raiding force of CIS Commando Droids and saved Kamino to rooting out a traitor in the ranks of the clones on Christophsis to fighting through the hives during the Second Battle of Geonosis. Although it was tough, brutal, and oftentimes depressing, Cody could not have asked for a better time. And then there was Utapau.

Utapau itself wasn't much of a problem. The CIS fell quickly. Order 66 being issued wasn't a problem. It was the Chancellor speaking, after all. His orders were to be obeyed beyond all else. Firing on Kenobi wasn't a problem either. The ex-General was a traitor, Cody was ordered to, the clone had to follow his orders. Only problem about it was that the order came after Cody had given Kenobi's lightsaber back. But what Utapau meant to Cody was the end of the war. Without purpose. But as easily as moving from one campaign to another, Cody and the 7th Sky Corps he commanded were given a new mission: peacekeeping. They did that job, did it as only clone troopers could. But then word reached Cody that his friend Rex had defected. Deserted everything a clone stood for, fled on some wild claims of a conspiracy against the Jedi. Cody was taken aback. Certainly the Jedi conspired against the Chancellor, and not the other way around! But more than that, Cody was devastated. As much as he'd hate to admit it, the traitor Kenobi had been a good friend, Rex even more so. Kenobi was a Jedi, thus, his traitorous status could be excused. Rex was a clone, a brother. Loyalty and honor were sown into their very being. How one could just abandon that Cody couldn't understand.

Of course, Cody quickly had to move on from the loss of his friend to more pressing matters. During the Clone Wars there was little to no red tape, just get what you needed. With the new reforms, the bureaucracy swallowed Cody and the 7th Sky Corps more than a thousand Sarlaccs. The 7th was disbanded. Cody had to fight, using every ounce of weight he had to throw around, to keep the 212th under his command, and the Vigilance the 212th’s home even after she was due to be decommissioned and the subsequent Separatist raid. But eventually Cody triumphed. The 212th was his, and the Vigilance the 212th’s. Cracks started to show in Cody’s satisfaction with the new Imperial Army. Too many non-clones, Cody believed. If you wanted something done right, you had to have an army of one man- but the right man for the job!

Fortunately for Cody, and any potential non-clones who would be assigned to the battalion, the 212th remained entirely pure clone. And then the CIS resurfaced, the Outer Rim erupting into war once more. The 212th was mobilized in response. To Cody and his men, this was a return back into the war they had fought a year prior. Gradually the clone troopers have began to think it as the Same Shab, Different Day.
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Notes: Commanding Officer of the 212th Attack Battalion. Other major personnel under Cody’s command include Scout Trooper Boil, Commander Odd Ball, and Captain of the Vigilance Natomar Portmat.
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Postby Helvetea » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:14 pm

Brusia wrote:
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You're forgetting Revan.

And Vitiate.


And Sidious. Guy took on Maul and Savage. Only reason the fight lasted so long was because Sidious found it fun. He could easily have wiped the floor with those two.

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Postby Ascoobis » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:16 pm

Arana wrote:
Altegonnia wrote:Also To imperial players be aware that not only is geonosis is not only better defended it is also behind the front lines.


You would not only have to fight your way there eliminating any element of surprise, you'll also be risking encirclement and being trapped in that system by seperatist reinforcments.

Pride of the core is powerful but not powerful enough to survive being surrounded by fleets

This seems like a pretty important point. A sneak attack on Geonosis is possible (although entirely expected, because it's an obvious target), but it would leave the Empire entirely cut off from reinforcements and surrounded by Confederate space on all sides. Even if they take the planet, the troops there might end up starving to death, as supplies aren't able to get to them.

The only other option seems like it would be fighting all the way there to clear a path, which would have a heavy cost and ruin any element of surprise, and give the Empire a weakened fleet for the big battle.

Using the Sector fleets to push toward Geonosis, than in the final battle reinforce those battered fleet with Vader's fleet? Might be costly, but it could work. Losing very little of the Empire's best ships in that final battle and crushing the retreating Separatist forces as they try to make a last stand. Making military and morale lost to the Confederacy.

Although I want to say, let's not overestimate the value of Geonosis. While it's a newborn industrial powerhouse and the founding place of the Confederacy, it's not it's only industrial center. With three years to lick its wound, it's not unreasonable to see other Confederate industrial centers being repaired(Hypori, Mygeeto, Olanet, Skako, Colla IV, Pammant, etc.) and others springing up on other worlds(Possibly Felucia?). While the political capital of the CIS is Raxus Secundus(Imagine the amount of ship parts and metal a planet like Raxus Prime would provide to the Seps).
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Postby The V O I D » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:17 pm

Helvetea wrote:
Brusia wrote:And Vitiate.


And Sidious. Guy took on Maul and Savage. Only reason the fight lasted so long was because Sidious found it fun. He could easily have wiped the floor with those two.


Vader makes them all look like panzies.

Vader killed [or tried to kill] Maul once... by impaling himself in the chest to stab Maul who was behind him.

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Postby Zanera » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:22 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Helvetea wrote:
And Sidious. Guy took on Maul and Savage. Only reason the fight lasted so long was because Sidious found it fun. He could easily have wiped the floor with those two.


Vader makes them all look like panzies.

Vader killed [or tried to kill] Maul once... by impaling himself in the chest to stab Maul who was behind him.


Yes, and Vader can take down Obi-Wan, Yoda, and every other Jedi left in the galaxy in one fight, or something or other.

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Postby Brusia » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:25 pm

The V O I D wrote:
Helvetea wrote:
And Sidious. Guy took on Maul and Savage. Only reason the fight lasted so long was because Sidious found it fun. He could easily have wiped the floor with those two.


Vader makes them all look like panzies.

Vader killed [or tried to kill] Maul once... by impaling himself in the chest to stab Maul who was behind him.

Vitiate lived for over a thousand years by consuming all life on entire planets, and starting Galactic wars just to increase his power from the mass suffering inflicted on both sides. I'd say that's a little more badass.

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Postby Ascoobis » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:28 pm

Brusia wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
Vader makes them all look like panzies.

Vader killed [or tried to kill] Maul once... by impaling himself in the chest to stab Maul who was behind him.

Vitiate lived for over a thousand years by consuming all life on entire planets, and starting Galactic wars just to increase his power from the mass suffering inflicted on both sides. I'd say that's a little more badass.

I would consider that more sadism than badass, but yes. Very cool. :)
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Postby Arana » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:30 pm

Ascoobis wrote:
Brusia wrote:Vitiate lived for over a thousand years by consuming all life on entire planets, and starting Galactic wars just to increase his power from the mass suffering inflicted on both sides. I'd say that's a little more badass.

I would consider that more sadism than badass, but yes. Very cool. :)

Point being that Vader's kind of a lightweight compared to the Sith that came before him.
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Postby Helvetea » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:35 pm

Arana wrote:
Ascoobis wrote:I would consider that more sadism than badass, but yes. Very cool. :)

Point being that Vader's kind of a lightweight compared to the Sith that came before him.


Sidious mastered all forms of Lightsaber Combat and spent decades masterminding a very tangled web ensuring the destruction of the Jedi Order.

Vitiate lived for centuries, wiped out planets, and got power from the suffering of billions.

Revan. (Mic Drop)

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Postby Zanera » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:36 pm

Ascoobis wrote:
Brusia wrote:Vitiate lived for over a thousand years by consuming all life on entire planets, and starting Galactic wars just to increase his power from the mass suffering inflicted on both sides. I'd say that's a little more badass.

I would consider that more sadism than badass, but yes. Very cool. :)


Sith are sadists in general.
But I gotta say, Han Solo is more badass. He shot first, and then later he sent Darth Vader spiraling off into space. Plus, Harrison Ford.

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Postby Independent States of Tula » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:39 pm

Independent States of Tula wrote:Hey, for Imperial soldiers, are they still mainly made up of clones in phase two armor and using old Republic weaponry or are they the diversified Clones/Human Volunteers as Stormtroopers with all the weaponry and equipment we associate with Imperial Stormtroopers?


Just reposting this to avoid it being lost in a sea of Sith measuring.

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Postby Zanera » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:42 pm

Independent States of Tula wrote:
Independent States of Tula wrote:Hey, for Imperial soldiers, are they still mainly made up of clones in phase two armor and using old Republic weaponry or are they the diversified Clones/Human Volunteers as Stormtroopers with all the weaponry and equipment we associate with Imperial Stormtroopers?


Just reposting this to avoid it being lost in a sea of Sith measuring.


I think Sidious used the Clones to consolidate his rule at first, then started getting phased out with regular human volunteers/conscripts. As for weaponry and armor...I no know.

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Postby Democratic East-Asia » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:48 pm

Question: What's Vader's opinion on the Hutts and slavers?

I'm going to start smashing them if I get the troop strength (after other things are resolved). Attaca hates them. Attaca's also going to try to direct more troops and ships from outside his Oversector inwards, especially given his position. Moffs controlling the core regions honestly don't need so many ships after all...
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Postby Arana » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:52 pm

Democratic East-Asia wrote:Question: What's Vader's opinion on the Hutts and slavers?

I'm going to start smashing them if I get the troop strength (after other things are resolved). Attaca hates them. Also, Attaca's also going to try to direct more troops and ships from outside his Oversector inwards, especially given his position. Moffs controlling the core regions honestly don't need so many ships after all...

Considering Vader was once a slave, and I recall him belonging to a Hutt...

I'm gonna guess they're not super close.
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Postby The V O I D » Fri Jan 06, 2017 7:54 pm

Zanera wrote:
The V O I D wrote:
Vader makes them all look like panzies.

Vader killed [or tried to kill] Maul once... by impaling himself in the chest to stab Maul who was behind him.


Yes, and Vader can take down Obi-Wan, Yoda, and every other Jedi left in the galaxy in one fight, or something or other.


Not what I said, in context.

What I said was that he, in a 1v1 battle, could likely defeat Yoda, Obi-Wan, and the likes. In a group battle against all the Jedi Council Masters [Yoda, Obi-Wan + New Council], he'd lose, whether by submission or eventual death, but not before killing a couple Council members.

In a group battle of mere Masters [not Council Masters], the number required to try and weaken him/kill him increases to near-double that of the number of Council Masters (which, there aren't that many left in all likelihood anyhow). In a group battle against Knights, that number doubles compared to non-Council Master-type Masters (again, not nearly that number left due to most of the Order being extinguished). In a group battle against Padawans... that number likely triples or quadruples compared to Knights, and he'd only be killed if one of them got lucky or if he tired out after all that killing (which, this again suffers from lacking the numbers to accomplish this). Younglings and force sensitives with no Jedi training? Vader laughs every last one off.

Point is, if Vader goes down, he goes down in a blaze of glory trying to kill off the Council and inevitably failing (unless luck is on his side or he tries to outnumber them with Inquisitors as distractions).

@DEA: Like canon Vader and canon Skywalker, my Vader hates them with an undying fury. Attica is already near the top of Vader's list of candidacy for puppetry as a new Emperor if and when he decides to overthrow Sidious... killing off a bunch of Hutts and slavers would immediately place him at number one on that list.

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